The John Bacon Q&A: College Football At A Crossroads Comment Count

Brian

Hey kids. John's answered your questions in an extensive post below. I know his points hit close to home as we approach the last time Michigan Stadium will host Notre Dame for the foreseeable future. The book is Fourth and Long, and it's available now.

See also: John fields questions from MVictors and talks with the PostGame. Also he was on Olbermann!

The Kraft Macaroni and Cheese noodle sits outside of the Big House on Friday, Aug. 30. Patrick Record | AnnArbor.com

Is there a way of putting the genie back in the bottle, or have the aggressive, business-oriented strategies of highlighted in the book (and there are MANY instances therein) put Michigan on an irreversible, faulty trajectory?

[My question is in his estimation, where is that "tipping point" for Michigan, and what happens when we reach it?]

Great question, and one I’ve examined from as many angles as possible for this book. Really, for Michigan fans – and fans of college football generally – it is the central question.

Michigan happens to make a great case study, on two fronts: the loyalty of its fans, and the department’s profitably, both of which are virtually unequaled in college football.

First, the good news, from the book:

“Brandon’s style might not please everyone he deals with, but he delivers what he promises. Under Brandon, the department increased its operating surplus to $15.3 million in fiscal year 2012, 72 percent higher than the previous fiscal year. In 2012, the Michigan football team alone generated $61.6 million in profits, second only to the University of Texas, which has the considerable advantage of its exclusive twenty-year, $300 million TV deal with ESPN.

Brandon has delivered more than dollars, too. After hiring Brady Hoke in 2011, the Michigan football team beat Notre Dame on the last play of the Big House’s first night game, defeated Ohio State for the first time since 2003, and won a thrilling overtime game over eleventh-ranked Virginia Tech in the Sugar Bowl, Michigan’s first BCS bowl victory since a young man named Tom Brady beat Alabama in the January 1, 2000, Orange Bowl.

In the 2011–12 school year, the hockey team earned a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament; the men’s basketball team won a share of its first Big Ten title since 1986; and the following fall, Michigan’s other twenty-nine sports combined to run a close second behind Stanford, and ahead of such perennial all-sport powers as Texas and UCLA, in the Directors’ Cup, which Michigan has never won.

If the Michigan athletic department had issued a 2012 annual report to its shareholders, it would have been the shiniest publication in college sports, packed with enough good news to make the competition envious. By those measures, its creator could be considered an all-American athletic director.

The Wolverines are not alone in spending millions, of course, engaged as they are in an arms race with the Buckeyes and the Southeastern Conference that shows no signs of slowing down. In Brandon’s speeches to alumni clubs, service groups, and the press, he has been unabashed in laying out a simple equation: if you want titles, this is what it takes.

But it can come with some unexpected prices.”

One of them, of course, was the initial decision to leave the Marching Band in Ann Arbor for the Alabama game in Dallas – about which former band director Scott Boerma was willing to clarify several misconceptions in our interviews.

But the bigger price might be the disaffection of thousands of loyal fans, some of whom have dropped their tickets. At Michigan, as of this writing, those numbers don’t seem to be too great, and the Big House still attracts over 100,000 passionate fans each game. But just down the road at Penn State, whose fans are every bit as rabid as Michigan’s, driving an average of four hours to see their team play in State College, you can see the effects of squeezing your supporters too hard.

The scoreboard scroller at Penn State’s third game, against Navy, announced the game’s attendance at ninety-eight thousand. As I write: “This would have brought heartbreak to the Michigan crowd, which had never dipped below one hundred thousand since 1975. But the Lions’ six-year streak had already been broken at the opening game of the 2011 season, months before Sandusky was arrested, thanks to the overpricing of tickets through a misguided and ill-timed seat-license plan called the “Step Program.” This had caused attendance to drop by about three thousand a game in 2010, when the program was introduced, again in 2011, and would again in 2012.”

My sources tell me the trend is likely to continue in 2013, and this brings us to a central issue for meccas like Beaver Stadium, the Horseshoe and the Big House: faith. From the book:

College football fandom depends on the same force that buoys our nation’s currency: faith. Since the United States left the gold standard, the US dollar has value only because billions of people around the world think it does. When a critical mass of people stop thinking that, our dollars will be worth no more than Confederate scrip—without the eBay memorabilia value.

College football isn’t nearly as important, of course, nor as serious. But the ecosystem works the same way. Going to a football game at Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State is great largely because over one hundred thousand people at each stadium think it is. If the sellouts stop and the empty seats increase, the fans start questioning why they’re paying such incredible fees for a “wow experience” that cannot attract a sellout.

One friend calculated that taking her husband and two kids to the games—without dinners or hotel rooms—costs about $500 per Saturday, more than a day at Disney World. And Mickey never loses or snows on you.

“Just because you can charge them more,” Bill Martin told me, “doesn’t mean you should. You’re not there to ring up the cash to the nth degree. It’s a nonprofit model!

