Mailbag! Comment Count

Brian

Brian:

What do you think about, in the wake of over half the student section not showing up for Northwestern), having a "first come-first served" system, to encourage students to show up early for games? Having half the student section, so-called the most "passionate" fans, not show up on senior day, even despite the conditions (they're 18!--if my dad can show up at 51, so can they), that was just embarrassing.

~Jordan

I can't blame large chunks of the student section for failing to show yesterday. Sorority girls just don't care. But, yeah, I think the student section's general tendency to show up halfway through the first quarter is annoying.

One man's attempt to revamp things:

Tickets should be limited general admission. Your ticket has a section on it and one of two sub-sections representing the top third of the stadium and bottom two thirds.

Michigan compiles the time your ticket was scanned every week and does seating priority based on that, not seniority. Rules:

  • You get 20 points for getting scanned 40 minutes before kickoff (warmups), 10 for 20 (band), and 5 for 5 (kickoff). You lose five points for being more than five minutes late, and you lose 20 for not getting scanned at all.
  • You get 20 points each for having season tickets for hockey and/or basketball. 
  • Validated tickets don't count for or against you, but anyone whose ticket is validated more than three times doesn't get tickets next year.
  • Your worst two scores are dropped.
  • Seating priority and priority for away game and bowl lotteries is based on the previous year's scores; seniors might get a bonus.
  • Anyone with a negative score isn't allowed to buy tickets.

This last one will never get implemented but anyone who's spent significant time in the student section would just love to boot those always drunk, always late, always early-departing, always annoying "fans" out.

This comes from an acquaintance of mine who lives in DC:

So, I'm out at Kokopoolis, this really cool (and not at all trendy) pool room at the south end of the Adams Morgan strip here in DC. We're just wrapping up our game when this dude comes over toward our table carrying a rack of balls. The following is not even close to verbatim, but it's as close as my alcohol-ravaged mind will ever get.

"You using this table?"

"Nope; all yours."

[Notices Michigan shirt (and, as other communications might indicate, I was wearing a Tigers hat too) , presses index finger to my chest] "You go to school there?"

"Yeah."

"You'll be real good. My old coach works there now. Few years, he-"

"Yeah, dude, 2010-2011 we'll be national title contenders."

"Yeah you will. My old coach, he works there now. He'll do good things."

"Who's that?"

"I used to play for West Virginia"

"Oh yeah? What'd you play?"

"Cornerback. I got this Fiesta Bowl ring right here."
[Flashes ridiculously huge Fiesta Bowl ring]

[stammers]"Uh, yeah, nice! Your name, sir?"

"Antonio Lewis."

"Very good to meet you."

[Shaking hands]

"You too, man. He's gonna be real good."

"Oh, I know, man."

So, besides being a wasted opportunity for me to ask some relevant, probing questions about the future of our program, and besides making myself look like a f---ing dicktard, this was a pretty nice experience of a WVU player saying unequivocally positive things about Rodriguez.

The Death Butterfly is going to be amazing.

I have nothing to add to this.

In the last mailbag, assistance in tracking down a video of Bo's "The Team" speech was asked for, but apparently there is no video. So says a man who was there:

Hi Brian,

In regards to you question about Bo’s speech, there is no video only audio.  The speech occurred at a full team meeting at the beginning of the 1983 campaign. He would often address us in this manner on Fridays before we got on the bus for the Campus Inn or to the airport.  I can tell you that this speech pales in comparison to speeches he gave to us on Saturdays in the locker room just before we hit the field.

Best regards,

Arthur Balourdos

Too bad. Side note: I'm pretty okay with the hype video they've installed as part of the pregame festivities, but does it not seem like an enormous missed opportunity that the above-mentioned speech doesn't feature prominently in it? I mean, if the thing ended with "the team, the team, the team" or "in the end it's going to be Michigan, again" you would have to put a roof on the stadium just so it could be blown off.

I get a fair share of questions from people more suspicious of Rodriguez than I am, and one guy asked a whole bunch so let's just tackle a bunch of protestations at once, shall we? These are from Tony Mlynarek:

Hi Brian,

I am a disgruntled and frustrated fan (will resume mgoblog reading, email groups, etc. after spring game). It's not the number of losses, it's the way we continue to lose. How much more maize n blue can we bleed this season?

