ODU coach: “You can only do 15 days in June and 15 days in July of camps. That’s four weeks we can be on vacation in the summer. Not to mention the 30 days we can’t recruit around Christmas.I am so tired of coaches complaining about quality of life when 95 percent of Americans will never touch the money or vacation time we get. Shame on us.”
Not really the devil, as I have met(!) Jason of 11 Warrior and had a cordial experience. Also he runs Drupal.
So Eleven Warriors took me up on my "someone argue OSU's sanctions shouldn't be as a bad as USC's" challenge, and even did so with a table. Let's take a look:
18 specific instances of violations by Reggie Bush or his family, including a house for his parents, a car (with new rims and a stereo), airfare, hotel stays, limo services, meals, car repairs, clothing, furniture and and appliances.
12 similar instances of violations out of basketball player OJ Mayo.
Running backs coach Todd McNair was found to have known or should have known of Bush's activity and was also cited for lying during the investigation.
Further violations by the women's tennis program and a failure of the athletic department's infrastructure when it came to oversight and policing.
Together, these findings led to a charge of Lack of Institutional Control.
An email trail that proved the head coach had knowledge of players forfeiting their eligibility, but did nothing to notify his superiors or compliance/enforcement staff.
UPDATED: Further, Tressel signed a statement attesting to the fact that he was unaware of any violations in the fall of 2010.
Additional athletes may have been involved in memorabilia-for-tattoos.
Potential improper benefits in the form of car deals for football players.
Terrelle Pryor allegedly received benefits in the form of free golf at a country club and is also alleged to have received $20,000-$40,000 in exchange for autographed memorabilia.
Forced the resignation of a beloved coach with otherwise excellent reputation amongst peers.
LEVEL OF COOPERATION
Ohio State has reported all findings to the NCAA on their own and has stayed in contact with the organization to assist with the investigation.
Hired habitual scofflaw Lane Kiffin to replace Pete Carroll. AD Mike Garrett claimed the NCAA report was "nothing but a lot of envy".
None, unless you wanted to count the fumbled presser on March 8th. Which you shouldn't.
Let's play the Feud!
USC's lack of institutional control charge was the major factor here and while Ohio State has not yet been hit with that allegation the Pac-10 has a primer on what does and does not qualify for a LOIC charge featuring a lot of components that should make OSU fans nervous.
Specifically called out is a head coach's responsibility:
A head coach fails to create and maintain an atmosphere for compliance within the program — the coach supervises or fails to monitor the activities of assistant coaches regarding compliance.
A head coach has special obligation to establish a spirit of compliance among the entire team, including assistant coaches, other staff and student-athletes. The head coach must generally observe the activities of assistant coaches and staff to determine if they are acting in compliance with NCAA rules. Too often, when assistant coaches are involved in a web of serious violations, head coaches profess ignorance, saying that they were too busy to know what was occurring and that they trusted their assistants. Such a
failure by head coaches to control their teams, alone or with the assistance of a staff member with compliance responsibilities, is a lack of institutional control.
This is not to imply that every violation by an assistant coach involves a lack of institutional control. If the head coach sets a proper tone of compliance and monitors the activities of all assistant coaches in the sport, the head coach cannot be charged with the secretive activities of an assistant bent on violating NCAA rules.
In this case Tressel can't even attempt to pass the buck since he is directly responsible.
Meanwhile, there have been multiple incidents that suggest institutional control is weak at best: the Plain-Dealer reports OSU was warned about Talbott in 2007 but still allowed players to leave tickets for him and remain on the sidelines as a photographer; a 2006 audit of OSU's car tracking found it inadequate, then found a third of the athletes were driving vehicles unknown to the department. They discovered this by checking cars at practice and examining university parking pass and ticket records. Ohio State stated it looked at Terrelle Pryor's three loaner tickets and decided a test drive to Pennsylvania did not constitute an extra benefit. As late as May Doug Archie, the director of compliance at OSU, responded to a question about why nine players had been issued citations in cars with dealer plates with "you'll have to ask the dealers"; even after the USC case established the need for "high profile compliance" of high profile players, Archie disavows any special attention to Pryor and other football players.
The Pac-10 document lays out a selection of "acts that are likely to demonstrate to a lack of institutional control," of which the head coach bit above is one. Ohio State appears to hit many of the others:
A person with compliance responsibilities fails to establish a proper system for compliance or fails to monitor the operations of a compliance system appropriately.
The explanatory text below notes that "the mere compilation and distribution of
rules and regulations, along with written compliance procedures, is not sufficient if no one regularly checks on the actual operations of the system."
A person with compliance responsibilities does not take steps to alter the system of compliance when there are indications the system is not working.
OSU's extremely high rate of secondary violations does not help them: "if there are a number of violations, even if they all are minor, indicating that the compliance system is not operating effectively, the person(s) responsible cannot ignore the situation, but must take steps to correct the compliance system." They constitute a warning that should have been, but was not heeded. They were an indication increased vigilance was needed.