“Look into how much is spent on marketing, then look at how effective it is,” he said. “Look at the increase in men’s basketball attendance this year,” he added. Michigan’s top-10 men’s team played twenty games at home, attracting capacity crowds of 12,693 for fifteen of those games, with only two under 10,000. “That would happen if you didn’t spend one penny on marketing. You don’t have to do marketing at Michigan. We have the fans. We have the support. We have a great reputation. All you have to do is win. If you win, they will come. You just need to make it as affordable as possible for your fans.”

For all these reasons, my friends—who developed what they thought were lifelong habits of attendance as kids—have found themselves in the last few years rarely going to the stadium anymore.

The straw man of the hour was Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon. Brandon talks a lot about “brand loyalty,” but that combines two words that, to a college football fan, aren’t related. College football fans are fiercely loyal, but their loyalty is to something they most definitely do not see as a brand, rather something much deeper. If Michigan football ever lost loyal fans like my friends in the living room, who were raised on Michigan football, could it win them back?

Clearly, Brandon was betting that the endless branding would keep them in the fold. And perhaps if not, other fans could replace them.”

Both those questions, I believe, will be answered in the near future. And they will be answered by you, the loyal fans, who will vote with your feet, and your credit card.

[After THE JUMP: is college football worth saving? Does Bill O'Brien want to strangle Tim Beckman? What does the U stand for?]

What's wrong with a world where college football becomes NFL lite? Some traditions are worth preserving - why is amateur/college football one of those?

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If the “tipping point” question above is the central one for fans, this question might be the central question for the sport of college football itself.

When Bo Schembechler accepted Don Canham’s offer to coach the Wolverines in 1969, he was paid $21,000. At that rate, I’d imagine, most players on his team knew that, if they got their Michigan degree, they could do better financially than their coach, and probably hundreds of them have. Few at the time, if any, were arguing that the players were being exploited.

But even though the value of a scholarship has gone up considerably, it has not kept pace with the skyrocketing coaches’ salaries.

From the book:

“Head football coaches at Division I public universities now average more than $2 million a year, an increase of 750 percent (adjusted for inflation) since 1984, which is about twenty times more than professors’ salaries increased over the same period. In 2012, the highest-paid state employee in twenty-seven states was a football coach, and in thirteen it was a basketball coach. The number of states whose highest-paid public employee was a university president? Four. The explosion in CEO pay, and the rationales that go with it, would be a fair comparison.”

In the face of this unprecedented influx of money, the contrast between the lifestyles of the players and the coaches and administrators becomes more glaring – and more galling. As you are probably already aware, this chasm has widened in the past three years, making for interesting contrasts among Bill Martin, Dave Brandon, and the players, but the details can be striking.

From the book:

“During the 2008 recession, Martin’s administration actually lowered ticket prices and gave free full-page ads in every football program to the Big Three automakers, who have generously supported the department for decades. It’s also why Martin insisted on being paid a dollar for each of his first two years as athletic director, then agreed to the going rate of about $300,000 per year thereafter.

Already a multimillionaire, Martin turned down the president’s offer to double his salary, and all bonuses. When he traveled to New York on university business, he and his staffers flew coach on Northwest Airlines, then took a cab in the city, or the subway, or, most often, simply walked.

Dave Brandon is estimated to be worth tens of millions, but he is now paid roughly three times what Bill Martin received. For the first time in Michigan’s history, the athletic director makes more than the president. When university business calls Brandon to New York, he often flies out on a donor’s private jet, then pays a limousine service to drive him to meetings around the city.

Back in Ann Arbor, for his first two years Denard Robinson borrowed his teammates’ beat-up cars—Thomas Rawls’s pickup truck was particularly popular among the players—before he bought a rusty clunker of his own, a Pontiac Grand Am, possibly a ’98, though he wasn’t sure. His protégé, Devin Gardner, picked up a little blue coupe, which had “wires hanging out from the engine over the front bumper, and half the back bumper missing,” teammate Elliott Mealer told me. “Devin couldn’t have resold that thing to a blind man. So, no. No one’s giving us cars.”

After a point, the contrasts start to matter.”

And at some point, the players might stand up en masse – really, the only way they have any power – and decide to, well, sit down. Before the Michigan State game, I ran into Michigan cross-country coach Ron Warhurst in the Pioneer parking lot. From the book:

He looked around at the thousands of people happily spending about $500 on that day’s game—and many of them much more. Two golf courses across Main Street were just as full. So was the stadium parking lot and dozens of residential blocks within a mile of the Big House.

“You look at all this, you look at how much money people spend, and how much those guys make,” he said, pointing a thumb at the Big House, “and you have to think, one of these times the players are going to run out of that tunnel, sit down on the benches, and refuse to play until they get paid.

“One of these days.”

