It's all about DENARD...

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March 11th, 2009 at 8:47 PM
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It's all about DENARD...

Fellas,

It seems that I am the only one who would prefer Denard Robinson over Devin Gardner or even Tate Forcier, from what I've seen on film. Trust your eyes on this.... Robinson will be a star. I've watched several videos several times of all the prospects and am surprised more people don't prop Denard more. To me it is without question he will be our starter next season, and for several afterwards. Some here are talking that hes gonna play CB ? No chance fellas. He is our QB. RichRod doesn't send half the entire staff to Denard's living room unless the kid is as special as to what I am claiming him to be.

Ok, so Forcier enrolled early... he is gonna need that extra work to catch Denard in my opinion, but it still won't be enough.

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March 11th, 2009 at 8:50 PM | Yeah, a kid who completed (Score:1)
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Yeah, a kid who completed less than 50% of his passes in high school and averaged less than 5 yards per carry is going to be TEH SHIZNIT

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March 11th, 2009 at 8:52 PM | What makes you so sure (Score:1)
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What makes you so sure homie?

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March 11th, 2009 at 8:54 PM | Hey Denard! Howzit? (Score:1)
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Hey Denard! Howzit?

March 11th, 2009 at 8:56 PM | IMO not to knock D.Rob but I (Score:1)
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IMO not to knock D.Rob but I would prefer a better passer than a better runner as my QB any day.

March 11th, 2009 at 10:39 PM | I doubt you would take (Score:1)
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I doubt you would take Forcier over Pryor...

March 11th, 2009 at 11:33 PM | I would take a more polished (Score:1)
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I would take a more polished passer over a run first pass second QB is all I'm saying.

March 12th, 2009 at 12:20 AM | Well, that's an obvious (Score:1)
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Well, that's an obvious answer considering Tate hasn't played in college yet. Now, if Tate's arm is as good as Pryor's legs, I'd take Tate every day of the week.

March 11th, 2009 at 8:57 PM | i have no words (Score:1)
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March 11th, 2009 at 9:02 PM | Troll Recipe (Score:1)
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Ingredients:

1 Troll
Butter
Salt and Pepper

1.Wash troll and remove giblets from inside. Dry troll and rub with butter on all sides. Sprinkle with salt and pepper. Be sure to get some salt and pepper on inside.

Put in crock pot in early morning (about 8:00 a.m.). Turn crock pot to low - let cook all day. When returning home from work about 4:00 or 5:00 you will have a delicious baked troll. Remove from crock pot with spatula to keep from falling apart. You will have about 2 cups of troll broth in pot. Use for gravy over rice or mix with Stove Top stuffing instead of water. Garnish with spices and enjoy! Serves 6-8 people.

March 11th, 2009 at 9:30 PM | baked troll (Score:1)
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I feel like after a day of simmering in the crock pot, the correct term would be "stewed," or maybe "braised."

March 11th, 2009 at 9:43 PM | Probably a stew (Score:1)
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I think most of the times when you braise something, you sear it before you roast it. I would definitely go with a braise there, as searing the troll will really help to develop complex flavors that can only be achieved with high-heat cooking methods.

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March 11th, 2009 at 9:09 PM | troll or not (Score:1)
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I'm with the guy. Denard is the future. I'm also a raging racist and therefore hate Tate Forcier, though.

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March 11th, 2009 at 9:59 PM | Are you a white person that (Score:1)
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March 11th, 2009 at 10:10 PM | Don't accuse me... (Score:1)
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March 11th, 2009 at 9:20 PM | How do we know? (Score:1)
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Does it even matter what all of us think anyways? RichRod has the only say, except the other coaches. Denard and Tate will get equal shots against Western, maybe to some extent Notre Dame, definitely Eastern, then the backup will push the starter for the rest of the year. So right now, I wouldn't worry about the quarterback situation; it will be sorted out this summer.

