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Brian

At the same time Izzo is either going to Cleveland or not going to Cleveland (GO TO CLEVELAND, FOR GOD'S SAKE) another misinformation-rife story has either happened or not happened. This one is almost universally in the "happened" category, though, and there is actual FOIAed evidence of it:

VI. RESOLUTIONS

Resolution regarding UNL athletic conference alignment. 

If you want a meticulously-linked summary of the current state of affairs, Doctor Saturday has you covered. Suffice it to say that the evidence in the media is at the point that it should overwhelm the understandable skepticism given the many false alarms to date.

The Big 12 is "dead" according to expansion savant Chip Brown, with Nebraska's defection the fatal blow and the original Pac-16 (Colorado, no Baylor) the next step. Colorado's move to the Pac-something is the next domino, with Matt Hayes and the local paper both declaring the move a fait accompli:

The University of Colorado will announce at an 11 a.m. Friday press conference that the school will leave the Big 12 and join the Pac-10.

Multiple sources confirmed the deal to the Camera early Thursday, and league officials are scheduled to be in Boulder on Friday for the announcement.

The Big 12 is set to explode soon after, though the remaining members are gathering in Austin to see if they can work something out. Also Texas A&M has been talking with the SEC, because crazy needs to happen everywhere.

Big Ten Endgame

The Big Ten seems to have been undone by the "solidarity pledge" taken by Texas (woo!), A&M (all right), and Tech (guh) despite the widely-held opinion amongst Texas fans that UT would prefer the Big Ten and the CIC over the Pac-10 and nothing. If we're entering a world of 16-team super conferences that are logistically stupid, the Pac-10 has just eaten the Texas power pellet and will start chasing the Big Ten all over the map, all because they are willing to swallow things like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.

If the Big 12 South minus Baylor does move to the Pac Something, where does that leave the Big Ten? Outmaneuvered, mostly. Letting Texas escape to another conference is a major blow. They'll be battering down Notre Dame's door by threatening to pick off enough Big East schools to destabilize ND's home for basketball and non-revenue sports. They could pick over the scattered remnants of the Big 12 to see if they want a Missouri, though the current environment suggests they won't.

Comments

bluebyyou

June 10th, 2010 at 1:18 PM ^

Having lived in Maryland most of my post-college life, U of Maryland has never shown much support for its football program based on attendance.  Considering the size of the school and the population center in which UMD is located, one has to wonder just what UMD brings to the table.  It is a basketball school, and that program is incredibly well supported.  But football?  I don't see it.  Academically the school would be an OK fit.

zlionsfan

June 10th, 2010 at 3:02 PM ^

because those games aren't leaving the BTN. In fact, the more marquee teams the Big Ten adds, the more likely it is that the BTN games will involve the teams you don't want to see. (Unfortunately for you, that was kind of the purpose of the BTN, to televise the "other" games.)

There will be solid matchups every week, and ABC and ESPN will be more than happy to televise as many as they can. For those of us willing to watch other teams, the BTN will simply be able to carry more games (woo alternate channels!).

ScottGoBlue

June 10th, 2010 at 1:10 PM ^

So, if it is indeed Nebraska and only Nebraska, the most obvious set-up for divisions is East-West, looking like so:

EAST

  • Penn State
  • Ohio State
  • Michigan
  • Michigan State
  • Indiana
  • Purdue

WEST

  • Northwestern
  • Illinois
  • Wisconsin
  • Minnesota
  • Iowa
  • Nebraska

Terribly lop-sided in favor of the East.  North-South requires a fairly arbitrary line to be drawn.  This is clearly a football-and-money decision.  It's not good for college sports and it's not good for the Big Ten.  But what does that matter?

bvanlee

June 10th, 2010 at 1:11 PM ^

Since Nebraska and Colorado are leaving the Big 12, maybe the Pac 10 will substitute Utah and another school in place of Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.  I live in California and get the sense that many out here aren't too happy about allowing Oklahoma State and Texas Tech to join just to get Texas.

If that happens, perhaps the Big Ten could offer Texas and have a shot especially if the Texas fans prefer the Big Ten as folks on here have said.

If Nebraska and Colorado leave, the Big 12 will almost surely fall apart and Texas may no longer have the power to bring all those hanger-ons with it.  Texas will have to go somewhere and doesn't seem interested in the SEC.

