Turns out the RR argument was the real cause of the Enterprise being caught in that temporal casuality loop with the Bozeman. That tidbit must've been editted from the episode for time purposes.
NONDESCRIPT SOLAR SYSTEM IN MILKY WAY
AN OPEN LETTER TO THE PEOPLE OF EARTH
Citizens of the planet, I come before you today to make an announcement. That announcement is: I do not give a microdamn about the things 1) Rich Rodriguez or 2) Michigan alumni such as Desmond Howard have to say about Michigan and Rich Rodriguez, respectively.
My interest levels are declining into femtodamn levels. On message boards I now flip past entire threads in which the same tired debates are brought forth with the speed and determination I ignore threads about politics on the internet. Let that sink in. Yeah. That's right. I have as much interest in this topic as I do Herman Cain.
So I don't want to dedicate yet more time to a guy who was fired a year ago except to talk about the things that made his offense very effective and his defense very ineffective. Those things affect Michigan's fortunes on the field and are interesting examples of the ever-evolving college football metagame. Also interesting, if slightly depressing, is the pickle Rodriguez's last couple recruiting classes have left Michigan in, especially on both lines.
Talking about other aspects of Rich Rodriguez's tenure makes me want to claw at my face. But I will do this for you, like I will eat a lemon if Yuri Wright picks Colorado over Michigan. So here is a handy chart for you to follow.
1. Is it about Michigan? If yes, go to 2. If no, go to 3.
2. Is it really about Michigan or is it a paranoid delusion? If paranoid delusion, go to 3. If still about Michigan, go to 4.
3. Don't care.
4. Still don't care. However, this incident is further evidence that Rodriguez is deservedly bitter about his three year tenure at Michigan and impolitic about discussing it.
Yes, it is further evidence that Rodriguez's maturity level and ability to play "the game" are low. Yes, it reminds me how nice it is to have a guy like Brady Hoke, who says all the correct things in all the generic ways possible. Yes—
What? Where am I? Why am I upside down in some sort of river valley? Why is there a bridge above/below me?
I was probably bungee jumping at the time in an effort to prevent the inevitable—this is the level of my dedication to you, reader—but this topic was still massively boring enough to result in nappy times. I apologize. I'm so, so happy to be talking about this, no, serious—
1. Is it about Rich Rodriguez? If yes, go to 2. If no, go to 3.
2. Is it really about Rich Rodriguez or is it more of a rapturous thing about Brady Hoke that sets the lack of support given during the Rodriguez tenure in stark relief? If rapturous thing, go to 3. If actually about Rodriguez, go to 4.
3. Yes, that is annoying but let's just suck it up because it's in the best interests of the program.
4. Yes, it is extremely disappointing that certain program alumni appear to be jerks. What can you do, though?
To take one example, when you're so dim and callous as to deride Rodriguez as "Cherry Coke"—probably meant "New Coke"—in front of 60-70 players who were recruited by Rodriguez, are the living embodiment of that change, and went 10-2 and reached the Sugar Bowl, well… that's hopeless. Anyone who would trash-talk Denard, even indirectly, is never going to Get It.
It's further evidence that several recent program alums' maturity levels are low. It reminds me of how nice it was to have Bo around. There's nothing to do about it but wait. Eventually the Rodriguez recruits will be out of the program and the Rodriguez years far enough in the—
Right, this again. Upside down in a river valley.
If I can remain conscious long enough to respond to these things in the future, all future events will be filed "3" or "4". This, people of Earth, is my sacrifice for your well-being. Let it not be in vain. File these things 3 or 4 and live your lives without Rodriguez-Michigan-induced narcolepsy. You, too, can live—
An upside-down Brian Cook who would greatly appreciate being reeled in now
PS. Many of you have passed out in front of your computers and are in danger of entering an infinite loop wherein you wake up, forget what you were reading, begin reading again, and fall asleep. In an effort to prevent the thousands of deaths that may result, here is an animated GIF of some levitating cats.
Hopefully this will catch the newly-awakened reader's eye sufficiently to prevent them from entering a fatal boredom loop.
is going to do or not do to the list? I don't give a #$%&#@ anymore.
Holy crap yes, this. I am so sick of hearing about Urban Meyer. I feel like there never used to be this many pointless forum posts. Am I remembering in rose-colored glasses?
couldnt resist (please don't ban me, please don't ban me)
So, can we now expect daily posts on why you think David Brandon is the worst thing ever? I can't wait...
