Also, if OSU offers a kid from Ohio, there's a good chance they'll bite. I think they have to be a little more selective out their offers at first, and as top guys start dropping off the board they might reconsider offering some lower ranked guys. But if they had RR's offer cannon, their class would probably fill up in a heart beat.
Hello: Jibreel Black
Informative update coming later.
|4*, #15 DT||3*, #25 DE||3*, 78, #44 DE|
The gurus are all over the map with this kid, with Scout calling him a 4* tackle while Rivals and ESPN both think of him as a 3* d-end. At Michigan, he'll probably end up on the interior of the line, as the Wolverines need much more help on the inside than they do out. ESPN even points out in their evaluation:
He is a good example of why not to judge a book by its cover. On film, he has kind of a thick and squatty build with less-than-ideal height. He almost looks like a defensive tackle, but plays the end position well.
So, if he plays like a tackle, and most schools that he has committed to (Michigan is #3 behind Indiana and Cincinnati) have considered him a tackle, why not grade him as a tackle? Anyway, ESPN's judgment of his game:
There are more naturally athletic ends, but he can get it done. He is a good wrap-up tackler and plays with a good motor. As a pass-rusher, he can bring some heat off the edge. He works to attack that outside shoulder and use his weapons to knock the blockers hands down and turn the corner. He does not look like a dangerous edge rusher, but he can cause some problems.
Again, it seems as though they're "meh"-ish on him as a defensive end, but his upside as a tackle seems much higher. Scout's brief evaluation of him falls in line with that:
Black is a player who could line up as a defensive end or at the tackle position. He's got great burst and will give all out effort on each play. Does a good job going lateral and shows great strength and toughness. With good size and speed, Black is still learning techniques and moves that will take his game to another level. Special player who doesn't get the credit he deserves.
(Sidetrack: I never understood people whose job it is to rate players calling a particular player is underrated. If you think that, just raise his rating, no? That's on you, man). An athletic defensive tackle who is still a little raw, as Scout lists his only weakness as technique, but strengths of body control, explosion, and effort. From a local article when he committed to the Hoosiers, Black gives a short breakdown of his skills:
Black brings a combination of speed, strength, and technique to IU. “I’m a very physical player, and my footwork and handwork separates me. I use my hands a lot to get free, and that allows me to get to the running back and quarterback. And I’m pretty fast for being 295 lbs, 4.9 speed right there.”
He's probably overstating his footwork and hand technique, since those attributes are listed by others a the ones he needs the most work on. Also: 295 pounds is a huge difference from what the recruiting site list his weight, in the 260-pound range. Did the writer just make a typographical error of 259? That has to be the case.
As a guy who is considered. a tweener between defensive end and tackle, he probably won't develop into the big 1-tech space-eater that MIchigan is lacking in this class, but the 3-tech Ryan Van Bergen position may be a better option, with Richard Ash given time to grow into a 1-tech.
Black had previously been committed to both Indiana and Cincinnati, so he obviously held offers from them. Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia, Michigan State, Bowling Green, Purdue, Syracuse, South Florida, Kansas, Wake Forest, Minnesota, South Carolina, Illinois, Michigan offered him in March, so it's not like he was some fall-back plan: the Wolverines really liked this guy.
Following his junior season, he also picked up some interest from Alabama, as well as Tennessee back when they had the all-star recruiting staff. He also received interest (but no offer) from the in-state Buckeyes.
As a junior, Black racked up 76 tackles and 8 sacks, along with 3 forced fumbles and 2 recoveries, with one going all the way to the end zone. That was his first season playing defensive end, as he had previously been a tackle. His senior year, he had 10 sacks and 61 total tackles along with 2 forced fumbles, as Wyoming made it to the State Finals.
FAKE 40 TIME
His self-reported time is 4.9, though Rivals gives him credit for a 4.8-second 40-yard dash. I'll take his word for it, since he would be more likely to exaggerate how fast he is, and didn't do so. That gets a mere one FAKE out of five.