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March 11th, 2009 at 9:25 PM | Very rational and insightful analysis. (Score:1)
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Very rational and insightful analysis. Bravo!

You need to start your own blog.

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March 11th, 2009 at 9:26 PM | I love how people think they (Score:1)
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I love how people think they know a player based off his HIGHLIGHT FILMS. You know, the best HIGHLIGHTS of a kid, not what he does normally.

March 11th, 2009 at 10:29 PM | I feel like we've had this (Score:1)
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I feel like we've had this discussion before...

...but highlight films are the ONLY thing we have to judge them by. If we don't judge them on their highlights, then we don't judge them at all, and then we're stuck taking Rivals' or Scout's word for it, and then no one cares because who wants to just read about a kid?, and then this blog doesn't exist.

If a kid has a two-play highlight film, I understand your trepidation.

If he has a nine-minute highlight film, I don't.

It's not like every kid out there has a highlight film of himself juking seven different players on the same play or running over two guys or making a leaping one-handed catch or breaking a kickoff return for 98 yards.

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March 12th, 2009 at 12:39 AM | We can just drop the whole (Score:0)
March 12th, 2009 at 6:54 AM | 1. I wasn't referring to the (Score:1)
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1. I wasn't referring to the blog not existing because of Brian. I'm saying if we didn't use highlight tapes to judge players, then nobody would care about recruiting. If we watch film, we will judge players. If we just made the tapes vanish, then no one will care. It's a necessary evil, in a matter of speaking, and people are going to judge players, regardless of whether you want them to or not.

2. College coaches make offers based on highlight films. Why can't we decide whether we like or dislike a kid's ability based on a highlight film?

3. Highlight films are what they are - a collection of a player's best plays. They are supposed to show what a kid is capable of. People who think Sam McGuffie turns every run into a TD because of his highlight tape are idiots. But if they just think he's amazing because he had about 40 (random number) awesome plays, then I'm okay with that. This applies especially to Terrence Robinson - for a lot of people, the ONLY T-Rob play they've seen was the "Dream Shake" and they're suddenly saying he'll be Big Ten Freshman of the year or he'll beat out Odoms or whatever. That is where this pre-judgment starts to go overboard.

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March 12th, 2009 at 9:37 AM | Is that like the royal "we"? (Score:1)
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I'm saying if we didn't use highlight tapes to judge players, then nobody would care about recruiting.

I follow recruiting more than most fans and I very rarely watch a recruit's video. This is primarily because I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at. I guess it's fun to watch Tate scramble around for 30 seconds while he's 20 yards behind the LOS, but in college, that's a sack. I prefer that people who do this for a living and review hundreds or thousands of tapes comparatively tell me who's good.

I don't begrudge people watching them and forming opinions. It's just that sometimes things happen like watching a video and coming to the realization that Tate Forcier is a better prospect than Terrelle Pryor when there is literally zero evidence to back that up at this time.

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March 12th, 2009 at 9:44 AM | Agreed (Score:1)
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It's just that sometimes things happen like watching a video and coming to the realization that Tate Forcier is a better prospect than Terrelle Pryor when there is literally zero evidence to back that up at this time.

And I particularly like it when someone comes to the conclusion that one player (Forcier) shows more maturity than the other (Pryor) off of these tapes. wtf?

March 12th, 2009 at 9:58 AM | Well, not everyone who (Score:1)
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Well, not everyone who watches film/highlight tapes knows what they're looking at. But just like you've done, if you come across an obvious bonehead who says that Forcier is better than Pryor, then that person's opinion should be dismissed.

I don't know if you're in the minority or not as far as not watching video of recruits, but I guarantee you that if we couldn't see these kids play on Youtube/Scout/Rivals, there would be far less discussion and hype. Overall, I think being able to watch these kids play gives us additional information that helps this blog (and others) thrive.

