If M wins next week, I say fire Meyer. He has no reason to lose to M. He shouldn't. If he loses, he better not go back for a while and stay away from OHIO.
no, YOU'RE off topic
I started writing this post at Heiko's apartment before my laptop battery mercifully bailed out, giving me a few minutes to think on the drive home. Time heals all wounds, they say; this wasn't nearly enough time.
Michigan got an early gift when Jake Ryan's crushing hit on Iowa QB Jake Rudock on a play-action rollout—sound familiar?—led to a fluttering pass that Brennen Beyer intercepted and took back seven yards for a touchdown. The defense came away with two other interceptions in the game; Blake Countess baiting Rudock for his second pick led directly to the second Wolverine touchdown, a two-yard pass to A.J. Williams that Iowa had completely dead to rights until Devin Gardner comically stiff-armed Tanner Miller to the ground in the backfield.
Left to its own devices, the Michigan offense could muster just one more score in the game, a nine-yard pass to Jeremy Gallon to give them a 21-7 halftime lead.
The Wolverines finished with 158 yards on 57 plays (2.8 ypp); the Greg Davis-coached Iowa offense managed to tally 407 yards (5.5 ypp) despite freezing temperatures and a howling wind. At one point in the second half, Al Borges called for back-to-back reverses—the first one worked; the second predictably failed miserably. Iowa adjusted to Michigan's fake-bubble-based run game and that was all she wrote; the defense, down both starting linebackers by the end of the game, couldn't stop the inevitable comeback.
Eight three-and-outs. Eight.
Gardner fumbled on a draw play on Michigan's final offensive possession, their first turnover of the game; it was unfortunate, to be sure, but at this point it's pretty tough to blame the guy:
Gardner walked in holding his right arm in his pant loop. Like a self made sling. He's absolutely injured, just a question of how severely
— Everett Cook (@everettcook) November 23, 2013
I watch him play and feel no anger, just sadness. Michigan is left with no reasonable option but to put him out there despite the fact that he's obviously not close to the same player he was last year or at the start of this season, clearly hurt, and being put in a position in which few—if any—quarterbacks could succeed. Gardner gives this team the best chance to win; he's also battered, skittish, and quite possibly flat-out injured.
Crazy things happen in football, which is why we keep watching. It'll take something beyond any reasonable expectation of crazy for Michigan to even stay competitive in The Game on Saturday.
If M wins next week, I say fire Meyer. He has no reason to lose to M. He shouldn't. If he loses, he better not go back for a while and stay away from OHIO.
You missed the point in asking about the color of my sky.
I was asking a question. Not making a prediction on the game. Or expressing a stance on the current situation
Is the old guard in the athletic department and the old rich alumni that support them. The Michigan Football approach has generated mediocre performance since about 1980. We have consistently been one of the weakest performing traditional college football powers for years. We tried to change this with the Rich Rod hire and the traditionalist did everything they could to resist the change. There lack of support combined with RR's failings doomed that effort.
So of course we go back to our outdated and ineffective approach and get more mediocrity. After Hoke finishes his flameout in another year or two perhaps we can look to hire the best people and not concern ourselves with each persons ties to Michigan or their commitment to Michigan Football (as defined by Bo). Organizations that only hire their buddies who agree with them don't tend to prosper relative to their competitors
Agree. We need a winning coach. If they are looking for a M connection, let us just say we all are Americans and that connection is good enough.
Tired of these rules when we hire someone. RR didn't pan out, but that shouldn't hinder us from hiring a good coach without connection. I would ask them if they know about THE GAME and if they can quote BO. If they haven't, they can learn or watch video. We don't need someone who worships M. We need someone who can win.
This is the best and most astute comment I have ever seen on MGoBlog. You're 100% spot on. Kudos my friend.
Also that was not sarcasm. I agree with everything you said. Someone needs to get Stephen Ross on the phone as he's the man who really is calling the shots. The only thing that matters to DB is money and that it continues to flow in. The only people he'll listen to are his big donors and boosters.
define mediocrity as the years from 1981 through 2007? I'm guessing then you define 2008-2010 as the paragon of success? Not a single losing season through the years of mediocrity and one MNC. Compare that with the combined "successful" record of 15-24. Odd ways of defining success and failure.
