Mailbag: All The Coach Dissatisfaction You Can Muster Comment Count

Brian

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I kid you not, GIS for "looting" and this guy in an off-brand Michigan jersey shows up

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Brian,

Let me know when I should start panicking. I am ready at your command.

Peter

Okay this is where I'm at. I've got a go bag ready. Passports, about 10k in cash, various fake mustaches and sunglasses. I'm up do date on all my vaccines. Are you up to date on your vaccines? I can be in Laos in 15 hours, never to be seen again. Rumors of the white tiger of the jungle will flourish. I will become known only in song and legend.

BUT: note that I am not already in Laos. I am sticking around to see what this season has in store, because weird things happen against Notre Dame and—and bear with me here—this game actually felt much less bad than some hammerings from last year. There are some obvious problems at cornerback and Gardner has to play better but when things went wrong it was mostly one thing going wrong, not eight. So it might get fixed. There is no reason to demand a coaching change right now. Let the season play out and see what happens. If Michigan does catch fire in the crappy Big Ten this game will be a footnote.

Meanwhile, there's no reason to assume a coaching change is coming unless you're literally 75% of my inbox…

A true Michigan Man keeps his promises about the Austro-Hungarian Empire circa July 1914.

Brian,

You may recall that I said I would never write to you about Michigan football again after the BW3 Bowl and my comparison of Michigan football to the Austro-Hungarian Empire circa July 1914.  Since the last part is still true, I won’t make this long.  But your entry today about coaching prospects caused me to think about my second school (the Syracuse Orange).

Here are a LOT of assumptions, but (a) assuming the tire fire rages, (b) Hoke is fired, (c) none of the few big names worth watching (i.e., Miles, the Harbros) is/are available, and (d) Syracuse goes 8-5 or better again this year with a mid to late-December victory, what about a guy like Scott Schafer?  He’s in his mid-40s.  He runs an attacking style defense.  He’s from the Midwest.  He favors an up-tempo offense.  He has to coach against Clemson, FSU, Louisville (and ND this year).  He picked up the pieces after Doug Marrone ran off to the NFL with half of his coaching staff last year.

Might he be someone to watch?  I know the experience as Rich Rod’s DC did not work out.  But given his success running the defense at SU (particularly following GROB), that seems like it was more an issue of Rodriguez trying to make him run a defense he didn’t want to run.  He left with grace and took the blame that may not have been 100% his.

Just a thought – I’m grasping at straws . . .

Dan G

UM ‘85

Syr. Law ‘88

I don't think Shafer has a track record to get excited about. He did improve the Syracuse defense upon his arrival but he hit a ceiling pretty quick. FEI rankings for his defenses at 'Cuse:

2009: 70th
2010: 38th
2011: 39th
2012: 39th
2013: 65th (as head coach)

In FEI there are a lot of schedule adjustments so 39th isn't nearly as good as it is in straight yardage rankings. Meanwhile he'd have two years of head coaching experience, the first a 7-6 season, and the second an 8-5 one. I liked Shafer and know for a fact he got a raw deal from Rodriguez's defensive assistants, and then Rodriguez himself. But even if you don't hold that against him his resume is thin.

He is a guy to track, since he is a poachable head coach not in the MAC. That he's worth tracking is a good summation of the available talent this year.

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I regret to inform you that you will not stop drinking.

I have to stop drinking. But it did help me come up with this half-baked gem of an idea.

There is no way this is possible, but I am going to choose to believe this to make myself feel better. Maybe Dave Brandon is gouging prices and focusing solely on the athletic department's bottom line for a reason. Money fixes things at times, and who is to say he is planning on firing Brady Hoke at the end of the year and luring someone back to Michigan. Maybe Harbaugh, maybe Les Miles. Sure they have great gigs right now, but if Dave Brandon called you and offered you some insane amount of money to come to Michigan, wouldn't you take it? 10-15 Million dollars a year? The crazy thing, I think Dave Brandon is just dumb enough to do it.