EverybodyMurders

June 10th, 2010 at 3:06 PM ^

That won't happen. The only reason Tech is being considered is because of Texas. The Pac 10s willingness to accept Tech shows the so called "price" it's willing to pay for getting Texas. I don't think the Big 10 would even consider offering Tech. Getting the big bounty (UT) is conditional on you taking some garbage (Tech) so to speak.

MMB T-Sax 9701

June 10th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^

Well, now that Colorado is official, how long before Nebraska says f*** it and comes out with an official announcement?  I find it interesting that Colorado was the first official team to jump ship; it theoretically takes the heat off Nebraska.  Goodbye, Big XII, it's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

For what it's worth, I'm with Njia.  This could be the start of something really cool.  Kinda like listening to the clanking of a rollercoaster as you go up the first hill... the Colorado announcement was that last clank as you crest the hill.  Hang on for a fast, up and down, twisty but ultimately exhilarating and awesome ride.

StellaBlue

June 10th, 2010 at 1:23 PM ^

Assuming Nebraska to the Big10 happens, it is likely only the first move of a multi-move game.

And it looks like a smart one.  It forces action from other conferences--Big12/Pac10 obviously and then Pac10 and then SEC and then Big East--that will likely net the Big10 what it really wants (ND), but could not get right away.  And if not, well then a 12 team conference with Nebraska is still pretty sweet.   As a Big10 fan, I'd rather the conference be proactive and start the whole process than be reactive to the Pac10.

I think when the dust is settled this will look like a brilliant opening move.  Texas was never happening.  A 14 team conference with Nebraska, ND, and one of several other eastern schools?  Nice conference! We could not get that in one swoop, but move by move it will happen.

Unless of course this is all bogus news.....

ShockFX

June 10th, 2010 at 1:50 PM ^

My original thinking behind this: http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/double-chess-for-a-super-d…

At this point, the key is A&M.  If A&M can get a political split from UT, then A&M will join the SEC, the Pac-10 kills the big 6 offer except colorado, and A&M/OU/OSU join the SEC.  Then UT to the Big10.

If A&M can't get a split from UT, and doesn't want to join the B10, they both end up in the Pac10.  In this case, Big10 adds Neb/ND/Maryland/Rutgers/Syracuse, although Rutgers and Syracuse might wait for the invites a year or 2.

If A&M can't get a split from UT and are willing to join the B10, the Big10 adds Neb/UT/A&M/Mizzou/ND.

EIther way, the Pac-10 adds Utah and Colorado and stops there.  Possibly not Utah, but I would bet they do to prevent Orrin Hatch from flipping shit.