ON THE UPSWING:
Ohio State - excellent
Michigan State - very good
Wisconsin - smooth coaching change - still very good
Minnesota - improving
Indiana - improved just a little in 2013
Penn State - pretty darn good, all things considered
ABOUT THE SAME:
Iowa - about the same
Northwestern - a lot of heart, good at times
Purdue - is Purdue
Nebraska - pretty good when they play UM
WHEELS FALLING OFF:
Illinios - woud get a new coach if they could aford to fire Timmy
Michigan - any questions??
I'd argue that Purdue is in the "wheels falling off" category. Under Hope they'd win at least a few games and pull an upset now and then. They've gone backwards IMO.
The wheels are not falling off of Michigan. If we lose out, we are 1 game worse than last season. And we are way ahead of where we were in 2008-2009. I'm not saying anything good, I'm just saying it is more true that we have reached a mediocre plateau than that the wheels are coming off.
Recruiting means nothing if you can't develop the players. Kyle Kalis is a five star lineman who was thought to be the next Long/Lewan/77 but he looks totally lost out there. See Ron Zook and Lane Kiffin. Just because you win the recruiting wars doesn't mean it'll translate into wins. It still takes good coaches and the jury is absolutely out on Hoke in that regard.
commentator just said that at michigan rich rod was known for his defense
He was known for how bad it was
I was at the CMU game Labor Day weekend. This team looked invincible and was full of swagger. Ten games later, I can't believe what I see out there, the regression is mind-boggeling. When you get a lead, then your challenge is to get a BIGGER lead, not lay down the entire second half and put up a net 45 yards and 0 points. I am 999% behind our guys in winged helmets - but they need to be coached up. And it's obvious that they are not being coached up.
RichRod in his 2nd year at Arizona is beating up on Oregon with a JUCO transfer qb. Hoke in year three with a 4/5 star quarterback was embarrassed this same day by Iowa.
He has the heart of a lion. Unfortunately his QB skills are just not very good. What's worse is that he could probably become a very good QB with proper instruction and guidance. But they've ruined this kid IMO.
RichRod's AZ getting ready to beat OR (yes that Oregon), they're up 42-16 w/5mins in the 4th qtr (w/the ball)...just sayin
Now less than 2 minutes left. But Rich Rod didn't play Michigan football, because the spread will never work in the Big Ten. He said "y'all" and "irregardless" and that just won't cut it here.
And our Michigan Man now says "fergodsakes". What a step up?
The fact that our athletic director mocked Notre Dame with the chicken dance and we put this team on the field?! That's rich. How's that working out for you Mr. Brandon?
Not to mention the "Go Blue" over Spartan Stadium.
i suspect many are wondering what will "cut it here"...because Hoke & co. clearly are not...and next week should serve as an eye opening affirmation
wouldn't be surprised if urbz put the subs in at half time to keep the score respectable to help hoke keep his job because if you were urbz, isn't that what you'd want?
just the opposite because he's going to try and have the biggest impact for BCS rankings
After Michigan crapped their pants in Iowa. OSU really needed Michigan to be 8-3 going into the game.
Urb will beat us 70-14 if he can.
Dude. He's fucking terrible. Maybe if he could have convinced Casteel to come with. But it's the same deal as Hoke. Gives a shit about one side of the ball only.
The spread worked great against the best teams in the B1G! I mean it's better than what's happening right now, but was equally worthless. We were getting blown out with RR. Now it's a FG or so.
I can't believe how short some of the memories here are.
If people think Arizona's win today is indicative of a mistake in firing Rich Rodriguez, may I point you to RRod's win against a top ten Wisconsin team in his fourth game at M? A single win doesn't build a program.
Look, I don't think Hoke or Borges are blameless here, but as a Michigan supporter, I think everyone needs to stay sane, face some truths, and stop looking back at things like RRod.
