The "completely average coach should be able to... get to 9-3" part of this post seems totally unfair to me. It's a way to call this move a failure and then preemptively write off an extremely positive year for Hoke as something that's unworthy of praise. We all know that our 2010 team was a bullshit 7-6. We were beaten down in all six losses and won tight games against Notre Dame, UMass, Indiana, and Illinois. Going 9-3 next year would be an accomplishment for any incoming coach.
Hoke React, No Swearing
ON THIS DAY MY HAIR IS VERY APROPOS
So this isn't two thousand words of swearing as promised. That requires some level of verve to pull off and I'm out of that. I'm depressed and waiting for the other shoe to drop and far too sober. A few things:
"This is not Brady Hoke's fault." Repeat 1000x. This is not Brady Hoke's fault. He seems like a nice enough dude. It seems unlikely he actively participated in the submarining of Rich Rodriguez. Unlike everyone else ever associated with the Michigan program with even the most thinly plausible of resumes, he actually wants to be the head coach here. So that's nice.
This is a stupid hire. It will always be as stupid hire and David Brandon just led the worst coaching search in the history of Michigan football. He managed to chase off half of an already iffy recruiting class, hired a Plan C coach on January 11th, probably ensured the transfer of the reigning Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year, and restricted his "national search" to people who'd spent at least five years in Ann Arbor. Michigan just gave themselves a year of USC-level scholarship reduction voluntarily.
What are the chances that the best available coach is a 52-year-old with a 47-50 career record and no experience as a coordinator? Why weren't a half-dozen coordinators with time and results on their side given the opportunity to interview? Why did Brandon waste time with Les Miles, a guy on the downside who may not have even gotten a serious offer? After learning a hard lesson about program continuity with the last hire why did Michigan hire a guy who professes to hate the spread 'n' shred a day after two spread teams played for the national title?
I'd rather have Rich Rodriguez entering year four with a new defensive staff than this, a total capitulation. Does anyone remember Tressel's record against Lloyd Carr? 5-1. Change was necessary. It didn't work, but that doesn't mean you go back to the stuff that required change.
Michigan should still be better next year. It depends on what goes on with the offense. Calvin Magee has already been hired at Pitt, so don't get your hopes up about tempting Denard by keeping the offensive staff that matters (QB coach and OC) unchanged.* The defense should be much better simply by virtue of returning approximately ten starters if you throw in Troy Woolfolk and not dragging the devilishly handsome corpse of Greg Robinson around. At the very least Hoke should have a quarterback, even if it's redshirt freshman Devin Gardner.
A completely average coach should be able to take 20 returning starters on a 7-6 team that sees the schedule ease considerably and get to 9-3. That's good, because that's probably what we hired. If Denard's out the door all bets are off except "will Brian cut down or across?"
*[Tony Gibson immediately found work at Pitt, too, which is amazing: the most maligned position coach on RR's staff is unemployed for ten days while most of Carr's coordinators fled to the NFL to be an assistant (to the) position coach. The exceptions are Stan Parrish, who is on a quest to rack up the worst winning percentage as a head coach in CFB history, Greg Mattison, who left voluntarily for an equivalent job at Notre Dame and shouldn't count as a pro, and Ron English, who got hired by Kragthorpe.]
Prepare for the media 180. This hypothetical 9-3 will cause the media to fall all over themselves declaring Brady Hoke the polar opposite of Rich Rodriguez (lazy media meme #1 is already underway) and whipsaw Michigan back to the positive side of the media ledger, whereupon that period where Michigan State could literally have 20% of their football team descend upon innocent bystanders in back to back years while Michigan gets painted as the Program Out Of Control will end with authoritah. Sportswriters—even the good ones—love nothing better than holding themselves above the outraged plebes, arguing that whatever they think is foolish.
We're unhappy, so they'll defend Brady Hoke to their dying single-sentence paragraph. This would have been a fascinating dynamic to watch if Miles was the guy. Seeing Rosenberg paper over Miles's oversigning hijinks would have been hilarious/infuriating. Since it's Hoke it will just be generic "why can't you be happy going 9-3 every year and beating OSU 30% of the time, I mean look at Rodriguez!"
Prepare for the program alum 180. Judging from twitter, Michigan guys in the NFL are happy, so there's that. At least we won't have Mark Bihl advising recruits to go to Michigan State and Dhani Jones walking into David Brandon's office and demanding a firing. Thanks for your support, guys! Your loyalty in this tough time is appreciated.
