Looking Internally In The Aftermath Of MSU Comment Count

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In the wake of... all that at Michigan State I thought it might be apropos to survey Michigan's own house, looking for warning signs. In part this is because I think there is a major one. To me, there are four major components that lead to something as callous as Michigan State's athletic department: a commitment to secrecy, an incestuous power structure, leaders who don't care about anything but the bottom line, and the ability to subvert outside checks on your behavior.

Point by point:

Pattern of DGAF discipline because you only care about the bottom line

Brandon Graham : Glenn Winston :: Winston : EL citizens

Mark Dantonio established a long time ago that he more or less doesn't care if you, football player, do something bad. Delton Williams pulled a gun in a road rage incident and served jail time. He was immediately reinstated. MacGarrett Kings was arrested for "super drunk" DUI and got a zero game suspension. MacGarrett Kings was arrested for kicking a parking enforcement truck and resisting arrest, still got a zero game suspension. Glenn Winston broke a hockey player's jaw with a sucker punch, served six months in jail, and was immediately reinstated. LJ Scott was arrested seven times for driving on a suspended license without reaction. Auston Robertson was admitted as a recruit after multiple high school assaults, one sexual, and proceeded to commit a sexual assault while in college. He didn't so much leave the team as go on the lam.  Chris L Rucker was jailed for eight days during the 2010 season after a DUI violated his probation and played the weekend after his release.

And, of course, there was that probation. Rucker was on probation because even the Ingham County prosecutor's office—about which more in a second—couldn't make surveillance tape from a dorm brawl go away. That brawl was spearheaded by one Glenn Winston:

The fight took place during a potluck function sponsored by the Iota Phi Theta fraternity, hours after Michigan State's team banquet. Winston reportedly had been in an altercation the previous night at a party thrown by the same fraternity at an East Lansing nightspot. An unnamed Michigan State player was charged with public urination and possession of alcohol by a minor outside the Small Planet nightclub.

Dell's father told the Detroit Free Press that Winston informed his teammates about the altercation, and they agreed to follow him to the potluck the next night.

Winston was finally removed from the team, as well as one other of the twenty Michigan State players who decided it would be a good idea to rumble with the Jets.

It was only last year that the 16 sexual assaults Dantonio has overseen during his time at Michigan State were public enough, and the outside heat turned up enough, that Donnie Corley, Josh King, and Demetric Vance were probed, arrested, and booted. Even there Dantonio's hands were tied by the fact that their prison sentences are likely to extend past their eligibility.

Tom Izzo, meanwhile, kept Keith Appling, a man local police wanted to charge for rape, on the team for four years. He was not even suspended.

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i know what this press conference isn't about [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

So. There's that. Michigan does not show the same proclivities, mostly. We have no idea what John Beilein's discipline policy is like because—except for Mitch McGary testing positive for pot at the NCAA tournament—literally none of his players have ever been in trouble. Laval Lucas-Perry was dismissed for violating team rules but there appears to be no legal reason.

Under Harbaugh, the only thing approximating lax discipline has been Grant Perry's three-game suspension in the aftermath of an incident outside an East Lansing bar. That resulted in probation and a diversionary plea deal; it cost Perry a quarter of a season. Other incidents under Harbaugh have been met with summary execution. C'sonte York, Logan Tuley-Tillman, and Nate Johnson were all immediately booted for incidents that would have been met with zero game suspensions from Dantonio.

I mean this literally. York sucker punched a guy, which is the same offense Winston committed minus the broken jaw and six months in jail. Tuley-Tillman was convicted of taping consensual sex and sending it from her phone to his; his conviction was also diverted. Nate Johnson was sentenced to four days in jail and probation for a domestic violence incident. That number of days in jail doesn't even warrant a weekend suspension at MSU.

Pre-Harbaugh Michigan did have Brendan Gibbons. Gibbons was not charged as a freshman when his incident occurred, but he should have been booted anyway. "Woman you have sex with does rape kit immediately afterwards" isn't a convictable offense in the court of law but should be disqualifying for a Michigan athlete.

More disturbing is Taylor Lewan's behavior in the aftermath. For the record, Lewan denies that he said this:

The alleged victim also accused Lewan, a longtime teammate of Gibbons with the Wolverines, of then threatening her if she pursued charges -- "I'm going to rape her because, [Gibbons] didn't."

I don't believe him. I don't believe him because there is a UM police report on the incident with a specific and believable account of this interaction. Maybe the exact phrasing involved is incorrect but the overall thrust of the interaction is clear: an attempt to intimidate this woman. That should have gotten him suspended, but it's clear from the way the Gibbons situation played out that Brady Hoke was a neanderthal in this department.