I fault our offense and special teams in losing to Utah, Notre Dame, MSU, Toledo, and Northwestern. Since RichRod is the head coach, and directly oversees the offense and special teams, it would help if you (or better yet RR) [not likely! -ed] would answer these questions:

At what point do the coaches accept responsibility and coach the players to play well? Lack of execution has been the scapegoat for RR. Yet how do we expect our players to execute plays they actually cannot do? This has nothing to do with the spread vs. another scheme. Eg.-Why in the first half against NW would we ever call 2 pass plays on the goal line? Sheridan cannot throw downfield. Sheridan's strengths include handing the ball off, throwing a screen, and running for 2 more yards than Threet would on a keeper. Play calling has been an issue all season. Run Brown 3 times there and we get a touchdown instead of a blocked FG.

I find it very difficult to criticize any one play call, and given Michigan's redzone struggles against Minnesota the week previous "run three times = TD" is far from proven. Especially since we're talking about second and goal from the six. That's really a decision to throw on second down that didn't work out; third and goal from the six is a passing down.

More generally: it's not that I don't blame the coaches for a variety of things that have gone wrong this year. I just don't know. It is entirely possible that Scott Shafer found himself in over his head and cost Michigan a game or two or that Rodriguez's inability to reel in a quarterback last year cost Michigan dearly. It is possible Rodriguez is just exceptionally bad at transitioning programs.

It is also possible that the vast array of misfortunes to befall the program since Carr's retirement (transfers, injuries, etc) coupled with some dodgy recruiting and retention in the last few years would have condemned any coach to the same sort of nuclear waste dump of a season.

The things I think are long term trends are mostly encouraging: recruiting the hell out of Florida, running a bewildering array of run plays, playing to win, etc. The things I think are one-year flukes are mostly discouraging: fumbles, special-teams disasters (though at this point the special teams disasters are pretty much down to freshmen fumbling the ball), an inability to figure out who your best players are.

Speaking of…

Why did Sheridan ever start over Threet in September? It's obvious Threet is a better passer down field and has a better pocket presence.

This one I can't explain. It's not necessarily that Threet and his 5.5 YPA (woo!) is any better than Sheridan, it's that Threet has, at times, seemed marginally capable of developing into a decent Big Ten starter. Sheridan's always looked like a guy picked off the IM champions; when your five-yard hitch passes have ICBM trajectories your upside is... well, you have no upside. I guess Rodriguez thought that Sheridan was the better guy in practice.

This, I think, was an error. I don't think it will be one we see in the future.

Why did Shaw and McGuffie receive favoritism over Brown and Minor this year? It's obvious they fit his scheme more, and they weren't injured as often. However, if your veterans can only practice a few days out of the week, you still play them over freshman. Would Rod play White and Slaton even if they couldn't practice all week? Brown and Minor were never given the benefit of the doubt this year until the youngsters proved they can't get past a decent D-line.

I think this question is "why did McGuffie start for half a season?" Shaw's lingering groin issue limited him to a grand total of 11 carries before the Purdue game; he's actually seen more extensive use of late.

We all know why Brown didn't play: he was, as always, injured. Minor was also dinged up, though not to the extent that he couldn't see the field.

A hypothetically dinged Slaton or White is still Steve Slaton or Pat White, a guy Rich Rodriguez has extensive knowledge of. A dinged Carlos Brown or Brandon Minor is just a guy in pads you've never seen practice full strength. And then when you throw Minor out there, he fumbles something like five times in his first fifteen carries.

Coaches need some time to figure out what their players can and cannot do. Even Mike Hart languished on the bench for the first couple games of his career, and he was a healthy guy playing behind David Underwood.

What was the extent of Threet's injuries prior to NW game? If he can't go now against O-state, why did we risk playing him on a short week of practice vs. NW?

Threet's injury that kept him out of the Minnesota and (most of) the Northwestern game was a concussion. With Threet playing poorly before that and Sheridan having turned in a pretty good game against Minnesota, I can see the decision to go with him, especially if Threet had missed a lot of practice time. And then you play him because you're down a touchdown and you're 3-8 and maybe if you can scrape a drive together you can win. The injury that knocked Threet out of the Northwestern game is a separated shoulder; he didn't aggravate a pre-existing condition.

In a similar vein:

I am continually surprised on the message boards by the amount of people saying that RR should be fired, which I think most people think is (at least) a bit reactionary and premature.  What would we really be accomplishing by his firing?