Alex

P.S. Aaron Wellman sucks too. Bring back Mike Barwis!

If that was the case, Brady Hoke would not have the contract he does right now, because he would not have earned it. He would be paid somewhere in the middle of Big Ten coaches instead of right at the top, thus giving Brandon even more financial muscle to put his meat on the table when the time comes.

The Occam's Razor explanation of the revenue drive is that Brandon has been CEO of a publicly traded company where nothing much matters other than the numbers you present quarterly.

PS: dude has a TV show he ain't never comin' back to any college.

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DESPERATE IDEAS FOR DESPERATE TIMES [Bryan Fuller]

You don't interim unless you have to interim.

Brian - why haven't I heard any talk of promoting Greg Mattison to HC?  Worst case scenario we get blown out by MSU and all the noise forces Brandon's hand.  I could see a scenario where interim HC turns into a full time position next year.  He's got the fire in his eyes that Hoke never had, and it seems to me he's a better choice than any other available candidates.  It would also help shore up the progress we've made without cleaning house and starting a new 2-3 year rebuilding cycle. 

I'm dreading the coaching carousel that ND went through before they hired Kelly.  He's close to retirement for sure, but it might be a nice icing on top of a successful career, before he hands over the reins to someone like Nussmeier. 

Plausible?
Keith 2004

Uh. Keith. My man. I don't want to be harsh, but cumong man. Voluntarily interim-ing yourself is nuts. You lose a coach, you paper him over with a GA, you torpedo your recruiting for the next three months*, and you rob yourself of the opportunity to not fire a guy in case there is a major turnaround.

The benefits are…? I guess you get started on a coaching search earlier but you can do that in private now. That's what coaching search firms exist for.

*[Even if you do change coaches having an interim situation is worse than the sudden firing. Most guys stick even after a change, because they're comfortable with the program and school.]

TEMPO BLAME

Hey Brian,
I'm wondering how much of the tempo blame we should assign to Hoke vs. Nussmeier. Obviously Hoke is the man in charge, but it's been said before that he allows his coordinators autonomy in play-calling and the like. It seems this would be especially true for offense, where he lacks personal experience.

If it's Nussmeier's decision to not press the tempo, is this perhaps because this is the players' first year in the system? When he pressed the tempo at Washington and Alabama, was he doing it with players in their first year?

Thanks,
beenplumb

Sheer confusion is a likely explanation for tempo issues, both on the part of Michigan's players and their coaches. A lot of the things that went wrong in this game can be filed under Dumb Stuff. Hell, two bubble screens got blown up because the outside receiver blocked the wrong guy. Michigan is still trying to figure out what to do in a new scheme and the OC is trying to figure out what he can call that will actually work.

It's not a very smart team right now for some legitimate reasons. When Michigan did speed them up they got an easy QB sneak conversion… and had a false start on the very next play. So, yeah.

A big chunk of this is on Hoke, though, for holding on to the increasingly outdated huddle. A team that lives at tempo and assumes a call from the sideline as they get aligned for the next play often has time to change the call twice before they snap it. More and more teams are ditching it; do not expect Michigan to join them this year.

BOX SCORE BLAME

You're making a lot of the box score looking pretty good, but I think it's misleading. In the first half the yardage was round 250 to 160 Notre Dame including 3 flawless drives. The fact that they had 18 yards in the 4th quarter while killing time says nice stuff about M's ability to stop the run when everyone knows it's coming, but not much more.

Hey man I'm just saying it's better than getting bombed for 600 yards like Oregon did that one time and better than getting –48 rushing yards like Michigan did last year against MSU. By defensive drive:

  1. First down and out.
  2. 80 yard TD drive
  3. 56 yard TD drive
  4. Three and out.
  5. 61 yard TD drive.
  6. Three and out.
  7. 0 yard FG drive.
  8. Three and out.
  9. Three and out. (That you should probably not consider.)

That's bad. It could have looked a lot better if Michigan had spread those yards out across more drives. And the problems seemed very localizable: Hollowell and Countess. They might not play those guys much when Peppers and Taylor get back.

