Maybe we'd prefer Joe, NBA GM, just sitting in the stands, watching his son, away from players- not "hanging around the program." ;-)
Hello: Jordan Dumars
Hoopster Jordan Dumars, son of Pistons president (and former Piston) Joe Dumars, has enrolled at Michigan after transferring from South Florida. He is expected to join the Michigan basketball team as a preferred walkon. Since he's a transfer, we have a little bit of info on what he'll do at the collegiate level but not much.
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The recruiting sites agree: Dumars was essentially a "meh" prospect coming out of high school. ESPN had this to say about him:
Dumars is a very accurate shooter that has very good range. He has the ability to stretch defenses as they have to account for Dumars perimeter shooting prowess whenever he steps on the court. He does not have elite athleticism or quickness, which regulates him to more of...
We can extrapolate where that sentence was going (and assume they meant "relegates," not "regulates"), and assume it will say something about how he's going to just hang out around the perimeter and shoot, rarely driving. Without elite quickness or athleticism, he also sounds like someone who will have trouble defending.
From his highlight video (see it below), he seems to have very good range, and a Stu Douglass-like courage to prove that range any time he gets the ball. He has a pretty quick release, and wasn't afraid to shoot with defenders closing in. Of course, in college those defenders will be much quicker and bigger.
Basically, he sounds like a good developmental project, as long as you don't have to spend a scholarship on him. It never hurts to have the son of an NBA legend on your team, either, especially when he's associated with the nearest NBA franchise.
Dumars is transferring from South Florida, and it appears as though the Bulls were the only school that offered him a scholarship. What a surprise that they landed him! Oddly, he committed as a junior, and it still never appears that he got more offers. Perhaps he would have become a bigger prospect without the early commitment? His South Florida bio says he chose USF over Duquesne, Michigan, and Dayton, but Michigan didn't offer him, so I question whether the other two options did.
Dumars has not been offered a scholarship by Michigan and will join the basketball team as a preferred walkon.
In his semester at South Florida, Dumars played in 6 of the Bulls' first 8 games (all Bulls wins), but sat out the last five. At least a couple of the more recent games were after he had decided to transfer, so that may be the reason he sat those out.
In his six games played, he got 27 minutes. He attempted eight shots, all of them threes, and made two. He also picked up five fouls (a lot for so little time played, since he never got more than two in a single game). The Game of his Brief Career came against Kent State. He played 13 minutes, going 2/4 from three-point land.
His South Florida bio also has some high school stats:
Country Day finished the year 24-2 and ranked No. 16 in the nation by USA Today... Ended regular season 19-1 and ranked No. 1 in Michigan ... Captain as a senior and averaged 10.2 points, 2.3 assists, 2.2 rebounds and 1.2 steals per game ... Third leading scorer on team and shot 36 percent from 3-point range and 96 percent from the free throw line.
As a junior, he averaged 14 points per game, and as a sophomore, he was the 6th man on Country Day's State Championship squad.
High school highlights from Jordan. I didn't listen to the whole song, but it's Lil' Wayne, so assume it's NSFW:
PREDICTION AND THE UPSHOT
Since Dumars is transferring at the semester break, he will be in the same situation next year that Laval Lucas-Perry was last year. He will have to sit out the Winter '10 semester and the Fall '10 semester, but be eligible to play in January of 2011. At that time, he will be a redshirt freshman with 3.5 years to play.
At that time, he'll be a depth player, grabbing a couple minutes here and there to rest starters and maybe getting in at the end of blowouts. If he's able to progress as a player (and more importantly, as an athlete), he could become a member of the rotation down the road.
If Manny Harris leaves early for the NBA and Michigan doesn't land someone in the 2010 class, such as Trey Zeigler, to replace him, the situation changes a bit. The Wolverines would have to shuffle the rotation a bit, and fill a starting spot at the 3 guard, making more playing time a possibility for Jordan.
For the future, Country Day is a basketball powerhouse, producing some guys you may have heard of: Chris Webber and Shane Battier, among others. The Wolverines have targeted 2011 big Amir Williams out of DCDS, and having a former Yellow Jacket on the roster should help the team recruit DCDS. Also, having Joe Dumars hang around the program can't hurt.
From the videos and the description of him as a 3 guard I would guess in the 6'6"-6'8" range. Is that accurate?