William Friday, the former president of the University of North Carolina, told the writer Taylor Branch that if a certain team—not his own school’s—reached the NCAA basketball championship game a few years ago, “they were going to dress and go out on the floor, but refuse to play.” Because the team didn’t make it to the finals, we’ll never know if they would have followed through. But any team in the tournament could do it, jeopardizing the $1 billion March Madness generates in TV ads alone ,the highest ad revenue of any sporting event.

Just as Warhurst postulated, any football team could do the same—which demonstrates just how fragile the game’s foundation really is.

As the salaries of coaches and athletic directors escalate, while the players’ income remains stuck at zero, it’s not hard to imagine a point when the players finally say, “Enough.”

So, obviously, as the gap grows between the talent and the management, if you will, the long-held practice of not giving players a cut of the cash becomes harder and harder to defend. But I still believe there are compelling reasons not to, because once that line is crossed, a big element of what we love about college football – and why a study commissioned by Martin shows UM football fans have much less interest in professional sports – will be lost, and I believe lost forever.

From the book:

These hypotheticals would be largely academic if millions of fans did not prefer college football to the pros. Why do they?

College teams were organically and spontaneously created more than a century ago by the students, just for fun.

The NFL and all its teams since were created by league executives, lawyers, and chief marketing officers, just for profit.

Almost every Division I college football team predates the oldest NFL teams by three or four decades. Most schools built their current stadiums before most NFL teams built their first—or second, or third. College football is one of those few passions we have in common with our great-grandparents.

College teams play on college campuses, where students actually go to school. The students feel as connected to these campuses as they do to their homes—and this connection typically lasts for life. That also goes for the jocks, who live in the same dorms as the geeks; they take classes in the same buildings; and they eat at the same pizza and burger joints everyone else does. Just about anyone who went to college has a story about running into the big man on campus.

NFL players make millions and live in gated communities. You’re not likely to meet them, no matter how many years you pay to watch them play. Their teams play in big cities, and they don’t have homecoming games.

College teams never threaten to change their colors or move to Oklahoma City if you don’t build them a new stadium—at taxpayer expense. No, they play in the nation’s oldest, grandest stadiums, surrounded by lush green lawns, old trees, and two-story homes where students live. They have marching bands and fight songs and quirky customs that go back a century.

NFL teams play in sanitized, soulless domes—usually subsidized by the taxpayers—with loud scoreboards that tell you exactly what to yell and exactly when to yell it, all surrounded by vast oceans of asphalt.

Pro teams choose their players, but college players choose their teams— which leads to another major difference: universities, because they started long before their football teams, represent a particular set of values, priorities, and strengths that stamp the teams that wear their name. It was for this very reason the Big Ten presidents formed their conference. If these players were going to represent their schools, they reasoned, they should do so honorably.

In 1941, Michigan’s legendary Fielding Yost said at his retirement banquet, “My heart is so full at this moment and I am so overcome by the rush of memories that I fear I could say little more. But do let me reiterate . . . the Spirit of Michigan. It is based upon a deathless loyalty to Michigan and all her ways; an enthusiasm that makes it second nature for Michigan men to spread the gospel of their university to the world’s distant outposts; a conviction that nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours.”

When college teams compete, it isn’t just a game between two teams. We see it as a battle between two ways of life. Is there a single professional team that can claim anything like this?

This is why, when schools are caught violating NCAA rules, it bruises the identity of their fans. But when the New England Patriots were caught filming opponents’ hand signals, did their fans hang their heads in shame? No, it was just a passing nuisance.

Professional teams don’t stand for anything more than a can of pop. The players go on strike, the owners lock them out, and they repeat the cycle every five or ten years, as needed, for more money. Their fans respond in kind, often caring less about the actual teams in their state than the fantasy teams on their computers—or the point spreads in their paper, and the wallets in their back pockets.

College football fans actually care about college football, not just its parts. The two fan bases are not motivated by the same things.

Of the over 100 FBS Division I teams, not one has ever moved, gone on strike, or been locked out. Ever.

College athletes are more passionate playing for a scholarship than pro athletes are playing for millions. And we admire them more for this very reason. It’s the difference between citizen soldiers volunteering for the army and hired Hessians. Give us the doughboys, the G.I. Joes, and the grunts fighting for a cause.

And this is why we watch: not for perfection, but passion—the same reason over a million fans watch the Little League World Series every summer. This point is easily proven: the worst team in the NFL would crush the best team in college football, every year. Yet college football is the only sport in the world that draws more fans to its games than the big league teams it feeds. The attendance at Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State home games typically averages 50 percent more than that of the NFL teams in those states—and often doubles it. No minor league baseball or hockey team comes close to matching the attendance of their parent clubs.

This basic truth escapes both the proponents of paying players and the NCAA executives who try to squelch minor leagues from starting: college football is selling romance, not prowess. If ability were the only appeal, we’d move NFL games to Saturday and watch those games instead. But if you lose the romance of college football, you will lose the fans of college football.