The Fred Jackson question.

What exactly does Fred Jackson bring to the table? I only became a Michigan fan in 2006 when my (now) father-in-law gave me a few John Bacon books, particularly Bo's Lasting Lessons. I mention this because I didn't get to witness Mike Hart's development over his time at Michigan. Since then, it doesn't seem like a single RB has improved while at Michigan, whereas those that left (Cox, Rawls) have improved drastically. Between their inability to get the tough yards and horrendous blitz pickups, could the RBs be as much to blame for poor performance the past few years as the O-Line? And if so, why is Fred Jackson still employed?

Thanks,
Matya

The thing about Mike Hart is that he didn't really develop. Michigan found itself in desperate straights when David Underwood kept falling over when someone breathed on him and turned to Hart on the second game of his freshman season. Hart ripped off 120-some yards against SDSU in a fashion we would soon recognize as Hart-like, and was the same guy for the rest of his career.

Hart was kind of a running back genius, fully formed and eking the maximum production out of his somewhat limited physical capabilities from day one. Nobody got caught from behind more than Mike Hart.

Running back recruits since:

  • Mister Simpson was a camp commit who never panned out and transferred.
  • Kelvin Grady was a five star who was massively overrated. Got some short yardage carries, was passed over.
  • Brandon Minor was pretty good when healthy as a straight-ahead rageback.
  • Avery Horn was way overmatched and transferred after one year.
  • Sam McGuffie got concussed three times as a freshman, transferred to Rice, and had a decent career as a slot receiver.
  • Mike Cox, another camp commit, never saw any playing time despite his obvious physical gifts, transferred to UMass for his senior year, got drafted in the seventh round by the Giants, and had 43 carries as a rookie.
  • Mike Shaw saw some time, mostly bounced things to the sideline no matter what, and faded away.
  • Teric Jones never played.
  • Vincent Smith was a terrific blocker and feisty third down back and throwback screen merchant.
  • Fitzgerald Toussaint looked like a future star as a sophomore, got injured, was poor damn Toussaint as a junior, and then was flabbergastingly incompetent at pass blocking as a senior.
  • Austin White didn't make it to his first game.
  • Stephen Hopkins got moved to fullback and left.
  • Thomas Rawls didn't do much at Michigan, is currently at CMU, where he's their starter.
  • Justice Hayes, Derrick Green, De'Veon Smith, Wyatt Shallman, and Drake Johnson are currently on the roster.

That track record sucks. Minor was all right, Smith was a warrior and a useful piece (but given that he was from Pahokee almost certainly not a guy Jackson had much role in acquiring), and Toussaint had a negative career trajectory until he just about made an NFL roster. Everyone else was a bust except the guy who left for UMass and got drafted.

With Mike Hart and Ty Wheatley out there the chance that retiring Jackson hurts recruiting is slim; I don't think either could have a ten year(!) window nearly as bad as that.

Speaking of the current guys.

So a friend and I (both big U-M football fans) have grown disillusioned with Green as starting RB and we're not sold on Smith as the feature back. We were impressed with the few touches Hayes got.

We're wondering if there is any chance Hayes will get a serious crack at being the feature back this season? This seems like it should be increasingly likely considering the performance of Smith and Green against a real opponent last weekend, and the reality that the Drake Johnson hype appears to have been one big smoke screen from Fort Schembechler. Thoughts?

Thanks,
Jon Zemke

Hayes's two carries were a ten yard draw on third and twenty and a ten yard draw with 22 seconds left in the first half. On both of those ND was set up to allow the gain and Hayes gained what they were set up to allow. I don't think he made a huge case for himself.

I was frustrated with both backs. Each sabotaged drives by cutting away from massive holes. Some of that is attributable to scheme changes and youth and may get hammered out, but running back is a position where you usually have the instincts or not. Even if there's development to be had there, Jackson may not be the guy to provide it. And I did like Hayes's ability to pick through the gaps zone blocking provides during the spring game.