This is actually Hoke's main asset relative to non-Michigan candidates: the program won't be actively hoping he fails. This is not an insignificant bonus relative to Rodriguez.
The Gene Chizik plan is dodgy, temporary, and requires a bucket of money and amenable prospects. All right, so maybe we can hire the next Gus Malzahn and the next Ted Roof and import JUCOs like Nick Fairley and Cam Newton. This is lazy media meme #2, because lol those crazy fans, amirite?
- Who is Gus Malzahn? Texas just blew their coaching staff up and hired Manny Diaz and the Boise State OC, so they're off the table. It is January 11th. Next up is… I have no idea. Honestly, if you were going to poach an up-and-coming coordinator your best option on defense is none other than Scott Shafer, and on offense there isn't anyone, really. I'll believe Michigan has hired Randy Shannon as a DC six months after it's announced, but that's what this plan requires: hiring Randy goddamn Shannon as DC at a million a year.
- JUCOs are not available, and I'm not sure anyone can wave a towel like Trooper Taylor anyway.
- We hired a manball advocate unlikely to stick with the bits of Michigan's team that kind of worked, and his defensive coordinator is going to be the head coach at SDSU.
- To date Michigan's pay packages for assistants have been pathetic. Brandon promised that would change. He also promised a national search and hired a guy who will probably be one of the lowest-paid coaches in the Big Ten.
- The figurehead approach leaves you vulnerable to having your quasi-HC poached, as West Virginia found out when Doc Holliday was hired by Marshall and Auburn will find out soon enough. If you can plug and play Cam Newton that might work, but Michigan can't.
Also, Chizik was an established ass-kicking BCS coordinator who led the nation's #1 scoring D at Auburn, was 5th in yardage allowed in back to back years, won the Broyles award, and then went to Texas to win a national title opposite Vince Young. He didn't really need Roof. He had Gene Chizik. He did not immediately turn Iowa State into a team of ninjas but Chizik was a better hire than Hoke even absent the ludicrous money that went into his staff. Hoke's never even been a coordinator, and his results as a head coach are less than a slam dunk.
I am all in for being wrong. Or not really so much wrong as properly skeptical in an environment where success turns on a blade of grass and real games are few and far between and randomness is so important. Kenpom just put up a great post today about +/- and its general lack of usefulness as a stat because of its immense noise—college football has a lot of noise. It is possible that Brady Hoke was just unlucky or unprepared and that his last three years are more representative of his talent than his first five. I won't become what I hate, Emperor Palpatine.
With the dual boosts of a pliant media and cooperative network of former players plus a program that should find itself on an upward trajectory instead of a downward one, everything's set up for him to look like the white knight who "saved" the program and ride that to something approximating success. Michigan's just thrown in the towel on being a national power but this could be Nebraska after Callahan instead of Notre Dame after Davie.
that's one of the finer points of this post that i don't agree with. a mediocre coach gets 7 or 8 wins next year. a 9+ season could do wonders to support this hire. anything less, meh.
Carr Haters all but forced him to retire!
Rich Rod never had a shot due to the media and the faction of those who hated him from day 1. Harbaugh didn't even entertain the thought. Miles, a Bo disciple, turned the job down. Why would anybody want to come to Michigan? It is unbelievable to think that "we are Michigan" is enough to warrant the best candidates. Would any of you accept a job knowing that you have no possible chance of pleasing anyone?
Honestly can it get any worse? The program is already a laughing stock in all football circles. 7 straight to tO$U! 3 straight to MSU! The worst bowl defeat ever! The answer is NO!
Accept it. The lore of Michigan has to be rebuilt. That's a hard pill to swallow, but it is an unfortunate fact. We don't know if Hoke is the answer. His experience, his record, we don't know. The fact is that if we don't accept it and get behind him, as one, he will endure the same garbage Rich endured.
Accept it. Look for the positives and love Michigan football with the passion that only we have. Show your support for the program and stop thinking about what might have been!
Glad to see you're not becoming what you hate
I mean, there is no pre-judging of Hoke based on absolutely nothing more than your own fears and prejudices here. Nope. Totally fair take! Jesus fucking Christ, why don't we at least get through the presser before we start proclaiming what a failure the dude is.