However, in coming to his defense, many people seem to be of the opinion that any criticism of the coach at all is somehow not supporting the team.  I am not referring to the now tired "booing" issue- I mean at all- on message boards, in the newspapers, etc. 

I don't see how some criticism of RR is somehow exclusive of supporting RR.  I don't think it's so far out to say that RR is not having a good season.  Losing to 2-8 Toledo was pretty bad.  But while I am willing to criticize- and quite fairly, in my opinion- RR for things like the loss to Toledo, I don't think he should be fired.

Has the trauma of this season caused people to think that "support" and "criticize" are mutually exclusive?  Carr got criticized all the time- hell, I criticized Carr when we lost and I thought the coaching was at fault, but that didn't mean I didn't support the team or hated the coach. 

Why do so many people seem to think that supporting RR means giving him a free pass for the season?  I think most people were ready for a down year.  I wouldn't have been over the moon, but I think I could have squared with this season if we had beaten Toledo and Purdue.  But all the streaks coming to an end is important and depressing. 
But isn't it fair to criticize RR for things he has done wrong this year while falling short of the extreme (and wrong) opinion that he should be fired?

Jack Simms

I dislike the way these things get framed online; people mostly end up arguing at strawmen, and in doing so memes get born. I scan a lot of message boards and haven't ever seen someone defending Rodriguez use the words "free pass."

And what does that even mean in that context? As best I can tell, it means that the person supporting Rodriguez doesn't think the timetable where we can talk about firing him has been accelerated. There are two main camps of thought out there:

  1. This season puts Rodriguez on the hot seat starting in 2010, at which point he must deliver or bust.
  2. Sweet Jesus, this thing is going to take some time to put back together; we should be patient, which means five years.

I am obviously in camp two. Anyone in camp one should know they're rooming with Drew Sharp.

As far as the criticisms… I mean, sure, you can advocate patience and still think Scott Shafer was a mistake. The main problem with arguing on the internet (and, actually, everywhere) is excessive certainty. You can't say "this guy needs to go!" after one year. You can't declare this season to be definitively Rodriguez's fault, and you should wait for more data.

Comments

Michigan Arrogance

November 17th, 2008 at 3:29 PM ^

"Why did Sheridan ever start over Threet in September?" you can see it in the bubble screens. Sheridan is money on the bubble screens... good timing, good pace of the throw, accurate and fairly consistent. certainly better than Threet has been on these (backward latteral, ball at feet, TACOPANTS!, etc.). In addition, the read option seems to be a wash between the two in terms of decision making ability (keep or don't). The other thing w/ the read option is the quickness/elusiveness and speed that Sheridan has and threet doesn't. so yeah, Threet is a better down field passer but Sheridan does the bubble screen waaaay better and can get you a few more yards on the read option than Threet can get you.

JeremyB

November 17th, 2008 at 3:49 PM ^

Just about anything would make the end of that pregame video better. It's so great up to that point, but incredibly deflating by the end. They couldn't come up with anything better than than the lame adoption of the "we are [name of school]" meme followed by the factually correct and not at all inspiring "I coach for Michigan?"

medals

November 17th, 2008 at 5:09 PM ^

Maybe there could be a mini-course (1 credit?) set up and the goal of the course is to produce promotional videos, etc. for football and basketball games. Maybe make it a clinic in conjunction with the BigTen network to provide content to the station (and maybe then I wouldn't have to watch the stupid "coach in the livingroom" commerical 400 times in the course of a season). I could see a course like that cross-listed in Communications, History, Art, Engineering, Music, etc. Get a good mix of talent campus-wide to make something watch-able. I would have signed up for a class like that in a heartbeat (and would have probably put in way more time for that class than any other . . .).

