The Invention Of Voting Comment Count

Brian

11/1/2014 – Michigan 34, Indiana 10 – 4-5, 2-3 Big Ten

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This happened. The end. [Eric Upchurch]

Sometimes there's a game that does not have anything to say about it. This was that game. Michigan won 34-10, the same score they beat Miami (Not That Miami) by, and it felt a lot like a replay of that throwaway nonconference game.

The opposing offense wasn't going anywhere unless Michigan busted something. Michigan's running game alternated between frustrating lack of holes and lanes so open you could drive a truck through. The defensive backs could have spent the entire afternoon reading The Economist and sipping Kermit tea and nothing would have changed. Indiana had eight attempts. This game was almost literally none of their business.

Michigan thudded out to a 17-0 lead with the help of a couple fumbles that somehow benched Tevin Coleman, and then the game was over. Indiana turned a Gardner interception that ended up inside the Michigan ten into a doinked field goal. Thereupon a giant pig descended from the sky to proclaim the game state.

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Brady Hoke knew it, so he ran the ball a couple times to end the first half instead of attempting to score.

I knew it, so I wasn't even a tiny bit peeved by that. Devin Gardner had just demonstrated the only way Indiana was going to get back in the game by not quite giftwrapping a pick six. Just before that Gardner had not quite giftwrapped another pick six. Michigan could have run the ball on every remaining down and won, and it was cold and I have to UFR these things. Run that clock down. Fine by me.

Everyone in the crowd knew it, so an awful lot of them left at halftime.

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Non-student areas weren't a whole lot better. [Bryan Fuller]

At this point I'm not blaming anyone. It was cold, Michigan is playing for a berth in the kind of bowl where the gift bags include broken Swatches from 1985, and the game was already decided. I stayed because I write these columns and your soapbox is a little higher if you stayed like a True Fan™. I am enjoying the extra centimeter right now. Mighty fine view it's providing.

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The game being what it was, about the only thing of interest over the weekend was a smattering of pissy comments from current and former players.

Desmond Howard decried Michigan's "mob mentality" on Gameday. Taylor Lewan called the Daily's Alejandro Zuniga a "moron" after Zuniga's appearance on BTN. Drew Dileo used air quotes around 'loyal' en route to stating that Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke weren't the problem—causing responders to respectfully ask what, then, the problem might be. Elliot Mealer referred to "the muggles that attend the University of Michigan" suddenly knowing something about the athletic department. Shane Morris provided a shout-out to the few students that made it to the end of the game and helpfully informed the ones who didn't that Michigan won.

It's like they went to bed and universal suffrage happened overnight.

INT. HOUSE OF COMMONS

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A raucous scene, as a bill has just come up for vote. Enter AN ASSORTMENT OF LORDS.

EARL OF MEALER

Good heavens, what are they doing?

HOWARD, DUKE OF HEISMAN

They seem to be voicing their opinions.

MARQUIS DI LEO

What-ever for?

EARL OF MEALER

Say, you, boy: what is all this ruckus?

ZEID EL-KILANI

The bill of attainder is up for vote; these are
final arguments before a decision is made.
Also, I don't think 'boy' is the preferred nomenclature.

HOWARD, DUKE OF HEISMAN

You have the vote? What nonsense!

MARQUIS DI LEO

/frantically dips snuff

EARL OF MEALER

Disaster! Woe! Surely we will topple like saplings in a typhoon!

HOWARD, DUKE OF HEISMAN

How long has… this been going on?

ZEID EL-KILANI

Approximately 600 years?

MARQUIS DI LEO

/faints

HOWARD, DUKE OF HEISMAN

WHY WEREN'T WE TOLD?!

ZEID EL-KILANI

We assumed you knew.

EARL OF MEALER

Our doom is at hand! Flee! I'll die on the squash courts if I can make it!

/exit MEALER, HOWARD

MARQUIS DI LEO

/regains consciousness

COMMONS MEMBER

Aye!

MARQUIS DI LEO

/faints again

Michigan fans always had the vote; never before had they been pressed so hard as to think about using it. When there's an epic wait list you can find another team and the edifice doesn't notice. Not so much anymore.

The ironic thing about all of this is it's actually the students—sorry, "muggles"—leading the way towards positive change. Brandon implements the worst possible version of general admission; Mike Proppe's CSG negotiates a more sensible arrangement that provides better seats to better fans. Brandon blames the new policy for the drop in attendance instead of prices; Bobby Dishell's CSG negotiates a 40% slashing of ticket prices. El-Kilani's petition laid out the case against Brandon concisely and far more authoritatively than any defenses mounted by the House of Lords, which generally amount to "nuh-uh, you don't know."

