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There were a lot of things that went wrong on Saturday, and some things that went better than you would think from the 31-0 score. Like when David Price lost a 1-hitter this summer, it required consistent failure in high-leverage situations.

Tempo does a few things for an offense. You lose the huddle but keep tired defenders on the field and force them to commit to a vanilla personnel group against everything you run. You also give yourself a chance to survey the defense and adjust. Saturday's problems were much larger than slow tempo, but I couldn't let this…

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…happen (the above resulted in a timeout, as the Wolverines only got to the line with 4 seconds on the clock) without seeing if there was a pattern.

The thing that bothered me during the game is it seemed Michigan was damaging themselves by taking a looooong time to get to the line of scrimmage, which not only limited their total opportunities to come back, but apparently forced Gardner to rush his reads in key situations, to awful effect.

So I went through the game and tracked how many seconds were left on the play clock whenever Michigan's offense arrived in their alignment. Data are here if you wanna play with it. The results: here's the success rate of the offense this week by the amount of time on the clock when Michigan got in their formation:

success rate by hurryupitude

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I used the different colors to show the plays in blue where they're subject to the 40-second clock. The two on the far left forced Michigan to burn timeouts. This does show tendency but not that success came from it except when they were extremely slow. When Michigan couldn't line with more than 9 seconds on the clock the results were two burned timeouts, three negative yardage plays, and five positive ones.

[after the jump: did they speed up after they got down by 21?]

Hello jumpers. The answer is no.

as game progressed

All those blue notes are with the clock running. They ran a pair of hurry-ups in the 3rd quarter, one which got a crucial 1st down and a quick lineup and snap, the second resulted in a Magnuson false start. I'm particularly bothered by the clump of slow-as-balls plays in the early 3rd quarter. Down 21-0 Michigan was burning 35 seconds of clock per down on multiple occasions.

With Brian this complaint has gotten to the point of it's not worth restating because as long as we have Hoke we'll be a slow-to-the-line team. Advocating Michigan suddenly change that right now would be counter-productive; they are not going to get to any kind of hurry-up that puts pressure on the defense.

What we should be advocating is simply that they speed things so as not to shoot themselves in the face. Getting to the line more quickly will avoid wasting timeouts or running plays when the offense isn't prepared, and could have prevented them from burning several drives worth of precious clock when they were down three scores in the 3rd quarter.

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Comments

Hail-Storm

September 9th, 2014 at 11:27 AM ^

Hoke has made it clear that he is a defensive minded coach who lets the offensive coordinator run his offense.  To me, this means the OC should be able to call plays, and dictate the speed at which they run those plays.  Nuss seems to want to speed things up and change tempo.  Why would Hoke interfere in this one regard of the offense.

If this is true, this seems just as detrimantal as a head coach allowing a DC to run the defense, with the exception of dictating the type of defense the DC needs to run.

This is also frustrating when watching DG struggle.  It seems that up tempo offenses can help a QB a lot.  It usually vanillas up the defense, making it easier to read and identify the hot route, and seems to simplify the reads and allow an ebb and flow to the offense.  Getting players into play mode and out of over thinking mode. 

 

Monocle Smile

September 9th, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^

Especially when an opponent burns our defense just with a tempo change.

I don't get it. I really don't get it. We're on our second OC and the offense is different, but this thing has remained constant. So few college offenses play at this snail pace that it's pretty reasonable to point to Hoke as the origin at Michigan.

ijohnb

September 9th, 2014 at 12:02 PM ^

but the effect on our offense is more pronounced.  It appears that we are actually attempting to "reverse tempo" teams, and actively work to reduce the amount of snaps in a game.  Both Lloyd and Bo pretty much did this, with their philosophy being that if you are that much better than another team that you reduce the amount of snaps to reduce any variance, outliers, or flat out chance that could off-set superior talent (this somewhat running in the face of another philosophy that if you have superior talent, the more snaps you have the better opportunity you have to render any outliers or variance relatively insignificant).  That is why many of Lloyds teams regularly beat MAC teams and other low level teams relatively unimpressively in terms of score, like 31-7 instead of flashy 67-14 scores that up tempo teams put on cupcakes.  The only problem is that we are doing it without much, if any, talent superiority against other quality teams, and we don't alter it when we get in a hole.  Playing this way is fine if you are clearly better than another team, it is risky and somewhat self-defeating if you are not.  The bottom line is, if you want to shorten the game, fine, but you better not get down three touchdowns in that game or you are dead in the water.