It might be one thing to give the players a stipend so they can afford a new pair of jeans, a nice dinner, and a trip home once in a while – which actually was suggested to the NCAA four decades ago, and almost passed. But I do believe, if college football goes “pro,” it becomes just a minor league for the NFL. And no minor league, anywhere, can compete with the top levels of any sport. If that happens, the days of Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State drawing twice as many fans as the nearest NFL counterparts might be over.

I’ll be presenting a more detailed version of the “Bacon Plan,” if you will, to solve this conundrum very soon, and will obviously let the readers of MGoBlog know when I do.

How does Bill O'Brien really feel about Tim Beckman?

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Bill O’Brien, characteristically, was completely disciplined on the matter of Illinois head coach Tim Beckman sending assistants to State College to recruit his players the day after the sanctions hit. But his players were far more willing to tell me how they felt about Coach Beckman, one of the many private scenes the players gave me for this project.

From the book:

“Penn State’s first Big Ten opponent, Illinois, entered the game with the same 2-2 record as the Lions, with bad losses against Arizona State and Louisiana Tech. The Illini were led by first-year head coach Tim Beckman— the man who flew eight coaches out to State College in late July to scoop up as many transfers as he could get. Despite the effort, he got exactly one: freshman Ryan Nowicki, a scout team offensive lineman. Beckman did, however, manage to become the focal point of the Penn State players’ rage, which they intended to release in full when they visited Memorial Stadium on September 29.

“They were basically trying to break up our team,” said Jordan Hill, who actually drove around Penn State’s campus like a cowboy herding cattle when he heard Illinois’s coaches were afoot. “And really, not only our team, but our brotherhood.”

“I’ve never seen a locker room so intense, so on a mission,” [longtime equipment manager] Spider Caldwell said, grinning. “I almost felt sorry for Illinois. I knew what was coming. And our guys did not disappoint!”

[Senior linebacker Mike] Mauti led the charge, getting a sack, forcing a fumble, and making two interceptions. One of them he returned 99 yards before getting tack- led by their wide receiver on the 1-yard line.

Mauti—still overflowing with anger—stayed out for Penn State’s punt team and launched himself downfield on a 60-yard sprint. The Illini sent a receiver to block Mauti, who launched the poor guy into next week, then blew up the returner. “There’s no better feeling than that.”

Well, maybe one.

Before the game, Mauti promised himself he would find Coach Beckman and personally tell him to fuck off. When Mauti finally caught eyes with him, however, he opted for a bit more discretion, spitting on the ground in front of him. That, and Mauti’s sack, forced fumble, and two interceptions, he reasoned, “are the best fuck-yous available.”

What is a program's 'culture' and does it really have an impact on performance?

Great question, and one that I’ve been thinking about since the Rodriguez era. As Rodriguez himself said to his staff, minutes after being fired, “It was a bad fit from the start.”

As unpleasant as it surely was for all parties involved – including the fans -- I think everybody learned a lot about what it really takes for a coach and his staff to succeed at a big time college program, on all sides. AS I write, “Unlike their NFL counterparts, the best college coaches are not interchangeable parts. You don’t simply install one here or there, flick a switch, and watch them light up the college football world. Too often, schools embark on a blind date, with neither party knowing enough about the other before heading to the altar. Las Vegas weddings tend to end in Las Vegas divorces—just ask the people at Michigan. Both sides had better know what they’re getting into and be ready, willing, and able to bridge the gap between them.”

This idea was quickly confirmed by Brady Hoke at his first press conference, where the relatively unknown coach won over the faithful in a matter of minutes by demonstrating that he knew Michigan’s culture, he respected it, and he was there to protect it.

While Penn State was surely a unique case this past season, the need to know the college’s culture, and preserve it, is just as high at Northwestern and Ohio State.

“I don’t know what being Ohio State means,” Pat Fitzgerald told me. “I never played there. I’ve never coached there. But I do know what being Northwestern means. And we know how to find the kind of people who will appreciate it.”

As Brandon McCurry, a twenty-eight year old Buckeye fan, who now lives in Jacksonville, told me, “Urban Meyer’s been the best fit with his school since [Nick] Saban went to Alabama. He’s a Buckeye through and through, born and bred. Cooper couldn’t beat Michigan because he didn’t understand the culture.”

It doesn’t matter in the pros, but it matters in college. But I believe Michigan fans know that better than anyone.

What does the "U" stand for?

My middle name. ;-)

OTHER INTERESTING STUFF

There are many things, of course, you didn’t ask about – because you obviously can’t know what’s in the book – that I think you’ll find interesting reading, including:

-Michigan’s unequaled love for Brady Hoke, from the players to the fans.

-Michigan’s games against Alabama, Notre Dame, Illinois (with the alumni band) Homecoming (the alumni band), Michigan State, Minnesota, Northwestern (with the Mudbowl), Ohio State and South Carolina.

