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watchu talkin' bout, Penn State?

Well, I was wrong about Penn State implosions not having a direct effect on Michigan's roster: OH CB Ross Douglas decommitted from Penn State two seconds after the sanctions were announced, got an offer from Michigan today, and committed about two seconds after he got it.

Douglas is a four star at three of the four recruiting sites; at 5'10", 180 he's more in the Courtney Avery mold than the lanky guys Michigan's already acquired. More details in an INFORMATIVE UPDATE forthcoming.

INFORMATIVE UPDATE:

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#21. Does a lot of tailbackin' in high school. via

GURU RATINGS

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3*, #42 CB 4*, #22 CB, #222 overall 4*, #30 CB 4*, #25 CB

Ross is a four star to everyone but Scout; no one puts him in the top 200. FWIW, Ross was in the initial 24/7 top 247, right at the tail end. He's probably just outside it right now.

Given his size, which is listed at 5'10" and gives off a vibe of generosity, the rankings imply his skill level is high but the height puts a cap on his ceiling.  The level of disagreement here is far smaller than for, say, Gareon Conley, who is either awesome or not awesome depending on who you listen to.

ESPN's evaluation backs up the high floor, low ceiling guess:

Plays and pursues fast but lacks ideal top-end speed and does not project to be lock down cover corner in college you want to leave on an island. Shows a good nose for the ball and is at his best playing the pass in front of him. Displays good footwork and balance as well as closing burst. Lacks a tight, fluid waist and doesn't always look smooth in transition when locked down in man but he can recover with burst and proper inside positioning to make a play on the ball. Does a good job using his hands and leverage in tight coverage. Aggressive and effective in press; will reroute and take away the inside release. Competes for the jump-ball when challenged deep in one-on-one coverage but can struggle versus taller receivers. We didn't see great leaping or ball skills. This is a solid second level defender.

Douglas attended the Columbus NTFC at which David Dawson and Malik McDowell drew raves, and did well for himself:

4. Ross Douglass, CB, Avon (Ohio) High School – The defensive back group in Columbus was very strong and had a lot of depth to it. On this day, Penn State commit Ross Douglas was our pick for the top player of the talented group. He doesn’t have the height and length that is ideal in a corner prospect but he was the most fluid and natural defender in coverage at the event.

Douglas has great feet, flips his hips with ease and he also has some make-up speed to recover in tight spaces. The only thing he seems to be missing is that prototype height.

Another evaluation:

DB: Ross Douglas, 5-10, 179, Avon (Ohio)
Breakdown: It was Douglas' ability to cover in the slot that grab the eyes of the coaches. He is very quick and showed an understanding of zone coverages.

And Barton Simmons responds to a question:

Douglas is awesome he's just a little bit undersized.

Helmholdt on the NIKE camp:

Douglas is so consistently clean in coverage that you almost forget he is out there. Not hearing your name called is a good thing at the cornerback position, and the public address announcer is not saying "Douglas" very often. The 5-10, 175-pound prospect is not a flashy player. He stays in great position in relation to the wide receiver throughout routes and makes throwing the ball in his direction very unappealing. Douglas has all the speed he needs to stay with receivers and his technique is near flawless.

We're getting a picture here. It's a picture of Courtney Avery.

FWIW, he attended The Opening, and told Allen Trieu($) that he plans to enroll early:

"The plan right now is to graduate early. I'm on track right now. I'm taking a summer class and I'm doing very well in it, so I'm on track to do that. They said if I come in and just bust my tail, there will be an opportunity for me and that's exactly what I'm going to do."

No reason that plan would have changed, unlike his plan to go to Penn State. Douglas said he was "120% solid" to PSU in April, but the situation changed slightly after he said that.

OFFERS

Douglas obviously had a Penn State offer. Wisconsin, Nebraska, and Tennessee also offered. Michigan and other regional powers had not checked in with offers but they didn't have much time: Douglas pulled the trigger on his PSU commitment in February and was on the market the second time for all of a day.

STATS

Junior year:

* 38. Ross Douglas, defensive back, Avon – Douglas (5-10, 180, 4.4) was a third-team All-Ohio pick in Division II. Douglas helped Avon reach the Division II state title game. As a junior, he carried 175 times for 1,019 yards and 15 touchdowns and added 10 catches for 150 yards and another score. On defense, he had 40 tackles, 13 pass break-ups and one interception.

Yes, that is Bucknuts ranking him the #38 player in the state.

FAKE 40 TIME

4.4? FOUR FAKES!

VIDEO

Here:

You'll be surprised that the soundtrack is RAWK instead of rap. I was, at least.

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

Douglas's commitment gives Michigan a whopping four cornerbacks in the class. Douglas is the second short guy (Jourdan Lewis is the other) to go with tall guys Channing Stribling and Gareon Conley. Meanwhile, only JT Floyd exits after this year. Michigan is loading up at corner.