MileHighWolverine

November 17th, 2008 at 4:11 PM ^

On the one hand I completely agree that it is waaaaaay too soon to be ripping the coaches. Especially considering the improvements we’ve made on offense given the lack of talent/experience we currently have on that side of the ball. I think the Oline and running game have really made strides and unfortunately our passing game has topped out with our current stable of QB’s (which is understandable since both are in over their heads). Having said that, I reserve the right to criticize RRod for the one HUGE mistake he made amongst a bevy of little mistakes. Firing Ron English was a colossal mistake, not just for this season but future seasons as well. English orchestrated some pretty intimidating and bad ass defenses over his tenure and was responsible for dramatic improvements after the year of infinite sadness (which should probably be renamed given our current season). He was also a strong recruiter and was finally bringing back some good talent to the secondary (see: D Warren). I think he could have been the difference between a 3-9 season and a 6-6 season which is what makes this even more frustrating (not that 6-6 is great but right now I would take it). RRod had to know the offense was going to be terrible seeing how we lost almost every competent/experienced position player we had and he let go of the ONLY guy who actually knew the players we had in our lone area of strength. I understand wanting guys you hand pick to run the show but I think he made that decision more out of fear than anything else. Ron English was the ONLY coach on Carr’s staff who could have legitimately contended for the head coaching spot one day. I think RRod knew that English could potentially be in line to replace him if he failed and he decided to let him go. This is fairly standard operating procedure for most new CEO’s in any company but in this instance it seemed really short sighted. I think with English at the helm we don’t lose to Purdue, State and NW. Of course this is all hindsight so we are left with some questions: 1. Could English really have made a difference with our mediocre LB’s and terrible DB’s? 2. Are an additional 3 wins that big a deal that we should begrudge RRod for enacting sweeping changes? I say yes to both.

mstier

November 17th, 2008 at 5:23 PM ^

Remember that vaunted defense? Yeah, did well against OSU. Remember that NC team last year? They gave up 30+ to Appy State and then the following week to Oregon. English was not a bad DC, but don't assume he didn't have his flaws. Also, his great recruiting hasn't really panned out. I don't know how Carr recruited, and how much of a say English would have had, but we are desparately thin at LB and safety. English could have had a part in that. Also, the development of the current players is mostly at this point on English and the older DCs. I would say by next season, we can start blaming Shafer and co. if the players still can't tackle and such. But at this point, its on English. That said, I don't see a single reason to keep him. Anyway, he hasn't really done all that well at Louisville. In fact, the fewest points they've given up on defense this year has be 24. Great coordinator eh?

MileHighWolverine

November 17th, 2008 at 5:55 PM ^

I don't assume he didn't have his flaws. I am only saying he would have been better this year (and potentially down the road) than Shafer. Maybe I am mistaken but I don't think he has had a full cycle yet with any one team meaning he has always had to deal with someone else's recruits. I think he deserved a chance to be the HBIC of a defensive unit for more than 2 years to see what he could under his own command. I'll give you the development part of your argument but I still think he would have been better suited to lead this years defense than Shafer.

mstier

November 17th, 2008 at 9:22 PM ^

Shafer hasn't ever really had a chance to have "his" recruits either. You may be right that he could have done marginally better this year becuase he knew what he was dealing with. That is an unfortunate part of new coaches--they just don't know the players and their tendencies well. It takes a while to figure that out. Still, to think English is a better DC is quite a stretch. We are basing Shafer on his current first season at UM. Let's look at how many points other teams have scored on English during his first year at Louisville: Kentucky - 27 Tennessee Tech - 10 (sorry missed this one on my earlier post) Kansas State - 29 Connecticut - 26 Memphis - 28 Middle Tennessee State - 23 USF - 20 Syracuse - 28 Pittsburgh - 41 Cincinnati - 28 That's not AWEFUL, but it sure isn't great especially against bottom tier schools for the most part. Personally, I think English is better than this first year record might show. I think the same thing is true with Shafer. Give it some time.

West Texas Blue

November 17th, 2008 at 5:13 PM ^

Ha, people keep throwing out years like 2010 or 2011 when we'll be contending for big stuff again; for me, that's a freaking long ways away. The D apparently needs time to rebuild because of poor talent development, lack of depth, and bad recruiting, but are we really going to have wait 3-4 years for this offense to be up and fully running on all cylinders? It's easy to say "wait for a few years" but it's not. It seems like an eternity.

Durham Blue

November 17th, 2008 at 7:08 PM ^

before we can sniff a B10 title? I hope not. Not in this suck ass B10. I know D wins championships, but barring major recruiting and injury catastrophes, the offense should be decent by 2009 and good enough by 2010 to at least put a scare into the B10. We can't be this bad for THAT much longer.

caup

November 17th, 2008 at 5:04 PM ^

Yeah, English did a GREAT job against Appalachian State. We only allowed 34 points! Followed that up with a GEM against Oregon. Woo! And in 2006, OSU only torched us for 42 points. The 2007 Rose Bowl was another brilliant performance by our defense. Made Booty look like Johnny-fucking-Unitas. Feel the Violence! pfft. whatever.

