Yeah, a kid who completed less than 50% of his passes in high school and averaged less than 5 yards per carry is going to be TEH SHIZNIT
It's all about DENARD...
What makes you so sure homie?
IMO not to knock D.Rob but I would prefer a better passer than a better runner as my QB any day.
I doubt you would take Forcier over Pryor...
I would take a more polished passer over a run first pass second QB is all I'm saying.
Well, that's an obvious answer considering Tate hasn't played in college yet. Now, if Tate's arm is as good as Pryor's legs, I'd take Tate every day of the week.
... should've sent a poet.... [tear]
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I feel like after a day of simmering in the crock pot, the correct term would be "stewed," or maybe "braised."
I think most of the times when you braise something, you sear it before you roast it. I would definitely go with a braise there, as searing the troll will really help to develop complex flavors that can only be achieved with high-heat cooking methods.
I'm with the guy. Denard is the future. I'm also a raging racist and therefore hate Tate Forcier, though.
Are you a white person that hates white people? You're like the white Bill Cosby
some of my best friends are white.
Does it even matter what all of us think anyways? RichRod has the only say, except the other coaches. Denard and Tate will get equal shots against Western, maybe to some extent Notre Dame, definitely Eastern, then the backup will push the starter for the rest of the year. So right now, I wouldn't worry about the quarterback situation; it will be sorted out this summer.
Very rational and insightful analysis. Bravo!
You need to start your own blog.
I love how people think they know a player based off his HIGHLIGHT FILMS. You know, the best HIGHLIGHTS of a kid, not what he does normally.
I feel like we've had this discussion before...
...but highlight films are the ONLY thing we have to judge them by. If we don't judge them on their highlights, then we don't judge them at all, and then we're stuck taking Rivals' or Scout's word for it, and then no one cares because who wants to just read about a kid?, and then this blog doesn't exist.
If a kid has a two-play highlight film, I understand your trepidation.
If he has a nine-minute highlight film, I don't.
It's not like every kid out there has a highlight film of himself juking seven different players on the same play or running over two guys or making a leaping one-handed catch or breaking a kickoff return for 98 yards.
We can just drop the whole "pretending to be an expert" thing, though, right? What insight to 99.5% of us have after watching HOURS of film, much less highlights?
Your point about the blog existing doesn't ring true to me, as Brian doesn't really pretend to be an analyst of talent - most of that he just regurgitates from scout or rivals.
I understand you're a coach, so maybe this doesn't apply to you as much - but I'd venture it applies to every person on this blog. Do I have an opinion of whether Robinson or Forcier is better? Sure, but I also think it's worthless, especially until I see them actually play.
1. I wasn't referring to the blog not existing because of Brian. I'm saying if we didn't use highlight tapes to judge players, then nobody would care about recruiting. If we watch film, we will judge players. If we just made the tapes vanish, then no one will care. It's a necessary evil, in a matter of speaking, and people are going to judge players, regardless of whether you want them to or not.
2. College coaches make offers based on highlight films. Why can't we decide whether we like or dislike a kid's ability based on a highlight film?
3. Highlight films are what they are - a collection of a player's best plays. They are supposed to show what a kid is capable of. People who think Sam McGuffie turns every run into a TD because of his highlight tape are idiots. But if they just think he's amazing because he had about 40 (random number) awesome plays, then I'm okay with that. This applies especially to Terrence Robinson - for a lot of people, the ONLY T-Rob play they've seen was the "Dream Shake" and they're suddenly saying he'll be Big Ten Freshman of the year or he'll beat out Odoms or whatever. That is where this pre-judgment starts to go overboard.
I'm saying if we didn't use highlight tapes to judge players, then nobody would care about recruiting.
I follow recruiting more than most fans and I very rarely watch a recruit's video. This is primarily because I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at. I guess it's fun to watch Tate scramble around for 30 seconds while he's 20 yards behind the LOS, but in college, that's a sack. I prefer that people who do this for a living and review hundreds or thousands of tapes comparatively tell me who's good.
I don't begrudge people watching them and forming opinions. It's just that sometimes things happen like watching a video and coming to the realization that Tate Forcier is a better prospect than Terrelle Pryor when there is literally zero evidence to back that up at this time.
It's just that sometimes things happen like watching a video and coming to the realization that Tate Forcier is a better prospect than Terrelle Pryor when there is literally zero evidence to back that up at this time.
And I particularly like it when someone comes to the conclusion that one player (Forcier) shows more maturity than the other (Pryor) off of these tapes. wtf?
Well, not everyone who watches film/highlight tapes knows what they're looking at. But just like you've done, if you come across an obvious bonehead who says that Forcier is better than Pryor, then that person's opinion should be dismissed.