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March 12th, 2009 at 1:46 PM | highlight flims (Score:1)
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2. College coaches make offers based on highlight films.

highlight films are more usefull to fans than div I college recruiters... 50% (ESTIMATE) of player sent "Highlight Films" are looked at by a GA, just so the recruiter can say to the coach/parent "yeah we looked at it"

college coaches make offers bassed on hearing about someone, checking them out live, talking to their coaches and families, and talking to them.

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March 12th, 2009 at 2:40 PM | I didn't mean to imply that (Score:1)
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I didn't mean to imply that highlight films are the ONLY thing that college coaches/recruiters use to make offers. But they are a part.

"Meat Market" describes the coaches sitting around in the film room and looking at tapes while deciding who to offer or how hard to recruit a guy.

I've also been a part of programs in which college coaches have visited players and/or made offers based partially on highlight tapes. If coaches didn't make offers based on highlight tapes, then the only gauge of their athletic ability would be camps, because college coaches can't run around the country and watch games on Friday nights when they have a game the next day at noon.

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March 11th, 2009 at 9:28 PM | NARD DOG (Score:1)
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NARD DOG

No question, Jim.

March 11th, 2009 at 10:15 PM | Actually Cone will be (Score:1)
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Actually Cone will be starting and I can't see anyone else challenging him for the job. If anyone it will be Feagin or the Furrha kid.

March 11th, 2009 at 10:20 PM | Hi (Score:1)
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Hi, Denard's dad.

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March 11th, 2009 at 11:16 PM | Sheridan will be ahead of (Score:1)
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Sheridan will be ahead of Robinson in the depth chart. I promise you this.

March 11th, 2009 at 11:21 PM | You're probably right, but a (Score:1)
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You're probably right, but a year ago most of us would have promised that Steven Threet would be ahead of Sheridan on the depth chart going into the Utah game, and all of us would have been wrong. It's too hard to know what's going to happen to an organization when you can't see what's going on behind the scenes. We'll have to wait and see

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March 11th, 2009 at 11:21 PM | He's already a semester (Score:1)
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He's already a semester behind Tate.

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March 11th, 2009 at 11:26 PM | We have not seen this kid (Score:1)
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We have not seen this kid play other than in the highlight films and if he lives up to the hype he will be good. The 4.3 40 times say a lot for his speed. I personally think that we will not see him on the field until after the Iowa game. I know that everyone can argue and bring up Pat White, but I would rather see a QB who can run than a RB who can throw. That being said I just want to see the one that gives us the best chance to win. If that is TF then put him in there, if that is D Rob then by all means play him. We all need to remember we have not seen TF play either except in the highlight films so at this point they are on an even playing field with the expeption of TF being there now.

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March 11th, 2009 at 11:33 PM | Forcier vs Pryor (Score:1)
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I would take Forcier over Pryor. Forcier is more mature, and Pryor is showing some chinks in the armor. Pryor has nice touch, but he is not accurate enough on a consistent basis.

I hate saying this, but from the HS tapes, I would have taken Beaver over all of them.

I think that Forcier and Robinson will do fine at UM, and I think that both will see action this season. I am happy to see them compete, but I would not mind seeing a two-headed QB at all.

I disagree with conventional wisdom on this one, but if a team has three or four good QB's, I wouldn't mind seeing them shuttled in and out like RB's. Those who are going to tell me I am full of shit can speculate all they want, but nobody truly knows that it won't work because nobody has tried it yet.

Since Urban Meyer shuttled Tebow in for Leak occasionally and won the NC, coaches have experimented more and many teams are running "wildcat" plays.

Somewhere, some coach is going to be "whacked" enough to try this, and it is going to work. It probabaly won't be RR, but someone somewhere will eventually try it, especially if running becomes more essential for QB's.