MileHighWolverine

November 17th, 2008 at 6:06 PM ^

Let's not forget that Troy Smith won the Heisman that year and that Dixon was well on his way to the Heisman and probably a shot at the MNC until his knee gave up on him. Against USC we gave up 28 points which is hardly embarrassing given what they are capable of. I cannot explain or defend App State other than we didn’t prepare (which is inexcusable) and that UofM has always had tremendous problems against the spread going back 10+ years (see: McNabb and Syracuse). And again. . .the argument is that he would have been better than SHAFER not that he was the best DC we’ve ever had. Our defense was pretty awful the year before he took over and a monster the 1st year he was given control. Some of that improvement was because of him.

caup

November 17th, 2008 at 5:22 PM ^

Yes, yes, a thousand times, yes! Getting those vintage Bo excerpts at the end of that hype video MUST HAPPEN. It would send chills down the spine of every fan over the age of 25. Followed by a barbarian YAWP from the crowd! Who do we need to talk to!?!?!?

Yostal

November 17th, 2008 at 5:37 PM ^

[email protected] works. How do I know? Did anyone else notice the Manningham touchdown was back this week in place of the Thompson touchdown rumble from this season? I requested that, pleading that they were tempting fate and that it was 0-3 since they altered the video. I thought it would work. So I emailed them and I got a very nice note back from the Athletic Department letting me know that they were working on it and sure enough, there it was this week. So what's my point here? Be polite, be respectful, make your case for why, and let them know you appreciate what has been done, you're looking to go from good to great. You just might be surprised.

Wolverine318

November 17th, 2008 at 9:31 PM ^

I wrote a two page letter to Marty Bodnar when they tried to place grad students at the lowest priority regardless of how many credits you have and number of years of being a season ticket holder. I also wrote the letter to complain about the ban on partner tickets. The grad student priorities were changed back, but they kept the partner ticket ban. Oh well. Also doesn't hurt there was a grad student protest at the Athletic department...

Dana

November 17th, 2008 at 6:41 PM ^

I've largely stayed away this season since I don't want to be too much of a hair-puller. But I have a couple comments after reading this. 1) I'll admit that as an Irish fan I've taken some pleasure in this season for UM. Especially after my UM friends, laughing at ND's season last year, kept telling me that it could never happen at UM. That said, I'd much rather have your 3-9 season than mine. New coach/new system vs. 4th year coach, etc. 2) I'm always surprised to see all the empty seats in the big house student section when the weather is bad. Reason #732 why ND is better than UM: 99% of our student body attends games. From start to finish. This does not change based on the weather. Your student body is passionate, but cannot compare to ND's.

ShockFX

November 17th, 2008 at 10:51 PM ^

"2) I'm always surprised to see all the empty seats in the big house student section when the weather is bad. Reason #732 why ND is better than UM: 99% of our student body attends games. From start to finish. This does not change based on the weather. Your student body is passionate, but cannot compare to ND's." Shouldn't you be rising again or something?

1M1Ucla

November 17th, 2008 at 6:46 PM ^

I'm signing on to Brian's #2 and to MileHigh's thought process -- I was hoping English would be retained as well, tho I don't really know why. I have had a hard time all year understanding the licks people are taking on RichRod and staff. The reality I keep in mind is this: rookie qb's x 2.1, rookies at LT, LG, C, RG, TE (due to continued fail from upperclassmen -- no change in that 08 over 07), slot, RB (injuries to GOOD upperclassmen) on O. Versus an ALY (average Lloyd year), this is about a -7 -- on average, a Lloyd team on O could expect 2, maybe 3 of those things happening. On special teams, rookies at KR. Versus an ALY, that's a -1, partially by choice for a bias toward game-breakers, partially by graduation -- no Stevie B, or A-Train for that matter. On D, that is the biggest conundrum, but with safety play (other than Harrison), odd corner coverage scheme choices, 2 of 3 linebackers below M standards, odd decisions on line sets, versus an ALY that is about a - 6 (with -3 being coaching).

If the D were a push versus an ALY, M would still be looking at even or worse on the overall record. There is a lot of parity and the differences happen at the margins -- look at the number of teams that have oscillated between 4-8 and 8-4 in the last 5-8 years. Look at Wisconsin! Add in a tough schedule (Utah gone up rankings, Miami has done well, ND has escaped complete suck, W (well...), Sparty #21, top of Big 10, Iowa has gone up, @ #3 PSU, NU is better than they've been in about 8 years, @ #11 Shoe-sters) -- Geez, that's even a bigger load than thought at start of season.

