Not a huge surprise, but welcome news nonetheless.
there would have to be some to wash away
Commitment Vine (that's a first) via Scout's Josh Newkirk
After talking matters over with his (Maize-and-Blue-blooded) family, Warren (MI) De La Salle linebacker Jared Wangler announced on Twitter that he's chosen to switch his commitment from Penn State to Michigan today after unexpectedly receiving a Wolverine offer last week. Wangler, the son of former Michigan quarterback John and brother of 2013 preferred walk-on receiver Jack, becomes the fourth linebacker in the 2014 class and the 15th commitment overall.
|3*, #53 OLB||2*, NR OLB||3*, 77, #63 OLB||3*, 88, #38 S||
3*, #69 S,
Wangler has a pretty bizarre recruiting profile in that, despite the middling rankings above, he earned offers from Penn State (Linebacker U, remember), LSU, and Michigan, not to mention an invite to the Under Armour All-American Game. This may have to do with his status as a tweener — he's transitioning from safety to outside linebacker, and at 6'1", ~215 lbs. (the general consensus of his size from the four services) might be a little undersized as a linebacker.
As for what linebacker position Wangler will play, that's yet to be determined; he told Steve Lorenz that Michigan is looking at him at two different spots after his visit yesterday ($):
"Coach Hoke, Coach Manning, Coach Mattison and Coach Mallory all were talking with us," he said. Wangler's dad made the trip as well. "They like me at both SAM and WILL linebacker and showed me the depth chart at linebacker for the future. It was something I had questions on going into the visit and I didn't realize that the opportunity for playing time at Michigan may be there for me earlier than I thought. We went over my film (a lot of it from his 7v7 work this off-season) and they talked about how they would like to use me and that they like my versatility. It answered a lot of the questions I had."
Given his skill set, I think Wangler makes more sense at WILL, but where he ends up may be determined by how Michigan's linebackers develop in the classes ahead of him.
As a safety-turned-linebacker, Wangler is pretty athletic for his position and well ahead of the game when it comes to his coverage skills; he's also a very willing and impactful hitter, which is good to see considering the concerns about his size. Scout's Allen Trieu lists those three areas as Wangler's positives on his free profile, with block shedding as the only negative, and provides this take on his game:
Former safety who has transitioned his athletic tools into the linebacker position. Is able to play over the slot and does a nice job in coverage, both in man to man and dropping into zones. Has good closing speed to the football and is a good striker who explodes into his tackles. Having just transitioned into playing in the box, he simply has to continue to get stronger and work on getting off blocks. Likely a WILL in college. - Allen Trieu
ESPN is a little more bullish on Wangler's ability to shed blocks, though with the (relatively safe) assumption that he'll continue to add strength:
Reacts quickly to the run and pass demonstrating the agility and balance needed to move through traffic and play downhill to the football. Fashes [sic] the ability to shiver, shed and keep his feet free when working in traffic. Added bulk with improved playing strength will accelerate his take-on and shed skill. Displays the foot quickness needed to avoid blockers and make plays in tight spaces.
The WWL is also very high on Wangler's pass coverage and tackling ability, citing his "relentless desire to chase down the football" as a means to get on the field as a special teams demon. With a redshirt year to add bulk, ESPN thinks he's got the frame and athleticism to be a productive outside linebacker. It's a very positive scouting report overall, and it should come as little surprise that ESPN televises the Under Armour game — though it is surprising, given all of the above, that Wangler isn't rated higher on ESPN. Fire and forget, I guess.
Penn State's 247 outlet had SpartanTailgate's Sean Scherer provide his scouting report on Wangler after his initial commitment, and once again his coverage skills come in for high praise ($):
"Wangler is a very versatile linebacker that will be effective in both the passing game and running game. I expect him to play outside backer, which will allow him to cover tight end, running back, fullback or even a slot receiver but also be effective in stopping the run. Wangler already does an excellent job of keeping his opponent in front of him and uses outside shoulder to help contain his target. By always chopping his feet, he's in constant motion, which allows him to create great angles and make a play."
Wangler participated in various camps and 7-on-7 tournaments over the last couple summers, and while he usually gets just a passing mention, the same couple positives keep popping up. Here's Trieu again after this year's Columbus NFTC ($):
Penn State commit Jared Wangler is another who may not be quite as big as some of the aforementioned guys, but is a smart kid, who, as a former safety, can run well.