 

 

 

March 11th, 2009 at 11:42 PM | ...you know that Forcier has (Score:1)
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...you know that Forcier has never played a down in college, right? Like, he hasn't even played a down in practice. You are making some HUGE assumptions here

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March 12th, 2009 at 2:08 AM | Really...Forcier > Pryor...Really? (Score:1)
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Come on...
Come on...
I can see Beaver over Forcier, but neither of them is the athlete Pryor is. Beaver won't be able to get the corner at will in college, or stiff arm linebackers off of him like they were toddlers trying to tackle their dad.

Pryor is an incredible athlete, and saying Forcier will be better because he's more accurate is like saying J.J. Reddick is a better guard than Derrick Rose because he's a better shooter. Yes, Pryor might not be as accurate, but he doesn't have to be. His receivers are more open because he buys more time with his legs, and if his passes aren't working he can just scamper out to the edge and pick up 5-6 yards with his legs.

Sure its possible Forcier ends up as a better Qb, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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March 12th, 2009 at 2:33 AM | Tater (Score:1)
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March 12th, 2009 at 2:58 AM | well done. what say you (Score:1)
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well done. what say you tater?

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March 12th, 2009 at 9:05 AM | awesome (Score:1)
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March 12th, 2009 at 3:06 AM | Too many things to address here... (Score:1)
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I think nuff's been said about Forcier and Pryor... Forcier will show his chinks when he gets his chance! I would agree he's a better character though.
About the QB constantly changing thing.... I think this might just be idealism of using all the QBs we have and may get. Cause I'd like to see them all be starters too, but that's just not in the cards.
The problem with changing around QBs often is that part of having good QB play is allowing the QB to establish a rhythm, and having patience with him to find his game. I think changing a QB often is a gamble. If you have one guy that's clearly the best, stick with him and have the patience for him to bloom on field. Remember how frustrating it was at times during the Brady/Henson era?

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March 12th, 2009 at 6:05 AM | I believe (Score:1)
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that John Cooper tried rotating quarterbacks with Stanley Jackson and Joe Germaine. The only problem is passing quarterbacks need to get into and stay in a rhythm. I wouldn't mind using Denard here and there as long Tate wouldn't have to sit for an extended period of time.

March 12th, 2009 at 9:15 AM | Wow, you watched Beaver's (Score:1)
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Wow, you watched Beaver's High School tapes? Well, I'm convinced.

No question, Jim.

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March 12th, 2009 at 1:37 PM | ok couple of things (Score:1)
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People do know it doesnt work, and yes people do try it all the time!

when you dont have a qb that sticks out many teams, at all levels, will shuffle qb's in and out. OSu did it a few years back if i remember correct. Highschools do it a lot,

At any rate, usually it doesnt work for anything other than a change of pace. Defenses are able to key on paricual plays that are run with one qb's strengths over another, just like other personel packages help tip off an offensive play.

The only time shuffling a QB in and out is a good thing, is when they are identical in their stregths and weaknesses, and even then there is something to be said about rythm, comfort level, etc.

thats why most teams just use packages for certain qb's..

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You necroed a 3 year old thread to post THAT?

 

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March 12th, 2009 at 1:33 AM | I like (Score:1)
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March 12th, 2009 at 1:39 AM | The OP is right (Score:1)
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because a HIGHLIGHT tape showing all the GREAT plays and ignoring all the bad plays really tells us what this high school kid is going to do in college. Don't misunderstand. I am not hinting that D Rob is untalented. He ,like all incoming freshmen, is unproven at the college level. Relying on reel tape just shows how naive the OP is. If this was Iraq, pre war, and I was Saddam I would have the bottoms of your feet smacked with bamboo sticks for being such a moron! :P

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March 12th, 2009 at 9:32 AM | well, i mean it's hilarious: (Score:1)
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tate > pryor.

outfuckingstanding.

come to think of it, coner has more upside than pryor, given his armstrength & the fact that we've never seen him play and therefore has fewer chinks than the 08 highest rated QB for effeciency in the B10 as a true FR.

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March 12th, 2009 at 9:35 AM | He actually said.... (Score:1)
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BEAVER > tate > pryor

I mean...........wow.

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