It is true that we don't know the face Brandon showed to the student-athletes. I do know that one day he got in front of his department and quizzed them as to who their customers were. The answer: "student-athletes." So he probably acted like a human to them.

That's not enough when he is a six-foot phallus to everyone else. You just don't know that unless you're outside the program, looking at a 150-dollar ticket that you could have had for 20 bucks, watching grim quasi-football that means nothing in the freezing cold. Bon Jovi is playing, for some reason.

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Here's the thing. This is a large group of people. Every large group of people is basically a bell curve. Michigan has pushed the prices up to the point where they're going to hit the downside of that bell curve without serious change.

That's a disaster that cannot be allowed to happen. Maybe it won't be for the people in the program right now, or the people who have been through it. It is one for the people who are thinking about 30 years from now, who are thinking about what it's going to be like for their kids.

Michigan, the program, can do little to change the group of people. They will remain the same people. They can only change themselves to fit the people. Step one is firing the coach, because the crushing blow to season ticket sales that results from his retention is unacceptable. Also he is not good at coaching.

Step two is not being dicks to people outside the program. I know y'all learned it from Brandon. Unlearn it. The next AD is going to be just as fantastic to increasingly pampered student-athletes without being loathed by everyone else on the planet. The Al Bundy patrol talking down to a fanbase on the edge of deserting in droves is hilariously out of touch. Michigan revenue vs Michigan performance. QED.

It's time to stop interpreting "The Team The Team The Team" as a moat between 115 players and 113,000 fans. 

[After THE JUMP: hawt babes, and why are you trying to be a fey English twit]

HIGHLIGHTS

GAME STUFF

Awards are still discontinued. Look man I can't really pick out a moment that was particularly good or bad because games are now perceived in a fugue state. Henri and all that. Lo siento.

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seinfeld reference [Upchurch]

THE DRAKE. I think we need to slow our roll here. Johnson came off the bench and looked a lot like he has in our brief glimpses in the past: quite fast in a straight line, not much wiggle, eh power. Michigan wrecked Appalachian State and Miami (Not That Miami) in similar ways with Smith and Green; I bet that the bloom comes off the rose here pretty quick. If I had to bet this will be "that Drake Johnson game" in the same way there was the Jerome Jackson game and the Walter Cross game.

Great story, though, and he'll get some time in the next few games to see if it's for real or just a flash in the pan.

I did enjoy how everyone was like AAAARGH FRED JACKSON after. I know I've given him a ton of crap for post-Hart RB performance, but man the guy can't win for losing. He brings the guy in on a total flier and everyone's like AAAARGH FRED JACKSON CAN'T ID TALENT and then he goes off against Indiana and everyone's like AAAARGH FRED JACKSON CAN'T ID TALENT.

But that's none of my business.

/Fred Jackson sips tea, Diet Coke, water, and Fresca simultaneously

Justice will find you. Speaking of AAAARGH FRED JACKSON: great game for Hayes in pass protection, which is 1) nice to see and 2) raises the obvious question about whether he got a million times better in one year or Michigan decided he wasn't a better option than… that… last year. Since he was a junior, not a freshman, the latter is as likely as the former.

In conclusion, anything that happens ever again can be blamed on Fred Jackson.

OFFICIAL: Ryan Glasgow is no longer a walk-on. BISB exhorted me to give the guy the Order of St. Kovacs after his sack/strip/recovery in the second half, which hurts me and my family. Glasgow was given the Order two or three games ago.

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[Upchurch]

I am ambivalent about Jake Ryan. He's racking up big TFL numbers but watching him closely I think he's struggling to read and react, which is a big factor in the gaping holes Michigan leaves in the middle of their coverage. I did not get to post the MSU D UFR because of some things that came up, but it is mostly done and my impression from that game was that Ryan did not do so hot.

He did have an excellent game here. This was tuned to his specialty since the "is it a pass" decision process went "lol no let's go Viking some dudes".

Jabrill Peppers is hurt and he is hurt and he is hurt please for the love of God stop asking about this. Anyone watching him limp out to the banner pre-game, make an unwise decision to leap at the thing and then painfully hop a couple steps knows his knee is hurt and there's no way he's returning before the end of the season.

ALL OF THE GAPS. Weird gambit from Michigan in this game: a lot of Stanford-like formations on which Michigan had one guy in the backfield and then nine across the front, usually after motioning a wide receiver in. This was not particularly successful. It still feels like anything Michigan does that adds another blocker to the mix is just providing another opportunity to screw up a block.