I don't know if you're in the minority or not as far as not watching video of recruits, but I guarantee you that if we couldn't see these kids play on Youtube/Scout/Rivals, there would be far less discussion and hype. Overall, I think being able to watch these kids play gives us additional information that helps this blog (and others) thrive.
2. College coaches make offers based on highlight films.
highlight films are more usefull to fans than div I college recruiters... 50% (ESTIMATE) of player sent "Highlight Films" are looked at by a GA, just so the recruiter can say to the coach/parent "yeah we looked at it"
college coaches make offers bassed on hearing about someone, checking them out live, talking to their coaches and families, and talking to them.
I didn't mean to imply that highlight films are the ONLY thing that college coaches/recruiters use to make offers. But they are a part.
"Meat Market" describes the coaches sitting around in the film room and looking at tapes while deciding who to offer or how hard to recruit a guy.
I've also been a part of programs in which college coaches have visited players and/or made offers based partially on highlight tapes. If coaches didn't make offers based on highlight tapes, then the only gauge of their athletic ability would be camps, because college coaches can't run around the country and watch games on Friday nights when they have a game the next day at noon.
Actually Cone will be starting and I can't see anyone else challenging him for the job. If anyone it will be Feagin or the Furrha kid.
Hi, Denard's dad.
Sheridan will be ahead of Robinson in the depth chart. I promise you this.
You're probably right, but a year ago most of us would have promised that Steven Threet would be ahead of Sheridan on the depth chart going into the Utah game, and all of us would have been wrong. It's too hard to know what's going to happen to an organization when you can't see what's going on behind the scenes. We'll have to wait and see
He's already a semester behind Tate.
We have not seen this kid play other than in the highlight films and if he lives up to the hype he will be good. The 4.3 40 times say a lot for his speed. I personally think that we will not see him on the field until after the Iowa game. I know that everyone can argue and bring up Pat White, but I would rather see a QB who can run than a RB who can throw. That being said I just want to see the one that gives us the best chance to win. If that is TF then put him in there, if that is D Rob then by all means play him. We all need to remember we have not seen TF play either except in the highlight films so at this point they are on an even playing field with the expeption of TF being there now.
I would take Forcier over Pryor. Forcier is more mature, and Pryor is showing some chinks in the armor. Pryor has nice touch, but he is not accurate enough on a consistent basis.
I hate saying this, but from the HS tapes, I would have taken Beaver over all of them.
I think that Forcier and Robinson will do fine at UM, and I think that both will see action this season. I am happy to see them compete, but I would not mind seeing a two-headed QB at all.
I disagree with conventional wisdom on this one, but if a team has three or four good QB's, I wouldn't mind seeing them shuttled in and out like RB's. Those who are going to tell me I am full of shit can speculate all they want, but nobody truly knows that it won't work because nobody has tried it yet.
Since Urban Meyer shuttled Tebow in for Leak occasionally and won the NC, coaches have experimented more and many teams are running "wildcat" plays.
Somewhere, some coach is going to be "whacked" enough to try this, and it is going to work. It probabaly won't be RR, but someone somewhere will eventually try it, especially if running becomes more essential for QB's.
...you know that Forcier has never played a down in college, right? Like, he hasn't even played a down in practice. You are making some HUGE assumptions here
I can see Beaver over Forcier, but neither of them is the athlete Pryor is. Beaver won't be able to get the corner at will in college, or stiff arm linebackers off of him like they were toddlers trying to tackle their dad.
Pryor is an incredible athlete, and saying Forcier will be better because he's more accurate is like saying J.J. Reddick is a better guard than Derrick Rose because he's a better shooter. Yes, Pryor might not be as accurate, but he doesn't have to be. His receivers are more open because he buys more time with his legs, and if his passes aren't working he can just scamper out to the edge and pick up 5-6 yards with his legs.
Sure its possible Forcier ends up as a better Qb, but I wouldn't bet on it.
You are my archenemy. You were put on the internets with the sole purpose of posting the exact opposite of what I believe in every thread. We must battle to the death. If you agree with me, I'll appreciate the irony before I e-pummel you with CAPS LOCK and bold motherfucking font.
well done. what say you tater?
I think nuff's been said about Forcier and Pryor... Forcier will show his chinks when he gets his chance! I would agree he's a better character though.
About the QB constantly changing thing.... I think this might just be idealism of using all the QBs we have and may get. Cause I'd like to see them all be starters too, but that's just not in the cards.
The problem with changing around QBs often is that part of having good QB play is allowing the QB to establish a rhythm, and having patience with him to find his game. I think changing a QB often is a gamble. If you have one guy that's clearly the best, stick with him and have the patience for him to bloom on field. Remember how frustrating it was at times during the Brady/Henson era?
that John Cooper tried rotating quarterbacks with Stanley Jackson and Joe Germaine. The only problem is passing quarterbacks need to get into and stay in a rhythm. I wouldn't mind using Denard here and there as long Tate wouldn't have to sit for an extended period of time.