So it might be tough for all of these guys to see the field… except when it's not. Cornerback is a spot with three starters these days, and Michigan is preparing for the days when they'll take on some future NFL quarterback in a BCS bowl. I get it. I remember Football Armageddon. I like it.

Michigan has three distinct corner positions:

  • Field corner: plays to the wide side of the field, often against the best WR the opponent has to offer. Less run support responsibility.
  • Boundary corner: plays to short side of the field. Usually a bigger guy better on the edge.
  • Nickelback: plays over the slot. Has safety help virtually all the time. Priority is underneath routes and quickness. Doesn't have to be tall.

Douglas seems like a nickel, Lewis a field corner, and the other two boundary corners unless one of them turns out to be really really good in which case he can play field corner and flapjacks for everyone.

At nickel, Douglas has to deal with one year of Courtney Avery and a couple of Delonte Hollowell; after that he has a surprisingly clear path to a starting-ish job. I think Michigan would prefer it if they had two bigger guys on the outside, but the emphasis placed on that third corner spot is obvious… and reassuring.

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Here's your upshot: Michigan is done save for a receiver they hope will be LaQuon Treadwell.

BONUS UPSHOT

Douglas's commitment all but erases any chance Michigan will go after a Penn State transfer who has more than one year of eligibility left. They want to add a receiver, they probably will get Treadwell, and they are already banking on attrition to get the 24 guys currently budgeted on campus. They're preparing for a reasonable level now, but adding further guys would be pushing it*.

Exception: if Frank Clark's stuff escalates into a career termination event Michigan may look to a Zettel to nerf the damage.

*[Obligatory oversigning note: Michigan is not going to sign guys they don't have room for because of Big Ten rules, and they converted all their scholarship offers to multi-year. The risk here is pissing off a kid you promised a scholarship to, whereupon he goes somewhere else. That's an order of magnitude less cynical than the Alabamas of the world. But it is something less that perfect moral rectitude and makes me a little uncomfortable.]

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July 24th, 2012 at 12:57 PM | Finally some good news!  (Score:2)
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Finally some good news!  Welcome aboard, Ross.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | 97.1 The Ticket (Score:1 Normal)
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must be an MgoBlog fan as they reported this in the 1pm news-sports-flash.  They did not mention mgoblog by name, they just said, "it is being reported locally that he is committed to Michigan."

From the Red Cedar Message Board:  "God hates us."  Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does.  Everyone hates you.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:30 PM | Well the sideline reporter (Score:3 Normal)
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Well the sideline reporter for Michigan games does have a show on from 10-2 there. Besides Karsh, Wojo and Fithian, that station hates itself some Wolverines. Plus, twitter is a pretty big things these days.

You know, Dude, I myself dabbled in pacifism once. Not in 'Nam of course.

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July 24th, 2012 at 12:58 PM | YEEEAAAAH BOY! (Score:2)
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YEEEAAAAH BOY!

Homer? Who is Homer? My name is Wolverine Incognito.

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July 24th, 2012 at 12:59 PM | Great news! I was surprised (Score:2)
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Great news! I was surprised that we would take another DB at first, does this mean we hold out for Treadwell and tell everyone else (Green, etc) that we're full? Or perhaps the recent legal situation has bumped us up to a class of 25? Regardless, I trust in the coaches here, great pickup.

COYS and lets go Detroit FC!

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July 24th, 2012 at 2:16 PM | I was surprised also, but Ace (Score:2)
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I was surprised also, but Brian brings up a good point that we often play 3 CBs.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:00 PM | Oh great... (Score:1)
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Now we only have one spot left and seven months to go. What are we gonna do with ourselves?



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July 24th, 2012 at 1:31 PM | Awesome pick up!  Hopefully (Score:1)
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Awesome pick up!  Hopefully The Quon commits now that one spot remains, and if there is any attrition (as there always can be expected to be) we look to add another 320 pound DT to the Maize and Blue Buffalo Stampede alongside Peewee Pip & Co.

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July 24th, 2012 at 2:01 PM | Complain about how Hoke can't (Score:5 Normal)
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Complain about how Hoke can't reel in any good signing day commits, obviously.

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July 24th, 2012 at 2:30 PM | It's going to be a TERRIBLE (Score:3 Normal)
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It's going to be a TERRIBLE NSD!!!

 

/ s  (if not obvious all ready . . .)

 

Seriously though, this is a great piece of unexpected news! Congratulations to Mr. Douglas.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:02 PM | Welcome to the Michigan family (Score:5 Normal)
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Welcome young man.  Sorry your first choice didn't pan out due to the incredibly unfortunate circumstances, but I think you will enjoy being a Michigan man.