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reshp1

September 9th, 2014 at 12:04 PM ^

I'm not saying you're wrong about Bo or Lloyd, but that doesn't make any sense. You increase variance by reducing play count, not the other way around. More plays means a eventual regression to the mean, less plays means the effect of outliers is stronger.

ijohnb

September 9th, 2014 at 12:13 PM ^

not saying you are wrong regarding your interpretation and what the common thinking is regarding this.  But Hoke is cut from the Bo and Lloyd clothes, and in their mind, they were going to take their sweet ass time, march down the field and score on you, and then their dominant defense was going to stop you in your tracks and you were going to put the ball back to them and that was going to be that.  The coached with the mentality that their teams were that much better than you that they could dictate the terms of the game entirely. They did not need to play fast, because they simply played better(not saying that always happened, but that is how they thought).  Hoke seems to think this as well, but appears to be badly mistaken.

ijohnb

September 9th, 2014 at 12:51 PM ^

some coaches who do not feel or coach that way.  They believe time of possesion to still be an important statistic in a game. Yes, more snaps = less effect of any one variable on a game, but also more opportunities for unforeseen variables to occur due to the increase of "at-risk" situations in a game. Why do you think Lloyd Carr was so adverse to going for it on fourth and short.  It introduced an outlier into the equation.

bleu

September 9th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^

Yeah they feel that way. And are wrong. More snaps mean more chance of unexpected good things happening too. Unless you're the underdog. So maybe that was Hoke's plan, to steal this game away from ungodly ND. But considering the tempo doesn't change when we are favored (or down 21 as the article mentions) I doubt that's his plan. The slow pace gives a false sense of security. Or it's driven by a fear of ridicule from those bad plays that do increase as more snaps occur. Same logic for coaches punting from the opponent's 30. It's the "safe" play. Although going for it is likely the best option for scoring more points in the game. This isn't mystical coach gut feeling. There is some actual evidence to back this up.

ijohnb

September 9th, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^

more snaps does not mean more chances for unexpected good things to happen unless your the underdog, it is more chances for unexpected things to happen only if you are are the underdog, because if you are the underdog in any significant sense, any good thing that happens is unexpected.  And since when did variance have anything to do with who is favored, it is almost by definition not concerned at all with who the favored team is.

I don't think you are quite thinking this through.  Many times underdogs try to tempo heavy favorites specifically in order have more bites at the apple and increase the number of variables that come into the equation.

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bleu

September 9th, 2014 at 3:57 PM ^

More bites at the apple favors the favorite. If a game was 1000 minutes long the favorite would win much more often than if the game was one play long. Hoke's decision to go for two vs OSU was smart if you agree we were the underdog. Imagine if Miami got to choose headed into this game whether it's a four quarter game or whether they get one play from the three to win or lose. They obviously take the one play since the variance in gameplay decreases over more snaps and makes it less likely that the end result of the game is an upset.

avhj

September 10th, 2014 at 4:48 AM ^

More bites at the apple will decrease variation in the expected average outcome, absolutely. The tricky part, I think, is if single extreme events have an enormous effect. The chance of one outlier event occuring increases with the number of repetitions as well. So if you think you're only 7 points better than the other team, you might want to reduce the number of events in order to decrease the chance of, say, a turnover worth 7+ points. You see teams slow the game down in soccer for exactly this reason. I'm inclined to think that the increase in risk from a few more possessions in football is still not typically worth sacrificing the average gains from a few more possessions, but I don't really know anything about football. 

