Hello: Jibreel Black Comment Count

Tim

MGoBlog's own Tom Van Haaren reported that things looked good with OH DE/DT Jibreel Black on his official visit, and now GBW is reporting that Black has given his word to the Wolverines.

Informative update coming later.

INFORMATIVE UPDATE

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GURU RATINGS

Scout Rivals ESPN
4*, #15 DT 3*, #25 DE 3*, 78, #44 DE

The gurus are all over the map with this kid, with Scout calling him a 4* tackle while Rivals and ESPN both think of him as a 3* d-end. At Michigan, he'll probably end up on the interior of the line, as the Wolverines need much more help on the inside than they do out. ESPN even points out in their evaluation:

He is a good example of why not to judge a book by its cover. On film, he has kind of a thick and squatty build with less-than-ideal height. He almost looks like a defensive tackle, but plays the end position well.

So, if he plays like a tackle, and most schools that he has committed to (Michigan is #3 behind Indiana and Cincinnati) have considered him a tackle, why not grade him as a tackle? Anyway, ESPN's judgment of his game:

There are more naturally athletic ends, but he can get it done. He is a good wrap-up tackler and plays with a good motor. As a pass-rusher, he can bring some heat off the edge. He works to attack that outside shoulder and use his weapons to knock the blockers hands down and turn the corner. He does not look like a dangerous edge rusher, but he can cause some problems.

Again, it seems as though they're "meh"-ish on him as a defensive end, but his upside as a tackle seems much higher. Scout's brief evaluation of him falls in line with that:

Black is a player who could line up as a defensive end or at the tackle position. He's got great burst and will give all out effort on each play. Does a good job going lateral and shows great strength and toughness. With good size and speed, Black is still learning techniques and moves that will take his game to another level. Special player who doesn't get the credit he deserves.

(Sidetrack: I never understood people whose job it is to rate players calling a particular player is underrated. If you think that, just raise his rating, no? That's on you, man). An athletic defensive tackle who is still a little raw, as Scout lists his only weakness as technique, but strengths of body control, explosion, and effort. From a local article when he committed to the Hoosiers, Black gives a short breakdown of his skills:

Black brings a combination of speed, strength, and technique to IU. “I’m a very physical player, and my footwork and handwork separates me. I use my hands a lot to get free, and that allows me to get to the running back and quarterback. And I’m pretty fast for being 295 lbs, 4.9 speed right there.”

He's probably overstating his footwork and hand technique, since those attributes are listed by others a the ones he needs the most work on. Also: 295 pounds is a huge difference from what the recruiting site list his weight, in the 260-pound range. Did the writer just make a typographical error of 259? That has to be the case.

As a guy who is considered. a tweener between defensive end and tackle, he probably won't develop into the big 1-tech space-eater that MIchigan is lacking in this class, but the 3-tech Ryan Van Bergen position may be a better option, with Richard Ash given time to grow into a 1-tech.

OFFERS

Black had previously been committed to both Indiana and Cincinnati, so he obviously held offers from them. Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia, Michigan State, Bowling Green, Purdue, Syracuse, South Florida, Kansas, Wake Forest, Minnesota, South Carolina, Illinois, Michigan offered him in March, so it's not like he was some fall-back plan: the Wolverines really liked this guy.

Following his junior season, he also picked up some interest from Alabama, as well as Tennessee back when they had the all-star recruiting staff. He also received interest (but no offer) from the in-state Buckeyes.

STATS

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As a junior, Black racked up 76 tackles and 8 sacks, along with 3 forced fumbles and 2 recoveries, with one going all the way to the end zone. That was his first season playing defensive end, as he had previously been a tackle. His senior year, he had 10 sacks and 61 total tackles along with 2 forced fumbles, as Wyoming made it to the State Finals.

He was named All-Ohio Defensive Player of the Year, sharing the honor with MSU commit Travis Jackson. That, of course, also means he was named 1st-Team All-State.

FAKE 40 TIME

His self-reported time is 4.9, though Rivals gives him credit for a 4.8-second 40-yard dash. I'll take his word for it, since he would be more likely to exaggerate how fast he is, and didn't do so. That gets a mere one FAKE out of five.