But for whatever reason he has never been in serious consideration for a primary job. I'd think he's at least worthy of a look if the main guys are going to give you the kind of production they did against ND.

Define optimistic.

I'm trying to be optimistic, but can we just admit that Brady Hoke is our very own Charlie Weiss?

No. Weis was way more unlikeable and had even less track record.

WHA HAPPEN

Brian,

In your podcast, you mentioned that you’d like to see a “Life on the Margins” about the Mich/ND game. Me too, as I didn’t feel particularly down on the play of any individual position group other than the DBs and Devin Gardner (but only slightly down). This was backed up by the box score, which I thought was totally bizarre. So I posted the following on Football Outsider’s OFI article:

I'd like some analysis of the ND/MICH box score. It's totally baffling. 4 turnovers will ordinarily prevent you from winning a game, but - as noted above - Michigan outgained ND in terms of total yardage and controlled TOP. Michigan had 18 first downs to ND's 20.

But even stranger, ND's stats are... pretty bad too. Michigan couldn't run the ball, but Notre Dame ran the ball even more poorly. Everett Golson looked great... until you realize that he averaged 6.6 YPA - only .7 YPA more than Gardner, who perceptibly looked completely terrible. And while the story of the game FELT like Notre Dame converting each and every third down, they were only a respectable 7/15.

Penalties weren't uneven either. Michigan had 5 penalties for 50 yards of loss, but Notre Dame also had 3 for 20. And there wasn't any special team yardage differential - kickoff returning yardage between the teams was identical, and Notre Dame only gained 26 total yards off all of their punt returns combined.

From the box score, this looks like a hard-fought ugly and close game. On the scoreboard, this looks like a laugher. What's the difference?

Brian Fremeau was kind enough to respond, and I think his post is very insightful:

Turnovers didn't play much of a part in the outcome. Michigan had four second half turnovers, but the Irish didn't score after either of the first two and only added a field goal to go up 31-0 after the third one. The game was basically already won before the turnovers started.

In non-garbage time, Michigan's average starting field position was its own 20-yard line, and they had zero drives start closer than 75 yards from the end zone. Notre Dame's average starting field position was its own 39-yard line in non-garbage time, and 7/9 non-garbage possessions started on a field shorter than 75 yards. In total, Notre Dame started its non-garbage possessions 254 yards closer to the end zone.

I think this point deserves more attention. I know it’s not sexy, but our field position game does suck and has sucked for a while. Hagerup is inconsistent and we rarely capitalize on returns. I appreciate any thoughts you may have, and feel free to discuss this on the blog with no attribution necessary if you feel it’s interesting/worthy of mention.

-A A Cascini

It is true that ND was impeccable on special teams and Michigan was… not. That is a major factor, though a big chunk of those non-garbage possession yards I assume are from those turnovers.

Comments

reshp1

September 10th, 2014 at 1:32 PM ^

I think the most likely situation is Countess and Lewis play and the scheme goes back to zone or some hybrid that takes benefits their respective strengths. We probably play less nickel, which again means more zone coverages. As much shit as "bend, don't break" got, it kept us in a lot of games. Up in your face is great when it works, but when the other guy starts eating your lunch, things go down hill very quickly, as we saw last week. We were essentially out of the game after one big quarter when Taylor went down and we didn't adjust quickly enough.

reshp1

September 10th, 2014 at 11:56 AM ^

Speaking of alternatives at RB, I'm really excited about Norfleet there. It seems like a guy with good acceleration that can fit through small holes and has enough small space quickness to make people miss is just what the doctor ordered. He's probably not an every down back, but having him in there here and there could be productive, he already seems to be the coach's preferred option for attacking the edge.

alum96

September 10th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

Speaking of position coaches, Coach Heck is excellent and we are starting to see that in Norfleet who finally is starting to show real progress once he got under an elite position coach.  Chesson was one of the bright spots Saturday night along with Funchess.  In fact if I listed 5 bright spots from Sarturday, 3 of them would be Funchess, Chesson, and Norfleet.