That had to change. External indicators seem to indicate that it has. For what it's worth, the whisper network had outed Gibbons just as thoroughly as it had outed Keith Appling and Adriean Payne before ESPN finally put their names and acts into print, and I haven't heard anything similar since.

Subversion of local prosecutor's office

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The East Lansing police department recommended prosecution for Keith Appling and Adriean Payne after Payne essentially confessed in a police interview. No charges were brought for an astounding quid pro quo:

Schaner says campus police investigators told her that, because of Payne's police interview, they had a solid case to pursue. Once the case was forwarded from police to Ingham County prosecutors, Schaner was interviewed by an assistant prosecutor, Debra Rousseau Martinez. Schaner says Martinez told her she did not seem strong enough to stand up to questioning that would come as a result of making allegations against MSU basketball players.

No charges were filed in the case. The assistant prosecutor, Martinez, now works for Michigan State's Title IX office. She declined to comment on Schaner's case.

Meanwhile the Ingham County DA for the large majority of the timeframe covered here was Stuart Dunnings III, who eventually went to jail for a bundle of charges including soliciting prostitutes and, more relevant for this post, subverting the justice system repeatedly when favored people were caught up in it. Just a couple of the litany of offenses:

In August 2012, charges were inexplicably dropped in a drug paraphernalia case. When an investigator interviewed the person who dropped the charges — likely an assistant prosecutor, whose identity was redacted from the report — the person told the detective she doesn’t know why she dismissed the case and “she would’ve documented if someone had contacted her requesting she dismiss the charges.”

In November 2013, a woman arrested on a domestic violence charge claimed to know Dunnings personally and said she should be released immediately, a jail staffer told investigators. Dunnings called the jail and said he wanted the woman released into his custody. Though “the staff thought it strange that the prosecutor was getting personally involved in this case,” investigators found at least eight women had been released from the jail in 2015 “at the request of the prosecutor or the prosecutor’s office.” The Sheriff’s Office oversees the jail.

If Dunnings was willing to spring prostitutes from jail because he knew them, a call from Izzo or Dantonio only has one outcome. The woman assaulted by Travis Walton, who picked up a bizarre littering charge instead of the original assault charge, states the obvious:

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If Grant Perry played for MSU he would have gotten a littering charge, because it's hard to tell whether the Ingham County prosectuor's office is more incompetent or corrupt. This is Dunnings's replacement:

“You put all of these together after what we now know and they look like flags, but at the time … (it) was inappropriate, but did it rise to the level of knowledge of a criminal activity? No,” said Whitmer, who was appointed to serve the last six months of Dunnings’ term. She noted in a Friday interview that she was not privy to the investigation during her review of the prosecutor’s office.

This is a dude in jail.

Wriggelsworth said Friday that it wasn’t until this investigation that his office had anything solid — or even wrote an official report.

But the prosecutor’s activities were so widely known, in fact, that an inmate laughed when he saw Dunnings being led down a hall in the county jail in cuffs in March.

“Everyone knows” Dunnings had been involved with prostitutes “for years,” the inmate said, according to the records. “Damn, the man finally got caught up.”

Either the dude in jail is the smartest guy in the building or the cover your ass attitude didn't end with Dunnings.

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This does not appear to be the case in Ann Arbor. Even if Nate Johnson and Logan Tuley-Tillman aren't the best examples because both had been booted from the team as soon as their offenses had become known, they were still charged appropriately. Going a bit further back in time, Will Campbell was charged with a felony for this extremely unwise hijink:

Michigan senior defensive tackle Will Campbell is facing one felony and one misdemeanor charge of malicious destruction of property stemming from an April 7 incident, according to court records. ...

According to Ann Arbor police, Campbell was arrested after attempting to slide across the hood of a vehicle at 2 a.m. on April 7 in the 600 block of Church Street. An officer in the area could hear the sheet metal on the hood of the car buckle under Campbell’s weight — he’s listed at 322 pounds — and arrested the senior, police stated.

Campbell was intoxicated, according to police.

He pled down to a misdemeanor and paid restitution, as is appropriate for a first-time offender. He was certainly not undercharged initially. Meanwhile the main accusation leveled at Michigan's Title IX department recently is that they railroaded Drew Sterrett, a non-athlete whose preposterous expulsion was rightfully overturned in court. It is unlikely to be a haven for disgraceful ex-prosecutors who shuffled rape charges under the table in order to do Joel Ferguson a solid.