Wolv1984

June 10th, 2010 at 1:28 PM ^

[u]Football and the BTN[/u] Pretty obvious, second place in the BigXII thanks to their defense and 11 wounded ducks that they claimed was an offense. They’ll be competitive and ranked and go to a bowl *sobs, cuts self*. Speaking of bowls they’re a great to team to add in terms of getting more bowl bids. Lil’ Reds fans travel like crazy. I mean any excuse to get out of Nebraska, right? “Honey, the schedule says we’re playing the Siberian Polytechnical Cosmodrome Tundra Wolves, pack the parkas and get us some tickets from that there website Shatner advertises.” Long story short, two days after scheduling a game at SPC, Nebraska would be on the phone asking for a larger ticket allotment because they’ve sold out. Now the TV market does kind of stink in terms of set top boxes. We own Omaha and Lincoln now, woohoo! Yay, *trails off*. However don’t forget big names brings ESPN. Nebraska-Penn State/Michigan/tOSU/Wisconsin/Iowa, all of thoses are going to get eyes on the TV. Even if the program isn’t terrible relevant, if all of the above can manage to be ranked *sobs more, cuts self again* it gives us big name programs with those magic little top 25 numbers in front of them. People love to watch those games. Michigan can stumble into the Horseshoe a drunken and bleeding mess and ESPN still spends a week hyping us simply because of the names involved in that game. Another example of this is Notre Dame, they’re shit and they schedule like shit, yet they have a lucrative TV contract because of their name and the fact people watch their games. The more people you have watching your games on Saturday the more you can charge for advertising on the network. So we may not pick up a large number of set top boxes, but we’ll command eyeballs come Saturday and that means advertising dollars. *As various posters have pointed out, the BTN is already carried in New York and other major cities due to the fact the B10 has alumni everywhere. The next step is getting people to change to the BTN channel and watch a game. We need stuff bars will show, people will gather together to watch, etc. Nebraska gives us that. [u]Other Money Issues[/u] Now BTN and football money is nice, don’t get me wrong. The other lure of the B10 though is the CIC and the insanely huge amount of research dollars we get. The millions the BTN generations is sweet, but the University of Michigan Health Services (hospital, medical school, various biological research, etc) generations [b]billions[/b] of dollars. Some of this comes from patients and private grants, a lot of this comes from federal grants (CDC, NIH, etc). Adding in Nebraska means we have two more state senators who suddenly want to see the CIC given money, plus most of Nebraska’s Congressional Reps. Best part is they all have loyalty to the CIC. No other school in Nebraska has the academic chops to go after high end research money and grants. What will happen is Nebraska will do a lot of joint projects with other CIC schools. The academic credentials will come from the schools, while the backroom lobbying and political pressure comes from the politicians. ND really doesn’t help us here since we already have Purdue and Indiana to put pressure on the Indiana reps. In Texas it appears the loyalty of the legislature is “In state schools first, conference second.” Hockey! Clearly the state of Nebraska is capable of supporting a college hockey program (Nebraska-Omaha). Now we have the BTN and it needs stuff to show in the football offseason, beyond rerunning the Gator Bowl to keep the suicide level low in the Ann Arbor region. One of those “Wouldn’t it be nice things” would be a Big10 hockey conference that the BTN had rights to. We seen some signs of moving in that direction, with the Big 10 schools in the CCHA and WCHA moving to play each other more. So, and this is entirely speculation, part of the reason Nebraska may have been invited is they promised to use some of their BTN payout to get a hockey program off the ground. Notre Dame would obviously be a better prize in this area. I just can’t see Texas starting a hockey program though. [u]Corn[/u] B10 now controls Iowa and Nebraska. All your corn is belong to us. So at the end of the day, Nebraska does a lot for us, without really threatening us. Michigan and tOSU likely remain the biggest fish in the pond and we pick up the second most profitable program in the BigXII. We get their political pull (you think Nebraska and Iowa don’t have political pull? Explain those corn subsidies then good sir.), their name in football and another AAU land grant state school that likely fits our culture. They’ll be making money hand over first and likely fit in with us fairly well. With Texas we’d have 2-3 Texas schools that vote in lockstep and a Texas sized ego that may or may not have run the SWC and BigXII into the ground, all in exchange for the Texas market and a hugely profitable sports program. High risk/high reward right there. With ND we’d get the Catholic political pull and a hockey program, but let’s be honest, after a week of listening them talk about how honored they should be that surrendered their cherished independence to join us, we’d likely strangle them. As much as I covet adding in ND’s hockey program and massive fanbase, I’d must rather see them forced into the Big East to die a slow death as they become Navy’s new whipping boy.

stubob

June 10th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^

I'm married into a Nebraska family, and let me tell you a little first-hand about them.  Her Mom could probably name the current 2-deep (and have an opinion about who should start), and starters for the last 5 years.  They have a special Nebraska Football section in the paper every day, all year.

The eyes on the game doesn't end in Nebraska, either.  What's the most popular team in Kansas?  Nebraska.  What's the most popular team in Colorado?  Nebraska.  What's the most popular team in Missouri?  After Crack, Nebraska.  So it's not just Lincoln and Omaha.  It's Omaha, Lincoln, Kansas City, Denver, etc. Yeah, it's not NYC, but that's a whole lotta Rotel ads.

Rasmus

June 10th, 2010 at 2:16 PM ^

As various posters have pointed out, the BTN is already carried in New York and other major cities due to the fact the B10 has alumni everywhere.

Yes, but it is part of the sports tier, which costs extra. It is not part of basic cable in New York.

trueblueintexas

June 10th, 2010 at 2:34 PM ^

I live in Austin, and I can assure you, most UT fans are more than happy to stick around the Big 12 (now 11, soon to be 10) and dominate. 

Expansion is not a big subject around here.  It's hasn't even been the lead story on the sports page yet.  Some of my friends who are season ticket holders are not even aware the Big 12 could be falling apart. 

I will admit UT fans are a little arrogant which probably upsets the other Big 12 schools, but UT has earned it.  They dominate in a wide range of mens and womens sports.

oakapple

June 10th, 2010 at 2:35 PM ^

I don't really see it that way. The three big fish in the expansion derby are Texas, Nebraska, and Notre Dame. Delaney has already bagged one of the three, and the chess match with Notre Dame is still playing out. Even if he "loses" Texas, the Longhorns were always a longshot.