-Candid interviews with former Band Director Scott Boerma, Bill Martin, and former U-M president James Duderstadt, who told me, “Brandon always says he’s ‘building the brand.’ But of what? Dave Brandon. That’s the brand he’s building.”

-An eye-opening analysis of the athletic department’s budget, and where your money is going.

-And a lot of good insights from you, the fans, who I still believe are the most passionate, and sophisticated, in college football. Call it brown-nosing if you will, but I’ve had as much contact as anyone with you, and I stand by it.

Thanks, as always, for your smart questions.

See you at the tailgates.

-John U. Bacon

johnubacon.com

Comments

Brodie

September 5th, 2013 at 4:29 PM ^

Go to any MAC stadium this Saturday and count the block M's and O's and I's and S's, etc. These aren't people with the romantic notions about the sport that Bacon is selling... it doesn't matter to them that Devin Gardner eats lunch at Bandito's or that these teams have existed since 1880something. These are fandoms born from the same place as pro sports fandoms... geography, strong branding and success. Once you break down the myth of why people actually follow Michigan and Ohio and their ilk, Bacon's view seems increasingly irrational when cotrasted with Brandon's. 

M-Wolverine

September 5th, 2013 at 2:14 PM ^

This is the guy who instituted the first major ticket price increase, started seat licenses, got the towers built for the really rich, and now he's all about not sticking it to the little guy? Is anyone taking that seriously?

And let's not act like Bill was sitting coach because he was worried about passing on the cost to fans. He was notoriously cheap. Dude used to shut the lights off in open athletic buildings and have his staff take the stairs instead of the elevator to save on the electricity costs. 

Also a guy who was more than willing to sell land to the University which let them buy out the nearby Blimpy Burger area, so his concern for tradition over a buck is hard to swallow.

bronxblue

September 5th, 2013 at 2:29 PM ^

The story of Martin on his boat when the coaching fiasco before RR joined the staff told me all I needed to know about his tenure.

Brandon's naked capitalism is what bothers people, but he certainly isn't the first AD to look at the UM fanbase with dollar signs in his eyes.

Bando Calrissian

September 5th, 2013 at 2:33 PM ^

I'll admit the Bill Martin sections of the book made me do a double-take, because he says the right things, but that's not always the kind of image he put forth during his tenure. Like, at all. But at the end of the day, if you look at the kinds of things he did for Michigan, it was at least commensurate with the kind of culture and spirit (however idealized) that we were used to, especially after four straight fairly dysfunctional AD's. His project was a renovation project, not just of buildings, but of people and the instutition itself. One of the most shocking parts of the book for me was seeing just how drastic the culture change has been between the Martin and Brandon administrations.

Honestly, even beyond his business acumen, Bill Martin is a guy who at least understands and appreciated what we love about Michigan. And his experience with the USOC at least gave him some understanding about how athletics administration works. He may have faltered at times (RR, Tommy Amaker, Cheryl Burnett, etc.), but I think he honestly felt he was doing the best things for Michigan. The big picture is ultimately good.

I'm not fully convinced Dave Brandon excels on these fronts. Michigan Athletics is a product, just as a large pepperoni Domino's pizza is a product. To him, it's just applying the same tried-and-true business principles in a new venue, and unfortunately, that's just not the most successful way to do things when you're working in a collegiate athletics setting. The kind of connection I have to Michigan as both a fan and an alum is a lot different than the kind of connection I have to anything else, and that relationship requires a different kind of administrative touch. 

jmblue

September 5th, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

But at the end of the day, if you look at the kinds of things he did for Michigan, it was at least commensurate with the kind of culture and spirit (however idealized) that we were used to
Hmmm. When we added luxury boxes and club seating to the stadium, many argued that it was exactly the opposite of what you're claiming - that it was violating our mission and "egalitarian" traditions of having everyone in the bowl, rich and poor, and so on. I don't personally have a problem with the boxes, but they do represent a change and seemed to signal that we needed the stadium to reach a new level of revenue generation. I'm not sure Brandon has changed anything quite that drastically.

M-Wolverine

September 5th, 2013 at 4:18 PM ^

Wasn't he the AD when the Brandon-like trial balloon of "The Game - Michigan vs. Ohio State, presented by AT&T" was floated out there? He got killed for it then and it quickly went away, but it's the exact same thing Brandon does that cheeses people off. I'm not surprised people have selective memories about Martin (and he did do a lot of good too); I'm just surprised that he is publicly doing such an about face.  Frankly I'm kinda shocked he even talked to Bacon after Bacon skewered him in the last book. But Bill is an odd duck.

ChiBlueBoy

September 5th, 2013 at 2:15 PM ^

As has been said, only in sex and sports is it deemed preferable to be an amateur. In both cases, there are reasons for that, some good and some not. With regard to college athletics, Mr. Bacon states it well. College football harkens to a time of innocence and a sport that was created by its players purely for fun. No matter how different the results, watching games reminds me of playing pee wee football and loving every second of running around, dodging friends, and happily dancing into the endzone or smashing a running back.