The nature of these kinds of issues is that they get shuffled under the carpet for years until someone ferrets them out, so that's not definitive, and unfortunately...

Terrible FOIA Office

ESPN had to sue MSU multiple times to get unredacted versions of the documents they requested, and was infamously sued by MSU because of this conundrum:

MSU argues in a court filing that it has been put in an "impossible position" because Ingham County Prosecutor Carol Siemon's office asked the university to withhold the records and ESPN asked for them to be released.

That's not at all how FOIA works, but ESPN had to take that case all the way to the state supreme court before they could proceed. MSU's FOIA office was in full thrall to their university-wide omerta policy. Any FOIA office that acts similarly should put its university under similar suspicion.

Requesting Jim Harbaugh's very boring expense reports took Deadspin "months of back and forth," and this Daily article still remains the gold standard for FOIA office comparisons. Michigan's office is WORSE THAN MSU's, which is the second worst in all the land:

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This is probably something that goes back to a state law that needs to be changed, but Michigan taking fuller advantage of it than the sexual assault enablers in East Lansing is unacceptable.

As someone with some experience with the FOIA office I can tell you that Michigan had a policy under Dave Brandon (and may still have it under Warde Manuel) where athletic department emails were purposefully and systematically deleted after a certain period of time to remove them from FOIA. This meant the infamous "find a new team" email returned no responses when people suspicious it was a fake asked for it. I meant that whenever I tried to get all emails from Dave Brandon over a month long period there were no matching results.

The FOIA office also always, always, always replies that they will not be able to get to your request in the five business days mandated by state law and will use the ten day extension, whereupon they use the full three weeks before responding.

This is a statewide problem and should be rectified by:

  • Making FOIA requests free short of purposefully vexing ones.
  • Making "deleted" emails subject to FOIA; there is absolutely no excuse for Michigan's behavior in this regard.
  • Establishing certain things as outside the bounds of FERPA, like names on police reports.

Michigan, meanwhile, should take these steps independently. Because right now their FOIA office looks a lot like one set up to shield sexual assault.

Incestuous power structure

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Lou Anna Simon had never worked anywhere other than Michigan State. The Michigan State board of trustees is a collection of blatantly unqualified mandarins that in other circumstances would qualify as hilarious. It contains:

  • An 83-year old former football coach whose tenure ended when years of steroid abuse in his program came to light. George Perles denied any knowledge of such a thing.
  • Joel Ferguson, whose own words are sufficiently damning. If you need more, racketeering charges and straight up admitting that he's buying off the mayor of East Lansing.
  • Mitch Lyons, former MSU football player, who publicly outed Auston Robertson's accuser Robertson as the Corley-Vance-King whistleblower and was recently charged with assault. Lyons at least was the first to flip on Simon.
  • Brian Breslin, who is the son of the guy their basketball arena is named after.
  • Brian Mosallam, another former MSU football player. Mosallam at least seems to realize they screwed up massively.

Miraculously, the other three people are not obviously beholden to the MSU athletic department—their actions only imply it. Their unanimous appointment of John Engler to replace Simon...

...is a ridiculous, we-learned-nothing slap in the face.

Michigan had one notable misstep here that you undoubtedly remember: appointing Dave Brandon athletic director despite his extreme narcissism and total lack of experience in athletic department administration. Outside of that Michigan looks outside itself for top end hires. Mark Schlissel came from Brown, Mary Sue Coleman from Iowa, Lee Bollinger from Dartmouth (though he was faculty at M for a long time prior). The most recent president to move up the ranks from inside the university was James Duderstadt in 1988. Critically, no Michigan alum has been president at the university since 1951. An Ohio State grad has been president more recently than that.

Amongst the board of regents many care about Michigan athletics but there's only one person clearly indebted to it: Ron Weiser, who was endorsed by "Sarah" Harbaugh prior to the most recent board of regents election. There are no former football players or coaches.

Unfortunately, Michigan does display some signs of dysfunction at high levels. "Supplemental" pay has been rising dramatically in recent years, in an apparent effort—again—to skirt FOIA laws:

As a public university, U-M is required by state law to disclose annual salary reports. In those reports, U-M discloses base salary. Yet faculty say base pay is only part of the story, and that in disclosing full-pay U-M will increase accountability.

A group of about a dozen faculty members published an open letter to regents in April, suggesting that faculty pay has been increasing modestly in the last decade, while administrator pay at the school has increased substantially, both through hikes in base salaries and through supplemental pay.