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explodes in any direction [Upchurch]

Gardner: is Gardner. A highly accurate day on which he looked very good except for the two horrible throws that were nine yards and one catch away from being 14 Indiana points. This is why "it is what it is" was invented.

Man, you gotta feel bad for Indiana. A few months ago they had Sudfeld, Tre Roberson, and Cam Coffman. Now they are down to a 170-pound true freshman who looks more like Ace than any football player should. He did not get broken in half. This is a win for the Hoosiers. Meanwhile, Roberson is tearing it up at Illinois State. Michigan would be playing either Speight or Bellomy (depending on who you think is #4 long-term) if the same had happened to them.

Magnuson: TE. Okay, whatever, I guess. Q: if a guard gets hurt can Magnuson put on an OL number mid-game? I'd imagine so.

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A gap, a palpable gap [Fuller]

Darboh: when separated rather good. Like Johnson it's hard to tell whether Darboh's excellent game was harbinger of things to come or a blip made possible by rubbing up against Indiana's pillowy soft defense. Here, too, I kind of think it's a blip. Darboh has struggled to get anything approximating separation all year, and when he faces better DBs it's easy to see them getting in his grill to make things very difficult.

Norfleet just wants to dance man. Norfleet dropped a bubble screen that would have picked up an easy first down because that's just how Michigan rolls, but on the next play he gunned down the field and then did a great, hilarious job of stalking the returner back and forth until the cavalry game about a quarter later.

If were are talking punts I guess I should mention the 30-yard return on which Indiana's returner didn't have a guy within ten yards on the catch, because I am a broken record.

Man dem babes is hawt you guys. Dadboner, the playcall.

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actually the inverse of Dadboner the playcall but you get what I mean. [Fuller]

Indiana also had a sign that was a really fierce panda that was so Indiana football:

hi man just eatin' some bamboo because if I ever stop eating bamboo ima die I am so cute and cuddly RAWRRR HATE U MIZZOU

Unfortunately no one got a shot of Fierce Panda.

The worst thing about "muggles." A reader who was a varsity athlete in the 90s posted in the relevant thread that the previous version of this term was "civilian," which I can accept. Being an athlete is a lot like being in boot camp for four years.

"Muggle" means that Michigan athletes are now positing themselves as f-ing mutants who flit around on brooms playing quidditch and turning apples into cartoon hearts with the power of their mind. Or whatever. I haven't read Harry Potter because I'd spend every page disappointed that Harry doesn't get dismembered by unspeakable things from beyond time.

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I AM NOT A ROLE MODEL

I'm just sayin' that if the offensive line wasn't aspiring to be a dork wearing John Lennon glasses maybe they'd be better at blocking. #hot #take #boom

HERE

Inside The Box Score:

Love the Drake
* I thought the story of the running game this year was going to be the battle between Derrick Green and De'Veon Smith. With Green out for the year, and Smith dinged up in the first half, Michigan turned to Drake Johnson. Johnson carried 16 times for 122 yards and two touchdowns. Even subtracting his long run of 32 yards leaves him with 90 yards on 15 carries for an even 6.0 yards per carry. That was a solid performance.
* Smith and Hayes combined for 42 yards on 13 carries against the same Indiana defense, so I'm inclined to be optimistic that we may have stumbled on something positive in the running game. Time will tell.

Best And Worst:

Worst:  The Offense is Still Broken

Yes, Michigan just put up 404 yards on Indiana, and recorded both their first 200-yard passing game of the year (!) and first 100-yard rusher game in the B1G since the last time UM played IU (!!), but man is it hard to get excited.  For one thing, Indiana has a turrible defense that gives up huge plays to everyone, yet Michigan's longest play was a 34-yard strike to Darboh that featured Gardner having to bypass the rush, step into a lane, stutter-step about a million times, and still have to throw a tight throw to Amara as he finally shook off the IU defensive back.  It was a good play and helped get Michigan in position for an opening score, but Jeremy Gallon had 369 yards receiving on his own last year against effectively the same IU defense, including multiple 50+ yard receptions.  It remains an offense bereft of "playmakers", which I know is absolutely the most cliche thing to say but is kinda true.

ELSEWHERE

Worth noting that Mitch McGary and Josh Bartlestein expressed their disappointment with Brandon's exit without taking shots.

Sap's Decals:

RYAN GLASGOW – It was obvious that the Michigan defense came to play this game and made sure there was going to be no repeat of last year’s basketball-like score against IU. That all starts up front, and while there were several guys who played lights out by keeping the Hoosiers under 200 yards of total offense, I singled out Glasgow because of his strip and fumble recovery – all in the same play. These guys in the trenches don’t often get the glory, but you had to like what Glasgow did.