Michigan has thrown in the towel on being a national power? What do you think constitutes a national power? USC? Ohio State? We were never at that level and we certainly weren't getting there any faster with Rodriguez at the helm.
Sorry to be late commenting on a 3:34 am post, but "fears and prejudices"? First, you clearly misread what Brian posted--he simply reiterated what he has consistently said--that Hoke would be a bad hire. That opinion didn't and needn't change just because his fear came true. Second, speaking of fear, did you mean fear that U of M wouldn't be good with Hoke? A legitimate fear IMHO. Third, prejudice is simply not a word that by definition could apply to his comments.
Hoke deserves more of a chance that RR got. RR deserved better.
I assure you he will get it. Hoke will be given no less than 5 years no matter how he performs. Guarantee it.
I love how any post that basically says Brian is a dick gets the -1 applause sign. Where do I sign up?
We could all re-read the article and see that while being disappointed with the process and subsequent decision, Brian is not going to commision a team of bad but somehow widely-read writers to destroy Brady Hoke before he even has a chance to coach. You can support someone without agreeing with the decision that put them there in the first place, and you can disagree with someone without completely throwing them under a bus.
It seems like this was a very business-oriented decision just like DB has said he does. He's trying to unify the base and all of the deep pocket contibutors. Plus, Hoke will be very cheap since he doesn't make much money as a HC to begin with. However, I don't think this decision had anything to do with Michigan becoming a national powerhouse or winning a NC. It's pretty evident that DB was more focused with getting back to basics. Will it win games? We'll see.
some facts - i don't.
which is the source of some of the concern about his hiring (that his success to date has been achieved against significantly weaker opposition).
FEI rates the Aztecs offense 26th: not bad at all, but quite a bit behind Michigan's. Look at their schedule and you'll see a bit more clearly. New Mexico, New Mexico State, Utah State, Colorado State, Wyoming ... and they scored only 30 at New Mexico and 24 at home against Colorado State. Michigan's offense did not have any problems with weaker teams, with the exception of the game in West Lafayette in inclement weather.
Also, SDSU's offense put up 28 at TCU, and 14 of that was with the Horned Frogs protecting a fourth-quarter lead late. The other 7 came from the defense and special teams (pinning TCU deep and getting a sack/fumble/recovery TD).
Mentioning the offense is exactly the wrong approach. You've picked out the one area where Rodriguez showed a reasonable amount of success ... you should be focusing on defense instead. Although SDSU's defense wasn't that good in context (59th overall, against the 108th-toughest set of offenses), it was still miles ahead of the MAC-level effort here. That is what got Rodriguez fired, and turning that around will help Hoke to fix things in Ann Arbor.
As for 2008, well ... Hoke deserves some credit for beating a relatively good Navy team, and he can't be blamed much for having a really weak schedule, but he didn't get out of the MAC unscathed (the loss to Buffalo in the CC was disappointing, especially given Gill's struggles at Kansas), and of course he was gone before the bowl game, so we don't know how much of that loss was on Parrish and how much was simply from the Cardinals being a mediocre team with a favorable schedule. Hoke took a non-AQ team to a reasonable level of success, but he's far from the best example of that, and even his Ball State tenure raises some interesting questions.
Most of the commentary this season was about survival: with a lot of the team returning in 2011, that would be the real chance to turn things around. If the secondary would be healthy, and if some competent LBs could be found, an average defense plus an offense with a more experience Denard would be expected to improve upon this year's team, especially if the FG unit didn't suck balls. Given that a condition for RR's return in that scenario would have been changes on the defensive side of the ball, 9-3 wouldn't have been out of the question.
OK here's how it's going down. Today at the press conference Hoke takes a long pause, slams over the podium, does his best Mike Golic impression with a hint of the Big Boss Man, calls out Tressel on the spot, Vince McMahon gets word and the PPV is this weekend. Problem solved.
It's really not. For most people, including Brian, who I take at his word, carping on this choice has nothing to do with Hoke as a person and little to do with him as a coach in the abstract. I'm thrilled he wants to coach at Michigan. Rather, this is about process and Brandon's abject mishandling of every aspect of it--the firing of RichRod, the so-called search, and the final result (Hoke) as it appears TODAY.