I'll speak solely for myself, but I would gladly give up some of the marketing and quality of the play in order to maintain a sense that these are students first and athletes second. Whether our OL weigh 310 or 210, and whether each can lift 400 lbs or 300 lbs, make relatively little difference to me, as long as the playing field is level and the students play for love of school and teammates.

bronxblue

September 5th, 2013 at 2:32 PM ^

But to be fair, schools in general fund lots of programs that are cash losers for them but are maintained because of tradition, PR, etc.  Schools love opening up medical, law, and business schools because they bring in tons of money from tuition, research, etc., and engineering programs are usually the first or second-biggest income generator for schools.  With that money they are able to fund your various Literature & Arts degrees, because while they are undoubtedly useful for maintaining an informed and well-read society, I imagine that the History department is a cash loser for most universities, as one example.

chitownblue2

September 5th, 2013 at 2:37 PM ^

Absolutely. Colleges are large amalgams of profitable and unprofitable departments. I'm just attempting to point out that, for instance, you can't tell the STEM fields to stop chasing research dollars and have an expectation that you'll be able to staff your English department the same way you do now.

ChiBlueBoy

September 5th, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^

Lots (most) FB programs do not make money, yet the schools haven't collapsed or given up on non-revenue sports. Neither Title IX nor any other requirement says that revenue sports have to fund non-revenue sports. There is no absolute, universal law that says that the athletic department must make a profit, or that all athletic departments must be lumped together and, in the aggregate, be revenue neutral.

Let's start with the goal of a university--educating interesting people. Athletics is a part of that. There is nothing wrong with a university funding athletics and giving scholarships to some individuals based on athletic, intellectual or other abilities or demographics (e.g., that a person's parents also attended the school or that they are from an under-represented part of the world). Having sports just to have sports seems silly. Having sports because they build morale, help develop interesting, well-rounded individuals and they are fun is great. If FB didn't make a profit, UM would survive. I even think we could field one or two other teams that didn't make money.

I don't question the value of the team. I don't question that it brings in revenue. I question that only by paying coaches millions of dollars, having the finest athletes on the planet, and marketing the hell out of it will we make money. Even if those things were required, I question whether making money off of student athletes is required to meeting the goal of educating interesting people.

WindyCityBlue

September 5th, 2013 at 2:24 PM ^

I know a lot of people who are poo-pooing the current trajectory of our athletic department with regards to how it impacts our long held traditions.   But the fact that we are using market economics is truly unlocking the value of our school "brand" and its working wonderfully.

Dave Brandon.  Keep on keeping my friend.  And haters gonna hate!

dahblue

September 5th, 2013 at 2:27 PM ^

Good stuff.  I wonder if the OSU fan claiming Urban to be new-jack-Jesus knew that Urban left himself open to coaching at Michigan and OSU.  What's more "Buckeye" than hypocrisy, right?

Side note...Brandon in limos.  C'mon dude.  There's just no need, and it's not the Michigan way.  Our leaders should be understated, just like the Block M.

Wolverine 73

September 5th, 2013 at 2:56 PM ^

Limos in NY are ubiquitous, and not what you may be thinking of.  They can be older Lincolns that have seen better days, or maybe fancy SUV's.  They don't cost a whole lot more than cabs cost, and the drivers are typically sane, which is worth the extra money.  Now, I suppose he could be driving around in something really fancy, but if he is taking the kind of limo typically seen on the streets, this is not a big deal.

Vote_Crisler_1937

September 5th, 2013 at 3:15 PM ^

Do you think DB would appreciate me referring him to Uber so we both get $10 off our next limo ride in NYC or Chicago?

/sarcasm

on a serious note the donor jet vs flying coach. If it's a donor who is providing the jet couldnt that be cheaper than paying for coach? Does said donor pick up the cost?

dahblue

September 6th, 2013 at 10:05 AM ^

I once crawled out from under my rock and heard about this limo you speak of...And no, I don't think Brandon is rocking the Carmel car.  I'm sure he's rolling in a very nice towncar.  That's not such a big deal (given that almost any traveling exec would do the same), but he certainly gives off the air of a guy who gets part of "it", but not all of it.  My best example would be his simplifying (perhaps, clarifying) the Block M, while at the same time introducing childish uniformz.

Everyone Murders

September 5th, 2013 at 2:47 PM ^

It seems at times that Bacon becomes overly-sympathetic to those who will spend time with him, and ends up relaying their gripes without a balanced consideration of opposing views.  I like his work (and thought Three and Out was very well-done).  But it's as though his familiarity outweighs his objectivity at points.  This seems especially clear in the PSU bits.  Of course the PSU players were pissed that coaches were trying to pick apart their team, but it seems Bacon brushes off a bit quickly why coaches were able to do so.  The PSU players are collateral victims there, but institutionally PSU deserved all that and more.