BILG

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:07 PM | maybe a little bit of arrogance (Score:1)
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but talk about landing on your feet from a bad situation! I hope the rest of the student athletes, that wish to transfer out of psu get some type of soft landing like this young man did

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:40 PM | Not arrogant at all... (Score:2 Normal)
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Extremely soft landing....

From a top 50 academic institution with incredible facilities, football tradition, and 100K+ stadium seating capacity to...

A top 25 academic institution with incredible facilities, football tradition, and 100K+ stadium seating capacity.

Add in the Michigan/OSU rivalry for the Ohio native and he really came out of the situation well.  I was digging through their recruting class the other day and I though he was going to end up at OSU.

BILG

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:05 PM | Hilariously, Ace is gone (Score:5 Normal)
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Hilariously, Ace is gone today. Recruits live to make his life difficult.

Denard has spent the offseason working really hard and smiling at people.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:43 PM | BSD has their "Hello: Ross (Score:5 Normal)
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BSD has their "Hello: Ross Douglas" post still up, including video, so looks like Ace has some prepared research to draw from.

Oh where, oh where is Antoine Joubert's hair?

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:08 PM | Count me surprised. (Score:1 Flamebait)
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Congrats to Ross and welcome to the class!

Count me surprised. I feel like Ross is a poor man's Jourdan Lewis. Surprised we took him over several of the other options for one of the two last spots (McQuay, Green, Bailey, etc.) with Treadwell. Regardless, seems like a good prospect.

Maybe this class gets to 25? Maybe I'm overanalyzing...

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:14 PM | We'll see what happens with Clark (Score:2)
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and his Cam-Newton-At-Florida alleged impersonation

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:08 PM | Also realized upon looking at (Score:2)
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Also realized upon looking at Twitter:  Rich Rodriguez and Charlie Weis are trending.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:35 PM | Don't forget todd graham (Score:3 Normal)
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Todd Graham at the podium "The toughest thing is being patient." No inconsistency there. Maybe he left the school before finishing his train of thought. 

3-time Wolverine

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:09 PM | Uh-oh, Brian put "informative (Score:3 Normal)
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Uh-oh, Brian put "informative update" in all caps. The pressure's on, Ace!!!

Michigan football = life

GO BLUE!!

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:14 PM | Do we have two extra (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Do we have two extra scholarships available since Fitzgerald and Frank were kicked off the team?  I'm not sure how all that works, but might have something to do with it.  If thats not the case then the coaching staff must think that Ross is worthy of getting one of the two scholarships currently available, or maybe this scholarship won't be counted against this years class because of the NCAA ruling?

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:15 PM | fitz and frank are not kicked (Score:5 Normal)
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fitz and frank are not kicked off the team. Just suspended indefinitely.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:16 PM | Neither, to my knowledge (Score:2 Normal)
SamirCM
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MGoPoints: 270

Have been kicked off the team, where are you getting that from? Fitz has been suspended "indefinitely," and likely will be suspended a game, two at max (this is based on what usually happend with a DUI). 

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:20 PM | Fitz and Clark are currently (Score:4 Normal)
reshp1
Joined: 10/31/2011
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Fitz and Clark are currently suspended but still on scholarship. Of the two, only Clark's offense is remotely likely to result in getting the boot completely. Even then, it will likely only be after the legal process plays out and if it plays out unfavorably for Clark. At any rate, I would be shocked if taking Douglas has anything to do with either incidents. I think it's more of a case that the coaches like what they see at a position of need and/or feel their other prospects are cooling.

Douglas is a 2013 prospect who hasn't signed a binding LOI yet so he's not transferring, he's decommitting and committing to Michigan just like any other recruit, so no waiver.

 

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:16 PM | I don't usually appreciates (Score:2)
evenyoubrutus
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I don't usually appreciates comments like the one I'm about to make but...

 

whoa. awesome

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:18 PM | (No subject) (Score:5 Normal)
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July 24th, 2012 at 1:19 PM | WOW...Can the class get up to (Score:1)
CR509
Joined: 02/02/2011
MGoPoints: 323

WOW...Can the class get up to 26 with the possible EE being bumped back to last years class? Congrats Ross!

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:23 PM | The yearly 25 commit cap is (Score:3 Normal)
reshp1
Joined: 10/31/2011
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The yearly 25 commit cap is not the limiting factor this year like it was last year. We are bumping into the 85 total scholarship limit, so counting an EE won't help (also, we were full last year, so we wouldn't be able to count the EE towards last year either AFAIK). Unless there's higher than normal attrition or a lot of fifth year seniors are given the "firm handshake" and don't get their scholarships renewed, 26 is unlikely.