The decision to fire RichRod is obviously a matter of disagreement on the board, but the the manner in which it was handled really shouldn't be--it was awful. If Brandon really never offered Harbaugh or Miles--and presumably didn't meaningfully seek out any other nationally-recognized HC or coordinator-- that should be considered unbelievable (I have a process--I'm going to hire Hoke). And Hoke's very very questionable resume--please not the "Michigan man" stuff--is absolutely relevant in evaluating BRANDON'S DECISION. A terrible choice for a school like Michigan.
People are right that we can't and shouldn't criticize Hoke until he does something. First up will be his staff. For me, if it is loaded with people from Lloyd's regime and his staff at SDS, that will be mark one against him. If he surprises, then he will deserve kudos. Then we will see who he keeps, who he can recruit--thanks again Brandon--and how he does in the Fall with many returning players and a soft schedule. That too will be on Hoke. At that point, I hope I will be firmly on his bandwagon. But that won't change the embarrassing way this whole debacle went down.
you're not alone.
you're allowed to be dissappointed.
I will not post the same thing over and over and argue with people about it, but yea, alot of people are bummed out with the hire.
"why can't you be happy going 9-3 every year and beating OSU 30% of the time, I mean look at Rodriguez!"
Brian on this CC. We're moving away from a Spread n Shred system that was 9th in the country last year. We never had an issue on offense. If we brought back RR and got a legit DC with free reign I think we would be very very good next year with a more experienece DRob and 10 returning starters on D with the return of Woolfolk.
I don't think the term "spread & shread" can be used to describe our offense. Yes it put up a lot of yards but it didn't do shit against a decent defense. No points when the game was still contested against the top tier teams.
I am also in full agreement with this post, except that I don't share the optimism for a nine-win season. I watched how USF struggled when they replaced Leavitt's spread with Holtz's offense that looks a lot like Hoke's; the first part of the season was brutal, but they started to "get it" after about seven games or so, and beat a few teams they haven't beaten often.
As it looks now, unless Hoke is able to come up with a hybrid offense, six wins is a very good target for this team. On the hybrid thing, though: Hoke has a rare opportunity. He is obviously THE choice of the Carr-tel, and he can introduce some 21st century concepts to the Carr-tel offense without being "offensive" to anyone in the clique.
The game passed Lloyd Carr by, but it doesn't neccessarily have to be that way for Brady Hoke. It is my belief that, within five years, all offenses, NFL and college, will be hybrids of the spread and "old school," like New England has been running for years, but with more running.
I can remember when teams routinely ran a "full house" backfield, and when there was one WR, one TE, and a "wing" who would now be called an H-back, and two backs in pretty much every backfield. It took time, but teams started using two wideouts, and then three in some situations, etc.
Football is evolving. Brady Hoke may be part of the Carr-tel, but he doesn't have to let it define everything he does. If he takes the seventy percent of what Carr did that was good, and adds thirty percent of 21st century concepts, Michigan could actually be the "leaders and best" again.
If he doesn't, I will share Brian's somewhat bleak vision of the future:
Michigan's just thrown in the towel on being a national power...
I am also, as Brian says, "all in for being wrong."
Were the rumors true that MSC - who lamely claimed she didn't know who the next head coach would be and she is making big bucks to run the place - and LC didn't want either Harbaugh or Miles from day one. The former because he made remarks about the program, and the latter because of old grudges. Cast about the internet, and you will also find pre-decision rumors that Hoke was the choice from day one.
I wish Hoke well because to do otherwise is cutting off your nose to spite your face. But that doesn't mean that I can't be crticial of MSC, LC, and DB for this charade because this is a public university and their course of action seems to have made a public laughingstock of it.
Harbaugh said "NFL," Miles said "mmmmmmmbrrmgmmmmblbm" (sound of eating Tiger Stadium grass).
DB can't procure HC services at gunpoint and spirit above-mentioned Bo-wanna-bees to the Big House under sedation.
It's like 90%+ of this board is certifiable on the HC search: ignoring the facts and pounding the virtual podium.
Thank God someone with Michigan ties who doesn't use the hallowed memory of Bo as a career stepping stone really wants a challenge.
I can't wait to see Brady Hoke prowling the sidelines in a pair of black high-top cleats, knowing enough about a good defense so he doesn't have to use the word "Lombardi."
Yubba dubba doo!
I, for one, am looking forward to perennial 8-4 seasons sprinkled by losses to teams Michigan should beat and wins over OSU from time to time, then getting crushed in a bowl game.
Talk about a return to Bo/Carr/Moeller. It was totally worth nuking this recruiting class to get this.