"It shows this disparity [in pay] is growing," Dario Gaggio, a history professor at U-M who co-authored the letter, said of the supplemental pay data. "The higher up you go in the hierarchy, the faster the compensations grow."

He added: "I think the whole system really is in need of a general review."

The University in general shows little to no resistance to the increasing disparities between rank and file pay and executive pay that plague every industry in the country but are especially grating in a non-profit, public-interest enterprise like a public university. And they go out of their way to disguise that. From such small mendacities greater things can spawn.

Michigan, in general, must become more open. Open about compensation, compliant with the spirit of FOIA, not the mere letter. After all:

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"A sign of high integrity is not [being] worried about being FOIA'd"

Comments

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

January 31st, 2018 at 7:43 PM ^

Our politics are very polarized, and they are polarized around issues that voters feel they cannot compromise on. So they will feel they have to vote for someone that is otherwise substandard because of that person's position on, say, health care or abortion.

Bullseye. Let's say, for example, there was a liberal Democrat who was absolutely furious over the VA scandal that took place (or at least, cropped up) during Obama's administration.  That person is so mad, he will.... vote for Trump in the next election to punish the party in power over the VA?  Uh, no.

Most people will vote for a shitty person who agrees with their politics over a person of incredible moral integrity on the opposite end of the spectrum.  Having only two choices will do that.

 

TrueBlue2003

February 1st, 2018 at 2:06 AM ^

I disagree that people who care about that scandal wouldn't vote on single issues.  There are a TON of single issue (or few issue) voters. A plurality of Americans are not registered to a party and identify as independent and they decide our elections (because the staunchly blind supporters essentially cancel one another out. If someone took up the VA cause, they'd get votes from people who care about it.

The two parties are simply coalitions of issues to get to a majority of votes.  This is why the major parties go through big shifts every 40 years or so.  The issues change enough and one party goes on a roll such that the outdated party has to make changes to its platform to get back to competitiveness.  It's happening right now.  Both parties essentially ignored the working class as unions have been under siege and a bunch of fed up blue collar folks switched parties based on essentially two issues: immigration and trade.

The beauty of the two-party system is that the coalitions are formed before we get to vote (and our winner-take-all elections ensure that we'll naturally always move to two dominant parties, see Duverger's Law).  So at least we get to weigh all the various positions. In most European Parliaments, there's a bunch of parties that get voted in and then they form majority coalitions.  I think it's good that we know what we're going to get when we vote.

'Merica!

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

February 1st, 2018 at 9:33 AM ^

All highly fair points.  But I don't think the single-issue voter thing refutes my point - strengthens it, rather.  For example, abortion is a highly popular single issue on both sides of the aisle, which means that as far as a particular abortion-minded voter is concerned, a candidate can get away with any amount of scandal and incompetence as long as they agree with that voter on abortion - and especially if their opponent doesn't, which is almost always the case.  And even if the candidate's issues gets too out of control, the party engineers that candidate out of the picture, replaces him or her with someone else, and takes no responsibility otherwise. 

The reverse applies, too.  Since we only get two choices, we generally get one person who mostly agrees with us and one who mostly doesn't.  If something comes up like the VA scandal, and we feel that the person who agrees with us is responsible, we're still gonna vote for that person, because the alternative is worse.

Thus, we get a system where it becomes exceedingly difficult to hold anyone accountable for anything.

Worse, because there's only the two parties, you have to choose sides.  And the other side, which is not so much trying to do what's best for the country as trying to win, paints you with the brush of all the bad things about the side you chose.  If we had six choices instead of two, there'd be a lot less taking of voters for granted and a lot more accountability to the voters.

TrueBlue2003

February 1st, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^

and we saw a stark example of that point in the past presidential election.

As for the rest of it, I'm not really sure I agree.  GWB's administration was responsible for the FEMA problems, they definitely paid for it.  To the extent it is easy to point blame, those people get voted out relatively quickly.

Totally disagree with your assessment of the VA again.  If you care about it, but also care more about a number of issues such that you don't vote for the person who agrees with you on that issue, then the system worked.  You just didn't care enough about the VA and it was reflected in your vote. 

People seem to expect to find candidates that argee with them on everything.  Why would anyone be entitled to that when there are so many complex issues that everyone has a different opinion on?

Having six candidates, is again, impossible to sustain would be potentially terrible for the losers if the winner only got a plurality.   Some candidates will get trounced so badly that their voters will be disenfranchised because they didn't win, the runner-up will recognize that and add the losers issues to their platform so they can have a better chance next time.   This is exactly why we naturally end up with two choices, every single time (the aforementioned Duverger's law).

