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9/6/2014 – Michigan 0, Notre Dame 31 – 1-1

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[Bryan Fuller]

I set a new record for earliest departure from a Michigan game Saturday: 10 minutes and change, besting the 2007 Oregon game that I left with about six minutes left. And I feel… okay, I guess.

Ace and I did the podcast Sunday and it's actually kind of good. This is a far cry from previous podcasts in the aftermath of doom. The Alabama one was barely worth recording, and we knew it at the time. This one runs down the suck but there's a jaunty air and no one seems like they're taking the bar exam after a 72-hour bender.

We are used to it. And hey, man, Michigan outgained Notre Dame. I know we lost 31-0 but that was nowhere near as emasculating as that aforementioned Oregon game or the 2008 Ohio State game in which Brandon Minor was the only Michigan player who looked like he was in college instead of high school or last year's Michigan State game in which Michigan acquired –48 rushing yards. Or maybe it was but we can't tell because our football testicles have been ground away by the sandpaper of the last seven years and all we feel is increasing smoothness.

Yeah.

Yeah man.

Oh man. This feels really smooth.

I can't even remember why I didn't want this bit between my legs to be so flat you could try to set a land speed record over it.

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I don't know, man. You only have one thing to base predictions of the future on: the past. And the past suggested that Blake Countess was a pretty good cornerback who couldn't cope with Tyler Lockett. It didn't look like that on Saturday night. It looked like Tony Gibson was in town again.

Notre Dame built its unassailable lead on a series of man press-type coverages on which ND would break to the inside unmolested without a Michigan cornerback even there to tackle on the catch. That is a recipe for disaster. With Raymon Taylor knocked out and Channing Stribling burned just like Countess was on his first play, Michigan had no choice but to throw Countess out there again. He promptly ended up yards away from Will Fuller on the fade all the inside stuff had set Michigan up for.

Countess had six interceptions as part of a pretty good pass defense a year ago and while that was a passive zone thing you kind of figure that guys capable of doing that will be capable at man coverage.

That was emphatically disproven on Saturday, throwing the entire offseason into question. The deck chair shuffling of defensive coaches touted as the path forward now looks ludicrous.

If

  1. you're going to give your defense an extreme makeover based on pressure and man-to-man coverage and
  2. you rearrange your coaching staff so that your new cornerbacks coach is a guy who has never played or coached the position before and
  3. then your corners are a complete fiasco in their first real test, then

people are going to think that's a bad idea man.

By all accounts Roy Manning is a terrific recruiter and enthusiastic, dedicated coach. He's just not a secondary coach. That kind of random insertion at position X is something lower-level (like, DII) schools do because of limited resources. Michigan found itself in that position because…

I don't actually know. That was not a rhetorical pause.

Best as I can figure, Hoke loathes firing anyone. For most of last year it was expected that Borges would return because those were the vibes the program was emanating, and the about-face there still has conspiracy theorists asserting that Brandon made him make the switch. Approximately 80% of emails to me this offseason were some variant of FIRE DARRELL FUNK FERGODSAKES, and it's hard to imagine many programs sticking with the offensive line coach after that.

Meanwhile Hoke's standoffishness with everyone outside the program is increasing daily. Everyone inside the velvet rope is golden. Everyone on the outside is garbage. The bunker mentality is suddenly warranted, at least.

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Getting blown out 31-0 by Notre Dame is a gamechanging event. You can feel it in the nonsense decisions Hoke made in the second half. Michigan played turtle ball that saw Michigan run 35 seconds off the clock between snaps in the middle of the third quarter; they left Funchess and Gardner in the game deep into the fourth quarter. Let's look like we're trying without actually doing so. Make it look good for the boss.

Gardner ended up taking a lethal cheap shot on the final snap, and no one in a winged helmet seemed to notice or care. That was eerily reminiscent of the hockey team a couple years ago when Mac Bennett was the recipient of a dirty hit at the end of a 5-1 blowout at the hands of lowly BGSU. No one responded, and it was obvious they were cooked.