Well its not exactlly like we were on a National Championship trajectory or anything. Getting trucked by MSU, Ohio State, Iowa, Wisconsin and Penn State for each of the last three years and laying down like the French anytime a team hit us in the mouth gave me lots of confidence for the future under RR.
But then again I fondly remember the National Championship, 4 BCS bowls and being competitive in every game we played. Yeah the Bo/Carr/ Moeller era really sucked.
Dennis Dixon, Brad Banks, and FREAKING Joe Germaine beg to differ. Oh, and Armanti Edwards is snickering.
Carr would have had 7-5 seasons with this talent and you know it. My point was RR was on an upward trajectory and would have figured this out and put Michigan on another plane of competition. Now we're back to where we were, only this time there's no tying for the Big 10 title and backing into a BCS bid.
I'm surprised and disappointed at the negative comments here. Brian is totally off his rocker. DB is a pro and doesn't make decisions without a plan. For goodness sake, he worked for Bain Capital for several years. Bain doesn't do anything without a 50 page strategy document and a plan. I doubt this process was any different. He is easily the best AD we've had since DC and will prove himself further as time goes on. I haven't seen ONE negative comment from any former player and the current team appears to be genuinely supportive of this hire. Were we really excited about LM coming in with his SEC stank and bringing us down to the level of that phony Tressel? We're better than that. We're Michigan. Start acting like it.
I am a new poster here, but I could not agree more. Let's wait and see where he takes the team before making and rash decisions. Bo had little cred before he came to UofM too. All in for Michigan!!
More new accounts (three in this immediate area) ... hmm.
However we got here. Here we are.
For being the leader of "if you don't support the coach you aren't a real Michigan fan" mantra. Do you think that condemning Brady Hoke because he once worked for Lloyd Carr, is not 35 years old, and hasn't proven himself to your satisfaction is a bit hypocritical?
I love what you do here. I may not always agree with your analysis but I am always impressed with the effort, the science and the fairness.
And to be fair, I have some level of familiarity with your feelings at this time, because I had those feelings no matter how hard I tried to get rid of them for the last two years of the former regime.
I agree that this search was very macular-degeneration-esque in its peripheral only focus on the "national map" resulting in only seeing the Michigan Men at the fringes.
I am hopeful that we don't get a return to LLoyd Ball - though the Lloyd body of work is to be admired.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
As always ---GO BLUE!
We as Michigan fans need to get over ourselves. I am reminded in this whole choaching search of the movie "Accepted" and the notion that a great university is defined not by the students they accept, but by how many they can reject. As the "Harvard of the West" we should be able to define our football staff, not by whom we accept, that is hire, but by all the coaches who so desperately want to come but are rejected. We assume that any coach worth his salt would be speed dialing Brandon begging for the job. We as a fan base want to revel in all the great coaches we turned away. After all, look at how many got rejected when WE got in to the Harvard of the West, so why should it be any different for our coach. We are not a plan C school educationally, and we should not be a plan C school with out football coaching staff. [Of course the new conspiracy is that Hoke was always plan A...the rest was smoke and mirrors].
If even mighty tOSU had to go to plan C, what makes us any better? What this fan base needs is a dose of humility. Brady Hoke did very well in a hostile situation in Ball State, a place where some in the administration were activily undermining him, and did very well in San Diego. He has the right connections to the program and deserves a shot. Is this any worse a hire that a coach whose last job was Youngstown State?
I liked Loyd Carr. But when he left it was more than time for him to go. I liked Rich Rodriguez and cache that came from having the "inventor" of the spread as our coach and would have liked to see him get a couple more years to see if he could work it out with a new DC. But that is not what went down. Hoke is now our coach. Lets hope Brandon is good to his word and gives him the green to go get a good staff and that all of the glowing things written about Hoke by those that know him or have played for him are more than true. [Although I was looking forward to trying to finding and wearing an official Michigan a "Mad Hatter" hat to games] On the whole, I think this is a good hire and I am ready to cheer for his success both on and off the field.
"last job" should probably read "won four national championships".
Hoke showed little at Ball State or SDSU to suggest that he will have the kind of success here that we hope he does. Tressel showed beyond a doubt that he could succeed at the I-AA level; what was unknown at the time was whether or not he could also succeed at the I-A level. (Regrettably, he has, although it certainly seems that he plays by SEC rules to do so.)