That stated, I love Duderstadt's quote on Dave Brandon.  I love the Hoke hire (didn't at the time) and several of his other moves, and acknowledge he's filled the coffers.  But his CEO mindset seems to be very near-term, with little consideration for the long-term effects of his decisions.

Anyway, I remain a Bacon fan.  It just seems he gets a bit swayed by the narratives of those allowed close to him.  OSU and PSU seemed to have noticed that - perhaps from the light hand RichRod got in the earlier book - and gave him access where they needed good publicity.

Toasted Yosties

September 5th, 2013 at 2:29 PM ^

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2009-12-16-dominos16_ST_N.htm

Interesting quote from a consultant on the Domino's Pizza brand changing.

"Once you've built a brand, that's your brand," says Gordon. "To change it means that everything you've stood for isn't right."

Not sure if this applies to Michigan, but it did make me wonder if what the Michigan brand stands for has changed since Dave's arrival, and if what it stood for before wasn't "right."  I believe what is right in the eyes of the college football powers-that-be would be producing the greatest amount of financial gain from an athletic program as possible. While I do love many of the changes I've seen in Michigan since Dave's arrival, it does seem Michigan is much more in line with college football's value of money than it was during Bill Martin's era.  I love the direction Michigan is heading athletically, in both the revenue and non-revenue sports, but I do question its worth when it becoming increasingly difficult for many to afford the price of tickets and concessions.  I can tolerate where things are today, but I'm worried where they'll be five or 10 years down the road.

danimal1968

September 5th, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^

dates back at least to Don Canham, who was the first to slap a block M on anything that could be sold.

Bill Martin was the one who came up with the PSD program, and numerous ticket price increases occurred on his watch.   It's a little comical to see him express concerns about those things now. 

These trends have continued under Brandon but he is not the one who came up with them.

 

Michigan4Life

September 5th, 2013 at 2:35 PM ^

on when NCAA laid the hammer down on PSU and how the players are united by it.  This is pure college football at its best, the united team working together toward a common goal.  The fact that they were able to generate a winning season when it could've easily fallen apart is amazing all by itself.  This is another reason why Bill O'Brien is highly regarded by NFL people and will be on the short list of the HC job after 2013-2014 season.

Michigan4Life

September 5th, 2013 at 2:46 PM ^

where they had nothing to do with the Sandusky scandal and simply were a victim of NCAA's ban hammer.  They all could've left without consequences (I believe two or three players did) and they all stayed for the school and the team.  That is college football at its best.  That's exactly what I mean.

VAWolverine

September 5th, 2013 at 2:49 PM ^

does very well in front of the camera. It would not surprise me if ESPN enticed him to be on one of its existing shows or created one for him, at least as a reoccuring guest. He would be a great fit on "The Sports Reporters".

charblue.

September 5th, 2013 at 2:51 PM ^

the connection between the faith of fandom and the faith of the world in the US dollar, which is periously near collapse as an international currency standard. 

The tipping point for the dollar may already be at hand. Whether it happens in college football will, at the very least, be heralded by the outcome of a pending lawsuit that the NCAA cannot win. So, what will it mean if its proven the NCAA and its member programs discriminate against players and profit at their expense beyond the realm of understanding? Tipping point or debating point in an endless discussion about what's right and fair? 

The fact is, and I would suggest John consider this, that beyond the passion and price of attending college football or basketball games, those that can afford it and live for it --and this is a pretty good percentage of the Michigan fan base, in my opinion-- regard it as the price of loyalty. 

The tipping point comes when the economy and dollar put the cost of  zealotry and fandom loyalty beyond the pale of reason or possibility. 

The NFL has already crossed that threshold by simply making their biggest game, a game of thrones fit for corporate kingdoms, not the jersyed rabble who fill their stadiums, built largely on the public dole. 

Like John also notes about the culture of the game and what it means to be a fan of a certain college program, you grow up with this understanding. It is instilled through time, historical reference, shared memory, enduring tradition, and respected achievement. I know what it means to be a Wolverine, even if I never went to the school. And I honor the history and accomplishments of the program and school with the same passion as any alum. I haven't missed a game in 20 years, live or otherwise. And I know there are thousands of others  who can easily beat that claim. 

 

Colin M

September 5th, 2013 at 3:34 PM ^

I think the analogy is pretty weak. Fiat currency works because citizens can pay their taxes with it. The exchange rate is simply a market price determined by supply and demand. Moreover, currency devaluation isn't always a bad thing (and a strong dollar isn't always good) - it depends on the circumstances that cause changes the exchange rate to fall. 

 

gbdub

September 5th, 2013 at 7:28 PM ^

You can definitely have currency collapses / hyperinflation though. See: the Confederacy, the Weimar Republic, etc. These tend to happen quickly and happen in spite of the fact that the government still accepts the currency.