Hoke talks about toughness constantly, but when asked to defend their quarterback they walked away, to a man. Maybe that's Taylor Lewan's fault too.

This program has a real knack for blaming the people who aren't around anymore for its current failings. Let's detail those real quick: Michigan is 3-7 in their last ten games with wins over Indiana, Northwestern in three overtimes, and Appalachian State. Brady Hoke was 16-4 with Denard Robinson as his starting quarterback and is 11-9 since, excluding the Nebraska game he went out of. Michigan has one road win over a team with a winning record, that over 7-6 Illinois in 2011. The trajectory is not good.

This is a breaking point. Either Michigan comes to Jesus, or they break. It was at this moment that Michigan hockey turned to Andrew Copp, a freshman, because it was clear no one else had any of that leadership stuff, and charged towards respectability. They ended up short, but it was better than that BGSU game in which they couldn't muster a third-period shot until 15 minutes in.

There's time yet to salvage something, Lloyd Carr-style, but little reason to believe such a thing is possible. One thing's certain: we are running out of people to blame other than the ones in charge.

Highlights

From the ND perspective, not that there's any other possible:

MGoVideo has the Michigan version of events.

Awards

brady-hoke-epic-double-point_thumb_31[2]Brady Hoke Epic Double Points Of The Week. Devin Funchess (#1) was real good at catching the ball, especially that one time they targeted him downfield at the end of the third quarter.

#2 Willie Henry was a key component of a run defense that held Notre Dame to 72 yards, sacks and whatnot excluded.

#3 Ryan Glasgow was also a key component of that run D.

Honorable mention:

Epic Double Point Standings.

6: Devin Funchess (#1, APP, #1 ND)
2: Devin Gardner (#2, APP), Willie Henry (#2 ND)
1: Ryan Glasgow (#3, ND)
0.5: Kyle Kalis (T3, APP), Ben Braden (T3, APP)

Brady Hoke Epic Double Fist-Pump Of The Week.

For the single individual best moment.

Nothing.

Honorable mention: Nothing.

Epic Double Fist-Pumps Past.

AppSt: Derrick Green rumbles for 60 yards.
ND: Nothing.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK. Other than everything it has to be the fourth-and-three conversion on which Countess was nowhere to be found. That led to an ND touchdown that opened the margin to two touchdowns.

Honorable mention: Matt Wile misses two field goals to end longish drives and put Michigan in a hole. Gardner has Chesson wide open 20 yards downfield in front of his face, holds the ball, and gets annihilated, fumbling. Countess torched on a fade.

PREVIOUS EPBs

AppSt: Devin Gardner dares to throw an incomplete pass.
ND: Countess nowhere to be found on fourth and three.

[After the JUMP: things. probably!]

Offense

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[Fuller]

My perceptions of things are going to be warped. I have old-timey seats for home games and watch a lot of road games on TV, so I'm not used to the all-22-ish view endzone seats high up provide and don't feel particularly confident about evaluating anything line-related.

The thing about sitting there is that the field seems so unbelievably enormous and uncoverable, especially when there are two spreads going at each other.

Yup, spread. Michigan spent probably 80% of its night in a shotgun and with three wide or thereabouts. The personnel was often 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB; the tight ends acted as WRs maybe 40% of the time. And that seemed like the best option.

I'm still not sure how Michigan rushed for like two yards a carry; it felt like the line was actually opening up some holes. Speaking of…

Offensive line stuff. It also didn't feel like Gardner was under siege that much. There were a couple of inexplicable events where Sheldon Day (of all people) was left alone, but when they actually blocked guys the kind of pressure they were allowing was gentle pocket pushing that should have given Gardner enough time to get something done. He did not.

From my vantage point he looked confused; even aside from the turnovers—the fumble was truly boggling—he just did not get rid of the ball in a timely fashion. And the fumble was boggling. That pocket was fine; he had to move around a little but then had all day and a wide open Chesson right down the pipe. He ignored him.