I will continue to say position coaching is the least appreciated and most underrated aspect of college football.  Coach Heck is our best position coach from these untrained eyes - all I can see is what is happening on the field - and not just this year but prior years (Gallon, Hemingway).  His players get better. Period.  I cannot vouch very positively for any other position coach we have - which is not a good testament to the state of the program. 

If a new coach shows up in 3 months I am not sure which position coach other than Heck and Manning (for recruiting) you can really make a case for retaining.  That is not good.

DY

September 10th, 2014 at 5:21 PM ^

Though he may fit through small holes I don't think he makes it through many. The problem with Norfleet is he is also highly susceptible to farts and high winds. It's not his fault, it just comes with the territory of being 170lbs when everyone else on defensive front seven is at least 50lbs heavier than him.

skurnie

September 10th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^

Incredible...I had the "Cumong Man" over/under set at 5 and only one. I'm not sure if that's selective question selecting by The Dear Leader or (doubtful) the lack of true panic in the emails received. 

TheFugitive

September 10th, 2014 at 12:03 PM ^

Brady Hoke seems just seems like Ed Orgeron to me.  Not really that great of a coach but he can recruit and the players sure seem to like him.  In Brady's first year, Michigan won 11 games and has steadily declined since.  When Ed was the interim coach at USC, they went 6-2 with a big win over #5 Stanford.  It was a good change of scenery from previous regimes and the players responded well in both cases but Ed wasn't the long term answer at USC and Brady may not be at Michigan either.  Neither guy had that much success at previous stops, especially Ed who only won 10 games in 3 seasons at Ole Miss (just 3 in conference play).  Maybe my thinking is way off here but that was a comparison that came to mind

mGrowOld

September 10th, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^

Bill Stewart is the guy I see more of Hoke in than Orgeron.  He took a Rich Rod team to a BCS win and then slowly went downhill from there.  Was likeable, universally LOVED by his players but generally thought to be over his head and a bit short on the coaching smarts when compared to his peers.

alum96

September 10th, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^

Sigh.  I made that comparison last year after the PSU game (or maybe it was UConn - who can remember the darkness that well).   Great recruiting classes, 1 really high point season on the field, and a lot of mediocre results otherwise.  I came into this year thinking he now has 2 pretty damn good coordinators so he could get away being a CEO type who recruits but it just doesn't seem to be coming together. 

Maize and Blue…

September 10th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^

IMHO the game has passed Mattison by.  He had a good year the first season but from all accounts those guys hadn't got much coaching before.  Its been a downward spiral since then. Couldn't hold on in late drives against PSU and Nebraska last year that resulted in losses and allowed Akron to drive down the field and got bailed out by a no call on possible PI the last play of the game. This year's D has been less then impressive despite returning almost everyone. 

 

PurpleStuff

September 10th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

His ND teams got repeatedly torched by Purdue when the concept of multiple receivers and WR screens first got introduced.  He was at ND for 8 years and they were mediocre the whole time.  Don't know why we expected things to be different here.

PurpleStuff

September 10th, 2014 at 1:31 PM ^

Meyer won 91% of his games at Utah without Mattison or Strong.  He's won 89% of his games at OSU without them.

Strong went 23-3 his last two seasons at Louisville and won a BCS bowl without Meyer or Mattison.

Florida went 31-8 with Mattison on board and 34-7 after he left.  I don't see any impact from Mattison's presence nor do I see those guys struggling at all without him.

Space Coyote

September 10th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^

His teams in Baltimore, when he was DC, averaged being the 4th best defense in the league (the year before they were 5th). Do I think he just decided that he wanted to leave the NFL to be a DC at Michigan? Not really, I don't think Baltimore really fought him leaving. But he also wasn't a shmuck you're making him out to be (2 years later, Baltimore would drop to 19th).