Shoe sighting 2:00. Where the fuck have you been. You won't believe it but Michigan went 10-2 this year. It's been awesome
That is simply untrue. The season preview was considerably more optimistic than the average prediction.
Find me something more optimistic than "A fully healthy Michigan looks like a (fringe) contender for a division crown, but football teams are not fully healthy" and a prediction of 8-4 with 9-3 more likely than than 7-5 that wasn't written by a 13 year old on Bleacher Report.
What I did argue for was a heavy shotgun based offense that revolves around Denard's legs, and worried that its lack would lead to poor performance. That prediction was borne out precisely both in wins and losses.
You made those predictions September 2, 2011, I think Shoe had already cancelled his subscription by that point, due to the unnecessary, unsound, ubiquitous, nature of your whining.
You probably don't need to fan the flames by calling people that appreciated Rodriguez for what he was (aka "supporters") idiots. I'm not sure if that was your intention or not, but its offensive and just continues the family feud. I miss having you around here Shoe, but not if you're going to talk about fellow MGoUsers in that fashion.
Ah, I see, we're arguing about the things I've written that you haven't read. I don't think this will go well for you.
Can't we all just get along?
...but after being one of the best sources of information on MGoBlog for Michigan-related news that flew a little under the radar, you have now devolved into exclusively a cynic that flames Brian and all his readers when they 1) criticize Dave Brandon, and 2) try to mediate the chaos that are emotionally-driven Rich Rodriguez arguments.* Yet there's a sect of MGoBlog users that prefer to posbang your cynicism because apparently, that's what this blog needs to display: more emotionally-driven garbage about how Brian has lost his way and idiotic MGoRats can do nothing but... uh... infest MGoBlog... like idiots? You'll have to remind me why MGoRat is a relevant metaphor; personally, I think MGoParrot works better for your perspective, though I still think it's wrong.
Is this what this blog is for? I get it if someone needs to get called out, but if people actually agree with Brian's perspective, then there has to be some assumed merit to his words**. If you disagree with Brian and other blog users, there are more respectful ways to approach him from writing an e-mail about it to replacing the "You all suck!" comments to stating WHY you think it's wrong for him to criticize Dave Brandon (reasons regarding why what Dave Brandon did was good) to a simple "I disagree/The issue is overblown". Giving him--and all the readers that praised Brian for this position--a giant middle finger when he is doing what YOU WANT HIM TO DO puts you into troll category. "Yeah, you're doing the right thing now, but remember the time when you did something wrong and I disagreed with you? That shows you're bad."
Disclaimer: If your account has been hijacked by someone that is now using your profile to troll (gaining support using your assumed reputation), I will ready my trenchcoat with my sawed-off shotguns, M60, ammo belt, grenades, and sub-machine guns to bring back old MGoShoe, because damn was his material insightful and interesting to read.
*I'm sorry, I didn't read the front-page post where Brian told his readers to rehash stale arguments about a former head coach. Turns out you didn't either. Wait, Brian already used that joke? Oh well, it was still funny to me.
**OTOH, if Brian is some demon that attracts the cultist worshippers to follow him, your efforts are wasteful anyway.
You are not being called out for being hyberbolic but for being wrong, and for not even bothering to read what you're trashing.
But, hey - it's your blog. I'm just a guy hiding behind a pseudonym.
Your name ISN'T Mgo Shoe? I'm so disillusioned.
Brian was later than some to arrive at the Hoke Uber Alles party, but he has definitely acknowledged his emo phase. I refer you to http://mgoblog.com/content/story-2011-mitigating-william-caines:
It's no secret I've been one discontent blogger ever since the Mississippi State game transpired. In retrospect a lot of my criticisms don't make sense. I thought Michigan should keep Rodriguez after the Ohio State game and fire him after the bowl; I ripped David Brandon for not firing Rodriguez before the bowl if he was going to do the deed. I knew Denard Robinson was the most awesome dude ever and I still assumed he'd transfer. When I interviewed people for the Tim/Tom opening I asked each of them if they disagreed with something I'd written in the past year or so and asked them to argue about it with me; seven of the ten sought tactful ways to remind me that I'd posted "We Are ND*" above the press release announcing Hoke's hire. One just said I'd embarrassed myself with my pettiness. This turned out to be less useful of a question than I'd hoped since by that point I agreed.