VIDEO

He has a highlight video up on Youtube, but Black's ScoutingOhio video is longer (and therefore better, of course):

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

Black is Michigan's third defensive tackle in the class of 2010 (more if you count someone like Jordan Paskorz as a future possibility), but all three seem to be 3-technique guys. Black is one of the smaller, at just 250ish pounds, right around the same size as Terry Talbott. Michigan currently has good talent starting, with limited depth behind.

The plan is probably to have all three guys redshirt, with Ash, the biggest of the three, aiming to bulk up enough to become a true nose tackle. Michigan's starters at DT are good, but there is limited depth, so these guys could get a little bit of playing time as redshirt freshmen, and move into key backup roles as sophomores.

Black seems to have some pretty high potential, and as a possible multi-position guy (he could play RVB's DE/DT spot or even Brandon Graham's DE position), he's tough to predict too specifically for the future.

[Editor's Note: I think maybe we might be thinking about this all wrong by attempting to file the DEs and DTs in different piles. RVB and Graham both played inside and out during their careers at Michigan and the sort of body types M is looking for at the three-tech and strongside defensive end are similar enough that I'm looking at the big glob of defensive linemen like so:

NT: none
Quick: everyone apparently but Paskorz, Rogers, and possibly Ryan or Kinard most prominently.
SDE or DT: Ash, Talbott, Wilkins, Black

Once Michigan gets these guys in for a year or two they'll have a better idea of who fits in what spot and if any of them are NT material. They probably won't be and Michigan will bring in a couple different mounds of humanity next year.]

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

The final numbers are all very muddled.  Black's spot could be the last one in the class, or there could be as many as two spots left depending on the academic status of a couple kids and if a couple players are willing to grayshirt.

Any remaining spots are probably being reserved for safeties (Sean Parker, Demar Dorsey, Rashad Knight) unless a surprise blue-chip falls into Michigan's lap.

Comments

wiscwood

January 24th, 2010 at 9:11 PM ^

I have got a feeling about this kid. He will be a terror for Michigan. He doesn't run past the play, he hunts down the ball carrier. He looks like a Mark Messner, who was in the backfield all the time. I'm excited about his commitment.

Franke8

January 24th, 2010 at 10:49 PM ^

Welcome aboard Black. I'm pumped that we're out recruiting OSU in their own state, currently 11 to Michigan and 7 osu. Sure they will argue they didn't offer half the guys but it still makes them look bad when the hated rival comes in and grabs a few of the better players in their own state and has the higher total. That deserves a big GO BLUE!!!

WolvinLA2

January 24th, 2010 at 11:10 PM ^

Not to burst your bubble Franke, and I'm glad we're recruiting Ohio so much as well, but I don't think OSU offered any of the commits we have, and we offered a number of the commits they have. I'm all for being happy we're getting so many Ohio kids, but saying we are "out recruiting OSU" is not true at all.

Franke8

January 24th, 2010 at 11:42 PM ^

But we have to consider if a few recruits would have been offered by OSU if they had not committed so early to Michigan. Also, I would still argue that we are out recruiting them in their own state, they have only 5 in the Ohio top 50 where Michigan has 10 in the top 50...... yes they have the interest of the top recruits in Ohio that are uncommitted but for now I'd argue we have done better in their own state, technically I would argue we've done better overall. Considering Ohio is one of the top producers of football players I'd say we've done well. Regardless, it says a lot about the coaching staff to get that many kids from a rival state.

Magnus

January 25th, 2010 at 12:01 AM ^

OSU would offer any kid from Ohio they wanted. They're not sitting in the film room thinking, "Damn, I wish we could offer this D.J. Williamson kid, but he's already committed to Michigan! I guess we better keep our hands off him." They've shown before that they will offer guys who are already committed elsewhere.

