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It Appears That They Can't Screw It Up

By Brian — December 7th, 2009 at 1:50 PM — 56 comments
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Well, yeah, obviously this was going to happen. Joe Schad:

Notre Dame plans to interview Brian Kelly tomorrow, probably in NYC
40 minutes ago from txt

Kelly, for his part, went on the Dan Patrick Show and didn't exactly douse the rumors:

Patrick: Have you been offered a contract extension by Cincinnati?
Kelly: We are working on one right now.
Patrick: So there's a chance you could sign the contract extension and put an end to the Notre Dame rumors.
Kelly: Absolutely. There's absolutely a chance of that. And I think there's a chance that I could look at another job. I haven't made that decision yet and I'll do that after today. Today is our team meeting with our players and then I've got a couple of days until our banquet and I want to be able to sit down and figure out what the best course of action is.

Bob Stoops this is not. More:

Patrick: By next Saturday, will I know what your future is?
Kelly: Yes you will.

Yeah… so I guess our best spin on this is that it is possible for really good college head coaches to implode spectacularly when they move jobs. I mean, just look at… aw, hamburgers. That's our head coach.

Is there anything good to take out of this?

"I laugh when I hear it," Gilyard said earlier this month. "Fans ask me all the time, 'Is Coach Kelly going to Notre Dame or Michigan or some bigger place?' Ain't UC big enough? We're in a BCS conference, and we're winning. I think it's a perfect fit for Brian Kelly.

"We had another coach [Dantonio] who looked us straight in the face and said he wasn't leaving. We remember that."

Anyone feel better? Not really? Dangit.

Update: Clausen and Golden Tate are going to the NFL thanks to advice from Weis, so at least there's that.

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Posted on: December 8th, 2009 at 2:10 PM #1
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Randy Edsall at Notre Dame?

According to http://footballcoachscoop.com/Scoop.html - trust if you wish - Kelly is not a candidate and has never really been a serious candidate, and it looks like Edsall is the most likely guy at this point with Skip Holtz as another big possibility.

Randy Edsall would be an interesting fit. ND would be really old school, more so than now. Edsall is an old school coach, wins by power runs, defense, special teams, and clock control.

He's also predictable. Good news for Michigan if ND hires Edsall.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 10:27 PM #2
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I'm hoping Kelly goes all

I'm hoping Kelly goes all Billy Gillespie if he ends up at ND.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 6:21 PM #3
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I, for one, am not afraid of Brian Kelly

at ND . . . or Harbaugh for that matter . . . legacy dong punch that it would be notwithstanding.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:55 PM #4
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Laughable

The only circus that's overshadowing our program is theirs. What a joke. They are considering two guys who field questionable defenses. Kelly is Weis light, and it's not just because he's merely overweight. Kelly's defenses can't stop mild Big East offenses (like Pitt and UConn). He's beaten zero quality opponents in the MAC Plus Big East. At least Harbaugh's beaten USC twice. But he also produced Scott Shafer. Not exactly the way to go if you want to preach defense.

They need to go with a defensive coach. Their defense is in even worse shape than ours. To go with offensive minded coaches is to change nothing. They might as well have kept Weis. They're going to be bad for a long time if either one of those hires goes through.

By the way, Kelly's sparse record is also directed at those of you who for whatever reason mistakenly believe he should have been our coach. That's pretty laughable as well.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 6:59 PM #5
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He's beaten zero quality opponents in the MAC Plus Big East.

I completely agree. And, using the same logic, Florida had no business hiring Urban Meyer. After all, as coach of Bowling Green and then Utah, he faced a bunch of lightweights in his conference games. Too bad for Florida his hiring has turned out to be such a disaster.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 6:45 PM #6
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Yeah, well he did all he has

Yeah, well he did all that and this season at UC with 2 4star players

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:15 PM #7
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Dantonio

He couldn't have done that. That is a Rich Rodriquez type move. Dantonio has a lot of class and could never do such a thing.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:13 PM #8
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New York Times says its Kelly or Harbaugh

to be decided by the weekend
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/08/sports/ncaafootball/08irish.html?_r=1&hpw

Be pissed if it's Michigan Man Jim.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:12 PM #9
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We want Notre Dame to be good

I'm confident Rodriguez will turn things around and build an excellent program. But I don't know much about these things, so I'm prepared to be wrong.

