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By Brian — February 18th, 2013 at 3:31 PM — 18 comments
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NOTE: these posts ballooned to 3500 words, so I'm chopping them in half. The Big Ten Power rankings will become a separate post running Tuesday since the Big Ten never plays on Monday; seedwatch, nonconference updates, and viewing guide will run today.

numbertwo[1] Seedwatch

Well, it finally happened. Going 1-3 in their tough stretch has moved Michigan out of the ranks of the one seeds in the circuits of computer formulas and minds of bracket projectors. The Matrix has Michigan fifth, on the verge of a top seed, but that has a lot to do with lag. The vast majority of 1 votes come from brackets that haven't been updated since Michigan got demolished by State. Almost everyone who's update since has moved them down a line.

The news is grimmer on Crashing The Dance, which has hurled Michigan all the way down to eighth. They're still a spot ahead of MSU. Miami is the main beneficiary, sliding up to the top line virtually everywhere after a narrow escape against Clemson yesterday.

Michigan still has the ability to play themselves back into a top seed. To be there by the end of the regular season they would probably have to win out; if they split their upcoming home games against MSU and Indiana they could probably wrest a one seed away by winning the league tournament. The bet here is they end up a 2.

Projected ones: Florida, Indiana, Duke, Miami.

Nonconference Watch

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ark bid: remote possibility

RPI-effect-only Teams

Last win for IUPUI: December 27th. Binghamton: January 19th. Central Michigan: also January 19th. All of these are unchanged since last week.

Cleveland State crammed in 3 games this week, two losses, and is a bad Horizon team. Bradley remains a 500-ish MVC team. Eastern is the same in the MAC. They're fourth nationally in block rate, though. They're sending back 17% of opponent twos! And 341st in defensive rebounding.

Western is going to win their division of the MAC but still cannot crack the KP 100 because they do things like lose to BGSU and not blow out that Northern Illinois team that infamously had four points at the half against Eastern.

Big sorts of teams

Pitt (20-6)

@ Marquette: L 79-69

Pitt gave up 60% on twos and sent Marquette to the line 29 times; they also allowed the Fightin' Wades to rebound 48% of their misses. Result: 1.27 PPP allowed and defeat despite playing a lot better on offense than they usually do. That's an aberration from a usually very good Pitt defense. Marquette may be a team to keep an eye on in your brackets.

SEEDWATCH: Still a five on CTD; four on the Matrix, but they're a hair away from five as well.

Kansas State (20-5)

@ Kansas: L 83-62. Baylor: W 81-61

Reeling Kansas got off the mat in a big way in a game K-State was never really in. The usually stout Wildcat rebounding got destroyed 45%-18%, and Kansas shot 54% from two.

K-State then turned around and blew out a Baylor team that's on the bubble despite losing to Charleston and Northwestern; in that one it was an avalanche of Baylor turnovers that did them in, mostly late. A six minute scoring drought whittled away a large K-State lead to two seven minutes into the second half. From there, K-State blew the doors off.

SEEDWATCH: Status quo. Four on both sites.

North Carolina State (18-7)

Virginia Tech: W 90-86 (OT)

We have to stop complaining about bad luck ruining what could have been a truly impressive nonconference win for Michigan, I think. Yeah: the last two NC State outings have been a one point win over Clemson and an OT win over Virginia Tech. They're still a little short on the luck end of the ledger, but they are who they are right now, a team that can get in a one-point game with any-damn-body.

MCHOBBIT UPDATE: Seems to have earned a bunch of playing time even with the healthy return of Lorenzo Brown. In 21 minutes he had 13 points on 8 possessions used. I take it back, McHobbit.

SEEDWATCH: Five on CTD, Six on the Matrix.

Arkansas (16-9)

@ Auburn: W 83-75. Missouri: W 73-71.

Hey, two wins in a week for Arkansas, one of them against a team headed for the tourney in Missouri, the other on the road, where Arkansas is horrible. Road wins this year for Arkansas include at Auburn, and at Auburn, and also at Auburn.

Arkansas is now on the bubble to get on the bubble. They'll have to go at least 4-2 down the stretch to get in the conversation. With one of those games at Florida, that's a tall order. NIT looks good, though.

SEEDWATCH: nyet. CTD has them 12 teams away from a bid; Bracket Matrix doesn't even know their name.

West Virginia (13-12)

@ Baylor: L 80-60. Texas Tech: W 66-64.

Bob Huggins looks like a ragecomic drawing. That is all.

SEEDWATCH: ain't no seed

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Games relevant to your interest that are on the TV and may be worth watching after the first ten minutes. Bolded teams are suggested teams to root for, calibrated for …

1) helping M win conference title
2) best chance for quality-win pile-up to help M seeding

3) greatest number of tourney teams from league
4) eff Michigan State
5) also Wisconsin

Monday

Notre Dame at Pitt, 7PM, ESPN
West Virginia at K-State, 9PM, ESPN

Tuesday

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Florida State at NC State, 9PM, ESPN2
Virginia at Miami, 9PM, ESPNU
Florida at Missouri, 9PM, ESPN

Wednesday

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Wisconsin at Northwestern, 9PM, BTN

Thursday

Penn State at Illinois, 8:15, BTN
Iowa at Nebraska, 9PM, ESPN2
Duke at Virginia Tech, 9PM, ESPN

Friday

nyet

Saturday

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NC State at North Carolina, 4PM, ESPN
Arkansas at Florida, 7PM, ESPNU

Sunday

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Michigan State at Ohio State, 4PM, CBS
Northwestern at Purdue, 6PM, BTN

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:21 PM | I can't see both Miami and (Score:2 Insightful)
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I can't see both Miami and Duke getting one seeds and the Big10 only getting 1.  Miami plays at Duke and that game will either hand Duke another loss and remove them from the 1 seed conversation or knock Miami down so that the ACC tournament will likely decide which teams gets a one seed.