You might as well be pointing to Moeller's firing or the botched Miles hiring as Things That Got Us Into This.
The reality is:
1) The offense is a mess.
2) The QB and OL positions have had deep regressions since last year and over the course of this year. That comes down to coaching. We don't know if that is Funk, Borges, or Hoke; a combo of all 3, and if so, what the %s would be.
3) Sometimes good plays are called. Sometimes good execution happens. However, what is happening more often than not is a lousy playcall or poor execution. These things affect one another. Again, this comes down to the coaches, but we really don't know where the problem is.
Something bad is happening; and it's not just the playcalling. It's also not just poor execution. It's both. I really hope the coahces figure out where the biggest problem is, because this OL looks lost...and that hasn't been as blindingly true as it has been under Funk in the past. The offensive production is worse than it has been under Borges in the past. It doesn't completely make sense that suddenly they have become awful coaches.
We're experiencing the worst kind of perfect storm which, unfortunately, may be much more complicated than firing a coach or two.
I don't think this is looking back and saying we should have kept him. I think it's pointing to the Michigan establishment of yokels who praise MANBALL as the only true way to play football and saying "you're wrong." I loved RR and had faith in him but the most devastating thing about his firing wasn't that he got fired. It's that our schematic thinking regressed and we abandoned all progress as far as innovation on the football field is concerned. We were trying to go back to the "good ole days" of three yards and a cloud of dust rather than saying how can we move forward. Say what you will about RR's lack of success at Michigan but he will succeed at Arizona. He'll probably win a Rose Bowl before us. And it will be much deserved egg in the face of all the haters who abandoned the program when he held the reins because they didn't like him personally or considered his innovative style of play witchcraft.
He did convince Casteel to come. The problem was Michigan wouldn't fork over the cash to pay him. RR was not set up to succeed at Michigan. DB forked over cash to get Hoke a "solid" staff but we didn't do that for RR. Arizona did and now they're reaping the benefits. Zona is going to be a favorite to win their division next season if KaDeem Carey comes back.
was criticized for a lot of things, but I don't recall his manner of speech being among them. In fact he is many times more articulate than Brady Hoke, not that it matters much.
Yet, I never got mad once, even when Borges insisted on calling runs during our last drive. The fumble was the icing.
At this point, I have checked out. I don't even care anymore and I plan on skipping the game next Saturday to spend time with my wife. Until there are significant staff moves I can't support the product on the field. The team is soft and plays with no confidence. There is no leadership.
dude, you're like the captain of the titanic finally realizing the ship is in trouble when it's already at bottom of the ocean. most of us started to get in the check out line about half way into the UCONN game.
I'm just as disappointed and frustrated about this season as anyone... But this whole "sky is falling" attitude that the majority of our fan base has adopted is getting to be a bit much. This team currently sits at 7-4, and they could very easily be 5-7... But what everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that we could just as easily be 10-1. Penn St, Nebraska and Iowa all came down to the very last possession, with instances against Penn St and Nebraska have chances both offensively and defensively to win the game on 4th down. Hoke and Co. pulled out their fair share of these games improbably in 2011 and "Hoke poops gold" was born... Now that the law of averages are starting to balance out against a young and inexperienced team, it's "Fire EVERYONE! Start from scratch and take another 3-4 years of futility to rebuild again!" There are a lot of factors that have caused the type of season we have had, and yes, coaching is one of them... But it's not the ONLY factor. Injuries and depth have hurt tremendously yet again... 