But either way, we're going to need strong opposition: if our team Returns to Glory (TM) then we'll want to display that by beating strong teams. With the Big Ten down, that means our ND game is going to have to be a quality win, if we win it. And if the team remains weak, then playing and beating a weak Notre Dame team will just serve to paper over problems. It's good for a team if the bar is set really high: good teams and coaches will rise to the occasion, and bad teams and coaches will show what they are made of.

Kelly seems like an excellent coach. Let Notre Dame hire him and let's get down to business.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:15 PM #10
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Ultimately

I think this is just kind of a shitty reminder that our own coaching searchin didn't go particularly well. We're going into our third year of excuse making, whereas other teams hit the ground running with new coaches.

Reality can be harsh. That's why we want Notre Dame to fail, too.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:34 PM #11
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You must wear

the Scarlett Letter!

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:58 PM #12
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Dantonio couldn't have said that

"We had another coach [Dantonio] who looked us straight in the face and said he wasn't leaving. We remember that."

That's unpossible: that would be bearing false witness, and the Bible on his desk very clearly prohibits that.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:48 PM #13
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Assuming Big Charlie

finds his way back into the NFL as an offensive coordinator... what's the over/under on whether or not he can successfully lobby to bring Jimmah into his folds the fold?

"I will fight, 'til I'm dead, with a Winged Helmet on my Head"

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Posted on: December 8th, 2009 at 12:39 PM #14
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Hey, I'm trying to eat lunch here!

The "his folds" thing came very, very close to a spray of lunch/beverage mixture all over the screen. Very funny. +1 for you.

"Integrity can only get you so far." - My little brother, the State grad.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:25 PM #15
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Brian Kelly, bring it on

Notre Dame, like Michigan, is a storied program. We play them every year for the next 4000 years.

If they suck, it's just another team in Indiana.

Bring em on.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:21 PM #16
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Yeah… so I guess our best

Yeah… so I guess our best spin on this is that it is possible for really good college head coaches to implode spectacularly when they move jobs.

I have a better spin. If he goes to Notre Dame it means he won't stay two more years at Cincinnati and then make a short drive up I-71 for his next job. That's the nightmare scenario, not Notre Dame.

Blogging the once-resurgent Virginia Cavaliers at http://fromoldvirginia.blogspot.com.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:50 PM #17
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Eh

I don't think Tressel is going anywhere in the next two years. I'd be willing to roll the dice that Kelly won't be available at the time that Tressel does retire.

Look, Kelly at ND is a pretty bad scenario for us. But its bad because RichRod isn't working out exactly as planned, not because Kelly is the most amazing coach ever.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:12 PM #18
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"Can't"

Whoa, whoa. Can't? When did that word enter your vocabulary? What, is the job too difficult? What, you don't have enough experience? Oh, you're not smart enough? Where's your confidence? Look, Elaine, let me tell you a story. When I first studied karate...

Yeah, karate. I had no support. Not from him, not from Newman, no one. The first time I sparred with an opponent, I was terrified. My legs, they were like noodles. But then I looked inside, and I found my katra.

Katra?

Yeah, your spirit, your, uh, being. The part of you that says, "Yes, I can!"

So I listened to my katra and now I'm dominating the dojo. I'm class champion.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:12 PM #19
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the hard thing for ND on a coach like kelly is that

weis set the pay scale pretty high for a coach with leverage.

Not to say ND cant, and should not pay weis rates, but Kelly will, and should not settle for anything less than chuckles had.

We can't run. We can't pass. We can't stop the run. We can't stop the pass. We can't kick. Other than that, we're just not a very good football team right now. - Bruce Coslet

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:26 PM #20
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Weis was never the highest

Weis was never the highest paid coach at ND, not even when you look at football alone

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:50 PM #21
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RichRod

RichRod was just as hot as Kelly was at the time. It's funny that we got a hot coach, yet none of us have any confidence in our own program anymore. Instead, we're all just worried about what ND does, as if the only way to beat them is if they pick a shitty coach.