Hoover Street Rag:

In the grand scheme of things, this game won't mean much, and likely won't be remembered in the annals of Michigan football lore.  But, if I do remember this game, it will likely be "the Drake Johnson game".  That makes me happy for a kid who crossed Main Street from Pioneer to the Big House, for a kid whose mom has been Michigan's cheerleading coach for over three decades, to get not one but two touchdowns, and looking good doing it, I'm happy for him.  Some day in the future, he'll be able to tell people that in the depths of Michigan's despair, he had his number called and he stepped up and provided a spark.  Most players will tell you that they just want to do what they can to help the team, and Drake Johnson, wearing the #20, did just that yesterday.  Good for him.

MVictors:

Re: Big Dave – Ultimately what did Brandon in weren’t the changes he made to the athletic program.  Even the biggest haters would admit there were some things he did that worked.  For me, I’ll fondly remember his role in smoothing out the practice-gate mess (even before he was AD), bringing in the night games and adding the Legends Program.   What sunk Brandon was that he treated people like crap.

As I’ve seen (and heard behind the scenes), being an outsider, President Schlissel took a look under the covers during these past few weeks he found a very conspicuous lack of people standing up to defend Big Dave.  Take Hoke.  You are probably tired of hearing how he is a such good dude.  While very few (if any) people think Brady will be coaching next year, when he’s evaluated I’m certain he’ll have many folks to throw support his way in some form or another, because he’s down to earth, lacks a noticeable ego and relates to people.  You can be a strong leader and make major changes without being a complete cock.

Baumgardner. Quinn on Johnson:

That was just a complete rush of emotion," Johnson said afterward, beaming like that scoreboard he used to run at. "I jumped up there and was like, wait, wait, I need to get down. I don't want to do anything dumb. I think the first touchdown was ... I can't think of any word but magical."

Mom was there to see it, as she has been for most of the last three decades. A 1976 U-M graduate, Pam St. John was among the first women to serve as a cheerleader at U-M in the mid-70s. Since then, she hasn't gone far, working in the athletic department as the head coach of the Michigan cheer team.

Drake Johnson, her youngest son, grew up on the U-M sidelines. As an 8-year-old, he'd taunt Wolverine players, telling them he'd not only be a Michigan player, but that he'd be better than them.

A lot of credit being offered to Michigan for "keeping their focus," which… okay. Seems like anything more organized than a sack of cats would have done the same thing to the Hoosiers.

The Indiana side of things.

Comments

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 3rd, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^

Whatever and all that.  All I know is that the Michigan I grew up with was a team that methodically ground the opponent into dust 2/3rds of the time and won about half the rest of its games, and did so in front of a packed house every time.  Other than the crowd, it was nice to remember for one weekend what that was like.  And against a real Big Ten team, too, not these East Coast pretenders.  Maybe they can do it to Northwestern, too.

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^

What is interesting is how Michigan fans will use their newly rediscovered voting power. Does only football count for the AD? How many bad seasons does a coach get? Etc. This is going to be interesting going forward. And yeah, I don't think 'muggle' is an insult, unless it is coupled with one. We didn't use it, we used civilian. It's jargon. Now, ballplayers do think they know more about playing ball than others, and if anyone is shocked by that, I would ask that they release the pearls that they are clutching right now. I think I am a better lawyer than Brian, who is a better engineer than me. Whoopty-doo.

MI Expat NY

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:28 AM ^

I thought your last paragraph was suggesting as much.  Apologies for putting words in your mouth.

I do think the players mentioned in Brian's post are largely taking the attitude that the athletes are the only ones capable of knowing what makes a good AD.  And to be fair, how the AD treats athletes is a part of his gig, and it seems Brandon was excellent at that.  However, it's only a part of the gig and that's what the athletes are losing sight of.  

Throwing this in here, I too would like to know what Dileo thinks the problem is if it's not Hoke/Brandon.  Other coaches? Players? Is there no problem?  I'm genuinely intrigued by what he thinks the problem is, assuming it's more than simply not wanting a coach he liked to be fired.  

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^

I could be totally wrong, but I would guess that Dileo would blame the losses on the players. Which is a totally reasonable thing for a player to believe. They are trained, after all, to believe that if they just do what they are told, they will win. Doesn't make him right. But it does make him a good team mate. This is the kind of guy that will eventually get Michigan out of the hole. No passing the buck. Accountability. I'm encouraged by the team's mentality, actually. They are good soldiers.