2012 we lose Stonum and Countess for the season. This season we lost Darboh and Jake Ryan for a good portion of the season... Yes, I realize most teams have to deal with some type of attrition... But it's not always such important pieces, and guess what? Those teams are national title contenders either! Blake and Jake were our best two defensive playmakers as Sophomore's, and I'd argue as Freshman as well... Being without one or the other for most of the past 2 seasons is extremely tough when we've struggled in that area to begin with (DB's, Front 7)... A LB might not be so important, if it weren't for the fact that our front 4 was made up of a rag tag group of misfits last year, and 2 true Freshman this year... And yet and still, Mattison has made us a top 20 D for the past two seasons. Shut down D? Nope... But one that makes far more plays and keeps us in ball games when the offense is shit. When Rich was at the helm we scored 50-60 against cupcakes, and got beaten by 2-3 scores + when his offense faultered. Which it did quite often. Another thing Hoke and Co have not done since taking over that Rich did 66% of the time... And that's have losing seasons and miss bowl games! People want to whine and cry that he was installing his system and that it was part of "the process"... Well what are Hoke and his staff doing??? They're also forced with the prospect of forcing square pegs into round holes (Dev, Taylor, Jeremy, Fitz. All recruited for the spread.)... But they didn't make us an absolute laughing stock in the process... Next season Hoke with have an entire Oline of his guys with some much needed experience... And we will be much more talented at skill positions... And that top 20 defense??? It's going to be returning an awful lot of starters and mixing in an awful lot of talented guys like Dymonte and Jabrill... If Hoke and Co continue to put up a mediocre showing in that year... Then yes, his seat should get hot... And I am already in agreement that Borges, Funk and probably Jackson need to go anyway at the end of this season, along with hiring an actual QB coach. Not just having your inadequate OC multitask when he's not doing the one thing he specializes in well.
funny how announcers many times credited the Iowa defense for the stops when it should be the inept Michigan offense as well as the play calling, calling the same play twice when it worked for moderate gain on first attempt just to get stuffed for tfl on second attempt.
I have digested the loss and am feeling more rationale. With a cooler head I still feel that this team is timid and poorly prepared. Yes the score was close, but Iowa physically manhandled this team and had a much better game plan on both sides. Had they not shot themselves in the foot so much in the first half the spread would have bigger. There were sparks on both sides of the ball, however, no position group was able to finish. This may be the worst offense in Michigan history, but the challenge is bigger than that alone. Coaching and player changes are required to fix it. Overall defense is serviceable, but with some big holes , special teams marginal. I suppose Brandon could give Hoke one more year, but staff, game planning and attitude change has to occur to move forward.
I went to ohio state, and my friends don't even give me shit after Michigan loses anymore. Its like theyre not even worth making fun of. They aren't even giving me crap about how they're going to kick our ass next week. Nothing, they know what's going to happen, I know what's going to happen, and that's all there is.
and they act the same way. They are indifferent to me. It's too bad. I thought we would be playing MANBALL effectively this year and physically pound their defense. Going to be the other way around this year.
42-16. 'nuff said (insert insult to yourself here...you know who you are...most of you...) . PS FU David Brandon.
and 4th in their division. Sound familiar?
We be seeing them in late December , watch.
had his team beaten OSU once or twice he would have kept his job? Maybe going 0-9 against MSU, PSU, and OSU hurt his chances. What do you think about that karma?
This is a GREAT reason to keep our staff intact. We don't want to rue the day three years down the line when our former staff beats a famous team. Borges leads Kentucky over Alabama. Hoke leads Appalachian State to a win over Ohio. Karma!
You see how stupid this is, no?
OK, maybe not. We're looking a liitle too much like Chip Diller just before he gets flattened in Animal House..
But, I've been following the Wolverines since well before most of you were born. Hell, since before most of your parents were born. Trust me, I've seen worse. Far worse. And for far longer than the three recent years that will not be mentioned. Hell, if we counted National Championships like the Sparties do, we'd count 1964 as a national championship year!
The sunnel come up Tomorrow!!!!!
my gears is that Hoke wore sleeves. I'm joining the #firehoke trend now. /s
How the hell did this coaching staff take a group of talented athletes and turn them into an offense this dysfunctional, plodding, and hamhanded. It's unconscionable. They've squandered the lives of these kids in the name of Manball, whatever that means.
All the blather about youth and changing schemes is now just that. Other than Mattison, I have seen absolutely nothing to give me any confidence that this coaching regime has a clue what they're doing.
Brandon owes it to the players to clean house and bring in a staff that can get the job done.