And, of course, none of that makes much sense if you're losing. 

wolfman81

September 9th, 2014 at 1:13 PM ^

...It all depends on your philosophy.  Try this on for size:

More plays = less variance

Three yards and a cloud of dust.  Thats how football works.  On offense, we just need to get 3-4 yards every play, and then move that ball down the field.  We have the ball, they don't, so we will score.  On defense, the other guys can't get those 3-4 yards every play, because we'll stop them.  Even if they do it 5 times in a row, the 6th time, they won't, we'll get a TFL, and they'll be punting.  Maybe by dumb luck, they'll slip a few big plays on us, but that can't get them more than 7-14 points, and we'll score 21.  We win.  Every game.  All we need is enough plays on offense to make this happen.

This is why NBA/NHL/MLB play multi-game series in the playoffs.  Anyone can win a single game, but in a longer series, the better team will win more often.

More plays = more variance

Each play is an opportunity for something spectacular (or bad, depending on your viewpoint) to happen.  An interception, a fumble, a defensive breakdown...When teams are filled with players who can make plays, each play is an opportunity for a TD to happen.  On offense, we'll get yards in chunks, maybe we'll throw an incomplete pass every now and then, but if we're hitting 70% of our passes for 10-15 yards a pop, we'll get lots of 1st downs.  And 5 YPC on the ground will happen too.  And if their defense blows an assignment or misses a tackle...touchdown good guys.  On Defense, we'll limit big plays, keep players inside and in front, and we will force turnovers.  Fumbles, INTs, and if they are making progress, the well-timed blitz will get them behind the chains.
 
Maybe this isn't elegantly put, but my point is...you can argue it both ways.  Here is another way to think of it:  In basketball, should you press or stall to increase variance?  Imagine a basketball game where each team only had 10 possessions...compare that to each team having 100.

A State Fan

September 9th, 2014 at 1:52 PM ^

the more talented team should play faster. the more possessions you have the more chances you have to score. and if you score more you win. more plays increase the chance that the better team wins. There was an article on Grantland (I think) about how Roy Williams at UNC wants to go fast because he's got more talent than most teams, whereas Bo Ryan has less and wants to value possessions so that each score has a chance to swing the game.

wolfman81

September 9th, 2014 at 3:42 PM ^

Roy Williams values playing at a high tempo, so he wants players that can run.  He will take an odd turnover every now and then if it means that his team is diluting the negative value of that turnover by creating lots of possessions.  

Bo Ryan values ball security and defense, so he wants players who have excellent ballhandling and passing skills, as well as strong defensive skills.  Your ass will ride pine if you turn the ball over or miss an assignment on defense, because that leads to easy points for the other team.  If scoring is hard for everyone "our team" will win because we'll make scoring harder for you.

 

Note, this is about what the coach values, not about what kind of basketball you or I enjoys watching.

getsome

September 9th, 2014 at 4:18 PM ^

id love them to have 10-15 secs at LOS most snaps to settle/react, and assumed theyd try coming into season - that is if they refuse to speed up offensive tempo overall which id love even more.  

only thing really makes sense is maybe they were scared to death of consecutive quick 3 and outs given the lack of confidence in gardner and that OL with way they were performing.  sure id still love to see few quicker tempo series and its logical to switch it up.  but maybe nussmeier  (or down from hoke) just felt the chances were too likely hed be putting the D back out there again after only 60 sec 3 and out - who knows what theyre thinking, be nice if we did though

reshp1

September 9th, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^

Is there there any chance you have data on a typical road game from last year? I kept an eye on this but there was so much going on I didn't get a consistent read, but I did get the overall feeling that things were somewhat better. The TO ones not-withstanding, for the most part I thought there was time to line up and survey and make checks. Like you said, it isn't the hurry up that pressures defenses, but on the other hand I didn't feel like we were shooting ourselves in the face as much either.