Bando Calrissian

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^

Until the players find a way to fund their own Athletic Department, it seems to me they don't have a lot of say about how alumni, donors, etc. feel when the AD treats them like shit and/or ATM machines. Players don't pay the bills--we do, for better or worse. 

At the end of the day, if players are actually students and members of the campus community, why do people like you and Mealer and others keep acting like they're some holier-than-thou caste of special people as far as Michigan is concerned? Muggles? Really? Hence why there's been so much talk over the past two weeks about repairing the relationship between the Athletic Department, student-athletes, and the campus as a whole. 

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^

I don't think I've ever intimated that I am holier than you or anyone else. I also spoke up about the muggle/civilian thing knowing full well that it was a can of worms. And that most fans have never considered the players' opinions of them. It could get ugly, but the truth will set us free. Players like fans when the fans support players, and dislike fans when they don't. It is the mirror image of the fans, who like the players when the team is good and dislike players when the team is not. This doesn't upset me. Also, call me a cynic, but I don't think the athletic department really cares about repairing the relationships. They need to make concessions to get fans back on board. Because fans are money. They need to get the team up to snuff. Because the team is money.

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^

I honestly didn't think Mealer's initial comments were meant as an insult. I'm coming around to the idea based on subsequent comments by other players. In any event, I don't think anyone should be (or really is) surprised that ballplayers think they are the cocks of the walk or that they see themselves as more qualified to judge sport-related issues than fans. I'm not saying they are right, but do you really expect them to think that their life experience to date has not given them any extra insight?

Brian

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^

Come on, man. That was a dig all the way.

As you mention, no one is surprised by this... but isn't that part of the problem? These guys can't concieve of a world where fucking up PR so badly so that the world "Michigan" is equated with incompetence nationwide even matters. 

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:56 AM ^

Maybe it was a dig. You probably won't get me to say something bad about a Michigan football player. Sorry. It's a wizard thing. Your second point is wonderful. But, most ballplayers don't think of PR in terms much deeper than "how are we playing?" The guys really believe that if they were winning, there would be no PR nightmares. And maybe its because I used to be in their shoes, but I tend to agree. Some of them think that if they were winning, there would be peace on earth. That's how focused they are on football. That is also why they hate when people knock their coaches or AD. That's not to say they are right, but their mentality should be foreseeable. Or maybe it just seems that way to me. I don't think Mealer hates Michigan fans. I think he is a young man who is hurt by the resignation of someone he likes. He is lashing out. And he thinks that the AD wasn't the problem, but that the team playing poorly was. Which is natural. He was trained to believe that he and his team are responsible for their successes and failures. I would be more concerned about our team if they were all happy about the AD resigning -- that might be a sign of them passing the buck.

RockinLoud

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^

But the reason they're not winning is part of the bigger issue, that's what they don't seem to get. I understand why they don't, I too played football at the collegiate level for a year, and I don't blame them for reacting that way. But that doesn't mean it's correct, they just don't have the proper perspective to see the forest for the trees.

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^

I'm not saying they are right. I think a new coach will work wonders for them. But I don't think we should want them to feel that way. We want them to be good soldiers. That is what will make them a good team in the coming years. We do not want a team full of players that blame their coaches, that's for sure.

westwardwolverine

November 3rd, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

This is pretty much it.

There's just a lot of frustration on all sides and its coming out. Down the road and deep down (it'll probably never be admitted publicly) they'll come around and realize that in the long run, getting rid of Brandon and hiring a different coach was the right choice, but for right now there's a lot of bad blood. 

 

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^

I tend to agree with Brian on this issue, but you do raise some valid points.  Initially, I was inscensed by the players speaking out like they did, but having read some of your thoughts I this, I'm not so angry anymore.

But it is still a problem.  And I do believe it is a culture fostered by Brandon.   The most important thing now is to get someone who can start to heal the rift, and bring those inside the athletic department together with those outside.  The sense of 'sharing' sports always seems to be a sentiment brought up by the almuni who laid the base of devotion that resulted in a 8 year waiting list for season tickets.  And that sense is gone.  And the PR lessons that Brandon seems to have extended to the athletic department are not helping anything.  If UM aspires to be such a popular team, then they need to learn to embrace their support base, or the program will only decline.  It's not natural to ask people to put their money and emotions on the line only to treat them with contempt; they will eventually just walk away.