And this is the best system because it let's people properly weigh what is important enough to them.  The result is the pendulum swings in the middle - exactly where it should be to keep the most people as reasonably happy as possible.  Democracy! 

yossarians tree

January 31st, 2018 at 3:40 PM ^

Did you know that Michigan is the only state in the country to use at-large statewide ballots to select trustees? Here's an excellent Detroit News editorial on how such a motley crew could be allowed to be assembled--and how other states do it.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/columnists/daniel-howes/2018/…

 

NittanyFan

January 31st, 2018 at 4:25 PM ^

I don't know the perfect solution - I'm not a fan of ALL governor-appointed trustees either.  But I don't like having alumni only-elected trustees either (the PSU experience of late has soured me on this).  Current students should get some representation, one seat.  Maybe 75% governor-appointed, 25% at large-elected, than the current students elect one of their own.

Whatever a solution is, you're right, the current system certainly doesn't work.  That statistic of only 1 out of the 24 U-M/MSU/WSU trustees being a sitting CEO --- whoa.  I agree with Howes: change is in the best interests of the schools, their alums (I'm a WSU alum, Masters degree, myself) and MI residents.

Mr Miggle

January 31st, 2018 at 4:28 PM ^

are selected at their state conventions. I was a delegate to one of them and participated in the process. It wasn't hard to become a delegate. I was still in high school and had just a little involvement in politics. We voted on the slate of candidates for every statewide office that didn't have a primary. Most of those votes were perfunctory, but there were some contested elections. I got involved in one board race, supporting a young upstart vs a political veteran. I'd never heard of either of them before the convention.

The criteria for selecting candidates isn't hard to understand. The top by far is perceived ability to win. That means incumbents are always renominated, because they have a large advantage at the ballot box. Next is name recognition, both statewide and within the party. That mirrors how the votes will be cast. They will mostly be on party line. Those that aren't will mostly be on name recognition.

The next two are qualifications for the job and being politically reliable. There's no real campaign, no debates, but there will be newspaper endorsements that aren't just on party lines. Nominations can be doled out by and to a wing of the party that is dominating that particular convention.

The last is self selecting. These nominations aren't necessarily hotly contested, especially in elections where you would expect to lose. People that are qualified, might also be qualified to run for something else. 

Needs

January 31st, 2018 at 4:03 PM ^

This piece on LGM makes a pretty compelling argument that MSU's inferiority complex is at the heart of the connections between MSU's unqualified BoT, the shadiness of the MSU AD, and the Nassar coverup.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/01/michigan-state-scandal-fina…

Key paragraphs:

"The central point is that Michigan State’s obsession with sports success is the key to understanding both why Nassar’s reign of terror lasted so long, and why in recent years the department turned a blind eye toward or actively covered up sexual assaults by numerous athletes from the two teams responsible for funding the athletic department, football and men’s basketball.

Despite becoming a major research university in its own right, MSU as an institution continues to manifest a marked inferiority complex relative to its richer and more prestigious in-state rival, the University of Michigan. (I am commenting on this from the perspective of someone who grew up in Michigan, and who has many friends and family members who attended each of the schools). 

An important form of compensation for the institution’s alumni and administration (which, for fundraising purposes, is carefully attuned to alumni concerns) has been success in athletic endeavors, especially in the major revenue sports, football and men’s basketball.

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The structural situation at MSU – an obsession with sports success, a closely connected obsession with fundraising, and a governing board that shares and intensifies those obsessions while featuring no discernible qualifications in regard to regulating a research university (none of the board members have ever worked in higher education, and only one, a lawyer, has an advanced degree) — is a very common one in contemporary American higher education. The scandal at MSU should be a cautionary tale for the many institutions that resemble Michigan State in more ways than one."

Alton

January 31st, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^

I won't burden you with them all here, but it's a really interesting topic.  Let's just say it comes down to institutional self-image.

Michigan aspires to be (and, for the most part, is) a top public university in the nation.  That is how they see themselves, that is how their alumni and donors have come to see the University, and that is how the students are taught to see their University, in big and small ways.  You are hammered with the "best public university" concept from application to graduation and beyond.  Everybody buys in to that, to one degree or another.  The end result is obvious...the people who get themselves into positions of power buy into that image, and work to perpetuate it.