That said, I certainly agree that it's time to hope for on-field success. Regardless of what any of us think about the coaching search or about Rodriguez' tenure, I think we all are hoping for success the right way.
... you lost me at "I'd rather have Rich Rodriguez entering year four..."
David Brandon knows that sometimes you have to do the right thing, even when it's not the easy thing.
Michigan doesn't need a "name" coach. It needs a good one who could be great.
Thank God Miles isn't coming; Harbaugh never was.
We hired what we are now. We are a 2nd tier Big Ten football team that just hired a 2nd tier coach along the lines of whom Indiana or Minnesota might hire. We waited 1 1/2 months for this hire?
both Indiana and Minnesota have actually passed on Hoke in the past
Hoke isn't a stupid hire. He might have been all that we could get right now.
The incredibly stupid part was waiting until January 11 to do it. RichRod should have been fired the day after the Ohio State game, and Brady Hoke should have been hired the next week, back when he could have salvaged the recruiting class and hired some coordinators. Calvin McGee should have been the interim coach for the bowl game. Auditioning for a head coaching job, he might have actually given a shit about the outcome. Brandon is a moronic dumbshit, and this process was a fiasco. Did Brandon really think that the Gator Bowl was going to provide him with any data that he hadn't seen in the past three years?
I'm all in for Brady Hoke, but Dave Brandon is a complete dumbfuck and has no business running an athletic department. That's the guy who should go next.
The way this firing and ensuing coaching search were conducted further damaged the reputation of the program and that's my major problem with it. It appears to everyone in the country that Hoke was the third choice and he was only chosen because he's a "Michigan Man", a phrase now more vomit-inducing to me than "don't go there", "don't worry be happy" and anything including the name "Geico" put together. The fact that the notion of a "Michigan Man" was emphasized by someone who wasn't a "Michigan Man" himself to begin with makes it even more idiotic. This coaching search seems orchestrated solely to satisfy the old school alumni in this regard and that the safe hire is reverting back to the conservative, sit-on-the-lead-and-pray-we-don't-lose Carr days. I totally agree with not bringing Miles to Michigan in the shadow of our own NCAA infractions given the willingness he obviously has to screw over kids and their families evidenced by the whole scholarship revoking/grayshirting fiasco. I think this is absolutely a better hire than Les would have been. But I agree the hire does seem disasterous at first glance, mostly because of the less than stellar W/L record and lack of solid coordinator experience (clearly Chizik=apples, Hoke=oranges). However, I think the misgivings and doubt have been turned up to 11 based on how this firing/hiring took place and the timeframe in which it occurred. And that falls on Brandon, someone who should have the business sense to know better.
HOW the hiring was handled is the problem! IF you wanted Hoke all along what did waiting 3 weeks do but chase off recruits?
This board is unbelievable and Brian just feeds it. I think there's actually more thought-thru commentary (and thats all any of this is until we get some results) on the Detroit media sites, dare I mention their name.
What we have is a lifer as a head coach now. He is tough, defensive minded and he TURNS PROGRAMS AROUND. And he LOVES MICHIGAN. For God sake give him some time. I am 100% behind him and am confident. PLayers absolutely love him and I am certain he hates MSU and OSU as much as us. I love the guy and have never wanted to see a coach succeed as much as Hoke and when he does I will give HIM the credit and be block quoting from this thread when the bandwagon fills back up. No I won't because I really don't care that much what you people think.
I'm willing to give Hoke a chance. The players seemed to have a good reaction to it, and that is what counts at this point.
I'm pissed at DB for his "process." It seems like he knew all along he was getting Hoke, but he did this national search, if you even want to call it that, to placate our fanbase. In reality, I think he alienated more people.
In bashing all the folks who never gave RR a chance, it would be hypocritical of me, and us, to u-turn and bash Hoke before he steps onto the field at the Big House. National Search was, in fact, not, and it appears DB got shunned by Harbaugh and Miles and settled on Plan C. But Hoke is the man now, and should at least be given the opportunity to succeed.
This hire was made simply to appease the factions that divided Michigan under the Rich Rod tenure. The old goats will never get over football being Bo style with your two tight end sets, running the ball 60-70% of the time, and playing sturdy defense. You'll get this with Hoke. The Lloyd faction never got over the fact that RichRod wasn't a "Michigan Man". You'll get this with Hoke.