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

I can promise you that this isn't a Brandon thing. It's not even a Michigan thing, or a football thing. Athletes feel this way because it is how they are trained to feel. I said a while ago that athletes are brainwashed. Some people took offense to that. But its true. They believe they control their destiny. Just block and tackle, read your keys, make your plays, and everything is OK. It's how they see the world. FWIW, I dont expect you to take my side. I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm not even saying the players are right. I'm just lucky enough to have been in their shoes, so I understand their mentality, and I think its good for fans to know it. I wish there was a way to get the players to see the fans POV, but there really isn't. This will change when, like me, they can't afford season tickets. That's life, man.

mGrowOld

November 3rd, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^

Reader - I appreciate your insight into the minds of the players but wouldnt your arguement be a whole lot more relevant if the discussion was around the firing of Hoke, not Brandon?  The mindset that winning cures everything would certainly hold as it relates to coaching football but how does it apply to the selection and/or retention of the CEO of the Athletic Department?  

My issue with the tweets recently from the players is that they seem to believe that they and only they are "qualified" to judge the AD and us muggles should have no input in the matter.  That to me is laughable.  How can they possibly believe that the experience of playing football puts them in a superior position to older, more experienced muggles who've actually run companies, evaluated CEOs and been responsible for budgetary decisions in the 100's of millions of dollars such as the next AD will need to be?  

Even in my 20's I knew enough to know that other people had skillsets and training that were far superior to my own in many, many areas so I went to lawyers, doctors, accountants and such and didnt claim to possess the skills they had when I needed their services.  How on earth can players look at each other and say "yup - of all the people out there it's us football players that have the best ability to evaluate the AD and everything surrounding the job expecations that come with it and it wasnt for those damn muggles all would be right in the world."

I'll buy your arguement if this discussion was about Hoke and the coaching the players recieve.  But it's not - it's about Brandon and the leadership of the Athletic Department so the "players just need to play better" arguement I dont think holds.  The problem is deeper than that.

westwardwolverine

November 3rd, 2014 at 1:21 PM ^

Its pretty simple: They are young men who see someone who gave them a lot of things being thrown out and they don't like it. They didn't have to deal with all the shit the fans have dealt with over the last few years. They think the fans have turned on them and so if the fans are attacking Brandon, well its an attack on Michigan football because Dave Brandon is a part of Michigan football. At 20-23, I'm sure you didn't think everything through rationally. I know I didn't. I still don't all the time. 

Down the road they'll probably realize that firing Dave Brandon was the right call.

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 1:22 PM ^

To be clear, I'm not saying they are right. As for Brandon: He was good to them, he is a former player so a member of the 'frat', he hired their coach, etc. There are a lot of reasons for players to like him. As for the winning cures all, I think that works for Brandon as well as Hoke. There were legitimate reasons to want Brandon gone, but the movement didn't start until the team started losing. Make no mistake, Brandon resigned because the football team is not playing well. The other stuff might be important, but winning would have papered over it. As for what makes a good AD, I dont think anyone really knows. Brandon was both a football guy and an experienced businessman. Seemed like a good fit. And you referenced training, but what training is there for being an AD? Brandon has experience in all of the areas that you mention, and he was a disaster. With ADs, as with coaches, we know a good one and a bad one when we see them. But we don't really know what makes them good beforehand. My opinion, anyways.

jmblue

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^

It may be an insult but regardless, it's just a young man venting his frustration.  In Mealer's case, he removed the tweet within hours, so we're basically condemning him for a gut reaction which he recognized was over the top.  

 There will be more of this when Hoke is let go. We can choose to be offended or just accept that it's pretty normal for players to be frustrated in these cases.  Usually they move on when they meet the new guy.

gbdub

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:27 PM ^

Reader71, your post would make sense if Mealer was admonishing the players for playing so poorly that the AD got canned. But he was "smh-ing" the Muggles instead. I rather think he'd be even more pissed off if the Muggle ire was directed at the players (who, in your argument, are the ones actually to blame). Maybe losing at football isn't Brandon's fault directly, but he certainly deserves more blame than the fans. But to the wizards, it's all the fans' fault. I don't see a lot of personal accountability, and certainly no respect for the fans (who are supposed to be fellow students, not a different species) - maybe respect and accountability are what your coaches taught you, and good for them, but that doesn't seem to be the current palyers' attitude. Remember you aren't in THIS locker room either, so while you certainly have more experience than most of us, it may or may not really be fully relevant to what THESE players are being taught.

As an aside, I find it odd that Mealer has any particular loyalty to Brandon, who rather nastily fired the guy that helped his brother walk again, but that's one place where I really don't know exactly how it went down.

egrfree2rhyme

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^

Yeah, but Reader71 isn't saying that Mealer blames the fans for us losing.  What he's saying is that it's not Brandon's fault that we've been losing and if the fans realized that they shouldn't have wanted him fired.