Michigan State aspires to be (and, for the most part, is) an anti-Michigan.  Not necessarily that they are an anti-intellectual institution, although there is a surprising amount of it there, but that their idea of success is finding things that they are better at than the University of Michigan.  If that's the number of "National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists" enrolled at their University, then they make sure everybody knows it.  If all they can do is exceed Michigan in football and basketball, well, then, that just shows how great MSU is.  And the people who get themselves into a position where they want to run Michigan State University have bought into that image so hard that they don't even realize they have done it.

The people who created the Universities in their own images--Henry Tappan and James Burrill Angell at Michigan and John Hannah and Clifton Wharton at Michigan State--all bought into these different institutional self-images.

And I managed to make it to the last sentence without saying the words "little" or "brother."

NittanyFan

January 31st, 2018 at 4:54 PM ^

you're generally right.  I did live in Michigan for quite some time, so I'm familiar w/ the dynamics.

U-M vs. MSU ...... MSU has had the "burden" (if you call it one) of being the academically "inferior" (but still a fairly good school, of course) school while also being consistently inferior in THE sport that matters most in that part of the country (football).  I look around the country, and I'm not sure there's a truly comparable situation amongst in-state schools. 

So, younger Joel Ferguson grows up in that environment.  He wants to change that environment, so he gets elected to the Board and he decides that his (only) focus for changing the environment is sports.  And then he campaigns a little every 8 years, and he keeps getting re-elected, and he continues to see academics as a secondary concern, and he becomes even more of a power player as regards MSU sports, and 30 years later, here we are.

I do cringe when I hear U-M folk use "little brother."  Seems a bit mean-spirited.  But yes, MSU has a structural problem - they need to become more proud of what they are and stop comparing vs. others.  The "self-image" as you said.

Alton

January 31st, 2018 at 5:00 PM ^

Sorry for the "Little Brother" crack; it's just that I went back, re-read my post, and realized that I did everything but use those words.  You're not wrong, though.

I have a recommendation if you're really interested in the topic.  There is a book ostensibly about Michigan State's quest to join the Big Ten back in the 1940's that has a lot of indirect insight into how Michigan State University sees itself.

https://www.amazon.com/Arrogance-Scheming-Big-Ten-Membership/dp/0615584…

The book is Arrogance and Scheming in the Big Ten, and there is a single word in the title that immediately signals that the book is written from a perspective sympathetic to Michigan State.  Nevertheless, it's a good read for people interested in the history of Michigan, Michigan State, and the Big Ten.  The author quotes heavily from primary sources, including memos and letters by the Presidents of Michigan and Michigan State, and it really gives you insight into how Michigan State got to be the way it is.

The obsession with "measuring up" to Michigan really seems to have started with President Hannah, and football was absolutely a part--maybe even the key part--of his plan to bring his University into national prominence.

NittanyFan

January 31st, 2018 at 5:50 PM ^

college football history and realignment both interest me - so I'm sure I'll like the book.

I know it was very competitive for that 10th spot once Chicago withdrew.  Pitt, Iowa State, Nebraska, MSU, I think a few others.  I recall reading that Pittsburgh was the front-runner, but gradually fell out of favor. 

Off on a tangent: Pitt in the B1G probably hurts my own school (PSU).  (1) no future B1G invite and (2) a tougher climb to national relevance (something Pitt already had) through the 50s/60s/70s (PSU benefitted from playing Pitt in the finale all those years).

Alton

January 31st, 2018 at 6:04 PM ^

Ohio State wanted Pitt as the 10th member, and advocated for them strongly.

What came back to bite Pitt was their reputation from the 1930s--Pitt football in the 1930s had a reputation on par with SMU football in the 1970s, UNLV basketball in the 1980s, or Miami football in the 1990s.  Back in the 1930s, the Big Ten had an informal "never play Pitt" agreement among their schools:  before the NCAA had enforcement power, that was the only way schools could punish other schools for cheating.

Iowa State was never really considered, it seems, but Iowa--the team most damaged by Chicago's departure from the conference, for interesting scheduling reasons--really wanted Nebraska. 

 

Michigan Arrogance

January 31st, 2018 at 5:38 PM ^

I completely agree. Self image rules the universities more than people want to admit.

