Excellent - A it's good to see a DT. Also, Wayne is big-time OSU country, so it's good to establish some Michigan ties.
Hello: Terry Talbott
Time for a bit of googlestalkin' each of Michigan's newest two commits. First up: DT Terry.
|3*, DT #50||3*||2*, 73, DT #115|
Talbott is a slightly smaller, and currently low-ranked, defensive tackle prospect. Here's ESPN on him:
If he stays inside he will need to add serious bulk to his frame. Looks on film to have the build to be able to add more good size... Works to try and generate some power from his lower body when he engages a blocker. Needs to work on being able to shed from the block. Will flash the ability to explode off the ball and get into a blocker and power his way into the backfield. He can be disruptive when he does this, but will usually drop his head down and can run by the play or get caught up with the blocker. He is a solid wrap-up tackler. Plays with a good motor and will pursue to the ball. Displays adequate speed and short-area change-of-direction skills. While build-wise a move to end may be a better fit, long term skill-wise staying at tackle may be better.
Duane Long, an Ohio State recruiting analyst:
Notice how often he does not use his hands. Needs alot of work. He is just beating his opponents with elite level explosion off the ball. I have not heard measurables listed yet but the words "physical specimen" are being thrown about.
As a caveat, those things were said when he still thought Talbott would end up at OSU, but those words are not to be taken lightly either way.
Not to be left out in the effusive praise train, Wayne coach Jay Minton says:
"He's very big, very explosive and has a great change of direction," Minton said. "He's got an uncanny ability to get to the football and control the line of scrimmage. He creates a new line of scrimmage."
Sounds like a very talented player. As with many of Michigan's commits, his rankings are limited a bit by a slight tweener status. However, he'll develop into a true DT at Michigan.
Arkansas, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan State, NC State, UCLA, Wisconsin. Michigan offered Terry in early June. According to Ohio State recruiting guru Duane Long (in the article linked above), he was one of the best prospects at the OSU camp, and was close to a Buckeye offer:
We are kicking around alot of names right now with the camp but I am not going to be surprised to see this one as the next Buckeye offer.
Terry is a defensive tackle for his Huber Heights Wayne team, and therefore does not accrue any meaningful statistics.
FAKE 40 TIME
4.8 per Rivals, Scout gives us another decimal point in precision, and says 4.87. Though Terry is a DT, he's an undersized one who will have to put on a bunch of weight when he gets to college. As a 265-pounder, that's a feasible time, and receives only one FAKE out of three.
Scouting Ohio is pretty awesome for video any time there's a commit from The Buckeye State:
ESPN also has a non-embeddable highlight video of their own.
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
Athletic but undersized, Talbott is cruisin' for a redshirt in his first year in Ann Arbor. Michigan can afford this, as they lose basically nobody on the defensive interior following the 2009 season. He'll put on weight, learn to refine his technique, and hopefully be ready to contribute in the 2011 season. At that point, he'll probably be an explosive, penetrating tackle, like the fellows that gave Ohio State a world of trouble in the 2006 and 2007 National Championship games.
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
Michigan is thin on defensive line, so Talbott helps shore that up. If an elite prospect like Sharrif Floyd were to favor Michigan, they certainly wouldn't turn him away. The biggest affect these commitments have on the rest of the class is filling the thing up.
Profile of (non-twin) brother the cornerback later today. The Talbotts are teammates of 2011 QB (and the #1 prospect in Ohio) Braxton Miller. Taking these two certainly won't hurt Michigan's chances with Miller. Post-visit interview by TomVH.
This is really good news, we really needed a defensive tackle or two in this class so I'm happy we got him.
Nice work pulling in the Talbott Brothers. Hopefully they get into Braxton Miller's ear and persuade him a bit, even though he loves the Buckeyes.
With Tate, Denard, Devin G. and C Jones already in the fold, getting Braxton Miller is a luxury not a must. Watching the depth build is comforting.
Unless you want a sophomore or freshman starting post Devin, it's a must.
2009: Tate and Denard, freshmen
2010: Tate and Denard, sophomores; Gardner and Jones, redshirt
2011: Tate and Denard, juniors; Gardner and Jones, redshirt freshmen
2012: Tate and Denard, seniors; Gardner and Jones, redshirt sophomores; Player X, redshirt
2013: Gardner and Jones, redshirt junior; Player X, redshirt freshman
2014: Gardner and Jones, 5th year seniors (maybe); Player X, redshirt sophomore
2015: Player X, redshirt junior
Obviously, there's no way to predict the future. But I agree with the previous poster - it's not necessary that we get an elite quarterback every year (in this case 2011). It would be nice, but you can't expect it.
Great pickup, good to see a true defensive lineman commit, he has good speed and could play DT or DE in our defense, really good player
I'm glad we got a DT in the class, as we need at least one badly, but I'm very confused by the disparity of his offers and rankings. Before there's an explosion, I know ranking isn't a huge deal...RR's philosophy is different (ie Dileo)...and I too would rather have someone with offers than ranking. But isn't it odd that he has offers from most of the top of the Big Ten (close to one with OSU), and his scouting report doesn't really match it?