If RichRod lives up to his billing then Brian Kelly at ND won't be an issue.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:43 PM #22
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I wouldn't be surprised to

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kelly coach a couple of years at ND and then try to parley some success into a pro gig. He has been on a pretty consistent trajectory (outside of the 13 years he coached at GVSU, but that might have been more due to schools not seeking him out). He basically coached 3 years at CMU, then three years at Cincy before (presumably) moving on. Just long enough to win a bunch of games and then upgrade to the next program. He doesn't really have any ties to ND, and if he can succeed there some pro team will probably take a chance on him (especially in the midwest). He will be a terror at ND for a couple of years, but the silver lining is that he is unlikely to stick around that long.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:18 PM #23
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Good

I, for one, hope that Kelly turns ND around quickly. We play them every year and it is a hell of a lot more exciting when we are both good than when it is the Cripple Fight it was in 2008. I am sick of hearing the announcers for the UM-ND game always talking about the "two formerly proud programs" and "two of college football's most storied programs that have fallen on hard times."

Yes, I am still assuming that we will turn around, as well.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:14 PM #24
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BCS Picks Coaches

The evil BCS system is actually picking coaches.
If Les Miles had not been playing for the title game, he would have gone to Michigan perhaps.
If Texas had lost then Cincinnati would be in the title game and Kelly would be unavailable.
Kelly has to be thinking: OK - I am undefeated and still cannot be national champion? Why? Because Cincinnati is not Notre Dame.
Why stay? I've accomplished all I can - here.

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and you got the Whizzo Quality Assortment

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:11 PM #25
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Reading through some enemy

Reading through some enemy message boards, it seems Notre Dame fans are vehemently opposed to Brian Kelly, citing issues as far-ranging as it being a part of Notre Dame's tradition to run a pro-style offense, to his support of John Kerry in the presidential elections. These people are nuts.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:41 PM #26
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FWIW, this sounds identical

FWIW, this sounds identical to the legions of UM fans opposed to Kelley during our coaching search. For some unknown reason, the man is very polarizing.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:57 PM #27
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"These people are nuts." Yeah

"These people are nuts."

Yeah you can say that again lol

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:59 PM #28
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hmmmm

sounds like us when we were looking for a new coach to replace LC.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:20 PM #29
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nuts

Do you remember our own message boards during the coaching search? We were rejecting candidates (as if we had any say) that most schools would salivate for. I remember one poster on another board saying that they wouldn't want Urban Meyer for UM because he just didn't seem like a good fit for Michigan.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:10 PM #30
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Re-hire ?

Far-fetched, but is it beyond the realm of possibility that ND might re-hire either Bob Davie or Ty Willingham? Both are sitting on their hands at the moment and both have been there before so they would not have to be indoctrinated into the culture and could hit the ground running. "Right the wrong" kind of spin on it from ND's perspective, and "second chance" scenario for the individuals. Am I crazy?

Anyway, I do think Kelly is a perfect fit for them so prolly a moot point anyway. Whatevah.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:47 PM #31
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Forgot one candidate

What if they rehire Charlie Weis? Charlie is familiar with the program and has had NFL success.

Or Lou Holtz. ND is all he talks about on TV, he'd be a good fit too.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:32 PM #32
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Willingham

Wow.

I have a Fandom Endurance III merit badge

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:09 PM #33
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Yeah… so I guess our best spin on this is that it is possible for really good college head coaches to implode spectacularly when they move jobs. I mean, just look at… aw, hamburgers. That's our head coach.

I stay for the South Park references.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:11 PM #34
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How long would...

...a guy, whether he's successful or not, with a penchant for "looking to the next level" honestly stay at ND till he jumps to the pros?

Nothing good ever had "State" in its name

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:10 PM #35
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Psst ...

Notre Dame. I got a scoop for ya.