Ultimately, fiat currency does require a critical mass of people to have faith in the stability and solvency of the government that issues it. Without that faith, people stop taking the currency for private debts and its value collapses. That's what Bacon is referring to.

Colin M

September 6th, 2013 at 12:11 AM ^

Almost all examples of hyperinflation occur after a war or some other catastrophe have already massively disrupted the economy and destroyed large quantities of capital and infrastructure. Superficially the analogy makes a little sense, but I think it breaks down rather quickly.

Erik_in_Dayton

September 5th, 2013 at 2:55 PM ^

When I think of Brandon, I think of the fact that he hired Coach Hoke, defended and retained Coach Beilein when Michigan was struggling, and hired Coach Barnes Arico.  He's been right on the three biggest decisions of his career as AD.  I haven't loved everything he's done, and maybe I miss things not being in AA, but I have a hard time not starting and stopping my evaluation of him by considering and crediting his decisions re: the above three coaches.  

MGoBender

September 5th, 2013 at 4:05 PM ^

While I agree with the Hoke and Barnes Arico points, nobody in their right mind was going to even consider axing Beilein.  Even after the 2010 season where they missed the tourney.  Only stupid talk radio callers were considering that.  On campus, everyone knew that Beilein was there for the long haul.

Erik_in_Dayton

September 5th, 2013 at 4:33 PM ^

I remember some pretty unhappy people when Michigan started 1-6 in the Big Ten that year.  These people might not have been in their right minds, and perhaps I'm just crediting Brandon for being sane in a sports sense, but I'm okay with that.  I was very happy when Brandon said of firing Beilein "Why would I do that?  I'd have to find another coach just like him."   

Many ADs are not in their right minds in the way we're using those words.  Lane Kiffin is the head coach of USC, for example, and - worse yet for us - Brian Ellerbe was once the head MBB coach at Michigan.  I'm thus willing to praise common sense. 

RHammer - SNRE 98

September 5th, 2013 at 5:59 PM ^

thinking the Regents' choice of the next President of the University will be key.  It seems to me they are likely happy with Brandon, for the most part, given many of the reasons stated in some of the first comments above.  However, while I presume the next President will be supportive, he/she should be strong enough to be able to call him out (privately or publically, depending on the situation) if he ever crosses the line (eg. commercial ads creeping closer than the Branoodle, etc.).

I am partial to Bollinger, partially because he was President while I was a student and invited us into his house after some key victories, but more importantly because he seemed to have a level head on his shoulders when it came to the appropriate balance of academic rigor and athletics within a university of our statute and tradition.  This is not to sanction any particular decision (hiring or otherwise) Bollinger made (that's a separate thread, but perhaps quite a boring one) with respect to ADs, but someone like him that would support the good Brandon does (for the department and the University) while standing up to him and not backing down if/when that was ever necessary, seems like a good target (from this particular perspective; obviously there are myriad other things to consider when hiring a new University President).

RHammer - SNRE 98

September 6th, 2013 at 12:40 PM ^

from Mr. Goss being a clear and terrible error by all parties... again, merely trying to articulate a presidential "type" to the extent that is possible; definitely not hoping for a return of the larger-than-human sized letters placed on top of a gaudy yellow ring of terribleness around our most sacred hole in the ground...

M-Wolverine

September 6th, 2013 at 3:52 PM ^

Just saying that I'm not sure he "got" Michigan athletics any more than Brandon gets credit for. And he hired the worst AD ever in Goss.

You want a president who "gets" the relationship between athletics and academics, you don't have to look very far.  For possible faults elsewhere, Mary Sue seems to know how to balance involvement there.  You'd have to go back to someone like Fleming to find someone else who did as good of a job.

Big Brown Jug

September 5th, 2013 at 2:56 PM ^

"So, obviously, as the gap grows between the talent and the management, if you will, the long-held practice of not giving players a cut of the cash becomes harder and harder to defend. But I still believe there are compelling reasons not to, because once that line is crossed, a big element of what we love about college football – and why a study commissioned by Martin shows UM football fans have much less interest in professional sports – will be lost, and I believe lost forever."

 

Oh good lord. This whole misty-eyed tradition-is-everything argument has got to go.  You just spent three paragraphs and two blockquotes convincingly explaining how obnoxious the lifestyle disparity between athletes and administrators has become, then try to rationalize it with oak trees and grandfathers.  

College football hasn't been an egalitarian activity for decades now.  Four+ years of (occasionally literally) back-breaking work contributing to a profitable enterprise despite zero pay, in perpetuity, is about as un-American as it gets.  

Brodie

September 5th, 2013 at 4:12 PM ^

I do wonder how much the Michigan football section at my local Target really has to do with people's great grandfathers and the accessability of college athletes as opposed to having to do with Michigan being better than the Lions since ever (and ditto Ohio State and their local NFL teams) .