He has a highlight video up on Youtube, but Black's ScoutingOhio video is longer (and therefore better, of course):
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
Black is Michigan's third defensive tackle in the class of 2010 (more if you count someone like Jordan Paskorz as a future possibility), but all three seem to be 3-technique guys. Black is one of the smaller, at just 250ish pounds, right around the same size as Terry Talbott. Michigan currently has good talent starting, with limited depth behind.
The plan is probably to have all three guys redshirt, with Ash, the biggest of the three, aiming to bulk up enough to become a true nose tackle. Michigan's starters at DT are good, but there is limited depth, so these guys could get a little bit of playing time as redshirt freshmen, and move into key backup roles as sophomores.
Black seems to have some pretty high potential, and as a possible multi-position guy (he could play RVB's DE/DT spot or even Brandon Graham's DE position), he's tough to predict too specifically for the future.
[Editor's Note: I think maybe we might be thinking about this all wrong by attempting to file the DEs and DTs in different piles. RVB and Graham both played inside and out during their careers at Michigan and the sort of body types M is looking for at the three-tech and strongside defensive end are similar enough that I'm looking at the big glob of defensive linemen like so:
Quick: everyone apparently but Paskorz, Rogers, and possibly Ryan or Kinard most prominently.
SDE or DT: Ash, Talbott, Wilkins, Black
Once Michigan gets these guys in for a year or two they'll have a better idea of who fits in what spot and if any of them are NT material. They probably won't be and Michigan will bring in a couple different mounds of humanity next year.]
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
The final numbers are all very muddled. Black's spot could be the last one in the class, or there could be as many as two spots left depending on the academic status of a couple kids and if a couple players are willing to grayshirt.
Any remaining spots are probably being reserved for safeties (Sean Parker, Demar Dorsey, Rashad Knight) unless a surprise blue-chip falls into Michigan's lap.
It seems like if OSU offers, the kid from Ohio commits, but if Michigan offers, they wait to see what else happens and if the staff wins them over, commit to Michigan.
It's actually a handicap for OSU, because they may wait to see how a kid performs his senior year before offering, but a school like Michigan offers first and the kid gets pissed because OSU doesn't offer, so becomes a Michigan player.
Although I admit it's a little weird that of the top 10 in Ohio, 5 of them are commited to not-OSU, and that could be higher since 3 of the top 10 are still undecided.
that sounds an awful lot like the DANTONIO OWNS THE STATE OF MICHIGAN argument, which claim they (MSU) are outrecruiting us in-state based on the number of (state of) Michigan guys in their class. Please tell me we haven't fallen to that level yet.
Fact is, OSU has gotten the cream of the ohio crop. We got some (likely) good players, but I don't think anyone would say we have outrecruited them in Ohio.
I really like the commit, just imagine how good our defensive lineman are going to be once all these commits spend a good amount of time in the weightroom.
Rodriguez might deserve to be fired at season's end, but certainly not for lacking cajones to head south and recruit players from the Buckeye state.
Interesting little comparison from recent years: Rodriguez already has attracted more recruits (21) from Ohio than Lloyd Carr did in his last 6 years at Michigan.
2002: 2 recruits- W.Barringer, M.Bihl
2003: 2 recruits- S.Crable, P.Burgess
2004: 1 recruit- Mike Massey
2005: 4 recruits- B.Harrison, M.Manningham, M.Simpson, Z.Mesko
2006: 3 recruits- J.Boren, C.Mixon, B.Wright
2007: 0 recruits
2008: 7 recruits- K.Koger, E.Mealer, M.Shaw, T.Hill, B.Moore, P.Omameh, R.Roundtree
2009: 3 recruits - I.Bell, J.Turner, F. Toussaint,
2010: 11 recruits! - J.Black, J.Robinson, C.Pace, C.Avery, T. Talbott, Terry Talbott, A.Kinard, D.Rogers, R.Vinopal, J.Ryan, DJ Williamson
Not that it matters a great deal, but a handful of those 2008 recruits committed to Carr, not Rodriguez.
Also, one could argue that while Rodriguez has recruited more, Carr got a higher concentration of talent.
Yaaaay. Welcome, Mr. Black.
for Rich. Could get better if there are spots available. This was a pleasant surprise.
Black is a great and much needed addition to this class. Now, if he can just get Parker