At Florida, he was the co-DC that lead a defense to giving up 18.8 ppg and 13.5 ppg in consecutive seasons before the draft badly depleted his roster. Charlie Strong is also a good DC? You don't say. But then why did Meyer feel the need to bring in a Co-DC to come along with the guy that was previously the Florida DC? Interestingly enough, Strong got his first DC gig after being a DL coach for Greg Mattison's Notre Dame defense.

Mattison isn't a life-saver. He isn't some miracle man. But he isn't a shmuck either. He's a damn fine College DC.

PurpleStuff

September 10th, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^

He's not a schmuck.  I'm thrilled.

I'm tired of the justifications.  It's year 4.  Rich Rodriguez would have had his house set on fire if he got a 4th year and lost 31-0 out the gate to an okay ND team missing a bunch of starters.  Just tell me what you think is going to happen in the near future for this program?  Then we can wager a crisp dollar bill on it and we'll see who is right.

Yo_Blue

September 10th, 2014 at 2:14 PM ^

His first year, the Ravens were one game from the Super Bowl. His second year they beat the Patriots in the first round of the playoffs and lost in the second. His third and final season saw a 12-4 record end with a loss to the Steelers in the playoffs.

Should we talk about his stint at Florida now or have you seen the light?

PurpleStuff

September 10th, 2014 at 2:20 PM ^

Baltimore had a good defense with Ray Lewis?  Just like they did with four other defensive coordinators (all of whom became NFL head coaches immediately after coaching Lewis).

Urban Meyer won games at Florida?  And kept winning them (at an even better clip) without Greg Mattison?  And won them at Utah before that and at OSU afterwards?

All of the success is attributable to other guys who have been great without Greg Mattison.  When he got to be in charge at all (as DC and recruiting coordinator) for an extended period of time at a comparable program, ND went 56-40 over an 8 year period.  Mediocrity defined.

But I guess you predicted we'd be ND's bitch 4 years ago, because the guy's such a genius and we're clearly on the right track.

claire

September 10th, 2014 at 12:12 PM ^

between the crazed demand for coaching change vs the calm rhetoric from 'the other side' and am feeling like a desperate Charles Marlow. Bailing out to Laos? How about a boat trip down a long river...

DC Johnny

September 10th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^

Bo's team beat at the time #5 Texas A&M 41-3, beat #5 Ohio, beat #15 Wisconsin (56-0!!) and finished 7-1 in the B1G. Who did they lose to?? They were ranked #1 in the nation before traveling to Minny and were shutout by unranked Gofers (0-19) ... a team that they beat the previous year by a score of 45-0 ... the moral of the story? shit happens ... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Michigan_Wolverines_football_team

MI Expat NY

September 10th, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^

When you look at the drive chart, you realize how much special teams hurt us.  In addition to the two missed Field Goals, short net punts set up two ND touchdown drives.  The first punt at the end of the first half had a net of 31 yards and set up ND at their own 44 with 1:24 left.  They scored the killer TD that must have really deflated the team at the half.  Change those three first half special teams plays and it's not unreasonable to go into the half trailing 14-6 or 17-6.  A far different game.  

The final TD was set up by a 29 yard net punt which forced ND to only go 61 yards for the TD that erased what little doubt was left.  

I don't recall the punts, but the box score says they travelled 43 yards and 38 yards respectively and were returned for 12 and 9 yards.  A punter isn't going to get a good one on every kick, but it's troubling that the shorter kicks could see pretty good returns.  When you put the punts in perspective of the entire game, you see how punt coverage is truly costing the team.

newtopos

September 10th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^

In my mind, the decision to avoid spread punting hurt us on Saturday, and has hurt us in general.  Moreover, it is purely a coaching issue.  You can't blame RR or youth or "execution."  Hoke's inability to articulate a defense of why he avoids spread punting (along the lines of they've alwyas done it the other way, if I recall correctly) was damning, in my opinion.  While some here have said that Hoke and the coaches must know more than 99.9% of us about spread punting and must have carefully considered why Michigan will not be using it, etc., the inability to articulate a defense of the decision at least calls that into question.