WolvinLA2

January 25th, 2010 at 12:08 AM ^

It's convenient you used top 50, since we have #45, 46, 47, and 48. OSU has more in the top 10 (we have 0), and more in the top 20 than we have. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of this class, and I love that we're picking up so many guys from Ohio. But the stats that you're picking are a little misleading.

mstier

January 25th, 2010 at 12:09 AM ^

Also, if OSU offers a kid from Ohio, there's a good chance they'll bite. I think they have to be a little more selective out their offers at first, and as top guys start dropping off the board they might reconsider offering some lower ranked guys. But if they had RR's offer cannon, their class would probably fill up in a heart beat.

jblaze

January 25th, 2010 at 8:01 AM ^

It seems like if OSU offers, the kid from Ohio commits, but if Michigan offers, they wait to see what else happens and if the staff wins them over, commit to Michigan. It's actually a handicap for OSU, because they may wait to see how a kid performs his senior year before offering, but a school like Michigan offers first and the kid gets pissed because OSU doesn't offer, so becomes a Michigan player.

GRBluefan

January 25th, 2010 at 9:37 AM ^

that sounds an awful lot like the DANTONIO OWNS THE STATE OF MICHIGAN argument, which claim they (MSU) are outrecruiting us in-state based on the number of (state of) Michigan guys in their class. Please tell me we haven't fallen to that level yet. Fact is, OSU has gotten the cream of the ohio crop. We got some (likely) good players, but I don't think anyone would say we have outrecruited them in Ohio.

markusr2007

January 24th, 2010 at 10:57 PM ^

Rodriguez might deserve to be fired at season's end, but certainly not for lacking cajones to head south and recruit players from the Buckeye state. Interesting little comparison from recent years: Rodriguez already has attracted more recruits (21) from Ohio than Lloyd Carr did in his last 6 years at Michigan. 2002: 2 recruits- W.Barringer, M.Bihl 2003: 2 recruits- S.Crable, P.Burgess 2004: 1 recruit- Mike Massey 2005: 4 recruits- B.Harrison, M.Manningham, M.Simpson, Z.Mesko 2006: 3 recruits- J.Boren, C.Mixon, B.Wright 2007: 0 recruits 2008: 7 recruits- K.Koger, E.Mealer, M.Shaw, T.Hill, B.Moore, P.Omameh, R.Roundtree 2009: 3 recruits - I.Bell, J.Turner, F. Toussaint, 2010: 11 recruits! - J.Black, J.Robinson, C.Pace, C.Avery, T. Talbott, Terry Talbott, A.Kinard, D.Rogers, R.Vinopal, J.Ryan, DJ Williamson

wishitwas97

January 25th, 2010 at 2:59 PM ^

Not sure which spot but it may be at BG's spot. Coaches are really high on Jibreel as evidenced by the early offer in his late junior year. Coaches have been trying to get him to visit for the longest time and Jibreel finally visited last week. It basically sealed the deal for them.

spam and beans

January 25th, 2010 at 3:38 PM ^

Normally the title that informs of a recruits verbal commitment "Hello ________" does just fine. But in this case some additional cleverness is called for in my oppinion. (I say this fully realizing that Tim, Brian, and the gang do an amazing job with this blog) Perhaps something like "Black is Blue!" Better still, find another D Lineman whose name is "Blue". Then you could have the "Black and Blue Boys" Oh the marketing possibilities...I hate the offseason

GRBluefan

January 25th, 2010 at 4:52 PM ^

Headline followed by event leading up to headline "Round(tree) peg in a square hole"...reserved for when Roy Roundtree decides to transfer. "Say it (tous)aint So"!...for when angry michigan RB hating god severs fitz's ACL during spring practice. "Say hello to my little Friend"...for when UConn OT Kevin Friend (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Kevin-Friend-92…) decides to transfer to Michigan.

Comeback82

January 25th, 2010 at 11:24 PM ^

"Black brings a combination of speed, strength, and technique to IU. “I’m a very physical player, and my footwork and handwork separates me. I use my hands a lot to get free, and that allows me to get to the running back and quarterback. And I’m pretty fast for being 295 lbs, 4.9 speed right there.” He's probably overstating his footwork and hand technique, since those attributes are listed by others a the ones he needs the most work on. Also: 295 pounds is a huge difference from what the recruiting site list his weight, in the 260-pound range. Did the writer just make a typographical error of 259? That has to be the case. THIS IS TALKING ABOUT JIBREEL'S BROTHER, LARRY BLACK. http://iuplanet.com/forum/indiana-hoosiers-sports-talk/18036-big-d-line…