That was from August of this year. As a semi-regular around here, I have seen "I was wrong" about 12 different ways since then. When the last guy on board has been on board for 4 months, the debate is officially stale.
Beyond that, I do think it's important to distinguish between the RichRod debate and the Dave Brandon debate. To put it in terms with which you are familiar, RichRod is the shell after it has left the cannon. He's gone. His impact may be felt for a while, but nothing you do now will change anything downrange. Dave Brandon is the guy aiming the battery. Debating after each volley won't change where the last rounds landed, but it remains relevant because he's the guy aiming the next rounds as well.
9 months of complete negativity, with a heaping dose of snide insults (come on, he actually said the man was probably going to get paid in donuts) > 3 months of "wow, he actually does do things the way I like it...I'm surprised, and was wrong about that" throwaways.
If you're going to get nasty and personal, it goes beyond football judgement. "Wrong" is nice; "sorry" would be better.
I was pretty disappointed by the snide personal stuff as well. But IIRC, that part only really lasted for a month or so. The general lamentations lasted far beyond that, but after the February it was largely limited to (a) football-related concerns, and (b) Dave Brandon's increasing tendency to Not Get It.
He hated Hoke for what Brian thought he was, and what he represented, rather than what he actually was. Tried saying at the time he was a good coach, and a better person. He didn't railroad or fire Rich. He just said "yes" when what he thinks is the best job in the world was offered to him. Frankly, Brady is all the man I thought he'd be, but he's even a better coach than I thought he'd be...and I thought he was pretty darn good. But his confidence in himself, to hire great staff, and in games...a bit more riverboat gambler than I would have predicted, and I love it too.
The problem lies in balance. A month or so (which is probably a good estimate) of acting only slightly better than the worst of the Rich Rod haters + 6 more months of doom and gloom + overreacting to ever little thing - finding anything positive till the season began is going to take more to overcome than the occassional aside about being wrong about some things. And the bigger problem lies in the seeming attitude that "I was never really THAT bad about it...see, I said they could go 9-3" (even though on the radio he seemed to be leaning more towards 7-5), and act like for awhile there, he was a flaming ass, which then upgraded to Debbie downer. I don't expect/think there's necessarily a need for a front page post apology or anything. I'm not in anyone's head or heart. And as Profit said, people change their minds. It's just going to take more to balance the scales of opinion. And what Shoe is saying is that making every little molehill into a mountain means people tune you out when something bad DOES happen. Pick your hills to die on.
This last uniform one...frankly, they look pretty good. They're not really that different. We've made likewise changes to the road uniforms. They were going to be for sale anyway, because they're sticking a big old Sugar Bowl patch on them. The too much, too fast argument holds merit; but if they had worn the MSU disasters again for the bowl, they'd have had one less variation to the uniform combos this year, but even more complaints. We could wear the basic whites, but I'm not even sure what those are supposed to look like anymore with all the color changes we've had in them over the years (the WV stripes were a bigger change than this).
It just seems that it carries on the bitterness, in impression, if not reality, because Brandon went from Pimp Hand "who would see what's going on in the lockerroom and never fire Rich so deal with it fanboys" to greedy money grubber the day the Process went on too long for whoever, and he fired Rich. Then he can do no right. When the reality is he did some dumb things before he fired Rich, and some smart things after he fired Rich. He's human, with is own ideas, that don't all line up with Brian's, my own, or anyone else's. I think meltdowns should be saved for what you really care about, and not every thing. (For me, it was OSU as the last game of the year...still not sure it's perfect with the divisions, but that was my hill to die on). Because it may be that you're over Hoke, but continuing the lock step negativity makes it look like one is really not over something. I don't think it's Rich anymore. But a general malaise, when really, an occassional bumblebee look aside, and a bit too much Neil Diamond, things are looking pretty good in Michigan Athletics right now.
I don't quite understand why Brian gets shit for being skeptical of Hoke. But I think this is the main reason: He, as most scientists/engineers/rational people tend to do, makes judgements based on evidence. In other words, this is a results based endeavour.
In Jan, Hoke had a questionable resume (compared to Harbaugh/Urban/"home-run" candidates). It seemed reasonable to question Hoke's resume at the time.
As Hoke developed the '12 recruiting class, this was evidence in favor of the hypothesis that Hoke will be successful at M.