247's JC Shurburtt, at the same event:
Penn State commit Jared Wangler (Warren, Mich./De La Salle) continues to add bulk and plays well in space. He also displays a high football IQ.
247's Steve Wiltfong from the Adidas Showcase at Grand Valley State:
Warren (Mich.) De La Salle linebacker Jared Wangler was one of the more fluid and athletic linebackers on site.
Wiltfong again from this year's Sound Mind Sound Body camp:
Penn State linebacker commit Jared Wangler showed good speed and strong cover ability against the running backs in 1-on-1s.
I think it's safe to say Wangler is athletic for a linebacker and solid in coverage. When asked to do a self-evaluation in the wake of his Penn State commitment, Wangler's report echoed those of the experts, along with a promising tidbit about his work ethic ($):
"The position I'm going to play is a lot like Mike Hull, number 43. They like my versatility, that's big for them. Right now, I weigh about 218 and have ran a 4.6 forty, so they think I have quick feet and play well in space. They also like my hands, They see me as someone that will most likely cover tight ends, maybe slot receivers. They also think I can grow into the type of player that can be physical enough to play in the box and make a tackle. Versatility is big, they feel like they can mold me into whatever they need, I just have to do my part and learn from the coaching, which I will. I know I won't have any problems with weight lifting. I love that and Coach Fitzgerald is the man. He'll have us all in shape."
Later in that article, Wangler mentions block shedding as the area he most wants to improve; he also says he currently maxes out at 325 pounds on the bench, with the hopes of getting that up to 350 before this season, so he's not joking when he says he loves the weight room.
Wangler's marquee offers came from LSU, Michigan, and Penn State; he also held offers from Bowling Green, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Eastern Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio, Toledo, Western Michigan, and Yale. That last offer is a pretty solid indication that Wangler won't have any academic issues.
Warren De La Salle, as you probably well know, is the school that produced current freshman quarterback Shane Morris, as well as walk-on receiver Jack Wangler. They play in the Catholic League, so Wangler faces some of the strongest competition that one can find in Michigan.
Per 247, Wangler recorded 76 tackles, 15 TFLs, 2.5 sacks, and an interception (which he returned for a touchdown) as a junior.
FAKE 40 TIME
None of the recruiting sites list a 40 time, so all we have to go on is Wangler's self-reported 4.6 from the interview with PSU's Rivals outlet. That's really impressive for a linebacker, so despite Wangler's excellent athleticism, without any confirmation I'm giving that a solid three FAKEs out of five.
Junior highlights ahoy:
Wangler also posted some 7-on-7 highlights from this summer that feature a some very impressive catches on both sides of the ball:
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
Given Wangler's coverage ability, athleticism, and size (a little short for the strong side), I expect he'll end up at WILL when he gets to Michigan; that means Michigan has all their linebacker spots covered in this class with Michael Ferns at MIKE, Chase Winovich at SLB, and Noah Furbush potentially able to plug in at any of the three.
When Wangler gets to campus, James Ross and Royce Jenkins-Stone will both be juniors; the only other player on the roster currently projected to WILL is Ben Gedeon, who'll be either a redshirt freshman or true sophomore (likely the former) in 2014. Assuming Wangler takes a redshirt year, he'll compete for Ross's open spot as a redshirt freshman and go from there. If he ends up at SLB, he'll be working for a spot on the two-deep along with Mike McCray and Winovich; that seems like the tougher path for him to get on the field.
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
Michigan is very much done at linebacker now, which means CA four-star Dwight Williams is now out of the picture. The focus for the rest of the class will turn to reeling in the big fish: VA DE Da'Shawn Hand, MI DT Malik McDowell, and PA S Montae Nicholson are the most likely guys to end up in Ann Arbor.
Yes, I've left IL CB/S Parrker Westphal out of that for now, and you may have noticed that my Crystal Ball prediction for him has changed to Northwestern; that's not going on anything concrete (I was torn between predicting Northwestern and Vanderbilt), but it's looking more and more like Michigan may not have room in the class for Westphal, since they're done at corner and seem to like Nicholson more as a safety prospect.
