Besides, when the NCAA drops the hammer on USC and voids all of the LOIs for this years recruiting class, we can go out and grab Sean Parker [/wishful thinking]
ohio state blogs will post literally anything
As of yesterday, Michigan coaches were reported to be trying to get Dorsey in. Letter campaigns and what-not were in the process of being launched. You can keep up the campaigns if you want but know that they won't have an effect:
"He signed a letter of intent but basically what happened, I guess he didn't qualify to their standards," Jackson said. "Admissions sent him a letter that they weren't going to admit him to the school and said to disregard the other letter (of intent) and was free again to start looking at other options." …
Now, Dorsey will reopen his recruiting.
"I would like to see him stay closer to home," Jackson said. "But it's wherever he feels comfortable."
This is depressing on multiple levels. GBW's Gene Hankerson says Arkansas, WVU, Tennessee, USC, Louisville, LSU, and Miami will look at Dorsey now.
Besides, when the NCAA drops the hammer on USC and voids all of the LOIs for this years recruiting class, we can go out and grab Sean Parker [/wishful thinking]
LOL. You must have missed where Sean Parker committed to Steve Sarkisian, who coaches at a university in Seattle, Washington.
Ack! Indeed I did. I am MGoEmbarrassed. I accept my negbang with humility.
That's great on paper, but the point here isn't that we lost Dorsey, but how the University fumbled the ball AGAIN with the administrative side of running a football team. I could buy this at certain schools, but UM is the winningiest team in college football history, and has been handing out scholarships to athletes for decades. To take this long, and to make such an egregious mistake, is mind-numbing to me. I know people make mistakes and that is part of life, but the self-proclaimed "leaders and the best" should be above this.
While I agree with you, it's still ok for people to be pissed, you know?
Why would we even offer him an LOI in the first place? They obviously knew the situation.... It's absolute bullshit... I just lost a lot of respect...
I think it's one of either two things:
1. The admissions office has provided the football staff with a list of minimum requirements that every recruit must meet in order to be admitted that was either misunderstood or just ignored by Rodriguez and his coaches.
2. The admissions office is supposed to sign-off on every recruit the football staff states will be offered an LOI in order to ensure a smooth transition through the admissions process and due diligence wasn't paid in Dorsey's case.
In either case, Mary Sue and Dave Brandon need to get the U of M administration house in order. Between this and the whole thing about the CARA reports, we look like a bunch of bungling idiots.
This is unfortunate for Dorsey, as no one should get jerked around like that. At UM's end, I agree that this looks like (another) case of disorganization and miscommunication. Brandon has some work to do.
Man, I need a hug.
Best of luck to the kid.
Now that this fiasco is over we can all get back to expansion posts.
thank you, admissions. thanks for telling him he'd be good to go and then yanking the rug out from underneath him 4 moths later.
Since he is "attempting" to qualify at Marshall, he likely hasn't yet met the NCAA clearinghouse minimum. DD did, but M has a higher requirement than the minimum.
Retweet by TomVH:
RT @chengelis Am told by someone who would know that Rich Rodriguez is furious about the Demar Dorsey situation.
Like someone posted yesterday, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if at the end of the season, it is Rich Rod who tells UM... "Thanks for the opportunity, but I need to be at a University that works with me, not against me"
O let BLEW it!
He's gotten the shit end of the stick since he's arrived. Damn shame too.
1. The man has a lot of pride.
2. He probably won't get paid the remainder of his contract if he quits.
(3) 100% certain that South Carolina would pay him whatever number he asked for if he goes 9-4 this year.
I'm sure RR has all the pride in the world. But how much can he or anyone else take of people working against him? At some point, he starts to look like a fool for trying to stick it out. It's one thing to quit when the going gets rough, but I fear this situation is moving beyond that point.
I totally agree with you. I'll always be a michigan fan first and foremost, but what this school has done to RR these past couple of years really makes me mad. I have never seen a coach take such a beating from everyone all around. Im a huge fan of his and I hope that if he does leave Michigan, that he has instant success. Likewise, I hope that Demar goes to a big time university and is an all-american. Wish you nothing but the best. Something has to change here at Michigan, having played a sport here, this makes me feel really dissapointed that they took this chance away from him.
Tom's interview and the Det News article lead me to assume the coaches were up-front with him and that his GPA was too low, when adjusted for by UM Admissions (the NCAA definition of core clearly does not equal UM's definition). This may be because of DD's non-traditional HS.
I don't think anyone can blame Mchigan Admissions or Coaches. Demar just needed a bit more to qualify at Michigan.
