Here is an article Ivan posted today.
Ivan Maisel Article about Michigan
Lots of PR rolling in lately for the Michigan program; let's hope the spring game turns out to be respectable and enjoyable.
"We're probably going to start a couple of freshmen on defense."
Who do you think he's talking about here? Vlad Emilien looks like a reasonable bet to be a starter; that's one. Any thoughts on who the other potential freshmen defensive starters are?
I'd say Turner is a strong possibility.
If the corner play is as erratic as has been reported there is a strong possibility that Turner pushes for playing time. Although, I have been hearing that Boo Boo is starting to come into his own.
I think Will Campbell is probably the best bet.
From everything I hear/read from coaches, they love his talent but think he's got a LONG way to go in terms of conditioning and technique.
Apparently Cass Tech's instructions for Will were akin to saying "alright, just go act like Fezzik in the middle of the line and you'll probably get some sacks and definitely disrupt the play."
Pure speculation, but my guess is that Will loses 20-25 lbs of fat (and maybe adds 15 lbs of muscle) by fall and gets some second string work to start off. I see it being a little less than what Mike Martin got last year.
3 years from now, though, Will Campbell could be positively Branch-ian.
Will has no chance of losing 20-25lbs of fat and gaining 15lbs of muscle by fall. Maybe in his career here.
I agree Will is going to be a monster with a few years in the S&C program though.
You can safely lose 1-2 lbs of fat a week. You can't, however, gain 15 lbs of muscle at the same time. 20 weeks or so until the season. He can easily lose the weight, but I'd put muscle gain at around 5 lbs tops.
But I disagree. He will probably lose about 15-20lbs of fat before the fall and will gain 10 lbs of muscle if he does the right things. When I played, DIII, I came in at 215 and in 4 years was at 305. I never took Creatine or any other suppliment. I ate the startchy foods in the cafeteria and maybe a couple pizza's a week. My fat count went up but I would say that my muscle went up more. (I can't remember my body fat counts but I know they went up.....while my bench went up by about 60%.) I don't know the exact numbers, but I can bet that out of the 90lbs I gained in 4 years, at least half of it was muscle. So what does that mean? I have no frickin clue other than I think big Will can add muscle faster than you think.
90lbs in 4 years. 50% which is muscle. 45 lbs of muscle in 4 years. roughly 11.25 lbs per year. Round up to 12lbs per year. That's a lb a month. Big Will has 5 months until the season. So he'll probably, by your math, gain 5lbs of muscle, and 5lbs of fat along with it.
Also, I said he's lose the 15-20lbs no problem, but I pegged his muscle gain at closer to 5lbs. Based on the your own math, that's probably reasonable given the expectation it's lean muscle as he sheds 15-20 lbs.
However, his "math" was also based on a 2-pizza a week diet and a D-III S&C program.
I'm willing to give Barwis some leverage.
...was pretty good. We got bigger and faster, I can't imagine what a Barwis program looks and feels like! Yikes. We had spring conditioning class 3 days a week, and every day at 3:30 you can bet that I would rather ride a bike without a seat the minute we hit the gym floor.
...Jan-August. Barwis should be able to throw more than a lb/month on the Otter. So lets round it to 10lbs of muscle by the first game and call it good. Either way, he needs to get leaner and then he will be all set.
In fact, I'm a vegetarian endurance athlete, so I'm waaay over my head in terms of muscle gain/weightlifting. But a couple points in response:
1. My 20-25 lbs trim and 10-15 lbs gain estimate were not based on the time between today and the first game, I was just speculating that that amount of change was possible in the period from January to the first game, so about 9 months. I could very well still be wrong, but it wasn't based on the 20 week window.
2. Since I know next to nothing about weight training, I was also basing my guesses on this old Barwis interview with Rittenberg: http://tr.im/ixjz Barwis mentions that in his first chunk of time with Brandon Graham, from January to July, he took BG from 287 to 250 and then rebuilt him to 269. (That's 27 lbs off and 19 lbs readded for all you Sociology majors) I don't know how much muscle and fat was added/subtracted, but the 25 and 15 I offered, IMHO, seemed conservative, especially if Will is in worse shape than BG was (highly likely).