Michigan will also continue to recruit CA ATH JuJu Smith and Glenville teammates ATH Marshon Lattimore and S Erick Smith; at the moment, those guys appear to be longshots, though it'll be interesting to see what happens with Erick Smith if Ohio State is indeed full at safety for the 2014 class.
Not a huge surprise, but welcome news nonetheless.
A Vine video with a mini-statue of Bo Schembechler, no less...
At least 3 - 4 minutes for you to get that up. What were you doing? Sleeping?
I like how MSU isn't a marquee offer.
and I tend to agree. And I'm going to disagree with Ace on this. I think Wangler's size screams WILL, but his skill set look completely like a SAM to me. I think that's a bigger thing to worry about down the road, is does he have a true fit at the LB position, because he certainly isn't a safety.
I've said it elsewhere, but will say it again here, I have no problems with this pick up. I think the timing is a bit rushed, but in that case the coaches know better, as they may have not had the opportunity if they offered later.
What I personally believe is that Wangler will end up at SAM. He isn't instinctual enough and doesn't slice through the line well enough to develop into a true WILL IMO. But he's decent at getting off the edge and into the backfield that way, as he grows may be able to actually set the edge well, and can do a pretty good job of cutting backs and cutting backs off trying to get outside the OTs. At the SAM he also has the ability to still zone drop or flex out and cover the slot in certain situations, which utilizes his coverage abilities. He has pretty good hips and can change direction well, something that is important at SAM, but he isn't a strafing LB and doesn't have the first step through traffic you look for in a WILL, nor the suddenness to blow someone up in the hole.
I think at worst, his size will make him a very good special teams player. Down the road, if some of the higher ceiling guys don't reach their ceiling, I think Wangler himself has a high enough ceiling to be a Michigan starter quality of player.
But, as can be noted, his ceiling isn't as high as some of the other guys, and he has a lot of work to do as far as gaining weight and learning the position before he actually sees more defensive snaps. At the end of the day though, I think if your worst case here is a solid special teams pick up with a chance to start if things work out, isn't necessarily a bad option or a bad pick up. It may be less exciting, and it may not jive with the fantasy of some of the other possibilities, but it isn't a "OMG what are you doing!?" or even a "I don't like it, but whatever" type of pick-up. I think it's better described as "Well, OK, that's fine."
In other defenses Wangler probaby projects better to WILL, where he will be the one more often flexing out over the slot and playing in space. In Michigan's defense, the 4-3 under, the WILL is essentially an Inside LB, so he wouldn't be in space but in the box. SAM in Michigan's system allows him to play more in space and allows him to utilize his technique more to his advantage, more so anyway than WILL would, where instincts and natural ability are probably more important.
Just to clarify, are you suggesting a SAM that plays less like Jake Ryan (ie a rush LB) and one used more in pass drops into the hook/slant zones or running downfield with a TE?
So you're telling me he's like Jordan Kovacs, but a LB??
Ryan was actually used (probably more than he should have been) as a guy covering the slots quite often last year. If the offensive formation dictates that, Wangler is capable of splitting out and doing those sorts of things, making those sorts of checks if indeed the defense needs to check out of a play. At the same time, as long as Wangler can get stronger, he can and will be used very similarly with how Ryan is used. He'll still need to rush the QB, he'll still need to set the edge. Picture the difference between Cam Gordon and Jake Ryan, Ryan is much closer to a DE type and Gordon is much closer to a safety type, but both can play SAM and do a lot of the same things, but Wangler will end up more like Gordon (though he isn't the athlete Gordon is, he might be more capable of other things).
Without Jake Ryan holding the strong-side edge, would it make sense for Michigan to play more even fronts early this year to take some of the pressure off of Beyer/Gordon/Gant/McCray/whomever?
Those guys were recruited or have switched to SAM for a reason. Moving them back to the second level would likely be more difficult for them, as those guys don't tend to have the instincts from your traditional LB depth. While technique is important at SAM, you can get up to game speed probably a little easier at that position than other positions as long as you have some size and can learn proper shoulder and anchor technique. I'd actually venture to say the opposite (minus maybe for a guy like Gant, who doesn't have the mass yet to probably be effective at SAM over your traditional OLB type), I think most of those guys will be better fitted for your traditional under front responsibilities of that position, at least until they get up to speed.