 

MSU doesn't aspire to be anything other than "enough to reasonably compare to M." Half their students applied and didnt get into M. One quarter are from out of state and/or maybe didn't apply to M but discover upon arriving in EL that a better university is 65 miles down the road and all the instate students shit on M so it's easy to pick up on that. It's ingrained into the physche of the campus. M beats them in 90% of metrics academically and athletically (basically everything but hoops, football at times, hockey at times, vet sci, agriscience, jouralism and particle physics - which I realize M doesn't have some of those to begin with)

M aspires to be the best and perhaps doesn't always get there but the schools that beat out M (Bama and OSU in football, Ivies in some fields, Stanford in non-rev sports, NW in the humanities, MIT/Caltech in Sci & engin., Wharton in business) are all different schools. Imagine looking at every ranking as an MSU alum/student/fan and seem M above them almost every time. M sees themselves as the finest public school on the face of the Earth and while we aren't that in everything, we come pretty dammed close and if 3-5 ivies, MIT and stanford/duke/NW/Uchicago are a bit better.... OK. MSU aspires to beat M close to 50% of the time in some things and then they (students, alums, fans, and a-fucking-parently the BoT and upper admins in the AD and Pres. office) can all sit back, pat themselves on the back and say, "see? we're just about as good as M anyway like I've alwways thought."

When 75+% of candidates that run for MSU BoT's have that mindset, that's what you're going to get.

UM Regents are people who have dedicated their lives to academic persuits, business persuits and want to maintain and enhance UMs self imposed legacy. MSU BoT are 4 jokers, a football coach and 2-3 reasonable people that want to maintain and enhance MSUs legacy- beating M in somethings. Is it any surpise (in hindsight anyway)?

 

enlightenedbum

January 31st, 2018 at 4:23 PM ^

Could be luck of the draw.  Brandon was a regent before he was AD.  Has his name on the student lounge in the School of Education, too.

If you wanted to be snooty Michigan people about it, I know I don't vote in the MSU elections most of the time because I feel like I don't know what they need.  Maybe that attitude is common and we're more discerning.  I doubt it.

I think a lot of it is just luck.

itauditbill

January 31st, 2018 at 5:06 PM ^

Here's the scary thing... according to John U. Bacon, Brandon was considered a great regent. He was a team player, etc. It seems like when he gets into power it goes to his head. And he's the CEO type that Howes is calling for, (be that good or bad).

I think luck is part of it, but it's also who is interested. They get George Perles... we get Mark Bernstein and Denise Illitch. We get folks who get it, thankfully.

 

bronxblue

January 31st, 2018 at 5:21 PM ^

Brandon at least knew how to be an adult in public.  And for all of his flaws, outside of the Morris concussion fiasco it was mostly arrogance on his part.  He was an asshole to people via email, he thought making money above everything else was right (and to be fair, I feel like some of that was a mandate from the school generally), and he was stubborn in the face of dissent.  But this very site (and Brian at the helm) 10000% loved his handling of the Freep investigation, he did make things like UTL feel like "events", and he at least spent the money he got on parts of the athletics department.  And a single regent, even a mediocre one, couldn't spearhead what happened at MSU; that took lots of people on that board turning a blind eye or not really caring.  

bronxblue

January 31st, 2018 at 5:13 PM ^

I think part of it is that MSU alumni really don't seem to give a shit about how the school is run, or at least not to the degree that Michigan is.  One thing I noticed looking at MSU's board is it's super sports focused: they have a former coach and two former football players on it.  I think having a diversity of viewpoints is essential, but when almost half your board overseeing your school is guys attached to the athletic department, it shows a clear bias.  I don't know Michigan's Regents all that well, but they all seem reasonably accomplished outside of the university and are, for lack of a better word, "adults".  

itsthepitts

January 31st, 2018 at 2:34 PM ^

I had forgotten that Harbaugh added that Integrity quote on his whiteboard. Looking around college athletics, I feel like we're kinda lucky to have what appear to be such high integrity coaches.

More transparency is definitely necessary though, from the U as a whole.

sarto1g

January 31st, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^

Good timing with this piece.  As needed as it is to look at our own university, we also need to look within our selves.  It's easy to point and shame the MSU fans who stand by their players/coaches against sexual assault allegations but when the shoe is on the other foot, how are you reacting?  Are you believing the accusers?  Are you rushing to the player's defense immediately?  It takes a lot of courage to come out publicly like these victims do.  This is not meant to finger point as it's something I've been working on myself.  If we want our university to be better, then we need to do better as fans to not circle the wagons and enable bad behavior

JFW

January 31st, 2018 at 2:43 PM ^

I'm very interested that MSU cleans up its mess; because its a major university that has a duty to make what went wrong right. 

But as an alum I am very, very concerned that Michigan not *ever* fall into the same trap. 

 

The FOIA roadblocks are ridiculous, and just make us look bad. The same goes for deleting the emails. 