As I said, the conundrum is the D -- some strange choices, but perhaps understandable when the defect is in linebacking and safety play -- coverage probably biased by need to support tackling against running qb's, giving up a lot of throwing.

Anyway, wait tlll next year!

maizenblue311

November 17th, 2008 at 7:50 PM ^

OK, I have been a Michigan fan since the ripe-old age of 11...and I am now 28. I have loved every second of Michigan football until this year. I thought that a few years ago when the team went 7-5, that was the worst that I was ever going to witness in my lifetime. That was until this year. I was all for Rich Rodriguez (although I would have prefered Les Miles), but THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. Being 3-8 heading into the Ohio State game is just totally unacceptable. Michigan is not a program that has up and down years...every once in a blue moon they put together a 7-5 season, but the very next year they are in the top 15 and ready to compete! I just can't believe they didn't think about this more before going with RR. The second point I wanted to make was about the hiring of RR. There has to be some sort of process as where the AD asks the question during the interview, "what do you know about the UM-OSU rivalry and what do you plan to do to keep the rivalry alive and bring the shift in power back to Michigan?" I don't believe that this question was ever asked to RR...when he talkes about the game, it just seems like it is another game to him. Does he not unstand that there is only 1 game each year that TRULY matters...and that game is OSU? This isn't just another game...this is life for Michigan! I'm not sure that he will ever have the mentallity and shear determination to destroy OSU...which was evident from when he was introduced in Crisler Arena and continues to be evident in his interviews. I am just an outraged fan who has truly lost sleep and who is totally consumed by what has become of his beloved Wolveries...we are not the Hurricanes, Florida State, or even Notre Dame! We don't fall off the map, not even for a year! It is truly too Great, to be a WOLVERINE!

Chrisgocomment

November 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 AM ^

What gives you that idea? Rational people don't post RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE on several different threads without any sense of the discourse. I was simply pointing this out. I don't recall being a dick to you, specifically, or to most people on MGo for that matter.. Perhaps you're confused.

mstier

November 17th, 2008 at 9:35 PM ^

To all people feeling this right now becauase they lack brain cells: FUCK YOU! Someone had to say it. Why do you feel that UM is so entitled to being good? We joke about USC being the University of Spoiled Children and how we are so "classy" compared to OSU and MSU. But you know what I see? I see a bunch of snobby, fair weathered fans who bitch and moan for shits and giggles. Of course, people like you always preface their drivel with: "well I support RR in the long run, but..." So basically, you will support RR when we start competing for Big Ten Titles and BCS bowls. You're right though, he doesn't care about the rivalry. He isn't a "Michigan Man". You know who else aren't very big "Michigan Men"? How about half the stadium which walked out on this team. I don't care if you were cold. I don't care what the score was. If you're argument is about needing a Michigan Man, then you sure as hell better pull your weight too. Quit being an arrogant son of a bitch, and have a good evening.

STW P. Brabbs

November 18th, 2008 at 8:37 AM ^

I cringed when I saw maizenblue's post because a) it was really fucking dumb and b) I knew a post like this was coming in response. Chitowns's comment is all you need at this point. This territory has been covered, and when you dip into "actually, contrary to your arrogant assertion of our wicked awesomeness, our program/fan base kinda sucks, when you think about it!" it's almost as annoying as the original post. In short, I find the excessively negative portions of your post UNACCEPTABLE! This is a MICHIGAN BLOG! (I do like the part where you call those who stayed away or left early because it was cold pussies, but I'm not sure how many of them are MGoBlog readers.)

slaunius

November 17th, 2008 at 7:53 PM ^

As someone who has spent "significant time in the student section" (I'm a junior who's never missed a game or left early)I have to say that some of the ideas for getting us there early would probably do more harm than good. While I've often been annoyed by many of the students at games (Example: I was kicked out of the 3rd row at the Wisconsin game by a group of sorority girls who showed up with 5 minutes left in the SECOND QUARTER), I think these would take it way too far. First of all, should it really be held against me that I would rather stay at my tailgate a little longer than watch players warmup? And as far as not allowing season tickets for getting too many validations, that would disenfranchise a lot the wrong people. Many of the people getting multiple validations per season are those with university commitments, such as athletes, or people in various student orgs (the mock trial team, for instance). If this takes them out of Ann Arbor more than three weekends a semester, should they really be denied tickets for getting validations? I'm all about the general admission idea, and would really like to see something done about the fact that I'm often seated 40 rows behind groups of drunks who don't know who Charles Woodson is, but I think a convoluted points system would just make things even more frustrating.

