Hello: Nebraska, Probably
At the same time Izzo is either going to Cleveland or not going to Cleveland (GO TO CLEVELAND, FOR GOD'S SAKE) another misinformation-rife story has either happened or not happened. This one is almost universally in the "happened" category, though, and there is actual FOIAed evidence of it:
VI. RESOLUTIONS
Resolution regarding UNL athletic conference alignment.
If you want a meticulously-linked summary of the current state of affairs, Doctor Saturday has you covered. Suffice it to say that the evidence in the media is at the point that it should overwhelm the understandable skepticism given the many false alarms to date.
The Big 12 is "dead" according to expansion savant Chip Brown, with Nebraska's defection the fatal blow and the original Pac-16 (Colorado, no Baylor) the next step. Colorado's move to the Pac-something is the next domino, with Matt Hayes and the local paper both declaring the move a fait accompli:
The University of Colorado will announce at an 11 a.m. Friday press conference that the school will leave the Big 12 and join the Pac-10.
Multiple sources confirmed the deal to the Camera early Thursday, and league officials are scheduled to be in Boulder on Friday for the announcement.
The Big 12 is set to explode soon after, though the remaining members are gathering in Austin to see if they can work something out. Also Texas A&M has been talking with the SEC, because crazy needs to happen everywhere.
Big Ten Endgame
The Big Ten seems to have been undone by the "solidarity pledge" taken by Texas (woo!), A&M (all right), and Tech (guh) despite the widely-held opinion amongst Texas fans that UT would prefer the Big Ten and the CIC over the Pac-10 and nothing. If we're entering a world of 16-team super conferences that are logistically stupid, the Pac-10 has just eaten the Texas power pellet and will start chasing the Big Ten all over the map, all because they are willing to swallow things like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.
If the Big 12 South minus Baylor does move to the Pac Something, where does that leave the Big Ten? Outmaneuvered, mostly. Letting Texas escape to another conference is a major blow. They'll be battering down Notre Dame's door by threatening to pick off enough Big East schools to destabilize ND's home for basketball and non-revenue sports. They could pick over the scattered remnants of the Big 12 to see if they want a Missouri, though the current environment suggests they won't.
Having lived in Maryland most of my post-college life, U of Maryland has never shown much support for its football program based on attendance. Considering the size of the school and the population center in which UMD is located, one has to wonder just what UMD brings to the table. It is a basketball school, and that program is incredibly well supported. But football? I don't see it. Academically the school would be an OK fit.
I have seen Michigan play Maryland before, it was at the Big House. I remember some Terp fan in front of us cheering "LET'S GO TERPS! - CO VER THE SPREAD"
he was not referring to the offensive scheme at the time.
because those games aren't leaving the BTN. In fact, the more marquee teams the Big Ten adds, the more likely it is that the BTN games will involve the teams you don't want to see. (Unfortunately for you, that was kind of the purpose of the BTN, to televise the "other" games.)
There will be solid matchups every week, and ABC and ESPN will be more than happy to televise as many as they can. For those of us willing to watch other teams, the BTN will simply be able to carry more games (woo alternate channels!).
So, if it is indeed Nebraska and only Nebraska, the most obvious set-up for divisions is East-West, looking like so:
EAST
- Penn State
- Ohio State
- Michigan
- Michigan State
- Indiana
- Purdue
WEST
- Northwestern
- Illinois
- Wisconsin
- Minnesota
- Iowa
- Nebraska
Terribly lop-sided in favor of the East. North-South requires a fairly arbitrary line to be drawn. This is clearly a football-and-money decision. It's not good for college sports and it's not good for the Big Ten. But what does that matter?
Since Nebraska and Colorado are leaving the Big 12, maybe the Pac 10 will substitute Utah and another school in place of Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. I live in California and get the sense that many out here aren't too happy about allowing Oklahoma State and Texas Tech to join just to get Texas.
If that happens, perhaps the Big Ten could offer Texas and have a shot especially if the Texas fans prefer the Big Ten as folks on here have said.
If Nebraska and Colorado leave, the Big 12 will almost surely fall apart and Texas may no longer have the power to bring all those hanger-ons with it. Texas will have to go somewhere and doesn't seem interested in the SEC.
That won't happen. The only reason Tech is being considered is because of Texas. The Pac 10s willingness to accept Tech shows the so called "price" it's willing to pay for getting Texas. I don't think the Big 10 would even consider offering Tech. Getting the big bounty (UT) is conditional on you taking some garbage (Tech) so to speak.
Well, now that Colorado is official, how long before Nebraska says f*** it and comes out with an official announcement? I find it interesting that Colorado was the first official team to jump ship; it theoretically takes the heat off Nebraska. Goodbye, Big XII, it's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.
For what it's worth, I'm with Njia. This could be the start of something really cool. Kinda like listening to the clanking of a rollercoaster as you go up the first hill... the Colorado announcement was that last clank as you crest the hill. Hang on for a fast, up and down, twisty but ultimately exhilarating and awesome ride.
I guess that $20 I spent on a Big XII hat a couple weeks ago was wasted. Glad I didn't buy a T-shirt, too, at least.
Assuming Nebraska to the Big10 happens, it is likely only the first move of a multi-move game.
And it looks like a smart one. It forces action from other conferences--Big12/Pac10 obviously and then Pac10 and then SEC and then Big East--that will likely net the Big10 what it really wants (ND), but could not get right away. And if not, well then a 12 team conference with Nebraska is still pretty sweet. As a Big10 fan, I'd rather the conference be proactive and start the whole process than be reactive to the Pac10.