Also, our special teams coach is someone that, when Hoke hired him, (a) was a high school head coach, and (b) had not coached special teams on the collegiate level for nearly a decade. 

ak47

September 10th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^

One thing I don't see mentioned that I think might be the problem is that mattison was about to get run out of baltimore because his defense was too passive and ran a bend but don't break style.  That passivity let someone make a mistake in front of you has been how I have always seen mattison as a dc (as a ravens and michigan fan).  I'm not sure he is suited to calling a defense with tight bump and run coverage.  He wants to confuse an offense and make sure everything happens in front of the defense.  It felt to me like the db's backed off after the jourdan lewis pass interference plays but I don't have any desire to re watch that game to find out if that is accurate.

PurpleStuff

September 10th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

Every other defensive coordinator who got to coach Ray Lewis in Baltimore became an NFL head coach immediately afterward (Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan, Rex Ryan, and Chuck Pagano).  They didn't leave for the same job in college.  The same could be said about leaving Florida to be a position coach in the NFL.  Or being stripped of DC duties at ND but remaining on as recruiting coordinator (where he did a horrible job).

The guy is not an elite coach by any stretch of the imagination.  Don't know how the myth has persisted for so long around here.

reshp1

September 10th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^

Field position was important, but I think the one of the biggest factors was the manner in which ND scored in the 1st half. 3 straight TDs that happened in a flash, including one where UM punted the ball back with 1:35 figuring they wouldn't be able to score with no time outs. Once you go down 21-0, you have to change the way you play and we're not equipped to do that right now. Gardner started forcing things. The OL had to protect longer, and we had to become more one dimensional. All bad things. If we made one of those stops and one or both field goals and went into the half trailing by 1 or 2 possessions, it would have been a totally different ball game.

Whatever, no way of know. Time to move on.

Elwood

September 10th, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^

The only realistic coaching options are Todd Graham or an NFL head coach. Former NFL coaches usually do really well in college.

Still, it's way too early for this talk. We were breaking in a new offense and new defense. As a result, we got shredded by an accurate spread QB and a fast defense.

skegemogpoint

September 10th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^

Graham is a good choice.  But so too would be Paul Chrsyt at Pitt (if you like Wisconsin manball) or Kevin Wilson at IU (if you like NW/Okla/IU aerial, up-tempo spread).  I'm giving mgoboard options.  Good news is I think we could snag any of the the 3.  All of this assumes Harbros a no-go, of course.

@TheDanHagan

September 10th, 2014 at 3:41 PM ^

Kevin Wilson at this point is a poor man's Rich Rodriguez -  a spread guy who can't coach defense or beat good teams in the Big Ten with his offense. Rich Rodriguez had at least had winning seasons, BCS wins, and top to finishes as head coach at West Virginia, and has had winning seasons at Arizon in his first 2 years. Kevin Wilson hasn't even made it to a lower tier bowl game yet and the current Michigan team isn't made for the spread.

Todd Graham would also be a poor fit. The guy is a mercenary and not someone fans could rally behind. The jury is still out on Paul Chryst. Has done OK at Pitt but nothing to right home about.

Former_DC_Buck

September 10th, 2014 at 12:31 PM ^

Anyone else think it looks better than some of what Adidas has given you?  In the sake of fairness, I think we have had a couple that didn't look very good either and I loathed the camo helmets, thankfully that was a Spring Game thing. 

bronxblue

September 10th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

But honestly, this is just a bunch of gnashing of teeth before the next game.  Hoke isn't going anywhere right now, and like Brian noted there aren't a whole lot of good guys out there to come in even if he was.  

Jackson being replaced should have happened some time ago, but that feels like an institutional decision more than Hoke's right now.  Also, you've now got Manning doing real work recruiting, so perhaps that Fred Jackson flair isn't as essential anymore.

I really do think the ND game is a bit of an outlier.  It was basicaly everything going right for ND and little things going wrong for UM.  Move a couple of plays around (like ST3 did in the boxscore recap) and you might have a different outcome, or at least a closer game that would have made people far less cranky.

