LLP Dismissed
I guess this ends the wondering about whether Laval Lucas-Perry will be granted that 5th year of his scholarship for the 2011-2012 year. Press release:
ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- University of Michigan men's basketball head coach John Beilein announced today (Wednesday, June 30) that redshirt-junior guard Laval Lucas-Perry (Flint, Mich./Flint Powers Catholic HS) has been dismissed from the program.
"The University of Michigan and our men's basketball program has established expectations essential to the success of all students and athletes," said Beilein. "These university and team standards have been clearly communicated to the team and Laval on numerous occasions through meetings, conferences and mentorship.
"Unfortunately, Laval has violated our team standards. Therefore, I have decided that he will no longer be a part of our basketball program. Given the fact that Laval is near the completion of his degree, he has been extended the offer to remain on scholarship for the 2010-11 academic year and graduate in May with our 2011 class."
After transferring from the University of Arizona midway through his freshman season, Lucas-Perry has played 58 games for U-M averaging 5.6 points, 2.1 rebounds and 1.4 assist per game.
/press release.
Standard "violation of team rules" dismissal, though he'll be allowed to remain in school. Your men's basketball roster for the upcoming season now is one guard shorter, meaning more time at the 2 for the likes of Zack Novak and/or Stu Douglass, and probably an increased role for Tim Hardaway Jr.
Hopefully the fact the Beilein is giving LLP scholarship money doesn't mean that it comes at the expense of a walk-on. I realize a walk-on makes the commitment to come to Michigan without a scholarship, but working hard and not getting one when someone who violated team rules does get one seems unfair.
Also: you have absolutely zero idea of what he did/didn't do. Again, that's the difference re: Boubacar. Premature to make these judgments re: LLP. Not that you aren't right, but you certainly have no factual basis. Unless you have sources none of else have. Dartboard predictions and all that.
What the hell are you talking about? What accusations have I made? I said that he's no longer on the team and should therefore have to pay for his own tuition just like everybody else. One clause in that sentence is a fact, the other my reasonable opinion. Get a grip.
Did you not see where I said "you may be right," and was just trying to bring something up for sake of debate? That's all I was trying to do. I wasn't trying to be some sort of contrarian douchenozzle, and apologize if I came off that way.
No that's just one of your arguments. The other: Cissoko = LLP. You have no idea what either of them were disciplined for. It's a stupid argument.
I am guessing that a surplus of basketball scholarships (and maybe some lingering guilt in the athletic dept. that taking the scholarship away contributed to Cissoko's self-destruct) explains Beilein's generosity.
derp
There are PLENTY of kids at U of M who pay their own way, I was/am one. He's just a student now and, therefore, should have to pay his own way just like the rest of the normal student body.
Seriously, fuck you buddy. This isn't a zero sum game. LLP getting to finish out his degree on scholarship doesn't cost you anything. In case you were oblivious to reality, the marginal cost of attending classes is basically 0. He's contributed more to the university than you ever did. You should probably shut your entitled ass the fuck up.
Your avatar is pretty cool, but you're kind of a giant cocksucker.
Nice language. They allow Spartan fans on this board?
And what do you know of my contributions to the University, Shock? Since you've made it an issue, I was a member of a large and highly visible entity within the University, serving my last two years as a student leader by appointment. In that position, I had direct responsibility for indoctrinating two classes of freshmen regarding how they should represent themselves as official representatives of the University of Michigan. In those last two years, my contributions were recognized with small scholarships.
As a professional I've repeatedly volunteered to be on my employer's recruiting team and have played a part in getting 4 University graduates jobs through two recessions. I know, four people, big whoop but I'm very proud that I've been able to help four people secure employement in this god foresaken economic environment.
Does that stuff compare to what Laval has contributed? I don't know, and I really don't care. I've done what I can and will continue to do so. You don't know me and you know very little about the way I think. What have you contributed?
As for being a jerk, it sucks that you think that. I've stated my opinion and tried to explain, support, and clarify when challenged about it. I suppose that makes us all jerks. If I were to follow your lead, I would reduce my jerkiness by calling people cocksucker just because they hold a different view than I. Regardless, I don't like being thought of in that way, so I'll do better next time.
I think you're way off base in the way you've communicated your disagreement with my view, but I forgive you.
Can we just end this e-slapfight?Y
es, it's probably the right thing to do for Michigan to give LLP scholarship money for the remainder of his degree (which he should get in December or May). Yes, there are legitimate arguments that this is unfair to the average student that never got a scholarship to play sports.
Beilein is infinitely more in-tune with the situation, and I'll trust his judgement on the matter.
I'm sorry I called you a giant cocksucker. You're not. I should have objected to the opinion and not gone ad hominem. Again, my apologies.
What I object to is the lack of compassion and empathy displayed and wrapped in a "you fucked up/it's your fault" package, topped with a bow of injustice that he's now getting something (year of tuition) for nothing (not on the team anymore). Plus the comment that he should be grateful to have even a chance to finish the degree at a school he, in your words, might not have gotten into without basketball.
