He's bad--just don't ask why!

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July 18th, 2008 at 11:16 AM
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He's bad--just don't ask why!

On the Barking Carnival link on the side bar listing the top 10 coaches RR is number 6. However, it starts with this bit, “Say what you want about his ethical makeup, the guy gets results.” They say that about 2 other coaches Saban and Erickson. I am curious where this idea that RR is unethical came from. Is it Pacman Jones and Chris Henry? Is it the media blitz from WVU that ensued after he left? I am not personally concerned about either of those issues because Jones and Henry weren’t problems at WVU and anyone who’s a coach for that long will have some bad eggs. There’s at least as much to question Tressel’s ethics in this area. WVU and the media associated with it is clearly insane so I ignore most of that irrational, unreadable crap. Is it the whispers of the Michigan Men combined with the oddly hostile Michigan media? It seems to me that the press has decided in the absence of published evidence that RR is unethical. Am I off base here?

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July 18th, 2008 at 11:17 AM | I'm not endorsing the view (Score:0)
July 18th, 2008 at 11:18 AM | I thought the BC link's (Score:1)
Brian
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I thought the BC link's reference to "ethical" stuff was not a personal opinion but an attempt to deflect the most common critcism, FWIW.

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July 18th, 2008 at 12:20 PM | I think if they're lumping (Score:1)
MaizeAndBlueWahoo
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I think if they're lumping him in with Saban, they're definitely taking a shot at his ethics.

And I think the assumption about that comes from the fact that most media coverage about RR has been from West Virginia.  And the further assumption is that coverage out of Michigan is just trying to defend him because he's "ours", while coverage out of West Virginia is stuff from people who "know what he's really all about."

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July 19th, 2008 at 11:34 PM | Well, if anything if you look (Score:1)
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Well, if anything if you look at it, it should be a swipe at the ethics of Alabama since both guys were courted there. And from what I have read from Brian in months gone by, Bama seems to sort of make up the rules as they go on rosters and nubmers of slots open, etc. A wee bit shady there. BTW, both guys also come from the same county in WBGVa if you can believe that. RR has had his share of "bad eggs" but he has been known to give those kids another shot much like Tressel. Sometimes that rubs people wrong... special treatment for athletes, etc. Hopefully he won't have the kind of kids who get in trouble but they ARE kids. Kids = trouble. I've heard his side of the story enough to know that calling him unethical really depends on what state you live in. I think his original statement should suffice: It's America and he wanted to change jobs. The rest is just pissing matches.

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July 20th, 2008 at 11:50 AM | Well, the ethics, or complete (Score:1)
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Well, the ethics, or complete and total lack thereof at Alabama, are hardly in question given that "Alabama" and "death penalty" were mentioned in the same sentence rather frequently a few years back.  A wee bit shady, hell.....Bama's shadiness stands out the Shady Ethics Conference.  That's saying something.

But I don't think there's anything unethical about asking a coach under contract somewhere else if he's interested in the job.  Happens all the time.  I believe it would be tampering within the conference (depending on conference rules), but outside the conference is fair game.  If coach says no, it might be unethical to pressure him, but just asking is not a no-no, IMO.

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July 21st, 2008 at 1:36 PM | As far as RR having bad (Score:1)
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As far as RR having bad apples at WV goes, let's not forget that it was West Virginia - they basically have to take chances on guys like that in order to compete. There just isn't much of a talent pool in that state.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:52 AM | Coaches Under Contract (Score:1)
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It is SELDOM that a coach is hired who isn't under contract. Any coach worth a crap is under a rolling 5-year contract. The only coaches who aren't under contract are assistant coaches and the ones who have been fired. There is nothing wrong with a coach leaving for a new job. The contract is merely a description of the actions that need to take place should certain things occur... Bonuses paid for certain successes, activities required by the contract signer, and what happens if either side fails to live up to their obligations under the contract. Technically, RR lived up to his contract by agreeing to pay the buyout clause.

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July 21st, 2008 at 10:53 PM | A thread entitled "He's bad..." (Score:1)
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Figured it was going to be about Edgar Renteria.

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July 22nd, 2008 at 8:12 AM | I miss Lloyd already (Score:1)
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Given Rich Rod's past I think that it is fair to say that I miss Lloyd already. I agree with most of the bloggers that he was too conservative as a coach, and I disliked how little access there was for the average fan. Having said that, he is a wonderful man, and his program did things the right way. Lloyd's word always meant something, and I think that we know we have a slick operator running the show now. I am willing to give him a few years to see how his kids do in school, how competitive he can be and how he responds to off-the-field problems (Grady should not be back in uniform if this guy has any sense of right and wrong. The young man could have killed someone, and he needs to learn that playing football is a privilege.). All I can ask of a college coach is that he routinely turns out good people, and that his teams are competitive from year to year. I think that this is true in his case, and I hope that Coach Rodriguez can be half the man that he is. Here's to hoping that Rich Rod learns what it means to be a Michigan Man.

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July 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 AM | Yeah, Grady should get the (Score:1)
dex
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Yeah, Grady should get the chair.