However, I'm part of what I hope is a third faction and that is one who just wants to win. Lloyd ball got old and boring and resulted in 8-4 and 9-3 seasons. The passion to move on was to develop a USC, Florida, Texas run of competing for multiple national championships. I can't help but think Brandon is dead set on being a regional power instead with a safe coach that brings the fanbase together, lives off its history, and hopes for a magical season here and there.
I'll support Hoke, but I'm not sure how a coach with a 47-50 career record, who has "somewhat" turned around two programs, and never had "sustained" success at one school, even in a non-BCS conference, gets this gig. It's safe, hopefully uniting, but not very inspiring.
I'm a firm believer that recruiting gets you 8-9 wins and coaching gets you the other 3-4. I'm not sure how Brady Hoke can convince a kid to come to Michigan when we need to recruit nationally against the likes of Tressel, Kiffin, Mack, Stoops etc... but I sure hope he finds a way to do it and can muster some decent schemes and coordinators in the middle of frickin' January to get the path started.
I would have more respect for DB if he'd of just picked up Hoke as his "Plan A" immediately after tOSU debacle and given him a shot at some good coordinators and additional recruits to hold this class together. I still think 8-9 wins is possible, and I still think Denard will be back, but this whole process reeks and the expectations certainly seem lowered from what I've had in my bloated brain of what Michigan football is supposed to be.
Yeah, those 9-3 seasons, occasional victory over OSU (maybe 1 in 5 tries), the losses to mediocre ND teams, splitting with MSU, splitting with Wisconsin...yeah, very top echelon thinking there...with this coach, that's where we'll end up.
Meanwhile, OSU went outside the Woody Hayes coaching tree, and find themselves playing in BCS bowls virtually every year now, and occasional national championship games.
It's all in perspective and goal setting...
I used to love Lloyd Carr. I enrolled in Michigan in 1998, fresh off his national championship team. I had the 2007 Capital One Bowl saved on my DVR. I used to get really sad when the players carted Lloyd off the field. I used his Rudyard Kipling quote from the Law of the Jungle when I gave speeches to the hockey team I coach. Seriously, I thought he was the man.
But now, he is just the old man behind the scenes pushing for his cronies because he wants the legacy to be about him not the University. A friend of mine who is pretty well connected in the athletic department told me the day before RR was fired that neither Harbaugh nor Miles would be the next coach, and in fact would not even be offered the job, but that it would be Hoke. That was allegedly because Carr did not get along with JH or LM (presumably since they never worked for him) and BH was from the Carr side of the Schembechler/Carr tree.
Initially, I thought such a conspiracy theory was rediculous. Why wouldn't Dave Brandon get Harbaugh - he could have had 5 loosing seasons and people would still have loved him. Plus, he was a proven coach. Hoke does not have a winning record, much less a track record of turning teams around. Two random good seasons at Ball State and SDSU are not proven records of improvement. The evidence of my friend's conspiracy theory abounds and I am sad.
We should have went after the best coach for the job - this is cronieism.
*sorry, but I interpret the no swearing to mean swearing about DB or BH
Well, it looks like I found the loser site of Michigan fan football. RR sucked! His offense did nothing when it mattered. It gets quarterbacks hurt and does nothing when a game is in the balance. Get a life and close this blog down and open one for RR new team, what ever second rate school that may be. This is the Big Ten, where defense decides games most of the time!
With reasoned posts like this--"this is the Big Ten" dammit--we're all in for insightful commentary. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
if these people are trying to satirize this whole Amurrica! mindset. I hope so.
Everybody think back to December, when it was widely thought that Harbaugh would be our next coach, but it just hadn't been announced yet. There was no evidence whatsoever to support this, but people believed it anyways, because they thought that there's no way that Brandon could be so stupid that he would actually enter January without having a solid plan for a head coach in place. Well, guess what. He is that stupid, and it looks now like the surface appearance throughout December and January was the correct one.
You really think that Dave Brandon is stupid? Whatever.
What if I told you that Jim Harbaugh told Dave Brandon that he was not going to make decision on his future until after his bowl game and it was going to come down to either coaching in the NFL or at Michigan. He was just unsure of which of his ultimate goals was more important to him at this time.
So Brandon pursued Harbaugh, didn't get him and went with Plan B, Hoke. No plan, still stupid, huh. Yep, lets go back to the Tom Goss era.