I'll take the back seat in this discussion with any MGoBoarders, however, since it's almost guaranteed you all know more about this than I.
2 things: First, I was a sociology major. I take offense to that comment. Second, eat a fucking steak man. God made meat delicious for a reason.
You can't be a sociology major because you're using your my-daddy-paid-for-it MacBook to browse a website that isn't Facebook or Yahoo/Google mail.
And in re: meat-eating. Totally agree that steak is delicious. I'm not one of those pretentious assholes who made the decision based on some ambush-PETA video in a college class. I did it first b/c I was challenged/dared by a friend. Now I stick to the diet just because I feel better and its easier to pack for on a multi-day backpacking trip. No other reason.
So roast up the juicy bratwursts this Saturday at the Spring Game, guys. This veghead in Colorado wishes he was there to kill a few beers with the MGoMafia.
The Ottor was around 320 according to the recruiting websites. Now I weigh around 190 about 12% body fat index. I can only loose about 2-3 pounds a week (If I wanted) and stay healthy. Now 320 is a ton more so, 1. it's a lot easier for him to loose that 20-25. I'd say 5-7 pounds a week is possible while staying healthy and wouldn't have a negative effect on his performance(it's all about the diet). Say average 6 pounds a week, that a little over 3 weeks. 2. the muscle, I'm on a what i consider a pretty strict workout plan and since january I've put on 6 pounds of muscle.( and that's my own plan, nothing near a barwis plan)
Say he's down to 300 and i assume he already is, but idk. That gives him 4 months to put on 10-15 pounds of muscle, which is 10x harder than loosing weight, but I'm confident if he stays determined to get on the field come fall he can do it. So I agree with snowden, WC can loose 20lbs and gain 10lbs of muscle especially since you can do BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!
And also completely against the proven method of bulking and cutting. You can't bulk and cut at the same time, but you can do both in the same timeFRAME.
Adding size (regardless of whether it is fat or muscle) requires the intake of calories. Losing size (regardless of whether it is fat or muscle) requires your body to operate at a caloric deficit. It is impossible to lose fat and gain muscle simultaneously. You can gain muscle, then cut fat.
For the record, this is not a macbook. I'm a PC. And if by daddy-paid-for-it you mean employer-paid-for-it, then yes.
Just so you know. Barwis confirmed on WTKA today that Will has already lost 30 lbs. He was 355 and is now down to 325.
My main reason for saying that isn't necessarily based on Will's readiness as much as the lack of quality personnel ahead of him. Mike Martin will start, no doubt about it. Who is the second one? Sagesse? I haven't heard a peep about him. Helmuth? All I've heard about him is he got fat and needs to drop some weight. Last year he was playing offense. Who do you foresee playing ahead of WC in the other DT spot?
Campbell is probably behind Sagesse at this point, in terms of production.
Anyway, with only three defensive linemen, the depth concerns at DT don't matter as much. The starters will probably be Graham, Martin, and Van Bergen with the rest of the DL rotating in.
Turner is a H.S. cornerback big enough to play safety and do some damage.
Second coming of Charles Woodson or Don Rogers?
I was under the impression he was a big HS safety with enough speed and cover skills to play corner (which I think is more impressive than the other way around).
I love the kid, his interview at the AAA game was so smooth.
A couple might only mean two. Turner could certainly come in and start. Cissoko has not had the greatest spring by all accounts, so Turner might come in there and take his spot. Brandon Smith is way behind at safety but he is in the two-deep. I think Roh may get a lot of PT if they use him at that spinner position. Or, Bell may get a lot of work at one of the hybrid spots, as well.
I agree on Vlad but assume that he's including redshirts in the defense quote. (Notice he said "true freshman" QB, "freshman" on D)
Strong possibilities: Fitzgerald, B. Smith
Fitzgerald is a sophomore.
B. Smith has been passed up by Emilien in recent practices.
You're right on Fitz; my mistake.
Re: Vlad--I read Scout too. We'll see if things stay as they are currently. I think they will want to put Turner somewhere, but it's not clear at what spot. Maybe he pushes Woolfolk at FS? Shoves Cissoko aside at CB? Nickel?
I don't read Scout.