TEMPO, TEMPO, TEMPO. I give up. IIRC, Gardner's first interception came on a play where Michigan got to the line late and had to snap or die, giving him little time to look at what the defense was providing and no time for the OL to identify a blitz off the corner that caused him to throw a ball to no one in a winged helmet. Then they were getting the play off with four seconds left on the clock in the third quarter. Michigan managed the clock worse than a team that burned all its first half timeouts in the first 12 minutes of the game.

This is not an offensive coordinator thing. This is a program thing. It is never going to be any better with Hoke in Ann Arbor.

Honeymoon: over. Despite the overall sensible shape of the offense, the swing away from Borges-ball was so severe that Michigan's first downfield shot at a 5'9" corner with Devin Funchess happened 45 minutes in. I'm flabbergasted by that. This wasn't throwing deep balls at Junior Hemingway in a trash tornado with Denard Robinson as your QB. It was an obviously good matchup for you featuring a height difference of at least a half-foot. It should have been tried on just about every drive.

Maybe I'll see a ton more pressure on Gardner that I thought existed watching the game live.

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so unbelievably tiny [Fuller]

Norfleet: extant. Dennis Norfleet was an unexpected focus of the offense in the first half; on the play above he caught up to a looping ball from Gardner for the world's shortest over-the-shoulder catch. Aside from one bubble screen he had no shot on, he was effective and productive. He even took a handoff for about ten yards. Hooray.

Speaking of that bubble: that kind of overplay is ripe for a riposte; Michigan never went back to it for the bubble-fake-to-slant-or-post thing.

Defense

The recovery. Jourdan Lewis was forced into a lot of playing time and suffered for it early. On ND's first touchdown drive he was the recipient of a couple of pass interference calls. This was one:

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[Bryan Fuller]

That was unnecessary panic. Check the sideline: the wide receiver is leaping into it. Lewis played that route about perfectly and freaked out when he'd already defeated the route.

But the run defense was great! Seriously, it was great. ND rushed for about 75 yards, sacks and whatnot excluded. ND's tailbacks each had a long of six yards and they only got as far as that because it felt like the linebackers were missing tackles on Cam McDaniel. On any other planet on any other day that is a foundation for victory. That is a win against a veteran offensive line and some good backs—Bryant in particular looked hard to bring down in ways that Michigan's backs are not.

No Peppers was bad. Delonte Hollowell got worked over in the slot, incapable of sticking with the slot receivers either inside or out. I wholeheartedly reject any idea that Michigan doesn't have enough talent or that injuries played a major factor when Notre Dame is down four starters, including their top WR; at this spot the dropoff was severe and understandable. Probably anyway, we haven't exactly seen Peppers play much.

Clark did have some impact. He was spinning around the left tackle with regularity, but Golson was mobile enough to get out of the way. Michigan didn't get enough contribution from a second guy to get Golson on the ground, and the guy is great on the move. They had one third and long conversion where he was flushed and put it on a guy's numbers 20 yards downfield and the coverage was actually tight. That one was just a tip of the hat.

Miscellaneous

Firing guy stuff. For the record, firing someone before the end of the regular season is a pointless exercise in self-immolation. I shouldn't have to say that, you're probably thinking, but I got a lot of emails and tweets about shoving Hoke out of the airplane on the way home. And, hey, Michigan could rip off a bunch of wins in a crappy conference and then this game is just a weird ND stadium juju thing. Information is good and we're about to get a lot more of it.

I do think this game changes the way an 8-4 season might be looked at, especially if it's followed by hamblastings at Michigan State (likely) and Ohio State (maybe not so likely). I don't know about everyone's dimestore psychological readings of Dave Brandon, a man who says "I could care less." Most assert that he won't admit he was wrong and will hold on to Hoke, but soft ticket demand threatens to undermine the only thing Brandon defenders have in their pocket: the annual budget's revenue line. Since Brandon defenders include Brandon, a move might happen as the guy attempts to save himself.

Of course, the prospect of another Brandon-led coaching search terrifies. You can deep-six an athletic director whenever you want. That would be the canary in the coal mine here.