Rivals and Scout both say 6'4", but I have seen 6'5" listed elsewhere.
not very athletic + not a good defender + no shot that scares him = anthony wright.... but maybe he'll turn out to be an over achiever....
Generally speaking, not very athletic doesn't necessarily mean not a good defender. If one has the mentality and willpower to always move one's feet, get in the right position, find someone to box out, one can be a good defender.
I didn't think Joe D was all that athletic (or at least he didn't show it in the sense of blowing by people and exploding for a massive jam), but he was a very good defender.
with you, i was going off of what tim wrote... what will help him out on D is he drops about 10 to 15 pounds...if he turns out to be half the player his dad was then we have found that "diamond in the rough"....
This is great for the program. Beilein is really developing the walk-on program and the quality of talent at the end of the bench is going to be better than some of the starters in previous years under Amaker(see K'len morris and Jerret Smith).
Having the Dumars and Hardaway names associated with Michigan basketball is a major plus and shows trust in Beilein's ability to coach and develop players.
Tim - One critical note - Jordan's shot does not have a quick release. His HS film show an elongated motion and slow release. Sometimes he even takes the ball down to his hip before going into his shooting motion. Additionally, he has very little lift on his jumper. Those two things will combine to get that thing stuffed back in his face on a regular basis. The good thing is, Beilein is an excellent shooting coach (insert haha funny joke about this year's team here) and Jordan can get those flaws corrected with some hard work and lots of reps. He obviously has an excellent shooting eye and touch with that gaudy FT percentage! I would suspect his athleticism has more upside and can develop as well with some years in the S&C program. Overall - This is great for the program and this kid may be a solid bench depth contributer as a junior and senior as Lee and Merrit obviously showed it is possible!
Looks like he shoots FT's like Joe D. If he can keep the 96% FT%clip up and learn how to handle an inbound pass, he may be of value at ends of games more than during middle of.
I kept hoping to see words like "gritty", "hard-nosed", and "just a winner" for Jordan, but ah well. Not everybody can be Tyler Hansbrough.
But seriously, a nice pick-up. His shot does seem a bit slower than I would have expected, but he's also a preferred walk-on for a reason. He could definitely be valuable at the end of games (as noted by In Exile) if he shots FTs like his Dad, and he might prove to be a valuable contributor down the line as he gets a little bigger and stronger. Plus, I'm not sure the lack of athleticism will be as great of a hindrance at UM as it would at other schools. Beilein's system works well with good shooters even if they are not elite athletes, and while defensively he might be a bit of a liability now, he's also the son of one of the better defenders of the 90s. Hopefully some of that ability is in his genes and just needs a push.
He isn't ready for major college ball yet. He is too slow, both in his reaction times and his movement. Hopefully, a year or two of JBs's drills and playing on the scout team will help him become a contributor as a junior or senior.
As I have noted before, he is a classy kid with a classy, connected dad who will earn a degree from the University of Michigan; I'm happy for him. If he becomes a "late bloomer" and ends up playing like his dad, it would be a major bonus. Either way, welcome aboard.
Between PAs inquiring "Who wants some free PIIIIZZZZZZZAAAAA?", we will be hearing "DUUUUUUUUUUUUMARS with the 3".
I can't wait to hear the PA guy announce "JOOOOOOOO rdan DOOOOOOMARRRRRRS!"
Especially due to Amir Williams.
Joe D hanging around asking about his sons playing time, then Jordan starts faking injuries and screwing around at practice and before you know it Beilein will have him locked up in a closet and Michael Curry will be our new head coach.
Haha, awesome comment. +1
We should include height & weight in the Hello posts...
Welcome to Michigan, maybe his junior or senior year he could earn some playing time. I'll definitely be cheering for the kid.
Say what you will about the talent level helping us or not, but you have to imagine a kid of Joe Dumars is at least a good teammate to have on the squad. Good chemistry pick up at least.
He is a low risk, potential high reward proposition for coach B. Michigan doesn't burn a scholarship and can afford to have him as a project who works on the scout team while developing his game. If he works himself into the system and becomes a real player in two years, he may find himself in the rotation. He is a natural shooter which is needed in this system. If he can shoot at this level and improves his defense, then we have a winner.