I think Turner will be a corner. We have very little depth at corner, and I personally think Turner has a good shot at beating out Cissoko.
where do you get that Emilien has passed Brandon Smith? I've head that Emilien has done extremely well and there's a possibility that he could start. But Smith is a beast back there and is expected to contribute immediately. The only reason he didn't play last season was b/c of some freak injury/illness (i can't remember off the top of my head).
RR said he might be too slow. Word on the street.
Rumor is B. Smith might be moved to linebacker due to lack of speed.
It's been a pretty common point of discussion on Rivals for the last several days.
Appendicitis is the freak injury/disease you were looking for.
I hope B. Smith stays at safety because he looks like an intimidating safety. No offense to T. Woolfolk, who I'm sure will be a viable option, but I just don't see him being a factor in run support like a Smith or Emilien (eventually) would be.
On another note, does anyone here like fishsticks?
I love them as much as my 4 year old daughter, they tend to stink up the house though. And if you eat too many, they make you sick.
What are you a gay fish??
I am a genius and know fish have gils and i don't so i can't be a fish. I am a musical GENIUS so I know I'm not gay. Therefore I can not be a gay fish.
Woolfolk is a FS and Emilien/Smith are strong safeties. So regardless of whether Smith stays at SS or not, Woolfolk's situation shouldn't change.
Minor rushed for 533 yards last season, despite a right wrist that hurt so much he couldn't carry the ball in his right hand.
No wonder the guy had some issues hanging onto the ball.
This is what I was trying to say from a couple games into the season. He was suddenly carrying the ball almost exclusively with his left hand.
Actually, my top concern with Minor entering the 2008 season was that he had a tendency to fumble. I don't know the numbers off-hand, but it seemed to me that he fumbled quite frequently when relieving Mike Hart. I tried to look them up, but ESPN's stats on him give him ZERO fumbles (lost or otherwise) for 2006 through 2008. Gotta love ESPN.
As someone who has completely investigated this concern, and had several arguments over it, let me put it to rest: Brandon Minor HAD a tendency to fumble. He wasn't securing the ball properly and also had a busted up hand. He no longer has a busted up hand and from what I saw he clamps down on the ball Mike Hart style now.
TL;DR - Minor's fumble rate is very likely average for a RB now.
Thanks for that info. However, having completely investigated it, do you have any stats? I like stats because I'm an engineer. From Michigan. In Ann Arbor.
If you search, I have a post somewhere about it. I went through old game logs to count his and Grady's fumbles, then used the ESPN carry totals. Turns out, Grady wasn't the fumbler I had remembered, but Minor was a bit rough.
I found the stats, thanks. They were worse than I had remembered. The way he ended the season was certainly encouraging, though.
Can you direct me to the stats, because I can't find them anymore.
I found several discussions on the topic. Below is one of them in which you provided stats for fumbles as a percentage of carries early last year...
Oh god that thread still makes my head hurt. I still don't understand how Magnus was able to compare Minor's "Big Play Ability", which relies on the entire team, to his Fumble Rate, which is pretty much ENTIRELY dependent on Minor.
Hopefully my linking of that thread rekindles the argument. I love reading the same arguments two or three times...
I refuse to comment on Minor other than I'm looking forward to watching him rack up 1500 yards this year.
Minor ended up being our best back. He was our leading rusher. He averaged 5.2 yards per carry and led the team in TD's. He's widely considered to be our best returning back and writers from The Wolverine voted him the second-most important returning player (behind Brandon Graham). His fumbling issues dissipated somewhat toward the end of the season.
Meanwhile, other people (I don't remember if it was you, but West Texas Blue was one) who were supporting McGuffie for our "back of the future" have watched him get concussed and head off to Rice.
You can't drag my name through the mud and not expect a response. The argument was decided by statistics and the coaches. Minor was our best option at RB. End of story.
He wasn't the best option until he stopped fumbling, which was my point the whole time. You were right he was the best running back, and I was right he needed to stop fucking fumbling to play more.
Also, McGuffie was the "back of the future" because he would have had 2 years of eligibility after this year. As for Rice, you know that he had family issues the whole time he was here.
