Several commits from NJ and MD in this class. I'd be interested in hearing from all these prospects how the B1G taking MD and RU affected their decisions.
Hello: Freddy Canteen and Brandon Watson
Congratulations to these two young men. Welcome to Michigan!
Welcome to the real (non-virtual) world!
No excuses Ace, write like a champion
Great line. But that has been proven false. Anyways good to have these young men on board.
It's apocryphal. But it's fun.
I just dont get it for now. I take it this means were giving up on westphal as well? It's june and hoke is letting up on blue chips already. I can understand if in the Winter hoke wants to fill the class like this but when Jackson, Smith, Westphal, and even Scott and Williams have you, i dont know. I trust hoke I just wish he would rally the sleeper of the year guys at the end.
- Jackson is a pipe dream, he is NOT coming to UM.
- Westphal is this year's version of Jordan Diamond or LaQuon Treadwell: loves UM early, never commits, ends up elsewhere.
- Scott is committing to Clemson next week.
- Williams is basically the same type of WR that UM already has in abundance.
I know. But with 7 months until NSD why not at least dream for a little longer with some of those guys. And williams would be the most highly regarded of the "wr in abundance" that we have on campus. Darboh and then a bunch of question marks. Sorry I just hate when I feel like Hoke rushes into a commitment instead of waiting out the storm with a chance at an elite level talent. As if Hoke is above the recruiting process and players either are in or not and can't take their time unless they're derrick green.
but if they really weren't good, the coaches could have just offered later and pulled them away from Rutgers if they had to, while we waited to see who we could get. These guys have just recently hit the camp circuit, and their offers have been blowing up because of that, and they are winning competitions against more highly rated players, leading one to believe they are probably actually pretty good, just not well scouted.
They play for a "virtual" school and only played 3 games last year. So your point about them not being well scouted could not be more on the money.
I just told my wife we're separating. I have to keep myself available in case Khalissi shows some interest in me. Wish me luck.
The likely reason these kids aren't blue chips and were only recently offered is because their school is less than 2 years old, there are maybe 50 students, they have neither a building, or a home stadium,and they only played 3 games this season. Now that they're hitting the camp circuit their ability is seperating them from the rest of the pack.
until they actually perform on the field. You don't seem to understand that stars are educated guesses, not definitive assessments. If they were Hart, Edwards, and Ryan would never have been great players.
It's to put together a football team.
Can you name any case in the last couple of years where we had to turn someone away on signing day because of a lack of scholarships? Every year someone has this childish freak out that they want "ALL THE TOYS" when in reality most of them aren't going to pick Michigan, and the numbers work out by February. They're not in the business of offering guys they don't think can help them. And in the case of guys like Scott, they obviously have a better idea how likely they are to come than you do. (Though anyone following it on this site alone seems to have a better idea). A guy you believe in is better to fill a slot than a guy you're grasping for on signing day when the half dozen 5*'s you're expecting to get all choose to go someplace else and you have to offer someone then.
And didn't do it because we were out of scholarships but because we had recruited enough at his position. And he was hardly a five star. If he had been we probably would have still taken him as "best available."
when they camped at Michigan, I'm all right with it. These guys haven't camped much, so the lack of stars does not mean much, and I bet Hoke would have offered them later if he was desperate for receivers. Therefore, I trust that the coaches saw something in them that more than sufficiently met the team's needs. Now, they can turn their focus to landing Hand and, I'm hoping, Montae Nicholson, among others.
Well when you're limited on scholarships and you're in on 6-8 of the top 100 players (although many are unlikely to come) you don't just hand out two scholarships to unknowns. I can see Freddy Canteen but Watson has been just as exposed as Canteen and has little hype regarding him. And I don't buy the excuse that they havn't camped that much. They went to a school where you literally just study Football. So no concrete evidence but there's likely no way Hand, Mcdowell, Westphal, Nicholson, an OL, a LB, and one of those 4 california guys end up together in this class. I'm just saying this limited them with 7 months to go til NSD
I guess you know better than the coaches then.
These posts blow my mind.
Sorry I had an opinion. Didn't mean to blow your mind on a blog (sips koolaid and gets back to agreeing with everything WolvinLA2 thinks).
I'm always a little blown away by these posts, too, only because people with so little information are so confident in their views. Our coaches know 1,000,000x more than us about (1) how good these recruits look as prospects, (2) how good the other guys look as prospects, (3) how well everyone fits on the roster, (4) how likely different guys are to commit, (5) what the team needs most (and how the rest of the roster looks going forward), (6) how best to allocate time between game prep and recruiting during a season, ... and on and on. I'm all for being disappointed when we swing and miss on some guys and then clearly have to settle for lesser prospects, but there's very little evidence of that here. Our coaches saw these guys up close and offered knowing that others were available. Mattison apparently loves Watson, and Canteen is impressing every coaching staff that sees him in a camp setting.
These posts also ignore that sometimes when you hold out for pipe dreams, your plan B and C go elsewhere.
You didn't word your post as an opinion, you worded it as if you felt the coaches fucked this one up. Unless that's your opinion, in which case that's a long line to draw from the info we have.
Did you seriously expect that all of those guys were going to end up in our class? If you did, that's your initial problem right there.