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July 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 AM | Michigan Men (Score:1)
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I'm pretty sure the Michigan Man, Bo, was the biggest supporter of Gary Moeller after his alcohol incident.  This has been beaten to death already, but Grady deserves punishment, and deserves another chance.

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July 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 AM | And.. (Score:1)
dex
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What "past", exactly, are you referring to? The horrible crime of looking at another job? A non-existent history of misbehaving players that you manufactured while ignoring the crimes of Michigan athletes during the past decade? The winning?

Lloyd's a good dude, for sure. But jesus, you act like Rodriguez is straight out of Wall Street or something and doing blow in Schembechler Hall with Chris Henry while banging a cheerleader.  

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July 22nd, 2008 at 11:45 AM | lilbrownjug, What you wrote (Score:0)
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:52 PM | Hey guys, in the interest of (Score:1)
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Hey guys, in the interest of civility you might want to save the ritualistic beatings for those who come looking for it instead of those merely stating an opinion. Do I agree with what Brownjug said? No. I think Grady should not be punished for what could have happened but what did. Do i think our "winning tradition" is overblown sometimes? Yes. But he never attacked either of you in the same way you just went after him. If you get into a discussion where he disagrees and is an ass it's one thing, but the confrontational tone won't help the community. Snarky smartass comments (my specialty) like "Give him the chair" are funny and get your point across, the rest just serve to belittle people and make their time here less enjoyable. Keep in mind not everyone comes here to argue point by point- and treating them the same way we treat each other on occassion will probably just make them stop coming around. just my two cents.... /soapbox

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July 22nd, 2008 at 3:12 PM | Grady versus Iowa situation (Score:1)
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This is kind of strange that I see some dovetailing of this Grady thing with what is going on with Iowa.

Iowa was a total criminal thing and should have been immediately handled by the police, with criminal prosecution if warrented (with potential punishment appropriate to the crime). It was not something that should have been handled "informally" by the athletic department, which has the maximum punishement of, what, loss of [pratice time, playing time, hot-tub time, or, God forbid, scholarship???] or some such less-than-adequate nonsense.

Then there is Grady, who, while not on campus grounds, gets picked up for [DWI, DUI, I am not sure] by the police. It is a police matter, and is being handled, appropriately, by the police and court system. And that is the proper arena for this to be resolved.

Any "punishment" that UM, the football team or the AD give at this time is premature (Grady hasn't been found guilty nor pleaded). This is what happened to the Duke LaX players - they were found guilty by the U and AD before they ever had a chance to clear their names. I am also not comfortable in having a player punished for something both by the courts as well as by the university.

July 22nd, 2008 at 3:20 PM | Littlebrownjug, do you (Score:1)
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Littlebrownjug, do you remember the K-Mart scandal, when Maurice Williams and Jonathan Goodwin shoplifted thousands of dollars of merchandise with the help of a cashier? Carr's on-field punishment for them was to sit out the first play of each game. Around the same time, William Peterson was 1) arrested for sexual assault; 2) arrested for stealing from a stripper; and 3) arrested for getting into a brawl at a fraternity. The third strike finally got him booted off the team, but he was quietly promised to return if he kept his nose clean for a semester (I know this because I actually had a class with him that term). He then was busted with pot on a suspicion-of-delivery charge, and transferred to a I-AA school. I could go on for some time. Point is, on a team of 100+ testosterone-charged players who are gods among men on campus, it's not uncommon for some to get into trouble. And it's not uncommon for the coach to give them a second, or third, chance to turn it around. The idea that Carr ran an absolutely tight ship and tolerated no misbehavior is laughable.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:50 PM | I agree with you imafreak 1 (Score:1)
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Not sure how he came to be labeled "unethical".....something tells me that that God Damn Oatmeal Eater Wilford Brimley helped perpetuate this label with his bitching about Roy Roundtree. In fact.....got an email from earlier today from a Sparty who had this to say: ".......so they could continue their outstanding recruiting practices!!" Yeah....signing a kid on LOI day who wants to play for Michigan is unethical. Naturally. Anyway, the more this stuff gets tossed around in the media the firmer it's grip becomes on his image. It will be nice when Tiller retires and spends his time ordering supplies from Liberty Medical.

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July 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 PM | That's another thing that pissed me the hell off (Score:1)
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Tiller and Tressel getting all holier-than-thou and angry at RR for poaching their recruits.  Fans across the entire Big Ten now have this image of RR as a shady recruiter who commits the horrible sin of recruiting "committed" kids.  I don't mind the fans so much.  All fans are lemmings anyway.  We'll believe whatever we want to.  Tiller and Tressel though.....Brian did a masterful job of proving the raging hypocrisy of their criticism of RR.  Tressel's was even more egregious than Tiller.  Tiller probably spoke in the heat of the moment.  Or it was the dayabeetis talking, one or the other.  Tressel had the gall to make a snide, sideways crack about it.  tUOS fans, who think Tressel is the messiah, will tell you he didn't specifically say "Rich Rodriguez" or direct his comments at RR.  Then again, neither has he bothered to correct basically the entire MSM world who took it as such.

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