Everyone is better off by LLP finishing his degree. So let's show some empathy and let him finish.
No hard feelings. Reasonable people don't just react that way. You've always seemed reasonable to me and this is further evidence of that. If I eliceted that type of reaction out of you, I failed at communicating my thoughts thoroughly.
My rhetorical issue is, how many chances should a person get before they face consequences that resonate with them? The answer is greater than 1 but certainly less than infinity. My issue isn't that Laval made a mistake, it's that he's made several, apparently without meaningful modification of behavior; at least not enough to avoid getting kicked off the team. You know as well as I that getting into Michigan, especially now, is a non-trivial matter and highly qualified individuals get turned away every year. I'm not calling the guy an idiot nor am I saying that he shouldn't be allowed to finish his degree.
Having said that, Tim's comment is on point; Beilein is the right guy to make the call. He's made it. Go Blue.
but logged in just to +1 this. Solid post/reply.
hahaha... it is INSANE how fast my feelings about the Men's Basketball program changed... During/After the 08/09 season, I was obsessed/ excited/ hopeful.... During/ After the 09/10 season, I was disappointed, pissed, then apathetic... Now.... I would be happy with a 12 win season..... But on a positive note.... I really think Hardaway is going to be really good for us next year...
is not a fan of this at all: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2257405
as for llp being kicked off of the team, it bothers me because we don't have that many experienced guards... but i won't miss his 3 air balls per game and constant bricks... i have always wondered what arizona saw in him to offer him a scholarship...
showed a lot of promise early in his career, he got Michigan into the tourney in 08/09 against Minnesota almost single handedly, I thought the sky was the limit.
But in all honesty, after last year, I just don't see this as that big of a loss. Perry seemed consistently disinterested for most of the season last year. God Awful shot selection and somewhat of a defensive and ball handling liability.
Given that nothing has been released about what "standards" were violated, it is hard to judge the whats and whys of this move. However, I am starting to be concerned about Bielien's message is not getting through to multiple players. There just seems to be a lot of disention with and around the basketball team.
Two years ago I really thought things were looking up. Now it feels as though they are starting from scratch again.
available, i think i will just trust the corch and wish LLP happy trails and say fare thee well.
stuff happens. maybe it will work out best for all. the kid is young with eligibility left.
Kumbaya
This probably doesn't help us when recruiting his (much better) younger brother...
giving him a schollie is paying him to do nothing. I don't think that is fair. Even if we can't hand out another athletic scholarship in his place, I think that schollie should go back into the general scholarship fund for the university.
Now before you get your panties in a bunch, let me explain. I was on a academic scholarship at Michigan. The terms were very clear: If I did anything that violated the scholarship terms ( cheating, letting my GPA go below x.y and so on), I would lose the scholarship, end of story.
I don't see why athletes should get a preferential treatment here. They get free tuition and room and board (with a stipend) for a reason. They satisfy their obligation to practice and play for Michigan (BBall in LLP's case). If you do not satisfy that obligation, I don't see why UM owes the athlete anything.
And if you want to make the argument that Athletic scholarships don't come out of the general fund, therefore should not go back into it, then fine, give it to a hard working walk-on. There are consequences to your actions. Given JB's track-record, I highly doubt he would kick LLP out on his FIRST minor offense without any warnings. If LLP CHOSE to not straighten up, why does UM BBal owe him a scholarship? He should have to pay his own way or tranfer to another university that will give him a scholarship.
I believe for most scholarships, if they're anything like mine was, "letting your gpa go below x.y" is true where x.y=2.0. I mean you'd basically have to shoot someone or at least something.
Plus in this situation I think it's clear that if they don't give him a scholarship he's not finishing college and that's just bad news PR wise.
I agree with your general sentiment, and if LLP was only a year or two into his degree the story might be different. My guess is that with LLP being so close to degree completion, though, JB rather give the kid a chance to receive his UM degree and not take the PR hit for cutting him so close. I agree, though, that athletes should not necessarily receive preferential treatment if they are unable to live up to the terms of their scholarship.s
may also be weighing on his mind. I am not sure APR's are tracked for the entire Athletic Dept or for individual sports. If it is the later, then this argument is moot (or MOOP as Constanza fans like to call it).
"Lavell Lucas Perry will be Michigan's best point guard since Rumeal Robinson"
Oops!
uh... Jalen Rose?
you speak of. I cannot locate any record of his existence in the Michigan record books. There is this strange blank spot from 1992-1994.... weird.
It's nice to finally be able to read this without wanting to break down in tears...
The 1993-94 season wasn't vacated.
It's his team and his name attached to W's and L's. If he is of the opinion that LLP did not/could not be part of the TEAM then I fully support his decision. All players know the rules and expectations. Sometimes they are unable to live within them and a coach must decide who is more important to the team, the coach or the player.
JB has clearly answered that question and shown class by allowing LLP to finish his education, the student part of student-athlete.
I'd hate for him to have strip to pay his tuition.
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