The nicest thing about South Bend: going to a rivalry game without feeling like you may be assaulted at any time for wearing the wrong colors. I have been to Notre Dame five times and literally the worst thing that's happened to me is that a small child said "good game, mister" after Michigan lost 25-23 during the Navarre era. That will be the all-time record. I've gone to games that have nothing to do with Michigan wearing M gear and gotten more guff than I have in South Bend.

Weird that the same fanbase has the worst internet fans in the world, but you have to keep in mind that anyone talking about something on the internet is by definition part of the fringe—IIRC stats say 90% of people just read.

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Inside The Box Score:

Both teams had 8 TFLs. Notre Dame was able to overcome theirs. That may be because our defense only picked up 31 yards on our 8 TFLs, while they gained 52 yards.
* Only three of our 8 TFLs given up occurred in the first half, so I don't think you can blame them for the 21-0 deficit. That's a positive, right?
* Of the 8, only 2 were accrued by the running backs. For all the complaining about the offensive line, at least we're getting a stalemate or better in the running game. The problem is in the passing game where blockers are inexplicably leaving interior defensive lineman free to get to the QB, and the QB is not utilizing his pressure relief valves, i.e., the running backs. Joe Kerridge had 1 reception for 4 yards, and that's it for the RBs. When a team is blitzing consistently, the screen game or the quick dumpoff must be utilized. Joe Kerridge had 1 reception for 4 yards, and that's it for the RBs. Yes, that merits repeating because I thought we were done with that crap when Borges left.

Best And Worst:

Meh:  Pressure?

Honestly, I'm not sure what happened out there in terms of pressure from the defensive line.  You look at the box score and see some TFLs, 1 sack and a couple of QB hits and it looks like another disappointing outing for a unit that just can't seem to get to the QB against quality offensive lines.  And yet, ND was held to around 2.5 yards a carry on 28 non-QB runs, and Golson was definitely getting the ball out quickly to slow down the rush.  It still seems like it's a line of good players without a true playmaker, and in this scheme you need a line that can create havoc so that your corners and LBs are being forced to keep up with receivers for extended periods of time.  I know people want to treat this as another sign of hype being exposed, but I'm just not sure yet.

Elsewhere

Nussmeier gets the worst nut from the HSR:

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Might have to figure out what –1 is for State. Touch The Banner:

This offensive line isn't as bad as last year. Center Jack Miller was repeatedly shoved back into Devin Gardner's grill, and that's a problem. But not every team has a Jarron Jones. Mason Cole and Erik Magnuson had several communication issues on the left side, but that comes with the territory of starting a true freshman left tackle. Regardless of the numbers, I thought the offensive line looked closer to the one that opened up huge holes against Appalachian State than the one that soured the taste in our mouths in 2013. Michigan is not a team that can wear teams down by running the ball, but they should be able to run the ball enough to keep most defenses off balance.

The shutout streak is over. Sap issues no decals. The Mood:

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Comments

wbpbrian

September 8th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^

ND fans are were shitty to me. Everytime I walked around I would have drunk assholes in my face saying "Michigan fucking sucks" or "Hoke is a fat ass loser." You must be a lucky person Brian because that is the opposite experience I had. The worst part is that I have only left my house once since the game because I don't want to run into any of the ND fans around here. It is hard especially when its a five mile drive to the stadium from where I live.

PeteM

September 8th, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^

I don't disagree with the basic point that the corners didn't play well, but think that the fade to Fuller was basically undefendable from my vantage point.  Yes, Countess fell a couple of steps behind but Fuller caught the ball while leaping backwards in the air.  Unless Countess can seriously outleap him I think that one was just a perfect (or lucky) throw by Golston.

To me, the offensive ineptitude was worse than the defense's problems.  Despite the 31 points, I think the D will be fine.  As Brian points out, we stopped their running game.  The corners may have been playing poorly but Golston made some great throws that not every QB will complete.  On the other side, however, despite Devin's strong start, I never felt like we had any rythym offensively.  I'll wait for the UFR but it felt like Devin was under a lot of pressure but that may also have been a product of him holding the ball too long.