I do agree with whoever (Space Coyote? Reader71?) said that the tempo didn't increase in the 3rd despite the deficit because you don't want to put anymore pressure on a team still learning an offense by speeding things up. I think that's a reasonable statement. Michigan didn't lack possessions in this game (12, 7 in the second half), the problem is they failed to capitalize on any of them, largely because of silly errors.

What do you think, systemically, they can do to speed things up without abandoning the huddle completely? I noticed Nuss was still calling the plays into the headset but the back up QBs were signalling them in. Is there a way to cut out the middle man there? I know you risk the opponent stealing your plays, but the DC does it without too much issue, as do no huddle teams that send in the play at the line..

dragonchild

September 9th, 2014 at 11:39 AM ^

This is way, way premature.  We are only in the second game of a new system.  The first road game.  The first quality opponent.

Miscommunication would be every bit a disaster as a bad read, and away crowds are loud for the visiting offense, so -- especially with everyone still learning the system -- it's likely they put a premium on getting everyone on the same page even if it took an extra 5-10 seconds to do it.  Should it have been better?  Sure.  Could it have been better?  That's hard to tell.

We'll find out the answer this season as the offense gets more comfortable with the playcalling.  It's a valid question, but this discussion is easily a half a dozen games too early.

Space Coyote

September 9th, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^

Then we have really big problems. There is absolutely nothing said on here that they don't know, don't know better, and don't know how it applies to their team better.

They know more about the general philosophy of a spread punt than just about anyone on this blog, I can promise you. They don't agree with it, but they know about it. If they are wasting their time on this blog there are issues.

Other than that, I agree with the above.

wolfman81

September 9th, 2014 at 3:52 PM ^

It would not shock me in the least if these guys were putting in 80 hours/week in season.  At least 60.

Plus, they know their schemes, their playcalls, their assignments, and they spend (NCAA mandated maximum) hours/week with their players to work on getting everyone on the same page and learning about each individual's talents, abilities, and character.  If they read this blog, it is to (1) get a feel for the fanbase or (2) laugh at the internet.  It is certainly not to learn more about football or their players.

Shop Smart Sho…

September 9th, 2014 at 12:38 PM ^

If only that were true.  After 3 years and two games it obvious that the developments in modern football are unimportant to Hoke.  To believe that he has taken the time to study said developments flys in the face of your entire argument that he knows more and knows it better.  He obviously doesn't believe that any of this stuff is important, so why would he study it to the extent that Brian & Co. have?

So he is either choosing to be willfully ignorant of modern advances, or if you are to be believed, he does know about them, but believes he knows better.  Neither of those options is a good thing.

We'll go with the point that you raised about spread punting.  It has been shown, through rather basic statistics, that PR yardage has decreased as teams face more and more spread punt teams.  Michigan has deployed punters of doom with huge legs for about a decade.  These punters would be best served by getting multiple tacklers downfield as fast as possible to take advantage of the lenght of their punts.  Hoke has categorically refused to do so, ceeding field position to almost every opponent he plays, because "we don't do that".  

So, he is either ignorant of the facts, or simply has too big of an ego to realize he is doing it the wrong way.

MileHighWolverine

September 9th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^

@SC - in general I really like your comments on here but the idea that coaches are all knowing and infallible is dead wrong. It is absolutely possible that some of the ideas being espoused here might be helpful to the coaching staff. Recent evidence (Borges, GERG, etc.) should be enough to tell us coaches don't know everything and certainly don't know how to apply everything to their team better than an educated outsider. If that were true, there would be no upsets and no new ways of doing things because opposing coaches would already know how to handle them and easily defeat them. 

It is entirely possible that coaches, even at this level, get extreme tunnel vision where they only know how to do one thing well and everything else is a mystery to them. That's why there are failures all over the place in this business.

 

Space Coyote

September 9th, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^

There are certainly things coaches don't know well enough to implement at that level or run at that level. Things like giving GERG a 3-3-5. He didn't know the defense well enough to run it. There are certainly people that understanding the nuances of various things better, that can't be denied. But these guys understand these things at least at its basic level. Why? Because they see it on film, they go up against it, that talk about it with other coaches, at clinics, etc.