You must have been perpetually disappointed on Christmas.
It's June and the staff is taking kids they evaluated in person - not giving up on anything. Trust the staff.
A week ago canteen was quoted to be the best route runner in the country. Oh and he is also 6'3". Kid hasn't camped yet so he is "only" a 4 star.
Ok but we have Jackson, Dukes, York, Chesson, Canteen, and Ways now that all meet the 3/4 star tweener who is tall but slightly regarded. Michigan recruiting at WR has been way down the last few years and Drake Harris is not going to change my mind until someone wears the No. 1 again.
Drake Harris won't change your mind but some other player we don't have committed will? #logic
If I remember correctly Braylon Edwards wasn't a high 4 or 5 star. A lot of Michigan's best receivers were under the radar and not highly recruited. If the coaches thought they were worthy of a Michigan offer then they must be pretty good. Especially an offer this early
Don't worry. the next time Scout, Rivals, etc. update their rankings we will find out they are 4 star prospects and were really blue chip type players all along.
Yep, you nailed it—Brady Hoke is folding his tent and meekly accepting scraps from the recruiting table now. What a loser at recruiting he is... just can't close the deal on highly-rated prospects. We might be doomed.
I don't think we're missing out on a great deal if Westphal goes elsewhere. I know he's highly rated in some places, but personally, I think he's overrated.
A big WR and an aggressive CB.
Here is a link to a Washington Post article from last year about Eastern Christian Academy if anyone is interested.
First off, admissions doesn't really clear anyone on a football scholarship to get into UM. If you meet the minimum NCAA clearinghouse standards, you get in. The only exception to this in recent decades is Adrian Witty, who was trying to get in a semester late after initially failing to qualify.
As for ECA, USC just brought in two guys from there and there were a number of concerns about getting them eligible, but both ended up enrolling without a problem. Now that the NCAA has given the place the once-over, there shouldn't be any problem getting ECA kids on campus.
The only kids who can't get in here are ones that can't get in anywhere else either (SEE Demar Dorsey, for example). The idea that there are higher admissions standards for UM football players compared to other schools is a myth perpetuated by fans who want to pat themselves on the back and badmouth schools with supposedly shitty academics. Now that partial qualifiers and Prop 48 guys are pretty much a thing of the past, we have the same admissions policy as any program in the country. We have the luxury of not taking as many guys who are in danger of not qualifying (in the same way, say Stanford does), but anybody who qualifies with the NCAA gets in.
The only school I know of that is at all restrictive is Notre Dame, and that has nothing to do with admissions, but the fact that all the students have to take calculus, something a lot of student athletes (and people like me who coasted through Statistics in A2) aren't necessarily prepared to do.
UM also has some math concerns because we don't have remedial programs and our lowest level math is higher than that offered by some other colleges. Undergrad Admissions DOES keep an eye on that stuff and it has been an issue, particularly with homeschooled athletes (who are increasing in number for sports like tennis where you don't need a school affiliation to compete).
Hoke could be trying to develop a reputation of closing his recruiting class early, which would put pressure on interested parties to commit earlier than later. Plus it makes it less likely that you have glaring holes in your recruitment and gives you the ability to focus on other things.
Or he just thinks these two kids have the skills and work ethic to become good players.
Can understand the collective sigh by star gazers but I don't question camp offers. I think you will see the interest in these guys get stronger as more teams scout them. Glad we got them early.
Or has it always been a top producing state?
The Baltimore/DC area is pretty strong when it comes to football. I don't think it's a new development.
Whenever people question camp offers, just remember how Channing Stribling blew up his senior year after he was a lightly scouted camp offer.
I don't know what Stribling's final senior season stats were, but he was pretty darn good as a junior. He didn't exactly come out of nowhere. It's just that he had some really good senior players on the team when he was a junior, so he was overshadowed. His junior stats included 37 tackles, 14 pass breakups, and 6 interceptions. He also had 37 catches for 636 yards and 8 touchdowns.
This isn't conclusive by any means, but from the newspaper articles I found throughout the season, Stribling had 6 receiving touchdowns, 6 interceptions, and a couple return touchdowns as a senior. Overall, he probably had a better statistical season as a senior, but he wasn't too shabby before that, either.
I wasn't saying he was bad before Michigan offered him. I'm saying he didn't have ALL THE STARS when he got offered, showing that we should give the coaches the benefit of the doubt when they offer a guy that the recruting services missed.
He never did get "all the stars." He's been a 3-star ever since the sites initially rated him. According to the recruiting gurus, he's a generic cornerback. It doesn't prove or reinforce anything about the coaches' evaluation abilities.
Glad to have you guys here. Go blue
Don't get me wrong i like what I've read about Freddy Canteen, seems like the kid is polished enough where he can come right in and contribute. However, losing an elite playmaker like Scott hurts. I really thought he would fit in perfect in the slot with our other size at WR. I'm happy he's not going to Ohio or any rival school but he's a tough loss, I'd like to know how it seemed like we had him, then Clemson comes out of nowhere and steals him within 2 weeks.
I get the impression these coaches are really good at (1) spotting talent in the raw and (2) developing raw talent. That's what I think is going on here.