I also like that it's a package deal with another position of need and puts us in a better position with Miller.
One thing that is bothering me though is our lack of depth at the position. With his measurables, he's already probably walking around his house wearing a redshirt. I hope we push hard for Floyd or another DT that could come in and help right away.
The vast majority of his scouting reports are actually very positive - it's the rankings that are a little low. If he puts on some weight, he could become a near-elite level player.
As far as a redshirt - that's likely, but most defensive tackles redshirt anyway (Michigan fans have just been spoiled with Branch, Taylor, Martin, and Campbell in succession), and there isn't a huge need for a freshman contributor for the 2010 season depth-wise.
I guess we are just about officially done with Mathis after getting Terrence. Now we need to go get Christian, Ifill, Grimes, and a couple OL. I guess we will be taking four CB. Brian has Ifill as a CB on the recruiting board, but he would play safety correct? If Witty doesn't make it, how many people will we take?
It's a question if why doesn't Witty make it. In other words, will he ever make it into UM? If it's possible I think they try to bring him back in during the winter if possible.
Ifill is a safety.
If we can get Christian, Grimes, and Ifill that would be awesome, that would put us at 21 commits, room for a few more, We'll probably cool off on Mathis but keep him as a backup plan if we don't land one of the three listed above
With Evans and Helmuth leaving, I consider these two replacements, freebies in a way. There is no impact on going after Floyd or other DTs or all those CBs. I know the offers predated the departures of Evans and Helmuth, but the effect is the same. We get to roll the dice on these two and still fill out our class the way we planned. I like it.
what is brian's actual email address...the email-links on this page won't work for me.
Watching his highlights....Terrance the CB can really tackle well. He keeps his shoulders square to the runner, gets broken down and his head across the runners body. He also seems strong, and you can tell that he just loves to hit!
That is a great pickup, a physical corner can always be utilized on a Big Ten defense. Very excited about the upside of this kid based on that video. He flys around and makes plays.
I disagree. He did lay one on Alex Smith, but other than that, I'm not too impressed with his hitting/tackling. He doesn't run his feet through the tackle and too often goes for a ride. It's something that can be coached, but as of now, I wouldn't say that's one of his strong points.
CoachBT says PAD LEVEL, EXPLOSIVE ATHLETE, QUICK HIPS.
Okay, I'm done.
What you are looking at is Open Field tackling by a CB....it is not going to look the same as man-up MLB or OLB is going to have a chance to make.
Terrance is very good on that tape in open field tackling. His pursuit angles are excellent, he gets involved in the play and has a taste for making the play...an instinct. You cant teach that instinct and will to hit....
Actually, the big hit on Alex Smith is the hit that I paid less attention to....it was an open shot on a guy focused on trying to catch a ball...no big deal.
However to see a CB come up and make tackles in open field is impressive and shows good signs of what the player can be at the next level, with proper physical conditioning (aka Barwis) and coaching.
Too many times we have seen our DBs miss tackles in open field, either by getting run through, or taking bad angles to begin with.
Terrence shows an ability to do both, on that tape.
Thanks for the introductory lesson on open-field tackling and the difference between a cornerback and linebacker.
Yes, he's making those tackles in the open field. Due to his position, he's not going to be filling gaps. Thus, almost all of his tackles will be in the open field.
Also, if he DIDN'T make the tackle, it wouldn't be on his highlight tape. That doesn't mean his technique was perfect.
"Too many times we have seen our DBs miss tackles in open field, either by getting run through, or taking bad angles to begin with."
If he doesn't improve his tackling technique, college runners WILL run through him. He's a pretty good player, but there's some work to be done (obviously, since he's a high school junior in that tape).
Well Magnus, you and I agree to disagree...but if you are going to neg others who have a difference of opinion, then you will get neg'd right back. I agree to disagree with you and that is how it should be. Take care.
I didn't neg you for your difference of opinion. I negged you for the condescending way in which you explained what open field tackling is and that a CB is different from a LB.
I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw that video. Also liked the way he chased the play down a few times and stuck to his assignment and ended up being where he was supposed to be when the play reversed. Good Spinner prospect? Maybe too small...
Terry Talbot the DT... good motor, plays a bit high and needs to get his pad level down more consistently. Good tackler and never quits on a play. Could be a better fit at DE rather than DT.
RR said he wants kids that "love to play football"...these 2 brothers appear to fit that description.
I need to talk to the Parents, I don't think I will ever get these names straight. Do they have nicknames? Nicknames would be worthwhile.
Good pickup, he looks like a really solid player.
On an unrelated note, I think I preferred Brian's grounded realism to Tim's cautious optimism in terms of recruiting article tone.
your niceness confuses me
Why? This was a kid that I would have liked to see at OSU. He's clearly got some talent; I'm not thrilled that he's playing at Michigan, but it's good news for you guys.
And the Rich Rod streak of getting teammates stays alive in this class.