Miami barely escaped Clemson, BC and an injury depleted NC St.  Also the Indiana St. loss, which looked like it might not be a bad one, now looks like a bad loss.

My guess for the 1 seeds is 2 from the Big10, 1 from the ACC, and 1 out of Gonzaga, Big East, Florida, and Arizona.

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:47 PM | I agree (Score:1)
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I don't see Duke and Miami getting #1 seed. It'd be one or the other.  ACC isn't real strong and there's Duke/Miami and then there's everybody else.  NC State is too inconsistent and UNC is mediocre.  Everybody else suck.

 

B1G is the #1 conference in the country by a wide margin.  I think the committee will reward B1G by giving both team 2 #1 seeds.  It'd be between Indiana/MSU/Michigan.

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February 18th, 2013 at 5:25 PM | Wisconsin must lose to msu (Score:1)
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Otherwise rest of their schedule is a cakewalk and they tie us even if we win out, no?

Be the change, I want you to be.
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February 18th, 2013 at 5:34 PM | I don't see Wisconsin getting the #1 seed (Score:1)
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#2 at best, but #3/#4 are likely where they're slotted come NCAA tourney.  They are also a great bet to get upset in NCAA tourney where they cannot get away with physicality on court.

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:22 PM | I just want to say that I (Score:5 Normal)
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I just want to say that I look forward to these posts a lot. It's great to know what's going on around the country without having to pay too close attention to these kinds of things. The viewing guide is great as well.

The B1G power rankings of power are hilarious and informative too, and I can't wait to see them tomorrow.

"The trouble with quotes on the internet, is that it is often difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine" --Abraham Lincoln

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:25 PM | eff MSU (Score:1)
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Indiana at Michigan State, 7PM, ESPN (I punt on rooting interest.)

Root for IU because: 4) eff Michigan State

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:33 PM | Tomorrow Night (Score:5 Normal)
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We need Indiana to lose for us to still have a chance at a shared conference title.  They won't get to four losses if they win at MSU.

Athens, GA

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:40 PM | Exactly (Score:5 Normal)
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Root for MSU over IU and then OSU over MSU. No way IU loses at Minnesota or at home against OSU.

Also fuck Wisconsin for the half court buzzer beater that forces me to root for MSU and OSU in the same week.

This has nothing to do with Michigan football.

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:42 PM | Yeah looking at what each has left (Score:3 Normal)
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For Michigan to get a split title , Michigan probably/definitely needs to win out.  Doing that would hand IU and Sparty a 3rd loss, them playing hands one a 4th loss, meaning we need the IU/Sparty winner to lose one more.

Sparty has @OSU and home v. Wisky as plausible losses.

IU has home v. OSU and @Minn as plausible losses.

I think Sparty is much more likely to lose one of those games than IU is and Kenpom/Sagarin/BPI have IU as a much better team. As much as it may suck, we may just need Sparty to win on Tuesday.

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:45 PM | I share the same thoughts, (Score:3 Normal)
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I share the same thoughts, Tubes.  While there is a slight possibility IU could lose at Minnesota or at home vs. OSU, neither of those looks very likely right now.  If IU is to get to 4 conference losses, they must lose tomorrow.  I think there is a much higher probability MSU loses at least 2 of at OSU, vs. Wisconsin, or at UM.

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February 18th, 2013 at 4:43 PM | This is very helpful.. (Score:2)
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Thisis very helpful.  That is a sweet looking TV too!

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February 18th, 2013 at 5:00 PM | Gotta root for State.  I hate (Score:2 Normal)
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Gotta root for State.  I hate Wisconsin and their stupid miracle shot for making it come down to this.

Assume we give Indiana and MSU each a loss, then MSU is way more likely to pick up a loss @OSU or vs. Wisconsin than IU is to pick up @Minnesota or home against OSU.

Of course, if we don't beat MSU and Indiana, conference title hopes out the window.

HAIL.

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February 18th, 2013 at 7:28 PM | I understand the whole root for State thing... (Score:1)
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But....Imagine the scenario that MSU does beat IU (only because we were all rooting for it to happen), and then they hold court against Wisconsin (which they should), and somehow go into Columbus and beat ohio.

Could we live with ourselves knowing that we rooted for lil bro, and that led them down the path to an outright Big Ten Regular Season Champs? 

I know I can't. 

So my rooting interest will be to 4)eff state, and hope they lose to IU (and Wisconsin and ohio), and just become a really really big Gopher fan when they play IU. 

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February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 PM | I (Score:2)
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I can feel all of you cheering against IU tomorrow night..........

Help My Friend Allison Fight ALS 

MSU/IU at the JCB

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February 18th, 2013 at 8:11 PM | I'm rooting for IU, (Score:2)
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I'm rooting for IU, because

1) for some crazy reason I think Minnesota will find a way to beat them in the Barn and

2) if we can't win the title, I'd rather it be IU than Sparty.

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February 18th, 2013 at 8:46 PM | This (Score:1)
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Exactly.

No way could I stand watching MSU be the outright B1G Champs. 

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February 18th, 2013 at 7:29 PM | Did anyone sat anything about (Score:2)
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The word HEWN yet?

2013 resolution - make it onto the 2014 favorite MGoPosters post, not ironically
i wish i would have made my screen name "IT WAS THE CHAIR"
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February 19th, 2013 at 1:37 AM | Never (Score:2 Normal)
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ROOT FOR STATE.........SORRY I AM YELLING

If someone ever invented a low fat vitamin - filled vegetable that tasted like fudge covered Rice Krispies treats - I'd probably eat better

 

 

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