FWIW I'm thrilled that Brandon is gone; just trying to interpret everyone's arguments though.

Reader71

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^

Few things. Your post conflates a lot of issues. Meager isn't blaming the fans for the team's play. He is blaming them for the ouster of Brandon. And he is right. The fans did it. What you are arguing with Mealer about is of it was a good or bad thing. As for Mealer bashing the team in public, it ain't happening. Don't expect it. You are right, I'm not in this locker room. But I know what the general feeling is, and this isn't much different. And I do know what Hoke teaches and stresses. As to why Mealer likes Brandon, who knows? But I don't see why you find odd a relationship that you admittedly know nothing about.

gbdub

November 3rd, 2014 at 1:34 PM ^

I don't expect Mealer to bash the team in public. I expect him to bash exactly nobody in public. Instead, he chose to publicly bash the group of people least responsible for the struggles.

As for conflation, I was only responding to your posts, which brought football performance into the mix. I was reading your argument to be basically, "Mealer is mad at fans for being mad at Brandon, because in Mealer's mind the only problem is that the team is playing poorly, and only the players should be accountable for that". My apologies if that's not what you meant.

I'm curious how/if you know what role Brandon and the rest of the AD had in shaping the attitudes of the players. This is an actual question, not a rhetorical device - my possibly flawed understanding was that you played for Hoke somewhere else, and I was not aware that you had direct insight into today's Fort Schembechler. I don't think Hoke himself is a totally different man, but the approach and general atmosphere at Michigan are probably rather different (no offense intended, but "This is Ball State, fergodsakes" doesn't have quite the same ring to it). I'm genuinely curious if you have that insight / source - no need to name names but I would approach your argument differently if that's the case.

schreibee

November 3rd, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^

I may be jumping in this debate WAY too late, but I have a huge problem with the messenger in this "muggle" issue. Who (along with his family) has benefitted more from the outpouring of the type of passion, dedication and support engendered by being a part the Michigan family? This includes students, alums and millions of fans. Unquestioned support, carrying on for his family after Eliott's participation in football has ended. It actually shocks me to hear this person, of all people, rip the people who care about the University of Michigan! It really makes me fully understand the word "entitlement" in a way that removes it from the political hot potato it usually serves as. Disappointing!

JFW

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^

"Some (football players) of them think that if they were winning, there would be peace on earth."

Isn't that a true statement though? If Michigan is 8-0 and having just trounced State and putting 3rd stringers in to avoid embarrasing IU after Gardner put up 400 yards running and 300 yards passing running read option spread, then yes. I think most people here are ecstatic and only making minor complaints.  I don't think Brian is nearly the firebrand he is/was about Brandon in that situation. Yes, most fans, myself included, are that fickle. 'Fireworks after games?? ho ho ho; that Crazy Brandon and his whacky ideas!'

The way things are now....I'm very worried about the program going forward. The split between alumni players and fans is a problem; and it might well affect how well they play. Its not a sign of a healthy organization. Hopefully a new AD can start to fix this. 

I'm also a little worried about the newly found voting power. Democracy is wonderful for many things, I don't know its always a great idea for a college  program. An enraged fan base could do good things, like remove Brandon. They could also do poor things like get us on a coaching carousel because By God We Should be Winning and Doin' Good ain't Got No End!!!

 

Yinka Double Dare

November 3rd, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

Of course, if they're 8-0, one of sins of Brandon (he blew the football hire) doesn't exist. And we would all still complain about the corporatization of the Michigan sports experience, but it's a lot easier to deal with it if you appear to be getting results, i.e., getting something for all that money that they're wringing out of the fans.

But that's the thing - run it more like a pro team, and make the experience less college (and all the fuzzies that go with that) and more pro, and you get treated like a pro team, where fans say "screw this" when the team isn't winning and refuse to pay the pro prices.

tolmichfan

November 3rd, 2014 at 8:40 PM ^

Should it surprise us that the players liked Brandon, no he did a lot of good things for them. If I was a player on this team I would be going into a siege mentality. They are being attacked by fans in the stadium...us booing them, in the media... Including this blog, and I would imagine on the street. So I am glad they still have fire in thier bellies and are ready to fight. Hopefully they take that to the field and win some games. It should be time to come together and support this team for the rest of the year. We know if Hoke keeps loosing he is gone so we might as well support them and let the rest of the year play out.

patrickdolan

November 3rd, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^

...they have surgery. And they know that fans will turn on them in a heartbeat. (Fans call athletes "gutless" and "stupid" and say "they don't care," all the time. Even UM fans.) So let them have their say.