For things like the spread (non-NFL style punt), the coaches know about it, they know the fundamentals of it. They likely have a concept of the strengths and weaknesses of it. They know that and have to know that because they have to go up against it constantly. They need to know its strengths and weaknesses and what it is trying to do. They may not know enough to implement it consistently. As likely, they just don't believe in it, or have the same weighting values of the positives and negatives. But they know who is the leverage gunner, who is the support gunner, who is the mirror gunner, that the people on the LOS should step outside only (never inside) and then shoot up field immediately. They know that the shield shouldn't follow rushers outside. Michigan has almost generated blocked punts against shield punt formations in back-to-back games. They understand it at its foundation and to some detail enough to know how to attack it.

And if they wanted to understand it better, it would behoove them not to dig through the things here, but rather go talk about it to other coaches, as they do all the time when they want to understand things better.

I'm far from calling them all-knowing and infallible. But they do have a better understanding of these concepts than at least 99% of the people here, and at least as much at a high-level than is discussed here. They do because they have to go against it and have to defend it or protect from it, etc. And that's not a slight at this blog or other blogs. The level of detail that these coaches don't know is very uninteresting to 99.9% of readers. I've gone into too much detail in an article or two, they don't generate hits, they are too in-depth, and even that depth is well beneath what they are talking.

MGoCarolinaBlue

September 9th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^

I wish I could upvote this more than once.

I would like to see a little more humility from the armchair experts on the internet (not happening, I know).  I'm not saying that the coaches are never wrong, I'm saying that they know a lot more than we know. If they do something that appears to not make sense from our vantage point, our default reaction should be to try to figure out what they know that we don't--not the other way around.

jsquigg

September 9th, 2014 at 6:03 PM ^

While I am no way saying that the coaches don't know their jobs better than most, I slightly disagree with you here.  If the coaches truly knew the benefits of the spread punt they would be doing it.  There is no logical or mathematical reason not to other than the fact that they might not know how to properly coach it.  If they do know how to teach this and they still aren't doing it, then that's just a blatant example of not putting your team in the best possible situation to succeed, IMO.

Space Coyote

September 9th, 2014 at 7:03 PM ^

There are strengths and weaknesses to both, and depending on how you weigh those strengths and weaknesses, you may believe in one being better than the other. Here's what I said in another post commenting on punt formation:

 

Shield (Called spread above and often called that, to everyone's confusion)

Strength:

Long snapper mirrors, two OGs get spill, two ends still act as gunners, and OTs contain. Shield players and punter are safeties. It forces the defense to declare its intention. It gets more players down in the first wave. Is more spread out (similar to a KO) and therefore is easier to define coverage lanes. Simplified release for the players on the LOS (step outside into gap and release upfield instead of going back to block).

Weakness:

4 guys in the two A-gaps can block a punt directly up the middle (shortest route to the football); rushers are typically going up against OL and FBs in space for the "shield" aspect of it, and it's hard for those shield players not to chase. Besides the rugby scramble, it's also more difficult to fake because penetration is allowed. After the first wave you have less support because you have OL types chasing the play and acting as safeties. Punt generally needs to get off quicker and cleaner because block angle is shortest route to football and there is less emphasis on protection.

Spread (Pro-style)

Strength:

Can pick up any 8-man rush, and forces rush to come from the outside (don't let anything inside of you). With more defenders covering the gunners, you can release different players at the snap and leverage the football. Can still use LBs, safeties, as wings and OTs if need be to get down field quicker in first wave. Protects against the block first. Learn an NFL style scheme (good for getting players to the NFL).

Weaknesses:

First wave is essentially the gunners and maybe the long-snapper mirroring the returner. Tends to put up to four OL instead of three OL on the field. Isn't spread out and therefore is more difficult to get into coverage lanes.