They are a publicly funded university. They should be transparent. And if there are things that happen... WE MUST DEAL WITH THEM OPENLY AND IMMEDIATELY. 

I know one of the young ladies who testified. This cannot, must not, happen again. 

Engin77

January 31st, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^

This post answers several questions rattling around in my head over the past week, and provides constructive comparison / criticism on the FOIA process at UM and MSU.

Thank-you so much for caring enough about our University to make it the focus of your prodigious talents.

CLion

January 31st, 2018 at 2:45 PM ^

This editorial is exactly the sort of stuff people don't talk about enough in the wake of something like the MSU saga. It's well-reasoned, self-reflective, productive and necessary. Kudos.

ChalmersE

January 31st, 2018 at 2:52 PM ^

Very thoughtful and timely piece.  One comment:  with regard to the timing of responses to FOIA requests, more information is needed. For example: what is the volume of requests being made; how easy is it to find the information?  I oversee the FOIA process at a Federal agency. We get about 7500 FOIA requests annually which is processed by a staff of 10. Probably 90-95% of the requests are "routine", but even then the FOIA office is dependent on the offices who maintain thre records to search -- we provide parameters on what to search -- and then turn it back to the FOIA office for a review. At that point, a review is undertaken to determine if, for example, any of the informaiton is protected by the Privacy Act and also whether the search undertaken was complete -- there are often telltale signs.. We have more than five days to respond to requests, but if that was the deadline, we'd probably miss on 98% of the requests. I won't go into the complications inherent in the other 5-10% of the requests, but I will say we have not ended a Fiscal Year with a FOIA backlog this decade.  So I agree there needs to be more of a willingness to turn over documents, but sticking to a five day turnaround may not be a reasonable aspiration.

ChalmersE

January 31st, 2018 at 3:12 PM ^

I agree re the deletions, but once again redactions may be necessary to protect the privacy of individuals. Hypothetically if you were a low level employee and Dave Brandon criticized your performance or had an email containg your personal information, you might have a reasonable expectation that the world not learn about it. Here too it depends on the information at issue, the level of the employee, and the balance that needs to be considered. There is a lot less justification to protect something about a head coach, an AD, a full professor than, for example, a grad assistant or a janitor. 

rc15

January 31st, 2018 at 3:26 PM ^

Price helps to keep the delays down though. If everything is free, they'll be bombarded with requests. If a request costs $1200 to figure out about parking tickets, a news organization may be willing to pay that for an article, but some high school student isn't going to for their project.

The point is to not hide anything, but the requester should have to pay for the amount of time it takes to gather the information.

rc15

February 1st, 2018 at 10:46 AM ^

You can either complain about the cost OR the time to get the request, but not both. Unless you are acusing the FOIA office employees of just twiddling their thumbs for weeks until actually gathering the infomation at the last second. Which I would agree is a big problem if this is occuring.

Otherwise, if you increase the cost, there will be less requests, and the FOIA office should be able to get you the information quicker. It's supply and demand like anything else. If demand is higher than what they can supply, they should raise the price.

If each employee is able to make more than what they cost to employ, they should hire more employees, which should get people information quicker. If they make the office less than what they cost, then student tuition is paying for it. I don't think they should be increasing tuition more to hire more people so MLive can write an article...

rc15

February 1st, 2018 at 11:07 AM ^

What you could do with no added cost/work while allowing the information to be more "free" to the public is charge a data generation fee. Charge the requestor how ever much, based on cost to obtain and put together, and then upload it to a public site. Anyone is able to download that data for $1 or some nominally small fee that pays to maintain the site.

If two people request the same data they shouldn't be charging the second person the same fee because it costs them nothing to obtain.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

January 31st, 2018 at 2:50 PM ^

Glenn Winston broke a hockey player's jaw with a sucker punch, served six months in jail, and was immediately reinstated.

Gosh, you don't think a six-month suspension from team activities was punishment enough?

The single most laughable thing that Dantoneeeyo has ever done was to act like he did suspend Glenn Winston, you know, for the duration of his jail sentence.

BigBlue02

January 31st, 2018 at 3:54 PM ^

Not only that, but Winston also gave the kid he hit permanent brain damage. There was a story about the hockey player that went into how he could now no longer focus long enough to study and often forgot simple things he would normally remember. When the story came out, a large potion of their fan base came to the defense of Winston and claimed the hockey player must have done something wrong to justify being sucker punched because they found it impossible to fathom that someone could be a bystander in a fight like this. That story alone shows how dysfunctional their shithead fans and the culture around MSU are