A director of athletics or any other individual with compliance responsibilities fails to investigate or direct an investigation of a possible significant violation of NCAA rules or fails to report a violation properly.
Even if Tressel does not count here—and I'm pretty sure he doesn't since the next bullet is the one about head coaches—a pattern of evidence OSU players were getting deals on cars was either uninvestigated or rubber-stamped by the department; similarly, Ohio State's 11-day investigation into the tattoo business was insultingly brief and turned up no extra players whatsoever, something that has been brought into question by multiple media reports. Those media reports may involve dubious dudes name Ellis but they also involve former players like Robert Rose, who admitted his own NCAA violations, and Ray Small.
In light of the other issues it seems clear the goal of OSU's tatgate investigation was to offer the appearance of compliance instead of the actual thing. An actually diligent compliance department would have turned up more issues than those specifically told them by the Feds.
In conclusion, the guy whose job it is to ask the dealers responded to a media inquiry about the dealers by saying "you'll have to ask the dealers." When—and it is when*—the NCAA determines an unusual, easily detectable pattern of behavior was permitted to happen for years after Maurice Clarett's burglary report should have put the athletic department on alert, the LOIC charge will be inevitable.
Not very bonus for OSU fans: they are up for repeat violator status because of Boban Savovic, and unlike in previous cases where schools were technically up for extra penalties under that statute, here the nature of the violations is extremely similar.
*[This is the part at which Jason objects to most, I think:
MGoBlog, unsurprisingly, is more certain of that happening than you might be
I am inclined to believe there is not a reasonable explanation for the loaner cars, it's true. If you look at the situation at OSU—a dealership littered with memorabilia that sold some 50 Buckeyes cars and has seen nine different players ticketed in cars featuring dealer plates, including one Terrelle Pryor getting three separate tickets when any normal human would have been blacklisted after the first—and think the NCAA can possibly find no extra benefits, well… we are on different planets and talking to each other is pointless.]
Saying OSU self-reported its violations when they did nothing about the tattoos until they were notified by federal investigators is stretching things a bit. They literally took no action until someone else had done all the work for them. OSU's internal compliance measures failed to pick up any hint of wrongdoing. Meanwhile, it was OSU's legal department that originally caught the Cicero emails—not compliance.
So while OSU may have reported its violations to the NCAA, they only did so after a federal investigation and the legal department's intervention; in the aftermath they gave themselves a hilariously weak punishment.
Fate Of Head Coach
The only difference between the fates of Pete Carroll and Jim Tressel was Carroll's foresight in his constant flirtations with the NFL. The NCAA will not give Ohio State credit for doing something they were going to have to do anyway once they put a show-cause on him.
Level Of Cooperation
USC did the same song and dance with the NCAA. Todd Dickey:
Since the allegations surfaced, USC has been working closely with the NCAA and the Pac-10 in an attempt to get to the truth.
Working in conjunction with the NCAA and the Pac-10 — we have already interviewed approximately 50 people and spent many hundreds of hours investigating these allegations. We have no idea how long this investigation will continue — and no one is more anxious to bring this process to a conclusion than we are — but we remain committed to getting to the truth.
USC has participated in every interview — except those few from which we were excluded. Our exclusion from these interviews mainly stemmed from demands from those making allegations against our student-athletes, insisting that no one from USC be present.
We have cooperated and worked together with the NCAA and Pac-10 every step of the way during this process and we intend to continue to do so.
Once you are in the hole, you can stop digging. Ohio State has stopped digging, but they are still in the hole. Way down in the hole. Not cooperating is asking to get SMU'ed; what Ohio State is doing now is the same thing USC did, the same thing any school does once in the crosshairs. It is not likely to see penalties reduced.
If we're counting Mike Garrett's ham-handed press conference, the "fumbled" presser on March 8th counts as well, as does Ohio State's excessively weak response to a serious every-coach-gets-fired 10.1 finding: a two game suspension.
Tressel later "resigned," something Gordon Gee insists was Tressel's own doing and not the university stepping forward to terminate the coach's contract. If he's smart—he's not—he will change that tune immediately, adopting a hang-dog Day of Great Shame rhetoric, and regretfully assert while Tressel was an excellent coach and leader of men he violated the principles the university lives by and had to be terminated.
The key to the rebuttal was outing Jason's "self reporting" brushover. OSU's self reporting never served any purpose other than lessening the impact of that which became known. Little became known (until recently) due to lack of compliance (an issue Jason leaves out of his table). Yes, they self reported. No, the self reporting did not serve its intended purpose (or any purpose outside Tressel's needs).
I'm out of Bolivia. Sex trafficking, kidnapping, drug running, and not a decent beer to be had. Man that sucked.