Conclusion T

he shield punt is better at getting the intial wave down field, meaning that it typically will limit return yardage. The issue comes if the coverage gets too spread out or out of their lane, and then the safeties are a few OL and a punter, meaning that it is dangerous if it can be blocked initially. It also means that a lack of discipline is a bit easier to exploit, because penetration is allowed and four guys in the A-gaps can't all be picked up. Conversally, the pro-style punt forces the rush to come from the edges and can pick up 8 men rushing the punt without problem. The protection is simplified (rather than the release), meaning it's easier to prevent the block. However, the first wave is typically only two players. The return against this formation is more likely (bringing in variability), however, the return yardage is typically less variable (because there are more waves).

What it comes down to, is that a shield punt is often kind of all or nothing. Your punter's distance may drop a little because he has to focus on punting in the direction of the shield and has to get it off quicker and cleaner; if he doesn't get adequate hang time, the returner must only break through the first wave and bust a long one, however, that first wave is larger. A shield punt is more conservative. Your variable comes in allowing a return more often, but there will be less drastic shifts in field position. So what you'll see is a lot of defensive minded coaches do the pro-style punt as it tends to give the defense a chance to get off the field, rather than saying they need more yards in order to do so. Offensive minded coaches think about winning some field position or getting the ball back quickly if they don't. It's really a mind set thing.

My feelings In general, I prefer the shield punt myself. There's a reason you spread out on KOs, you might as well utilize that advantage on punting. I think blocked punts are a rare thing anyway, as are fakes, so my preference is the shield. But it can be seen either way depending on how you weight the issues.

I Like Burgers

September 9th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^

I'd be inclined to believe that these are the struggles that come with being on the road against a quality opponent, but you have three years of evidence staring you in the face.  The problems on this team during Hoke's tenure consistently trace back to coaching.  Especially when it comes to road games.  So, sure you could pawn this one off on youth, quality opponent, first road game, new offense, etc but you'd be ignoring tons of supporting evidence that traces it back to coaching.

WCHBlog

September 9th, 2014 at 11:41 AM ^

The hurry-up on third and short is particularly infuriating because it's recognition that the principles of tempo work--namely not allowing the defense time to get set up--combined with an unwillingness to carry those principles over to any other situation where they could yield similar success.

Erik_in_Dayton

September 9th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^

...Space Coyote agreed with me when I said it yesterday: It seems very likely to me that what we saw was a young unit (DG is the only senior) playing only its second game in a new system in front of a loud and hostile crowd.  They may simply have been struggling to get themselves organized. 

It's easy to say the offense should be able to line up quickly when you're talking about that in a vacuum.  But you also have to get the right people on the field and then make sure everyone knows what he's doing before you snap the ball.  Going quickly isn't going to help if you've got the wrong guys on the field or if DG breaks the huddle with even one guy not sure of what he's doing. 

Nuss obviously understands tempo.  And they apparently practiced going fast a lot.  And Coach Hoke seemingly lets his coordinators do their thing.  I don't have a lot of confidence in Coach Hoke anymore, but I doubt he'd let Nuss spend a lot of practice time on going fast and then, before or during a game, tell him to go slowly.   

Space Coyote

September 9th, 2014 at 12:07 PM ^

I agree with Eric, but there is a difference between practicing with tempo and practicing tempo. Practicing tempo means your practicing the communication methods, means your practicing a wider set of plays, of how to get to the line, etc. It also means you're not practicing something else. Practicing with tempo is telling the 2nd unit the play so when the 1st unit has finished their play they can run to the LOS and snap the ball immediately.

But, like Eric said, it's the 2nd game with a new OC with new terminology and new assignments. Those can be corrected in a huddle, while it's difficult to do outside of a huddle. It also means that DG probably isn't as comfortable relaying the plays (maybe has to think about it a little more than previously, causing some slip ups that take a few seconds longer to relay the call), etc. But, at the same time, somehow Michigan is worse at "clock management" in the first half because they had to call two TOs because of this. Yet so did ND. ND had the same problem despite being the home team, in the same system as last year. It happens, it happens with no-huddle teams that try to audible and everyone isn't on the same page or doesn't see the same thing from the sideline, it happens when the coach decides to audible too late because they saw something last minute. It happens to all teams.