I read [note: I seriously read this] that Kelly is pro choice. How the hell does someone substantiate that a football coach is pro choice? Who knows! But I'm sure he is. So don't hire him, or the Pope will be very cross with you.

Also, I heard Ron Zook goes to Mass six times a week. I'm just sayin.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:05 PM #36
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of COURSE

they can screw this up. honestly.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:12 PM #37
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Has anyone gone verified the

Has anyone verified the details of his resume yet?

Our helmets got wings

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:33 PM #38
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I guess he left the

baby killin' part off. How else could they justify putting football before God?

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:04 PM #39
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Kelly will leave if offered

Like I said earlier, he has the track record for switching jobs. He pulled the same stuff at CMU, telling the players he was not going to leave and then he bolted. Yeah, it's Central, but that is not the point.

And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:02 PM #40
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At least he'll be breaking in a new QB...

Yes, I realize I'm grasping at straws.

Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:01 PM #41
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Dang it! I was hoping ND

Dang it! I was hoping ND would overlook the obvious and pick a coach that wasn't such a perfect fit.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:39 PM #42
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There is at least one source denying Kelly

This site likes the UConn Coach or Skip Holtz. I for one would enjoy beating Dr. Lou's boy almost as much as Charlie Junior on the sideline.

http://footballcoachscoop.com/Scoop.html

Way I'm swinging today, nothing bugs me except insufficient applause.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:18 PM #43
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Oh, sorry about that. I sent

Oh, sorry about that. I sent them an email the other day pretending to be a secretary in the ECU office saying that Skip Holtz was flying to South Bend to interview, and was singing the Notre Dame Victory March around the offices. My bad.

**I didn't really, but still.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 3:34 PM #44
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WHA?

Please tell me you aren't being serious. In the very last Mgoblog column Brian references that site's complete lack of credibility.

Please.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 1:56 PM #45
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Not too worried

Yes, Kelly is a very good offensive coach at places where there is a lot less pressure. Plus he has never had a great defense at either CMU or Cincinnati. We have seen first hand what a season or two can look like with a below average defense and a young offense.

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures"

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:15 PM #46
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Worried

ND may have a young offense, but it's not exactly the same situation as what RR had here in 2008/9. ND is full of 4-5 star recruits and still has a number of returning starters. Also, they aren't exactly starting Nich Sheridan as their new QB.

That said, I have watched a few Cincy games, and I am not impressed with their defense. But, what role does Kelly have on that side of the ball?

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:07 PM #47
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Uh, this guy just went

Uh, this guy just went undefeated in a BCS conference, with OOC conference wins against the Pac-10 runner-up and Fresno State, after replacing NINE starters on his Big East champion defense and starting multiple quarterbacks including his third-stringer (who was a sleeper Heisman candidate until he got hurt mid-season and missed a couple games).

Kelly could probably opt not to field a defense next year and still roll up his schedule and smoke it.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:22 PM #48
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So, ND will have a good offense

Um, what was this year?

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 2:54 PM #49
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Scoring Offense Cincinnati

Scoring Offense
Cincinnati (#6) 39.8 ppg
Notre Dame (#38) 30.1 ppg

Total Offense
Cincinnati (#6) 464.3 ypg
Notre Dame (#9) 451.8 ypg

Scoring Defense
Cincinnati (#25) 20.8 ppg
Notre Dame (#64) 25.9 ppg

Total Defense
Cincinnati (#48) 350.3 ypg
Notre Dame (#87) 397.8 ypg

It's obviously an exaggeration to say that Kelly could forget about the defense and win 10 games.
But the statistics bear something out: Kelly has fielded a better defense with younger and less-experienced players, and beaten four ranked teams.
He's also fielded a better and more efficient offense than Charlie Weis did.

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Posted on: December 7th, 2009 at 4:08 PM #50
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Now compare the strength of

Now compare the strength of schedule....

Warning: A =) is a sarcastic or joke filled post. (Its pretty much the happiest smiley out there, I have been told) Despite being a ND fan I do have a sense of humor

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