you're a Jimi Hendrix fan too. Goddamned hippies.
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you're a Jimi Hendrix fan too. Goddamned hippies.
I'm a fan of anyone who succeeds at a consistently high level because I think hating on folks just for being good is a tremendous sign of personal weakness and insecurity.
What Dex said.
Everyone wants Pete Carroll as a coach, and they want the success USC has had over the last few years. Don't tell me you wouldn't take constant 10 or 11 win seasons with the occasional embarrassing underdog loss over your current state in a second, even if you're a Florida, Texas or Okie fan. This is envy, plain and simple.
The part about losing 1 or 2 games a year was basically the Bo years. We'd lose to ND or a random team and then play in the Rose Bowl. I was in school for the last year of Bo and the begining of the Moeller eara. What's funny is that I can remember people complaining after losing to FSU in 91 that it meant another meaningless Big Ten title and useless Rose Bowl. (Both happened - we got drilled by Washington). Funny how time (and a 3-9 season) can bring perspective.
Still I can't remember Bo ever saying that we should be No. 1. I recall his POV being that all the rankings were complete BS and he just wanted to win the Big 10, beat OSU and win the damn Rose Bowl. Until there is a playoff, I am 100% with Bo. The BCS is a joke. Pete Carroll shouldn't have to, or try to, politic to try to get a share of someone eles's title. (Are you listening Tom Osborne, you scum bag?)
Carroll's 8-year run eclipses anything Bo did.
I respect Pete Carrol, but I always hope usc gets beat whenever they play. I do not like them for a number of reasons... Hollywood, OJ, Matt leinart commenting that he felt that they were still the better team after Texas beat them for the National Championship, The Phantom Touchdown, and Brent Mushmouths constant shilling for usc to be named National Champs. I know they might be playing better than anyone at this point of the season. But look, Brent, somebody else is playing for the title. So fucking let it go already.
Did you disown Mike Hart when he essentially said the better team didn't win after M-OSU 2006?
Did you disown Michigan when Russell Crowe showed up?
Did you let it go when M got passed by UF in 06?
I'll freely admit to being envious of USC's success . . . and I hate them for having it instead of us. Sue me.
Pethe Carrolth wath an athithtant unther me ath Arkanthath. He'th a heckth oth a coach anth a man.
You deserve it. And now I need new pants.
Brillant, just brillant.
Now tell me how I wipe all the Holtz-spit off the inside of my computer screen.
I would not say I disowned Mike Hart....but man, there were times he did not represent Michigan in a way that I appreciated.
Well at least your puritanical moral standards are applied to all college athletes.
To some degree. When players from other teams do things that I find detestable I rail against them. But when someone from Michigan does the same thing, well, it's like one of your own children doing something regrettable. You can't hate them for it. You can only forgive them and hope they don't do it again.
USC is the best program in the country right now and has been for the best part of this decade. Put them on the field against any team in the country and they're the favorite. That's a fact Jack. However it does suck that they get to play a home game every New Year's Day.
For those who hate Carrol, college football will always cycle. He brought that program to where it is today, but in the future (five years, twenty years, who knows?) USC will be weaker, or even bad.
It happens. It's life. Personally I applaud the work he's done, though I don't always agree with the way he runs his team. But that's why he's the coach and not me!
Wish that old maxim applied here, but it doesn't.
USC is a monster. Can't argue that.
Dan Gable, Iowa's former wrestling HC, said after he won his first NC everyone loved him. After he won 10, everyone hated him.
So there is that.
What got me the most about the Rose Bowl were all those tiny little secondary guys trying to cover USC's big recievers. This has been going on for years at USC and no one has been able to stop them consistently. Gee, if only there was an answer...
USC just has a ton of talent and motivates them well. We need more TALENT!
If USC were playing in the mythical NC game, that would be fair. I don't think Flordia or Oklahomo is better. Or Texas.
Body of work or who is the best now?
Agreed Elno. It's like the playoff argument. Oklahoma may have lost to Texas back during the season but could probably beat them now. USC was a damn well motivated team last night.
the Big Ten IS "slow", and most importantly, the Big Ten is not good compared to the elite conferences. This has been the case the last few years, and I sincerely hope it changes soon. The Bowl season is where we see conference strength, and 1-5 speaks loudly, with the acknowledged strongest conferences this year, the Big 12 and SEC, both with only one loss, and the PAC 10, supposedly down, at 5-0.
This is a ridiculous thread. For one, I agree with dex and others that the hate for PC is either envy or insecurity. During our coaching search last year, is there any one of you who would have wanted to turn down Pete Carroll had he wanted to coach here? Not a chance in hell.
And for the guy who said PC is shady (or something like that) for hoarding talent - you're straight retarded. Is there any team in the NCAA who would turn down highly rated players because they think they have enough good ones? It's not like he over signs classes, he just fills them with top talent. That's not a bad things, that's actually what every other school, ours included, is trying to do.
You guys are all correct. It is the weather, girls and celebs. It has nothing to do with Carroll and his ability. Those are ridiculous advantages. That's why USC has never had a bad season. It's also why UCLA is one of the most dominant programs in the country. And San Diego State.
I started this out of frustration. The kind of frustration that you had when you could never beat your dad on the basketball court, and then when you could, he was "too old" to play.
USC is great. Has been great. Will be great as long as Pete is there. I was just frustrated with how the media and Pete himself seem to miss that they lost a game and in no way deserve to say they could beat anyone. (he told Saunders last night on the podium that they were the best...they may be right now, but this season is not made right now; it is 12 weeks long) What he should have said was that, "We didn't do everything we could have this year, therefore we cannot be national champs".
That is all I wanted to accomplish. I do envy what he has made at USC and I don't think he is crooked. He loves what he is doing and that is cool to see.
Yes but the two teams in the so-called National Championship Game also have a loss on their records.
Yes but the way they approached it was quite arrogant. IMHO
He should have said,"We did not do what we should have to put ourselves in a postion to win the NC." His answer, along with the media's portrail, made him look like a cry baby and everything is unfair.
It is. Please make a substantive argument for why Florida is better than USC.
My windy city friend. However, what is done is done and nothing can be changed. So we all must deal with it. ABC and Pete did not deal with it real well.
I want a playoff more than anyone but we don't have one. If USC is so good, then why did they lose a game?
The same reason that all other teams (save Utah, for now) have at least one loss, and why most years the national champ has at least one loss: There is enough parity in college football that it's very difficult to make it through an entire season flawless. On January 9th, I'll make a post, directed at you, saying "If (OU/UF winner) is so good, then why did they lose a game?"
I cannot argue with you. This is why we need a playoff....but even then someone left out of that will say, "we are the best, we were hot at the end of the season...yada yada yada"
I will say that I love the partity and would not have it any other way. College football is just so vool.
It's true that even with a playoff some teams will be left out. However, I'd rather the debate be about who's the sixth, seventh, or eighth best team than who is first, second, or third.
But that is why different people have different views on what style playoff to use. The plus one system is one of the more popular systems, and if it were used this year, USC very well may still be left out. And if they were in, then Texas or Alabama would be out.