Brian mentions Chesson being open on one play but I'm also curious overall as to whether the receivers were generally open and not thrown to, or just not open.

mi93

September 8th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

I'm interested in your take on the D, as well as Brian's via UFR.  It sure seemed to me that after the two PIs on ND's first drive, we stopped pressing as much, which led to being slanted to death.  The line wasn't ever going to hit Golson much, what with 3-step drop after 3-step drop.  By then the D was on its heels and never bumped a route the rest of the night.  Obviously, my amatuer take.

On O, after missing the second FG, they seemed to give up the ghost as well.

This looked like a team that hung its collective head when the snowball started rolling downhill and the staff rode down with them.

If this team has a short memory regarding the scoreboard, they could respond well, but we won't know until after Utah.

MGOBOOB

September 8th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^

i have been the biggest hoke supporter from day 1 but i can honestly say that support is wavering based on the shit show i saw saturday. 3-7 in the last 10 games, another road loss to a rival, another game where the QB makes the same mistakes he made last year, a horrific 3rd down performance on both sides of the ball and a gameplan that was sketchy at best.

all game i noticed our offense was not snapping the ball until the game clock was with 5 seconds of expiring. it was beyond frustrating to watch on tv when nbc switches the color of the clock to red when it hits 7 seconds. that happened nearly EVERY offensive play. i actually thought the oline was decent. the RB's averaged 4YPC and i did not think gardner was under that much pressure. he just made some horrible decisions with the ball. ND baited him into throwing passes like he was a freshman starter.

 

 

Decatur Jack

September 8th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^

I don't think Michigan necessarily has to go lightning fast, but they could go a little faster than a snail. I mean, I'm a supporter of the huddle (get the right call in), and tons of huddle teams break and snap the ball with :17 seconds left on the play clock. Michigan typically snaps the ball around :07 or :04. Yeeesh.

bronxblue

September 8th, 2014 at 12:58 PM ^

Re:  Coaching change.

Like I said in my post, I'm not sure if it makes sense to change coaches unless someone better is out there.  We keep talking about how Michigan should be better, but what evidence in the past decade leads people to believe they'll find someone who can mesh with the old guard and still be innovative?  Brian Kelly came to ND and has been a bit of a train wreck but he wins; I don't know if UM fans and the administration would even be willing to stomach the guy in that exchange.

Moving Manning was a bad decision, but they've got enough defensive coaches out there that it should matter all that much; lots of teams stick a good recruiter at a position like secondary or RB and they survive.    This shouldn't be that hard.

Hoke's an affable guy who keeps recruiting decently.  This conference is crap and UM could very well win 9 games (hell even 10 against what looks like a lost OSU team).  Maybe ND is just better than we think; most like UM just sucks more than we thought.  But Brian of all people knows how horrible a coaching search can be at UM and how much it can damage whatever growth the team might be experiencing.  Just like App St. didn't tell people a whole lot about this team, I'm not sure how much people should read into this weird thumpoing at the hands of ND.  

 

robpollard

September 8th, 2014 at 1:17 PM ^

I hear you that it would be nice to keep Hoke unless, say, John Harbaugh become available (highly unlikely). But if the team doesn't win enough--and even 9 wins might not be "enough" as everyone, including fans, realize how bad the B1G is--it will become shoot first and ask questions later. Big-time donors, player alums, and fans in general will be PO'd.

"Brinks trucks" and "backing them up" will be referenced, and we'll be forced to spend December wondering if Jim Harbaugh will leave for UM in the middle of a 49ers playoff run (pro tip: no, he won't). It will then be "Process II: The Reckoning".

Not looking forward to that at all. So let's hope you're right and we're on our way (somehow) to 9-10 wins, with one of them over OSU, and it all can be avoided.

bronxblue

September 8th, 2014 at 1:41 PM ^

I agree that the fiasco of another coaching change is unbearable even just thinking of it.  That said, I just don't think it happens unless UM craters, and who on the schedule other than MSU and OSU pose such a threat?  I know people keep worrying about Rutgers, Maryland, PSU, etc., but I've not seen anything from them to make me believe they could do what ND did, or that UM would have as bad of luck against any of them.