Maybe this kind of high profile example will lead Michigan to adopt the NCAA clearinghouse standards, because clearly we need to compete against USC, LSU... in football and shouldn't be handicapped.
Also, I hate being lumped in with ND.
this was part of the campaign against RR. Everyone that needed to be involved in admitting DD knew of grades, history and EVERYTHING else.
What I don't understand is this notion that UM needs to remain some bastion of academic standards for its sports teams while other highly-regarded academic institutions let in more "special cases" without hurting the school's academic profile. UVa, USC, UCLA, ND, Berkeley, UNC, etc. are all schools with similar academic profiles as UM, and outside of ND, I don't remember hearing about any having "heightened" academic standards that have reaered their ugly heads in a situation like this. UM should know who they will accept and who they will not, and that needs to be communicated to the head coaches and the athletes up-front, not post hoc.
Really unfortunate for Dorsey. He recognized he needed a change of scenery to get his life together. Going to Michigan would allow (aside from playing for a great program and receiving a top education) him to get away from bad influences.
Really unfortunate when a person tries to turn their life around only to be met with a shut door. Good luck to him.
So says the knowledge.
You're gonna cause some MGoAneurysms joking about that. Even though I'm 100% certain this was a joke, it still caused a slight BP spike for me.
Thanks everyone! I wish you brilliant rainbows and happy kittens. And for the record this sucks balls; let's move on to praying the Cullen Christian cracks the starting line-up and the best defense is a good offense in 2010.
Do not besmirch The Knowledge.
Did this ever happen when Lloyd was the coach (or Moeller, or Bo)? If so, is it because they didn't reach as much as RichRod? Did the @#$% lion guy (Slocum) have the same experience? (I can't remember.)
It depends what "this" is.
If "this" is a student not qualiftying academically and therefore not playing football at UM, yes, it did.
If "this" is a student not being admitted to the university because of some other reasons (legal, character) or a combination of low, but ok grades and character, then to the best of my knowledge, No.
Again, it appears Michigan said he wouldn't meet their standards, but it's not really clear how he didn't. Going by the scores that were given (2.5, 18) he would meet the minimum standards when Carr was there. Which is quite troubling.
Debacle. Incomprehensible Debacle
Yes, he is now behind in finding a new school, but what if he had come here, struggled and then become academically ineligible of flunked out? Then, he might have been banished to the levels of D2 or NAIA. I give him all the credit in the world for busting his ass to try and get here, but if he turns out to be as good as everyone says he will, he will go somewhere else, become and All-American and go to the NFL. Surely, some high-profile DI school will have him.
And, in related news, a junior back-up tight end at Alabama just hurt his back and probably will not be able to play football again.
You know, I try to find silver lining in every situation but I can't find one here. Not for DD and most definitely not for UM.
I am not certain about universities in the USA so I may be way of base here but this is how I look at (assuming it is relatively similar to Canada):
DD was never going to come to University and study Law or Engineering. He was going to take some lesser courses that many athletes take who have their eye set on a pro career. These course (though not identicle) are similar from one university to another (I stress similar).
At UM though, he would have the benefit of better professors and many other resources that he might not get at other institutions. He would also have the change in scenery that he was looking for in an effort to better his life.
To be clear, I think DD will be fine and go on to great things. I just don't think he has a better chance of that because he isn't at UM. I believe if he came here, the university could have propelled him to even greater heights.
In the end, it is most definitely our loss. Best of lick to you DD! I hope your future is as bright as I think it will be.
I feel horrible for the Dorsey family. Best of luck to him wherever he ends up, and I hope he uses this as a chip on his shoulder to really become a terrific athelete and solid student. Prove them wrong young man.
or Northwestern. If Rodriguez has any real success in 2010 or 2011, he's got to think about going to a school that's interested in winning a national championship (e.g. Tennessee, Texas A&M), not a school that's content with 9 win seasons every now and then with warrior-poets. Heck, a major reason RR faced difficulty here was the lack of jucos. This is obscene.
I blame this all on Sean Parker.
So, for the record, Michigan makes the move to recruit him, gets a commitment leading to tons of bad press for accepting a student with a criminal history, but survives it to, for a moment, look like a level headed institution that will give a good kid a second chance. Now after survining that onslaught, Michigan is now refusing to admit the kid, leading to more bad press for being the school that does not live up to its word, and will likely get no future looks from very talented players with any academic/off-field problems at all. You cannot contrive a scenario that will have a more significant negative effect on this program.