On a side note, I'd be thrilled to see Minor rack up 1,500 yards this year, and I'll even ignore your misplaced gloating when it happens. Just remember, I never said Minor sucked (well, I did, but it was because of his fumbles), I firmly said once he stopped fumbling he should be the number one back.
(I actually think a healthy Brown is our best back)
Don't call it "gloating" when you brought up my name in this thread in the first place. I was out of town for a couple days and had no access to a computer and you mentioned my name without any provocation from me, so you can't blame me for this conversation.
I know McGuffie had family issues. He also averaged 4.1 yards per carry (over a yard less than Minor) and got two or three concussions. Other than the Notre Dame game, there was very little indication that he was going to be a great running back.
I said keep putting him in there; you said to play him each game until he fumbles. You cannot coach that way. If you tell a kid, "If you fumble, I'm going to yank you," it's like telling a quarterback, "Okay, you're my quarterback, but if you throw an interception, you won't get on the field again." Kids start putting more pressure on themselves and concentrate on not making mistakes rather than making good football plays.
(If Brown could ever break a single tackle, I might agree with you.)
I said your "in the future misplaced gloating". Which I'm perfectly happy to have happen because if you're right, then our team is good.
McGuffie was a 180lb freshman behind the worst offensive line ever with no passing game. Minor clearly benefited a bit from playing later in the season as the line got better. He also was just better suited as he can break more tackles.
Despite the struggles in 2008, Rodriguez is upbeat. It is his natural front. Rodriguez may be the least self-important head coach in college football. A smile is never far away. But behind that smile there is no fiercer competitor. Here's a father who pulled his son Rhett out of T-ball a few years ago because the league didn't keep score.
"Everybody bats, and everybody scores," Rodriguez said. "At the end of four innings, there's no winner. I said, 'To hell with that.'"
Best attitude ever.
I'm listening to the WTKA live coverage of today's practice and they just interviewed Barwis...said big Will has lost 30 lbs. since arriving in January, so he's doing the right things and heading in the right direction.
agreed, he will see about as much or slightly less PT than martin last year.
I agree that he is about as ready as Martin was last year. However, Martin would have played more, except that we had senior returning starters at both DT spots. That's not a luxury we have this year.
We'll probably only have one DT on the field much of the time, though.
Martin got hurt at some point last season if memory serves. When he did play, I thought he did fairly well for a true freshman.
You must be thinking of a different Mike Martin. Michigan's Mike Martin played in all 12 games.
So I'm going to take that +1 for the Maybe-Not-So-Big Will transmogrification debate.
to lose 20ish pounds and put on 15 or so in muscle over a season. First your body starts taking out the fat with the proper diet/workout. At the same time, you will start to gain strength by the tearing of the muscles and recovery makes them come back stronger. After that, you can pack on a few lbs of muscle a week with the right program, which i dont see being a problem with barwis threatening to eat firstborns if he doesnt get the results he seeks.
"But behind that smile there is no fiercer competitor. Here's a father who pulled his son Rhett out of T-ball a few years ago because the league didn't keep score.
"Everybody bats, and everybody scores," Rodriguez said. "At the end of four innings, there's no winner. I said, 'To hell with that.'"
Like hearing that from the head coach. Go Blue.
There are freshman who are probably going to play based on need alone. The spinner position is dangerously thin. The secondary is also weak. That opens up opportunities for Lalota, Roh, Turner and Emelien, even if they would almost certainly not play if there was a more established player at that position.
Lalota plays this year and the same goes for Roh. Lalota needs technique and practice. Roh, needs to put on some weight.
"There was probably a time when you put on that winged helmet and came out of that one tunnel in the Big House, and that might have been worth 10 to 14 points right there," Rodriguez said. "That day is over. What we've got to do is try to get some of that back."
I think there's a lot of truth here. Maybe not all visitors, but I bet it used to be a handful of visiting teams dreaded/had a lot of trepidation about coming to AA. I don't think that's been the case for a while now.
It'd be nice to get back to where UM takes a few teams to the woodshed each year so teams know once Uncle Mo starts hopping on the maize and blue, things could get ugly.
All by using my patent-pending Wundercream thrice daily.
And the ladies will love the scent!