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July 24th, 2012 at 3:15 PM | You're right about the 85 (Score:4 Normal)
Mr Miggle
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You're right about the 85 total cap being the limiting factor. We weren't full last year though as we had several backdated EEs. So a class over 25  is possible if there is enough attrition.

Eating is murder.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:24 PM | So we already know who the (Score:4 Normal)
ken725
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So we already know who the YMRMFSPA is going to be.

Greetings from Bolivia.

"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple."  - Gary Moeller

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:30 PM | you guys are slacking.... (Score:5 Normal)
DeathToTheBCS
Joined: 02/16/2011
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Kate Upton approves of this commit!

Wherever you go, Go Blue!

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July 24th, 2012 at 2:39 PM | What the hell?? (Score:5 Insightful)
MGoBrewMom
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Is she wearing red?

Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal

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July 24th, 2012 at 2:59 PM | Yeah... (Score:5 Normal)
GoWings2008
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...but we can cut her a break.  Her wardrobe is most likely picked out by someone else.  Probably a drity rotten bucks fan...  Personally, I would have liked her to remove that filthy garment and go without.  Just out of principle, of course.

The Team, The Team, The Team

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July 24th, 2012 at 3:11 PM | You are clearly (Score:5 Normal)
MGoBrewMom
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A person of impeccable integrity....almost.

Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal

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July 24th, 2012 at 4:20 PM | Yes... but not very much (Score:3 Normal)
RakeFight
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Yes... but not very much red.  At all.

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July 24th, 2012 at 10:17 PM | Yes, but not much of it. (Score:0 Redundant)
M-Dog
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Yes, but not much of it.

M'Dog

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:32 PM | Dumb question (Score:2)
MGoBrewMom
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Is he 2012 or 2013?

Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:38 PM | He's a 2013 recruit. (Score:2)
a2_electricboogaloo
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He's a 2013 recruit.

USING GRATUITOUS AMOUNTS OF CAPS LOCK SINCE APRIL 2011

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:43 PM | 2013 (Score:1)
rosedani
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2013

"You talk about trust you, gotta trust a player to win a face off, win a battle, get the puck out, or shut somebody down, i put Matt Rust in front of anyone" - Red Berenson

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:33 PM | I'm gonna be honest I have (Score:0 Normal)
the Glove
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I'm gonna be honest I have mixed feelings about the commitment. Michigan is on the short list of some big name recruits out there and it looks like some of the players that they said they'd wait on are out of time.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:50 PM | Who besides... (Score:4 Normal)
Westwood
Joined: 04/23/2009
MGoPoints: 209

Treadwell has strong interest? We're either in kids' top 346 or there was once significant interest that has since faded. I'm not upset by this pickup in the slightest and only makes a stellar class that much....stellarer.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:55 PM | Mixed feelings about a 4* Cornerback? (Score:5 Normal)
JeepinBen
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How quickly some forget....

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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July 24th, 2012 at 7:59 PM | Amen (Score:2)
clarkiefromcanada
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I'm just getting over those years.

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:59 PM | Don't have mixed feelings. (Score:5 Normal)
WolvinLA2
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Don't have mixed feelings. Athletes in the secondary, man. And we only took one CB last year, plus none of our 2011 CBs redshirted.

Like Brian said, we play three corners a lot, so this is good.

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July 24th, 2012 at 2:00 PM | Don't have mixed feelings. (Score:5 Normal)
WolvinLA2
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That's what I said.

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:43 PM | I will just keep repeating my mantra... (Score:3 Normal)
Gwhizz
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I do believe in Hoke.
I do believe in Hoke.
I do I do I do...
Welcome aboard, Ross Douglas!

I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

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July 24th, 2012 at 2:42 PM | On to 2014. Let's get it (Score:2)
turtleboy
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On to 2014. Let's get it wrapped up by NSD too, lol.

How many times have you been on the freeway and had someone fly by you at 100 mph then end up 2 cars ahead of you at the off ramp? What's the point? -Mark Harmon

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July 24th, 2012 at 1:48 PM | hmmm (Score:5 Normal)
JeepinBen
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"You'll be surprised that the soundtrack is RAWK instead of rap. I was, at least."

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

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July 24th, 2012 at 8:34 PM | I too noticed this... (Score:-1 Overrated)
Mr. Yost
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I understand most "young people" put rap over RAWK in their highlight videos...but very poor taste. I highly doubt it would've been said if this was Desmond Morgan's or Kyle Kalis' highlight video.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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July 24th, 2012 at 10:43 PM | I too noticed this... (Score:1)
Mr. Yost
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I understand most "young people" put rap over RAWK in their highlight videos...but very poor taste. I highly doubt it would've been said if this was Desmond Morgan's or Kyle Kalis' highlight video.

“True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is noise — the other, loyalty.”

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