Sanctions are coming. This self reporting argument is a delusion, created by a fan base desperate to believe any bone thrown their way. No amount of self indignation, and crying about the media is going to change that.
Does anybody recall how long it was between the time Michigan and the NCAA investigated stretch-gate, and Michigan received the Notice of Allegations?
It would seem that if the NCAA left the OSU campus two weeks ago, and if they were going to load on additional allegations, including LOIC, beyond the ones they are already responding to in August, then we ought to be seeing another Notice of Allegations at some point in the not so distant future.
I guess I am assuming the process is exposure of alleged wrongdoing, investigation, analysis, Notice of Allegations, legal preparation, Hearing with Self Sanctions, Ruling with NCAA Sanctions.
So far the Bucknuts are right - they are only ticketed for Tat 5 and already paid that fine, and now Tressel lying.
I'll feel more comfortable if and when new citations are handed down in the form of a Notice of Allegations.
And there's little to suggest that Ohio State will not find the skids similarly greased for them too. I'm not confident that justice will be served against OSU, Gee and Tressel. I'm confused by all the high-fiving going on.
USC will be eligible to participate in the PAC-12 title game and bowl games in 2012. They're excluded this year, but they're pretty much done with that side of things.
The scholarship losses of 10 per year until 2015 definitely can hurt, but not if the Trojans are still landing about 12 to 15 four to five star players each season, which they appear to have no difficulty achieving. So far USC has 8 commits for 2012. 6 of them are 4 stars or higher. They have 7 spots to fill and basically no bowl/title game ramifications for those commits. UCLA, Oregon, ASU and Stanford are not feeding on the leftovers. I don't like him, but Kiffin is a good recruiter of 17-18 year old kids. In other words, the worst may be over for a USC.
The NCAA is good at being mum on things until the hearings and statements are over, but I don't get the sense that they're about to lower the boom in unprecedented fashion on Ohio State. There was that same expectation about USC's scandal several years ago, and look what happened. Nothing. The Trojans got a mild spanking followed by a steak dinner and a hot fudge sundae.
I think justice should be served to the Buckeyes and any other football program that violates rules brazenly, but there just isn't any evidence to suggest that the NCAA demonstrates justice in these matters. USC's case should have been a decisive example to the rest of the "market" that the NCAA is Mao. It's not Mao. It's more like the Mayor of Imaginationland.
funny, just had this friend who teaches at the U of Toronto here
she is a fairly well-known playa in her field and a vegan. I, meanwhile, work with small farmers in the Caribbean. So we got into it, with me insisting that animals were necessary to small farming (manure and all, you had to be there). Anyway, "we eat the pig and together we burn" about covers it. As soon as we were out the door, my wife--whose friend she IS--dragged us all out for barbeque at Jim and Milt's (try it if you're ever here in Tallahassee; nothing showy but almost as good as Dreamland in Tuscaloosa).
…perhaps (with any luck, please, please, please), the NCAA will act in a manner that addresses anOSU's violations AND serves to bolster their public image in the wake of other recent "issues" (i.e. Newton)?
A repeat national championship in 2017…what better way to celebrate the bicentennial?
I'm not sure I completely understand what is/isn't considered self-reporting and how much of a hammer than means you will get. For example, Michigan didn't self-report its violations - the FreeP reported them and Michigan responded with an investigation in the reported issue and all related issues (and maybe more).
Now contrast that with OSU's self-reporting - different allegations were made over the last decade. Each time OSU either said, "Nothing to see here" or self-reported exactly what the alleged violations were and claimed to have conducted an investigation each time. In the recent tat-gate stuff, they again 'self-reported' in response to allegations, conducted a sham of an investigation and said nothing else to see. Then in response to new allegations, they again 'self-reported', conducted a sham investigation and said, "This is everything to see here." This cycle repeated itself a number of times with outside allegations, OSU investigations and 'self-reporting' of EXACTLY what was alleged by outsiders. For anyone, OSU fans included, to claim this meets 'self-reporting' standards is absurd.
My point (finally) is that it can hardly be considered self-reporting or an investigation when neither is actually occurring. In contrast to UofM's investigative report and self-sanctions, which were essentially adopted entirely by the NCAA, I have to believe that the NCAA looks at this pattern and will be working to uncover every stone with no faith in OSU's ability to conduct an impartial or competent investigation. The fact that the Head Coach and #1 witness are no longer cooperating has to be an aggravating factor in the eyes of the NCAA, if solely based on the human nature of annoyed investigators.
Drink a pint of tequila, 12 beers and start one post about Justin Boren in bad taste and end up with - 590 points.
It would appear that OSU's "self-reporting" was a managed affair designed to limit the damage and allow them to "discipline" the players without getting into all the real unpleasantness of what was actually going on there. Ooops!
Beat the Chicago Maroons -- original Hated Rival, afflatus for The Victors.