I'm certain there are instances that Nuss and Hoke would like to get to the LOS quicker. No one wants to burn TOs because of this. There are obvious benefits of getting to the LOS quicker, I've detailed those things here. Hell, I don't even think Hoke has an issue with no-huddle as long as the offense is moving the ball (to keep his defense off the field for long stretches), he's been alright with it at previous stops . But there is a philosophy some coaches have that they want to work on other aspects of execution - not to mention including the standard communication to the point where this issue isn't as frequent - before they work on tempo in general.

At the end of the day, besides the two TOs, they got to the LOS and identified the MIKE and gave time for DG to make his pre-snap reads. Sometimes the defense tips it's hand when you get there earlier (which is why all coaches prefer to get to the LOS quick enough, though some don't want their players standing and waiting too long, because it stresses them a bit mentally to start over-thinking, get jumpy, get tired of being in their stance, and lose technique, and also allow the defense to make all the calls and checks they need to make; so there's a balance and different perspectives on that as well), but at the end of the day, it comes down to the offense making the post-snap reads at that point. They have the information needed to be successful.

funkywolve

September 9th, 2014 at 12:14 PM ^

Yeah Gardner might be the only senior, but Glasgow, Miller and Kerridge are 4th yr Jr's.  Funchess, Norfleet and Williams are Jr's.  Mags, Braden and Chesson are 3rd yr Soph's.  On top of that most of these guys have seen plenty of time playing on Saturday's.  Are we going to wait until UM has eleven 5th yr Sr's on the field until we stop using the youth excuse?

mgoBrad

September 9th, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^

Another effect of slow tempo that I was thinking about: longer drives (in terms of game clock) obviously shorten the game and the amount of drives each team has. While this can be fine if it's part of your strategy (e.g., against a superior opponent), it's a major problem against teams with inferior talent. Not only are you shortening the game and increasing its variability (thus increasing the chances an inferior team beats you), it also gives your offense and defense less live reps, which are crucial for a young team like ours.

I'd love for us to go quick against teams like App St. and Miami, because that would mean more time for starters (and backup too, ideally) to get live reps, and thus more on tape so the coaches have a better idea of what to correct during the week. So not only is it annoying to go slow against a team like ND, I'd argue that there are just as many, if not more reasons against a slow pace when we're playing bad teams. Think about a team like Oregon. When they play an overmatched opponent, they play so fast that usually the game is well out of hand at halftime (or even in the first quarter at times). But their 1st team has still gotten a solid 6-8 drives in (i.e. as much as our team gets in closer to 3 quarters). This gives their backups significant playing time against live competition and plenty of plays are put on tape for the coaching staff to aid in their development down the line.

I'd love to see someone put together a brief study on how many extra plays a team like Oregon gets over the course of the season compared to a team like ours. A nickel says that would explain a lot of the talent development issues we're seeing... 

Space Coyote

September 9th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^

Again, implementing tempo takes implementation, meaning it takes time away from some other things. If I understand Nussmeier's philosophy, it'll get implemented when he's confident in the offenses consistency in execution and understanding of the playbook. I don't expect that to be this year.

ijohnb

September 9th, 2014 at 12:36 PM ^

are not entirely correct about shortening the game = reduced variability.  While shortening a game increases the effect of variance and outliers on a game, it by and large theoretically reduces the number of times your teams will be in at-risk situations for such variables to occur (muffed punts/kickoffs/quick change situations, etc.). It can cut both ways.   

Reader71

September 9th, 2014 at 12:08 PM ^

Tempo teams usually don't sub personnel groups nearly as much as we do. That's the tradeoff. Do we want to switch from 10 personnel to 22 freely and thus make the defense adjust to our many looks and try to exploit matchups that way? Or do we want to use one personnel grouping for most downs, distances, and scenarios? I do think we'll be faster to the line as the guys get more comfortable in the offense. 2-3 seconds. But switching tempos has ramifications. Lets not ignore those.