EDIT: Remember that SAM is usually setting the edge against a TE and doesn't necessarily require great technique or experience to see things develop in front of them. This allows SAM to be a position that can have more success early, as it's more hold edge and then play football, where as some of the ILB position, or LB position from traditional LB depth, require the instincts and quick understanding of play developement to perform at a high level, and after that it requires good technique to get to the ball and do what you need. Both are made better with experience and superior technique, but playing on the LOS over a TE at the SAM position is probably an easier position play early than other depths/LB positions.
Agree with you. Thing which stuck out to me other than his coverage skills was his edge containment which was very good. Could play will as well, but think he's a more natural sam assuming he can get bigger and stronger.
Go Bluh? Go Blech?
He just committed to Michigan and joined the family. He made a tough decision and broke a commitment to PSU. How about welcoming him?
Here, I'll do it for both us:
Welcome to the family, Jared. We're glad to have another Wangler wearing the winged helmet.
Easy there chief.
i know he's an LB, but his profile screams kovacs 2.0. we should be so lucky.
he certainly has safety size at the moment and that is where he played in the past. He will need to grow a TON to become a starting SAM at UM. Not impossible, but not very probable IMO. But every team needs players that provide depth and bleed maize and blue so its not the worst pickup in the world and maybe we get lucky and he has a Kovacksian knack for being in the right place and making tackles, albeit as an LB.
how about Frank Clark? Wangler wouldn't need to grow nearly as much as he did.
Frank Clark was 6'3", 205 according to Scout. Heitzman was 222 and Beyer 218. Assuming that our players won't be able to put on necessary weight is rarely correct.
At 218 as a HS senior-to-be, I wouldn't say be has safety size. He's only 2 pounds short of James Ross.
I'm more concerned about his height and reach than his actual weight.
Kovacs was a walk-on.
Kovacs has always had athleticism and coverage issues, and those appear to be strengths in Wangler's case. A bigger Kovacs who can cover would be a real treat.
...a whole post, and no mention of the first safety-to-linebacker conversion i thought of, which is brian urlacher.
that may be overoptimistic. </smirk>
however...stevie brown would be a-ok, too.
Steve Brown was a safety/corner 'tweener coming out of high school. They're not even close to being the same type of player, nor is Wangler the caliber of athlete that Urlacher was.
a poorly written one.
Standard procedure is to put the first letter of a person's first name on the back of their jersey if they share the same last name as another player. What do the coaches do with two J. Wangler's?
Didn't Matt and Mark Elliot (IIRC) have their full names on the jersey in like the early 90's?
Those were my favorite unintentionally funny jerseys of all time. I prefer what UConn did when it had two sisters with the same first initial. They went first initial, second initial, last name. Simpler.
be the first two letters of their first name then.
Seriously, I imagine they'll have their full name on there, which has been done before.
They just keep using letters in the first name until they get to a place that differentiates the two. Jack will likely be Jac. Wangler and Jared will be Jar. Wangler.
Unless they will both be on the field at the same time, I don't see the issue... I thought we had this not too long ago where a player on defense had the same name as a player on offense and since they weren't on the field at the same time, they still just had "NAME" and number with no first initial/portion of their name?
Call me crazy- but just do "WANGLER" since they MOST LIKELY will never see the field at the same time.
I don't believe there were ever first initials used to differentiate Marvin, Denard and Jerald
Maybe they'll put adjectives on the back of their jerseys.
The Spectacular Wangler?
The Incredible Wangler?
The Mighty Wangler?
The Uncanny Wangler?
The Invincible Wangler?
Just put CM Wangs on both jerseys.
If Hoke is a TRUE MICHIGAN MAN he will find a way to have a trick double pass play with both brothers and Carter. I want "Wangler to Wangler to Carter" to happen.
We had one, but Tamani left the program. He was Hoke's first recruit, so Brady must have sensed the Wanglers eventually committing and put the plan it action. Rats! What could have been...
I have seen two letters used before. I imagine his brother might have J. Wangler and he will have Ja. Wangler.
Just wait until it is Dr Harris and Da Harris hitting the field together.
Dr Harris...sounds professional.
somewhere Braylon Edwards sheds a teear for his bro...
I've wondered if there were factors at play other than pure talent and the depth chart.