Obviously 9-10 wins makes this talk all go away, but I look at that schedule and I don't see how UM doesn't win 7-8 more games before the bowl.

robpollard

September 8th, 2014 at 1:48 PM ^

While I thought the ND game was 50/50, I am shocked that it ended up 31-0. Even when I look at the box score, I don't know how that happened. So I have no certainity that we won't find a way to lose to one (or more) of the mediocrities that litter our schedule.

The only game I'm taking for granted is next week (I'll be at a street party and, by choice, won't spend one minute looking in on the game). The rest of the games, who knows?

Space Coyote

September 8th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

Michigan was 5/15 on 3rd and 4th down conversions.

ND was 8/16 on 3rd and 4th down conversions, and until late in the game that number was higher. ND got their defense off the field and Michigan couldn't get the ND offense off the field. Two missed FGs (that would have made the game at least 7-6 at halftime and improved field position) played a role as well.

Mpfnfu Ford

September 8th, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^

Alabama fans were saying a lot of the same things about "Alabama is no longer a destination" when they were in the middle of their third straight crappy coach in the Shula era before Saban was hired. Oklahoma people said the same things during the decade of horror between Switzer and Stoops (and the Howard Schnellenberger/Rich Rod parallels are pretty strong imo). Or just look at Florida State under Jimbo Fisher.

We live in a college football world where even a mighty blue blood like Michigan or Texas or USC can fall on its ass and suck if it has bad-to-mediocre coaching, and where just being a mediocre-to-okay coach isn't enough to get a former blue blood back going strong after it's been dormant for a while. There was a time where just being Michigan or Alabama or Oklahoma or whatever was enough to have a baseline level of good. That's not the case.

The good news is that ANY program with money behind it can rise if it has a good coach who has institutional buy-in. And a program like Michigan, with tons of money/alumni support/cake walk conference schedule is INCREDIBLY attractive to an ambitious and successful coach as long as he's not going to have to say, put up with his AD sitting in on weekly coaches meetings.

I do not buy the idea that a successful and/or ambitious coach would turn down a major job with major resources unless the AD at Michigan goes out of his way to make the job unattractive. 

bronxblue

September 8th, 2014 at 1:45 PM ^

I think the fanbase has made UM a bit less attractive than fans think.  Also, with teams like Alabama and USC you see teams that seemingly are willing to bend the rules quite a bit more than you'll ever see at UM.  Hell, a guy like Kelly probably wouldn't have lasted at UM after the rape allegations, the accident with the camera operator, the ongoing academic scandal, etc.  And outside of that 12-1 season that may very well be wiped from the books, ND has been pretty average under Kelly.

I'm sure there is a young coach out there who can  win at UM; all is not lost.  But right now, if I'm a hot-shot young coach I'm looking for a place where I'll be able to expand me influence and create my mark, not manage a crisis and try to fit in with an aging, sometimes-myopic leadership.

Mpfnfu Ford

September 8th, 2014 at 1:57 PM ^

I don't think coaches pay too much attention to fans, to be honest. They worry about their athletic director and the wilingness of major alumni to step up and pay for things they need facility wise and assistant coaching wise. 

Michigan has not been failing at football because the game is rigged against it. On the contrary, Michigan is a part of the elite college football club who have the game actively rigged in their favor. They've just had crappy coaches and crappy athletic department management and severely underperformed. From being outbid by West freaking Virginia for Jeff Casteel's services to the hiring of a .500 MAC-Mountain West coach, this program has done a lot of self defeating things in the past couple of seasons that have led to this point.

 

bronxblue

September 8th, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^

I guess I'd wrap the alumni in with the fans.  Yeah, coaches don't care objectively what I think, but 100k plus of pissed of fans in the stands isn't a fun experience.  Also, these guys live in the community and I'm sure don't want to deal with that stress when they are buying groceries at Meijers or at the movies.