drexel

November 17th, 2008 at 8:18 PM ^

On 2nd down we ran play action. The fake wasn't sold very well and nobody bit on it. On third down the play unfolded exactly how it was supposed to, and Sheridan made a good throw. Stonum rounded his slant cut and did not accelerate out of his break. This allowed the DB to jump the route. It was a actually a very good play call and would have been a touchdown had Stonum made a play.

MGoAndy

November 17th, 2008 at 8:18 PM ^

I like the student ticket policy ideas. The size of the student section may decrease, though. I've showed up to every game this year at least an hour early, after plenty of tail-gating, and I haven't left a game early. I think I deserve better seats than the douchebags who don't come until the end of the first quarter who sit 40 rows below me. Black belt!

wile_e8

November 18th, 2008 at 12:55 PM ^

I sat in the MSU student section a few times back when I was in school, and I liked the way they did it (although this was back in 2003, so it may have changed). They have booths by the entrances in front of the student section where they exchange the seatless tickets they have to get in for stubs with seat numbers on them. Go to the booth of the section you want to sit in, and they give you the closest seat in that section. Show up early and get a good seat, show up late and sit up top. Of course, this does have its drawbacks, like lines forming well before the gates open for good seats to the big games. So you'd get a poor (or at least not great) seat if you wanted to tailgate until the band is on the field/just before kickoff, but at least people who could really care less about the game won't get the good seats.

Wolverine318

November 17th, 2008 at 9:23 PM ^

As a graduate student at the University of Michigan who is married, I used to be able to buy partner football season tickets for my wife until this season. My wife is not a University of Michigan, but takes a single class at Eastern to get her music therapy certification, while being in a Michigan professional music sorority (Eastern does not have a chapter). In the past four year she has yet to attend a single Eastern sporting event but numerous Michigan events with me (almost every Michigan football game for the past four seasons, and approaching 50+ hockey games we have season tickets for hockey since hockey allows for partner tickets). To circumvent the recent ban on partner tickets, we have a fellow grad student in my research lab buy a season ticket for her. Since she doesn't have a UofM idea we have to get the tickets validated. Just because some gets tickets validated doesn't mean they should lose their tickets. I understand that you are under some delusion that validated tickets somehow end up in enemy hands. That belief couldn't be more false. When I look in a full student section (Wisky, MSU, and Illini games), the number of enemy infiltrations into the student section are a minimum compared to the other sections. More often than not I am willing to guess that 90% of the validated tickets end up M fan hands. Also by taking away validated tickets you will be taking our source of tickets for my wife who is diehard Michigan fan.

Jota09

November 17th, 2008 at 9:34 PM ^

I was hoping to email Brian but I never set up my email to outlook. I'm pretty lazy and don't wanna do it now, so he or someone else could give me his email address that would be cool. Or if that is too much, he can email me at [email protected] Muchas gracias. Brandon Stevenson

DrDetroit

November 18th, 2008 at 8:05 AM ^

Some people are saying RR should be on the hot seat in 2010, Brian thinking he needs until 2012. I actually think this team will improve next year with the addition of Forcier and Beaver. Right now I blame all of the losses on the QB. Better QB performance would help the defense a ton. Getting a few first downs instead of the massive 3 and outs rests the defense but more importantly reduces the number of series the other teams offense has. The Penn State game is the best example. In the 2nd quarter 3 straight 3 and outs allowed the PSU score right before the half. One first down prevents Penn State from scoring. In the 2nd half, basically no first downs allowed the 80 yard screen play. One first down in the 4th quarter prevents that. Also, a more mobile QB might not get sacked for a safety. So a Forcier/Beaver QB would probably take 16 points off the board for Penn State. That would also most likely mean wins against Toledo, Utah, and NW. So I'm betting on a big improvement for Michigan next year.

caup

November 18th, 2008 at 10:42 AM ^

You are missing the most vital stat in your little comparison between the two student bodies: ND has baout 7,000 students. UM has about 30,000 students. So, I'll tellya what, Skippy, let Michigan pick their best, most rabid 7,000 students and then we'll compare the two, hmmm?? Get your facts straight before spouting off.