I am beginning to suspect that Rich Rod may cut ties with Michigan before Michigan decides to do so with him, and I am not sure that I blame him.
This farce saddens, shames us all
End this long winter
It the guy couldn't get in, fine. Really fucking depressing, but I understand the final result. I am sure that we have not taken/passed on others for grades in the past. (Whitty, etc.)
My big issue is how the whole thing blew up - again. It sounds like Demar was told to meet a certain bench mark (NCAA Clearing House), and did. Somehow, the line got moved and admissions said "not good enough." Someone (admissions, RR, ???) didn't live up to what they promised and the result is that the University looks like shit. Not only that, the story lingered out there forever without any reaction from Michigan.
What makes it more frustrating is that we are not likley to ever learn what actually happened and who is to blame. So we are left to wonder. If this was the only thing that had gone bad in the last few years, I would be inclined to shrug it off, trust the University and wish the kid well. However, in the context of everything else, it makes me wonder if anyone in the Athletic Department has any clue that the hell they are doing.
When the University sends a letter of intent to a prospect, that says "sign and you're in." Unless you can give me another case where that wasn't true, that's the way it is.
FYI: Dorsey does not have a criminal record. He was acquitted of one charge and the other was dropped. I'm willing to bet some of the reporters who are having a field day with this were arrested at least once when they were Dorsey's age.
My point is that was not handled well. Given the rest of the screw-ups in last few years, I really can't give anyone at U of M the benefit of the doubt. Had this happened 10 years ago, I would probably assume the kid was given a shot, blew it and is just upset. I can't do that anymore. This is just one more in a series of blunders on and off the field.
Fine, the entire University doesn't look bad. I get that. But the football program does look like shit - especially to recruits who think that Demar got screwed b/c that is the only story out there.
What makes you think the football program had anything to do with not accepting DD? It was admissions that made a decision that impacts the football program, and if you can't see the negative impact this is going to have on recruits you are simply delusional.
You are speaking like it is a simple case of a kid not meeting the academic standards not getting in. I would say you are simplifying things dramatically there.
From what everyone DOES know DD met all the NCAA requirements to play football. This is what everyone knows at this point. Between his GPA and test scores he is able to go to university and play football. UM for some reason has said, "sorry buddy, that simply isn't good enough."
I would be curious to know how you think this isn't going to negatively impact the UM football program? You say that the academic standards are what makes UM attractive to some recruits and you're right. The problem is there are a vast number of recruits (many top tier blue chip recruits) who are of the same variety of DD. How many of them do you think are going to risk signing an LOI to UM from this point forward?
I agree 100% with your comments, Mat. Additionally, I would add that any LOI has certain conditions to make it legally binding. I work with them all the time, and they are what they say--Letters of Intent or statements of intent to work together. I have never seen one that is unconditional and unbreakable in the event certain criteria are not met. We don't know the details of the letter between DD and UofM. However, I am going to go on a limb that Michigan has probably looked pretty carefully at it and made the appropriate and legal decision. They would potentially get in a lot of trouble if they violate that LOI without just cause. Perhaps I am just really naive here, but I am sure they have looked at everything and are justified in their decision.
I would have loved to see DD here. He's a tremendous talent, and UofM could be good for him to build character and give him a fresh start. However, UofM has a reputation for academics (often a reason stated by recruits for choosing UofM), and I don't think this will reflect regatively on the school for future recruiting.
Lastly, anyone else notice that Demar doesn't really seem to be putting up a fight or crying 'foul' here? I am sure he is disappointed, but it appears to me that he isn't terribly surprised by this decision. It appears to me that he was looking for a favor here, but there wasn't one available, and he is moving on. It sounds to me that he realizes he wan't able to fully live up to his end of the deal...but I could very easily be mistaken here.
I wish DD all the best wherever he ends up. I am just not ready to lynch the university, coaching staff, and/or David Brandon for something we know little about.
A GD Humbling... these past 3 years...
But jg2112 is right. This is the team, and it can be a good one and move forward. I hope to root for this kid for a long time, but I'll be watching these others in AA on Saturdays
Humbling: in 2007 I knew our offensive stars and the better defensive players. Didn't know much more. But the past 3 years have made me a stronger fan, not weaker. Let the bandwagons unload. Those who remain are committed, and that's how you rebuild. I can speak through the 2-deep on both sides of the ball, and my frustation led me to this site ~ a year ago (not that my knowledge does the team any good, but my dollars do).
Melodrama quotient high, but FUCK IT - GO BLUE AND MOVE THIS THING FORWARD