With respect to Casteel, they weren't outbid as much as they weren't ever really in the bidding to begin with.  They bristled at a couple hundred-grand which makes me think they were never serious about bringing him to UM.  As for self-defeating, they tried an outsider in RR and that blew up in their face.  They went after Harbaugh and failed, likely took a shot at Miles and also failed, and that's kinda the end of the coaching tree that would have been acceptable to the part of the fanbase that wanted a "Michigan Man" back at the helm.  Now, the school could have been more receptive to going outside again but just picking a different coach, but that's a counter-factual that takes a couple more leaps of faith.

robpollard

September 8th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

As has been shown by numerous recent articles (and our wonderful expansion of the B1G on to the Atlantic coast), UM's traditional recruiting ground of MI, OH and Chicago are nothing compared to, say, Texas, Florida or Louisiana. All those other schools you mention have huge pipelines into those areas.

Players are key. Those schools have ready access to better players than UM does. Winning big at UM (or MSU or OSU, for that matter) is far from impossible, but you have less margin for error b/c the top recruits are typically not in your backyard.

Hannibal.

September 8th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^

This

I was listening to talk radio in Atlanta 14 years ago when Mike Dubose was about to be fired.  The hosts were pooh-pooing the idea that Alabama was still a top tier program that could and should dominate.  Around that time, Texas was still viewed as a has been. 

This program will be great again with the right coach.  Recruiting has been good enough so that a turnaround can happen very very fast. 

Hannibal.

September 8th, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^

This

I was listening to talk radio in Atlanta 14 years ago when Mike Dubose was about to be fired.  The hosts were pooh-pooing the idea that Alabama was still a top tier program that could and should dominate.  Around that time, Texas was still viewed as a has been. 

This program will be great again with the right coach.  Recruiting has been good enough so that a turnaround can happen very very fast. 

Ben Mathis-Lilley

September 8th, 2014 at 1:03 PM ^

What can a coach do to prevent meltdowns? What are some traits of meltdown-avoidant coaching? Because to me the 31-0 final score is 20% getting outplayed and 80% meltdown, specifically from Gardner. If Gardner has one turnover rather than four (the last INT doesn't really count but the 17-yard-loss on a recovered fumble does) we might still lose, but we aren't looking for signs of rot inside the program.

maizenbluenc

September 8th, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^

and remind you of your job or you'll be benched.

Do you think Bo would have been clapping and cheerleading on the sidelines? He may not have had a headset on because it was a pile of twisted broken pieces ...

Players (and coaching staff) reaction to Brady: oh, it's OK. I just need to try a little harder.

Players (and coaching staff) reaction to Bo: Shit, I need to do this right and as hard as I can or coach will be in my ear and on my ass if I am lucky enough not to be benched or thrown off the team.

Go back and watch the CTK videos of Brady Hoke coaching. If we had JV or Freshman football - Brady would make a great coach in the transition to big boy ball. He'd make a great Jon Falk replacement too.

We have a soft team because we have a soft head coach.

mGrowOld

September 8th, 2014 at 1:06 PM ^

Way back in 2010 one of the first threads I created was shortly after the Purdue game and just before Wisconsin where I made the case that Brandon needed to give Rich an extension immediately to keep recruiting in tact.  After all we were 7-3, bowl eligible for the first time in three years and improving.  Then came Wisconsin, OSU and MSU where my thesis was blown apart.  I remember watching the OSU game that year thinking "this is it - Rich is done" and resigning myself to the inevetable regime change that was about to occur.

I had the same general feeling Saturday night.  Maybe Hoke can rally and turn things around (I surely hope so for his and the programs sake) but I just dont see it happening right now.  I want it to (I predicted we'd win 10 games this year) but I never expected us to get curb-stomped like we just did.  That was both jarring and embarrassing.

Just like I didnt think we'd get curb-stomped by Wisconsin, OSU & MSU back in 2010.

robpollard

September 8th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^

For that 7-3 going into Wisky, one of those losses was to MSU. And people were quite surly even before kick-off (I was at the game); one of the worst moods at a home game I can remember.