Wow, you watched Beaver's High School tapes? Well, I'm convinced.
I've been trying to stay off MGoBoard, because I don't want to be "mean", or whatever, but I can't let this alone - I have poor impulse control.
What, exactly, do we know about the "maturity" of Tate Forcier OR Terrelle Pryor? I know that Pryor got in a fight at a basketball game more than a year ago. I know that Tate has an annoyingly ego-centric webpage. The point, really, is that we know nothing about either of them as people other than the dream-fufillment fantasies we concoct for Tate, and the Evil slash-fiction stories surrounding Pryor that run around the theater of your mind.
People do know it doesnt work, and yes people do try it all the time!
when you dont have a qb that sticks out many teams, at all levels, will shuffle qb's in and out. OSu did it a few years back if i remember correct. Highschools do it a lot,
At any rate, usually it doesnt work for anything other than a change of pace. Defenses are able to key on paricual plays that are run with one qb's strengths over another, just like other personel packages help tip off an offensive play.
The only time shuffling a QB in and out is a good thing, is when they are identical in their stregths and weaknesses, and even then there is something to be said about rythm, comfort level, etc.
thats why most teams just use packages for certain qb's..
You necroed a 3 year old thread to post THAT?
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because a HIGHLIGHT tape showing all the GREAT plays and ignoring all the bad plays really tells us what this high school kid is going to do in college. Don't misunderstand. I am not hinting that D Rob is untalented. He ,like all incoming freshmen, is unproven at the college level. Relying on reel tape just shows how naive the OP is. If this was Iraq, pre war, and I was Saddam I would have the bottoms of your feet smacked with bamboo sticks for being such a moron! :P
tate > pryor.
come to think of it, coner has more upside than pryor, given his armstrength & the fact that we've never seen him play and therefore has fewer chinks than the 08 highest rated QB for effeciency in the B10 as a true FR.
BEAVER > tate > pryor
I missed something - the OP is a troll just because he's making a longshot prediction? That's not what I understood a troll to be. Labelling someone a troll just because you don't agree with their argument is pretty fucking lame. The arguments against the utility of highlight tapes make sense, but it's silly to pretend that this was a completely invalid (as opposed to incorrect) opinion in the first place. Oh, and remind me about all the rock-solid information we have on Tate's ability to succeed at Michigan ...
(Disclaimer: for the record, I think that Robinson is going to beat out Forcier at some point in his career. The highlight reels don't show everything, but they do show a young man who is angle-destroying fast and has a rocket for an arm. Shoelace, baby.)
No, I labeled him a troll because he had been registered on Mgo for 20 minutes by the time I read the post. And the argument was a complete and utter attempt to get people riled up. It's like kicking an anthill. Did you notice how he hasn't defended anything he wrote? It's fine if you think Denard is already ahead of Tate is just throwing gas on the fire.
It kind of warmed me up.
Trying to provoke discussion and being openly antagonistic are two different things, to me. The latter is the stock in trade of the troll, but I think the post is more the first. Since both Forcier and Robinson are on the team, I don't see how saying one is better than the other - no matter how flimsy the basis for that is - is trollicious. Maybe he is just a drive-by troll, but he really needs to work harder on being obnoxious if he wants to troll in the future.
And to clarify my stance,(even though I'm not entirely sure what your last sentence was supposed to mean) I'm pretty sure that Forcier is ahead of Robinson for now, as he enrolled early and everything. I just think Robinson might turn out to be utterly scary in Rodriguez's system. I don't really have much basis for this opinion, but the people who are absolutely sure that Forcier is better don't have all that much either. Just bloviatin' yo.
do you realize that you were watching a "HIGHLIGHT" film???
4 heismans or 10^4 heismans? discuss.
I made a strong statement, one of which I am fully confident.
And no, I'm not Denard's dad. I am a class of '88 Mech. Eng. grad, who knows football.
Watch the tapes of Robinson very closely, and the video of the others for that matter. Then ask yourself who do you want to have the ball in their hands during crunchtime. This is one man's opinion, and yes, I am going out on a limb, but it is a very calculated one.
To most of you naysayers, just remember that when we end up going to Denard more and more next season, that you did not conveniently "always know Denard was gonna be great", and that DICLEMEG was the man who called it.
This kid can flat out play, and without question, he is the guy I want to have the ball in hands when the game is on the line.
GO BACK AND WATCH HIS VIDEOS CLOSELY. Then say what you want.
thanks for the analysis.
What will be interesting is most of you will put these thoughts of yours down the proverbial memory hole after Denard dominates.
You'll be so wrapped up in the new big thing that you'll totally forget your current lack of knowledge.
I just hope to forget that you exist all together.
so if he's "flat out!" what does that mean, really? i mean, is flat out!-ness a continuum or an all or nothing proposition?