I can live with "muggles." I've been called worse. Anyway, Hermione and Harry are muggles.

Seriously, the experiences of the athletes in a Division I revenue sport are nothing like ours as students or fans. 

That's the problem, by the way, not the opinions addressed.

patrickdolan

November 3rd, 2014 at 3:38 PM ^

...they have surgery. And they know that fans will turn on them in a heartbeat. (Fans call athletes "gutless" and "stupid" and say "they don't care," all the time. Even UM fans.) So let them have their say.

I can live with "muggles." I've been called worse. Anyway, Hermione and Harry are muggles.

Seriously, the experiences of the athletes in a Division I revenue sport are nothing like ours as students or fans. 

That's the problem, by the way, not the opinions addressed.

charblue.

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:52 AM ^

entitled to express their view. And most of those doing so, are not current students. I have no doubt thet Dave Brandon represented himself well and treated student-athletes under his watch with great respect. But that's not what got Brandon in trouble with the rest of the university community.

And I will add this, because I think they have forgotten how Mr. Brandon made Coach Hoke look ridiculous by not consulting with him over a joint response to the Shane Morris matter. To me, that failure to lead by supporting your coach and directly addressing an issue before the press is an exclamation point on failed communication, one that President Schissel no doubt saw as critical in his assessment of Brandon's performance afterward and why Brandon found it necessary to immediately go on his public relations tour.

Brandon screwed his coach and by extension his players by making him look unprepared and uncaring before the press, and the outside world got a clear glimpse of failed leadership inside the Michigan football lockerroom. And you didn't have to be a wizard or muggle to see it.

jmdblue

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:29 AM ^

"muggle" or "civilian".  I do have a problem with athletes thinking only they are entitled to a legitimate opinon regarding the athletic program.  I'm pretty comfortable saying "Sweet Cherry Pie", $4 bottles of water to keep my kids hydrated, $100 tix for the price of 2 bottles of coke, and getting in snarky email battles after midnight with disgruntled fans all suck.  And suck badly.  Brandon's list of offenses is long and embarrassing and one needn't be a player to criticize it.

GoWings2008

November 3rd, 2014 at 11:37 AM ^

I honestly understand the muggle/civilian comments.  I'm equally as motivated when I defend the military/Air Force or the AF Academy...groups I was privileged to be part of.  But when you don't have to be part of said group to feel the effects of someone's inputs (like DBs) then you most definitely have room to have your opinion.  If the players/former players don't get that, then they must not understand why fans are pissed. 

Rabbit21

November 3rd, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^

I agree, it was awful to be an Air Force Academy grad during the height of the early 2000's Oprah witch-hunt and that taught me a lot about how to handle being associated with an insitution that can;t seem to get out of it's own way without disenaging.

I think the main thing is to recognize that there are certain things that people on the outside won't get, but to use deragatory terms for those on the outside or say things like "You just don't know.", helps nothing whereas actually explaining your perspective goes a long way with people who are fair minded.  I think the athlete's have felt under siege for a long time and it's natural to see this, but in the age of twitter we get the BS, without the defense and that's a shame.

 

matty blue

November 3rd, 2014 at 12:43 PM ^

is absolutely an insult.  us non-players don't know what we're talking about.

i get what you're saying, but to take your example a step farther, i don't know anything about the law, but that doesn't mean i can't see when the law screws something up. 

i can also see when a football team is screwed up, i don't need to be part of the team to see it.

WCHBlog

November 3rd, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^

Of all the ways Michigan football has disappointed this season, the constant attitude of "Things Are Fine and You Just Don't Get It" from current/near-current players is the absolute most disappointing.

umumum

November 3rd, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^

Seriously, I defy Mealer to be specific.  We don't get that Brandon was good to the players?  We get that.  We don't get how hard it is to win football games?  Even if true, that would be a defense of Hoke or the players and not Brandon.  What about Brandon's running of an athletic department does Mealer (and  other student athletes) understand better than highly educated adults in the real world?   Its a bit like finding out that not everyone loves your mother.

MaizeAndBlueWahoo

November 3rd, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^

Also, I am just incredibly sick of these former players acting like only they know anything.  Mealer gets even less slack than most from me on this because of the incredible amount of support he got from the fans during his time.

I'm always haranguing on how easy it is to get college players fired up about having been disrespected, and how easy it is to foment an us-against-the-world mentality.  IMO this happens to be the ugly side of that.  I think they're starting to believe it a little too much.