Finally, and this was an issue I had with Brian a bit from the podcast but others have voiced it as well, is the dismissal of solid player development on one end and unfair blaming of struggles on those same coaches on the other end.  I mean, people complain about Funk, Mattison, or Manning not being able to coach certian players to be successful, then ignore when guys make consistent leaps like Taylor and Lewis in the secondary, Bolden at LB, Clark and Henry on the line, Miller and Glasgow on the offensive line, etc.  I'm not saying the coaches are doing fantastic, but just as many players have become certifiable starters based on mediocre recruiting profiles as have flopped, yet everyone focuses on one and not the other.

Space Coyote

September 10th, 2014 at 2:29 PM ^

In a system that didn't really emphasize multiple TEs. Whereas Michigan had plenty of WRs on the roster and essentially no TEs. They needed TEs, they thought the found a TE (because he had the size) that would cause match-up issues for defenses. Like most incoming TEs, he struggled blocking. This is a surprise to no one, most colleges have to teach TEs how to block.

So clearly he should have been a WR immediately.

PurpleStuff

September 10th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

We moved Devin Gardner to WR that same year.  Lots of teams play without a TE.  Playing Nebraska without a backup QB didn't go so hot.  Funchess has had no problem creating "match-up issues" since moving to WR.  In fact, his production has skyrocketed, and it did so right away.

You continuing to justify dumb decisions because "the system said so" is beyond tiring.  Especially when we already fired the guy who came up with the system.  31-0 and Utah is coming to town.  When does the excuse making stop for this staff?

Space Coyote

September 10th, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^

So maybe that was why they moved him.

The system doesn't dictate everything, but there is also a need for a system. That's not an excuse, that's reality. You recruit for a system. You build for a system. But you're correct, Funchess just came right in without any coaching and creating match up problems, despite the coaching.

A real coach would play an OLB at WR, and then FS. Maybe Carson Butler is a DE despite three years as a productive TE.

I forgot when Pete Carrol took top 20 5-star WR Fred Davis and spent a whole year trying to make him a WR before moving him to TE. I forgot how 5-star Ryan Powdrell spent 3 years wasting away at LB before moving the FB.

See, there is a difference between seeing things as they really are (sometimes you try to recruit and fit your system, and it makes sense, even if it doesn't work out), and picking a few random bits of data to suit your argument while remaining completely hypocritical. This staff isn't perfect, but you keep pulling this BS out and acting like it makes it the only truth. Or maybe this staff sucks because they didn't get great things out of Stephen Hopkins and a guy who lead Ferris St in tackles and a 2nd team all-MEAC player as a SR.

PurpleStuff

September 10th, 2014 at 2:59 PM ^

Should have been 38-0.  Is that BS?  That's the truth right now.  Either you're cool with that or you're not, but the time for parsing details is over. 

If you think we're on the right track to being an elite program, fine.  I'll bet you a dollar that we aren't.  Helping you continue to practice your moot court argument skills is a complete waste of time at this point.

Space Coyote

September 10th, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^

No one is cool with 31-0. And yeah, that really happened, and it sucks. I don't know if this staff is going to make Michigna elite or not, but I'm not making BS arguments for why they will either.

MSU and Dantonio got curbstomped 37-6 (that 6 coming in the 4th quarter) to Iowa in his 4th year. They turned out alright.

Urban Meyer lost 31-3 to Alabama. Urban Meyer lost 31-6 (never scored a TD) to Alabama in his 6th year. Urban Meyer lost 31-7 to FSU in his 6th year. Good coaches lose. It happens. It sucks. It happens.

Nick Saban lost 41-9 to Florida. He lost 44-15 at home his second year. Nick Saban lost 26-8 @ VT, 31-7 @ Auburn, 31-0 @ Bama in his third year at LSU. Nick Saban lost 45-16 his fifth year at LSU. Good coaches lose. It happens. It sucks. Getting shut out sucks. But good coaches lose and lose big. It happens.