I suspect Delaney can have the Irish anytime he wants, simply by putting a bullet in the Big East, which he could easily do. That he has not done so, suggests that he is keeping his options open, not that he has lost the game.

MGoShoe

June 10th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^

...Mandel's take on Nebraska.

Once you get over the sentimental part of it -- which, mind you, Kansas isn't about to do anytime soon -- Nebraska's decision is a no-brainer. The fact is, Tom Osborne and Co. aren't leaving the actual Big 8, the league in which it used to vie annually with Oklahoma for annual supremacy and accompanying trips to the Orange Bowl. There's no going back to those glory days of Johnny Rodgers, Mike Rozier and Thanksgiving dates with Barry Switzer.

No, Nebraska is leaving the Big 12, a highly competitive but highly dysfunctional marriage of the old Big 8 schools with four Texas schools from the scandal-savaged Southwest Conference. At the time of the league's 1996 inception, the Huskers were kings, in the midst of their amazing run of three national titles in four years. A decade later, the center of power in the Big 12 had shifted squarely to its South Division lynchpins Texas and Oklahoma and, while third-year coach Bo Pelini seems to be engineering a resurrection, even he couldn't fix the off-field issues that hampered the league -- years of mismanagement and in-fighting; archaic television contracts and unequal revenue distribution.

Enter the Big Ten, which in many ways is the antithesis of the Big 12. On the field, its teams have struggled to gain national respect, and, not coincidentally, the density of top-shelf recruits in its home states appears to be waning. Off the field, however, the 115-year-old conference is a model of stability. It boasts the shrewdest commissioner in the sport, the richest television deals in the land (highlighted, of course, by its ground-breaking cable network) and the high academic standing of its institutions.
 

Here's Dennis Dodd's

It is a national program with incredibly deep local roots so be gentle, Jim, because Nebraska football isn't a "brand" or "inventory" as you like to call the games you sell to networks. Nebraska football isn't just something to fill air time on the Big Ten Network. It is a culture. It is brawn. It is Outlands, Heismans.

It is the Great Plains version of Michigan -- with its pride still intact. [Screw you, Dodd.]

Now it's all yours, Jim. Don't mess it up. Don't make Nebraska football into ... Purdue, something lost in the haze of a 16-team conference. I'm talking to you, Jim Delany. This is on you, the Big Ten commissioner. You didn't just invite a school or a team or a program. You invited a state, its people, its past, its future, its ethic.

Doug Sir Swish Remer

June 10th, 2010 at 4:04 PM ^

Overall they are a great fit. They are local, and produce a good football team for the most part. We are expanding to make the Big 10 more competitive. I think a lot of you are focusing too much on academics. Who the hell cares how awesome we are academically when we went 8-16 the past two years? Academics are overrated IMO. These kids are still getting a college degree from a D1 school. I'm glad we are adding Nebraska because they give us a more well rounded conference. What is not to love about the cornhuskers? I think if we expand again we should add missouri and not ND. ND provides nothing to Michigan and are a piss poor football school. Maybe that will change under their new head coach but somehow I doubt it.

Ed Shuttlesworth

June 10th, 2010 at 4:16 PM ^

I love the Nebraska move and if the Big 10 stopped right here, they'd have the best conference ever known to college football.  Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State in one league?  Are you kidding?  A championship game every year with Nebraska/Wisconsin/Iowa vs. Michigan/Ohio St/Penn St?  Doesn't get any better.

More than 12 teams is too many and there's no need to go any further.  At 12 it's still a "conference"; at more than 12, it's something else altogether.  And the aesthetics are perfect: The original Big 10 picking off the best program and best tradition just to its East and 20 years later, after much deliberation, picking off the best program and best tradition just to its West.

The divisions everyone's talking make perfect sense with natural rivalries and great matchups and depth in both divisions.  It's a fantastic league as is right now.  No need for anything more.

go16blue

June 10th, 2010 at 4:39 PM ^

If everybody goes to a super conference (as it looks like they will), how bad is it to get the texas package deal? especially if this whole situation leaves ND with no other option but the big 10. Also, if that were the case, would it be possible for the big ten to have a TEX-ND division and a MI-OSU division? that way, rivalries could stay pretty much the same