As Hoke developed the '11 team into 10 wins, this was more evidence in favor of the hypothesis that Hoke will be successful at M.
And so, you slowly saw brian ammend his hypothesis based on the continuously developing amount of evidence.
Many people who give him shit for this just put (blind? IDK) faith into whomever is the HC. They operate on belief, not evidence.That's not how Brian operates, as far as I can tell and that's what I think causes the rift.
If Brian had actually approached the Hoke hire with a detached, scientific approach, he wouldn't have gotten much flack. Instead, he decided to be a drama queen about it, posting the "We are ND" clip repeatedly, predicting mass transfers and all sorts of doom. Later he took a Hoke comment out of context (the one about not running zone blocking all the time) and again flipped.
He is being a drama queen now about the uniform changes. I don't know why people are acting like he's some calm, collected analyst. He's a fan, in all the good and bad that brings.
Brian's erratic posting and editorial stance does not help the cause of legitimizing blogs in the media market.
I was thinking it was nice that MGoShoe was back.
You have been missed. How was Tibet?
I'm honestly not taking sides here.
But if you're all enlightened and shit from Tibet, why aren't you calmer?
Seems like you came back full of piss and vinegar.
You said the MAGIC WORD!!!
Who is this Rodriguez cat we keep talking about?
Get with the program, Jamie.
We can certainly keep talking about her. In fact, I would endorse that its not even Off Topic
She looks like an Ohio fan to me.
you mean Rodriquez.
Anyone remember MGoVictors13 (I think his name was something like that). The dude absolutely refused to spell Rodriguez correctly despite being corrected numerous times. I believe he chose to leave the blog rather than spell the name correctly.
I don't know if this is a reference to Boogie Nights or another user (like the other guy points out) but one of you is a genius. I'd +1 you if I could.
I've visited this site a lot but have not posted before, partly because I hate the constant RR arguing all the time. At this point I really don't care whose fault it was that Mallett transferred or that we lost 3 yards on an outside running play to Illinois in 2008. People need to move on.
The Internet law that says the longer a thread goes, the more likely it is that someone will compare someone/something to Hitler/the Nazis has, I believe a corollary. The longer a thread re: UM football goes, the more likely it is that someone will say something denegrating or praising RR and create a firestorm, until the likelihood becomes 100%.
I couldn't agree more with Brian on this one. Time to move on, my friends.
It's called Godwin's Law and you just broke it.
and that number of posts in a thread is threeve.
Redirect all anger toward uniform fashion and piped-in stadium rock. And I would like to add one more thing: why is the stadium food even worse after the remodel? I thought we had a food guy as our AD.
Domino's Pizza is also terrible, though. Obviously the two are related.
FIRE DICK FRAUD
Does this mean you won't be hosting a Q&A with Bacon, about his book, which is 100% about Rich Rodriguez?
If Brian won't host it, I think I will.
That is, when I am not doing my pre-bowl two-a-days, working on my conditioning and my focus and my concentration because the team the team the team can't possibly do it without me and unless my focus is 110%. And I must not be distracted by anything else.
You heard the man. Ain't nobody want ot hear from you anything concerning the Freep, Rosenberg, or maltreatment of RR, keep that shit on your blog. Ya hear?
You mean you don't want to know WTF he was thinking when he hired Greg Robinson?
I think the concensus is like this: if we must have another front-page post about Bacon's book, then yeah, the "WTF?" questions should be asked. But we'd be fine if the topic just went away altogether.
Have you read the book yet, or are you going to keep up the hand-wringing routine about whether or not you will while still posting in every single thread about it?
Brian, man, you kind of sound like a drug addict here. In the original post you were all, "RR is out of my life." But now here you're jonesing again for a RR/GERG fix.
Stay strong. We don't need to rehash those three crappy years again. You've talked enough about the book.
Why he didn't put it in his book.
He had the chance to tell us these things. He didn't. It may have mattered 2 months ago; 30,000 copies later and headed to the Sugar Bowl, it's not keeping me awake at night anymore.
I really dont care.
I asked the same thing, Chitown.
So I don't want to dedicate yet more time to a guy who was fired a year ago except to talk about the things that made his offense very effective and his defense very ineffective.
Given that new information obtained from the Q&A with Bacon would be very relevant to "things that made [Rodriguez's] offense very effective and [Rodriguez's] defense very ineffective," I think that answers your question. Or proves this was a poor attempt at snark, whichever is more relevant.