I think when the dust is settled this will look like a brilliant opening move. Texas was never happening. A 14 team conference with Nebraska, ND, and one of several other eastern schools? Nice conference! We could not get that in one swoop, but move by move it will happen.
Unless of course this is all bogus news.....
Damn!
So much for being proactive.
Thanks Pac-10.
So no that two dominoes have fallen, how do the rest fall?
My original thinking behind this: http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/double-chess-for-a-super-d…
At this point, the key is A&M. If A&M can get a political split from UT, then A&M will join the SEC, the Pac-10 kills the big 6 offer except colorado, and A&M/OU/OSU join the SEC. Then UT to the Big10.
If A&M can't get a split from UT, and doesn't want to join the B10, they both end up in the Pac10. In this case, Big10 adds Neb/ND/Maryland/Rutgers/Syracuse, although Rutgers and Syracuse might wait for the invites a year or 2.
If A&M can't get a split from UT and are willing to join the B10, the Big10 adds Neb/UT/A&M/Mizzou/ND.
EIther way, the Pac-10 adds Utah and Colorado and stops there. Possibly not Utah, but I would bet they do to prevent Orrin Hatch from flipping shit.
One thing is for certain: the Colorado and Nebraska announcements have only made things more interesting, not less.
This is pretty much what I was thinking as well, but one more option is for the Big12 to just add TCU and BYU.
Texas doesn't want to be in the Big12. That's something people are overlooking. They HAVE to say it publically, but remember Texas tried to join the Pac-10 in the late 80s.
I'm married into a Nebraska family, and let me tell you a little first-hand about them. Her Mom could probably name the current 2-deep (and have an opinion about who should start), and starters for the last 5 years. They have a special Nebraska Football section in the paper every day, all year.
The eyes on the game doesn't end in Nebraska, either. What's the most popular team in Kansas? Nebraska. What's the most popular team in Colorado? Nebraska. What's the most popular team in Missouri? After Crack, Nebraska. So it's not just Lincoln and Omaha. It's Omaha, Lincoln, Kansas City, Denver, etc. Yeah, it's not NYC, but that's a whole lotta Rotel ads.
As various posters have pointed out, the BTN is already carried in New York and other major cities due to the fact the B10 has alumni everywhere.
Yes, but it is part of the sports tier, which costs extra. It is not part of basic cable in New York.
I live in Austin, and I can assure you, most UT fans are more than happy to stick around the Big 12 (now 11, soon to be 10) and dominate.
Expansion is not a big subject around here. It's hasn't even been the lead story on the sports page yet. Some of my friends who are season ticket holders are not even aware the Big 12 could be falling apart.
I will admit UT fans are a little arrogant which probably upsets the other Big 12 schools, but UT has earned it. They dominate in a wide range of mens and womens sports.
I don't really see it that way. The three big fish in the expansion derby are Texas, Nebraska, and Notre Dame. Delaney has already bagged one of the three, and the chess match with Notre Dame is still playing out. Even if he "loses" Texas, the Longhorns were always a longshot.
I suspect Delaney can have the Irish anytime he wants, simply by putting a bullet in the Big East, which he could easily do. That he has not done so, suggests that he is keeping his options open, not that he has lost the game.
And now we get revenge for those damn Sunbelt referees at the Alamo Bowl. Come on down Cornhuskers... we got something for you and your precious Blackshirts.
It is a national program with incredibly deep local roots so be gentle, Jim, because Nebraska football isn't a "brand" or "inventory" as you like to call the games you sell to networks. Nebraska football isn't just something to fill air time on the Big Ten Network. It is a culture. It is brawn. It is Outlands, Heismans.
It is the Great Plains version of Michigan -- with its pride still intact. [Screw you, Dodd.]
Now it's all yours, Jim. Don't mess it up. Don't make Nebraska football into ... Purdue, something lost in the haze of a 16-team conference. I'm talking to you, Jim Delany. This is on you, the Big Ten commissioner. You didn't just invite a school or a team or a program. You invited a state, its people, its past, its future, its ethic.
Overall they are a great fit. They are local, and produce a good football team for the most part. We are expanding to make the Big 10 more competitive. I think a lot of you are focusing too much on academics. Who the hell cares how awesome we are academically when we went 8-16 the past two years? Academics are overrated IMO. These kids are still getting a college degree from a D1 school. I'm glad we are adding Nebraska because they give us a more well rounded conference. What is not to love about the cornhuskers? I think if we expand again we should add missouri and not ND. ND provides nothing to Michigan and are a piss poor football school. Maybe that will change under their new head coach but somehow I doubt it.
Now I'll finally be able to see revenge for that joke of a Alamo Bowl. Does anybody now exactly what year the expansion will start?
Missouri come on down!!!
I love the Nebraska move and if the Big 10 stopped right here, they'd have the best conference ever known to college football. Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State in one league? Are you kidding? A championship game every year with Nebraska/Wisconsin/Iowa vs. Michigan/Ohio St/Penn St? Doesn't get any better.
More than 12 teams is too many and there's no need to go any further. At 12 it's still a "conference"; at more than 12, it's something else altogether. And the aesthetics are perfect: The original Big 10 picking off the best program and best tradition just to its East and 20 years later, after much deliberation, picking off the best program and best tradition just to its West.
The divisions everyone's talking make perfect sense with natural rivalries and great matchups and depth in both divisions. It's a fantastic league as is right now. No need for anything more.
If everybody goes to a super conference (as it looks like they will), how bad is it to get the texas package deal? especially if this whole situation leaves ND with no other option but the big 10. Also, if that were the case, would it be possible for the big ten to have a TEX-ND division and a MI-OSU division? that way, rivalries could stay pretty much the same
Get rid of Indiana and bring in missouri and kansas.
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