Getting blown out did not help, but even if we lost 48-42 (instead of 48-28), it wouldn't have made much of a difference for RR's tenure at UM. UM's defense was horrible, we were losing games, and that was all that mattered. The margin of defeat was just a cherry on top.

stephenrjking

September 8th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

Erm, what game are we talking about here? MSU was our first loss in 2010' a dispiriting 34-17 washout that crushed what had been up to that time heady dreams of grandeur for a ranked Michigan team riding Denard's as-yet-unrestrained flapping shoelaces. Things started falling apart quickly, but MSU was the first crack in the armor. EDIT: You were talking about being present at the Wisconsin game, not the MSU game. My error.

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bronxblue

September 8th, 2014 at 1:47 PM ^

Yeah, that was the weird part of Brian's argument.  The game was effectively done; maybe one of the linemen runs across the field and starts a fight, but Georgia let Fairley get away with a number of late hits in that game before they went after him.  

quakertown

September 8th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

While watching saturday, my prominent reaction was of course frustration -- not only with the team (obviously) but with the blog.  What I witnessed was not what I was lead to believe; notre dame, with walk-on replacements, was at the very least exploitable.  Coupled with last season's early MSU offensive schadenfreude, college football outcomes are leaving me increasingly incredulous. 

You're right, Brian. Predicting is exceedingly difficult. What's more, is how us mere mortals are expected to be any good at it when the coaching staff itself is so completely off base. Your reactionary stuff is still second to none and for that I say thank you, to you and your staff.

Moving forward I'll be cautiously optimistic, but tempered by the stomach-knotting realization that what got broken in South Bend doesn't get back put back together (not by this coaching staff).

Heads up, boys. It'll get better eventually. Right?  And if not, well then... this is water. So said David Foster Wallace.

 

stephenrjking

September 8th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^

Re: many people wondering how Hoke can be responsible for the slow tempo: He's the head coach. If he tells Nuss, "I want them at the line identifying the Mike with 20 seconds to go," Nuss will make it happen. If he says, "I want to go no huddle any time we're down three scores," Nuss will make it happen. Hoke has not done those things. It's his prerogative, but it's also his choice.

Space Coyote

September 8th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^

Would be along the lines of: "I want to work on everyone being on the same page and getting their assignments correct before we start getting into the no huddle". He isn't instructing Nuss that they should break the huddle under 10 seconds. He isn't telling him to wait to get to the LOS. He's may be telling him "let's focus on huddling and doing things right before implementing other things.' That's a communication problem, but no coach is saying.

And it happens a few times each game where they only have time to identify the MIKE and then snap the ball. People act like it's constant, it isn't. It's likely a few times because there was some communication issue that delayed them breaking the huddle. But, if everyone is on the same page, then the blocking should be picked up and everything should be fine. You're not getting to the LOS and saying "hey, you, you have to block that guy". You may say "there's the CB, he looks like he's blitzing", but if the guys don't know the assignment it won't help anyway.

Anyway, this is a search for who is responsible for the thing about 100 spots down the list of things fans should worry about on offense.

bronxblue

September 8th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

Like Space Coyote said, I kinda doubt the head coach is going to yell at his OC during a game to speed it up.  That is something they'll do in practice, probably as part of the education of the team.  But this is an offensive line with a bunch of first-time starters; I think the slowness is due in large part to everyone trying to figure out what to do both at the line and also with respect to the playcall changes being made by Nuss and/or Gardner.  

I know Brian is on a kick about "tempo", but what he seems to be complaining more about was the playcalling in the 2nd half.  That I take issue with.  But running to the line and then calling a running play down 21 is just as big a waste of time and snapping with a couple of seconds left.

stephenrjking

September 8th, 2014 at 2:05 PM ^

Oh, I totally agree that this is not going to change mid-game. I am talking about establishing the working procedure of the offense throughout the week and the season--Hoke is quite capable of saying, at the beginning of the year, that he wants things to move quickly. The staff then develops the procedure to make it happen, and that is practiced by the team. Hoke can change things now, if he'd like. He doesn't want to, which is why Brian lays blame on him.