If you took a snap shot from any free kick you would see that picture. Those "fouls" will NEVER EVER be called for a penalty kick.
this may be of some local interest
6/18/2010 – USA 2, Slovenia 2 – 0-0-2, 3 GF 3 GA, in with a chance
Since college football happens on Saturday and people read the internet at work, I usually have the luxury of taking a day or two to compose my thoughts on an emotionally wrenching event before pouring them out into this space. No such luxury after a 10 AM game on Friday.
It doesn't matter in this case since I won't know how to feel until the US plays Algeria. Go through, and the second half was Yes We Can We Are Amurrica It Is Morning And Let's Roll Up Our Sleeves And Get Out Of This Recession. Fall short and it's time to bomb Mali. That would be unfortunate since some 13 years ago I was sitting on the internet playing checkers at 3 AM after a night of Jedi Knight and my opponent said "hello from Mali." We had a nice conversation. I explained what "doh!" meant and he told me he was using the only computer in his village of 300 to play checkers at 10 AM. Erroll77 is now 29. If I was him I would find a TV and root like hell for the USA against Algeria. The USA didn't bomb Germany after that mad dentist conjured a penalty out of nothing in the Ghana game, but they're in NATO. We do what we must.
I digress. What just happened is Schrödinger's Cat: World Cup Edition. At halftime I left the noisy bar and thought dark thoughts about how the US has largely moved away from MLS players but remains addicted to MLS managers. Jose Torres was brought on and the first half was spent seeing Slovenia cover passing lanes until one of the center-backs aimlessly booted a ball upfield that Robbie Findley might run onto, for whatever good that might do. The US had conceded a goal built from sheer lazy marking from Bocanegra, who allowed Walter Birsa to tuck inside totally unmarked and launch a shot Howard, off his line, had no chance at. The second goal was a World Cup-crushing gut punch that followed a sequence in which the US was one wrong touch or Donovan sliding tackle away from equalizing.
Then something decayed. At halftime I was busy composing a rant about how the loss had nothing to do with the USA's inability to play above the level of their competition and everything to do with their inability to do anything except on the counter and the unfamiliarity with defending it. The US then got a couple goals off hoofed long balls and managed to avoid further crippling goals on the counter. Why is unclear.
It wasn't the substitutions, neither of whom had anything to do with either US goal allowed to stand. Before he got on the end of the Donovan service Edu was frankly bad, and Feilhaber's contribution was limited to a couple of ambitious passes that didn't come off. It wasn't the run of play, which was the same as it was in the first half, with the teams splitting possession and the US having slightly more edge in the final third. It just went differently for no immediately understandable reason. It just happened.
They're still in it, though, and since I'm at a loss as to what, exactly, to think I will default to my mode of operation in 2002, when I was in a Galway pub and Niall Quinn knocked down a header for Robbie Keane to blast past Oliver Khan:
The situation then is creepily close to what the USA just faced down. Ireland had drawn their first game 1-1. The last game of the group was against a team from the Arab world widely regarded a minnow (in their case, Saudi Arabia), and a draw was required if they were going to have a chance to advance. The goal is a carbon-copy.
Keane scored deep into stoppage time, so Ireland didn't have time to punch in the winner and see it set on fire. The country decided to take the rest of the day off and drink by the river. I've still got to watch the England game, but in many things the Irish approach to life is the wise course. For now, a stirring comeback that leaves the USA's fate almost entirely in their hands, and a reason to keep faith even when the weight of history tells you to go home and sulk.
While it's up:
But first! The Run of Play wins twitter in the aftermath. Read from the bottom:
If you took a snap shot from any free kick you would see that picture. Those "fouls" will NEVER EVER be called for a penalty kick.
to high school. If you want my full credentials I was JV captain my sophomore year and a starter my junior year as a left back for varsity and sweeper for my senior year.
That shit happens all the time during every free kick even at the high school level. The things that people will do during free kicks to give themselves even the slightest advantage is not observable to the ref or people who have never played the sport.
Also if you actually watched the replay the foul was called on Edu who was never bear hugged at any time. But hey this is the internet and I could just be making everything up...
Also, also (since you just edited your post) I never claimed that it should have been a penalty on Edu. I personally think that nothing should have been called there unless the linesman thought that it was offsides. But the referee will NEVER EVER EVER call a PK for that bs. EVER.
WTF does "I was second place in Ohio my senior year, center back" mean?
Does that mean:
I played center back and was second team all state? Because last I checked they didn't give out places for soccer positions.
Again I'm not saying that a foul should have been called. I'm just saying that THE REF WILL NEVER EVER CALL A FOUL ON SLOVENIA THERE IN THE BOX IN STOPPAGE TIME.
2-1 in overtime after leading 1-0 late in the game. Look my dick is bigger than your dick.
I'm not trying to be cool and edgy. Do I think that the USA got jobbed?
Do I think that you call a foul for any of that bs in the box:
If you think that a soccer referee will call a foul on that then you clearly know absolutely nothing about soccer or refereeing.
"Bullshit! You ever play soccer? You WILL NOT see someone with their arms COMPLETELY wrapped around another player and then have the wrapped up player get called for a mystical foul. It may not be a PK but show me the USA foul/offsides"
That is calling for a foul on Slovenia...
Its clear that Brian put the big red arrow on the "foul" that was called by the ref, pointing out how niiscule it is!If that shit happens all the time, then why was it called here while the blatent bear hug on Bradley wasn''t? It was a bad call! Pure and simple! Forget the bear hug if you want because it had no bearing on what the ref called and just admit that the whistle should never have been blown.
That's been my position this whole bloody time. (Ooo a soccer/English term).
Maybe if you read my posts you'd realize this.
Every argument that you are making as to why the bear hug shouldn't be a foul (that sort of thing happens in every free kick) is the exact reason why there shouldn't have been any call. I know that you agree that there shouldn't have been a call, so just leave it at that. If you want to argure against a call on the bear hug, then find a better arguement than "that sort of thing always happens" because it doesn't. At least argue that the ref just didn't see it (which I belive to be the case) and stop telling everyone how long you have been a ref.
Besides if you think the bear hug should not have been called in this situation, you are not a good ref no matter how long you have been at it.
Why are you the way that you are?
Yeah that is a terrible quality to have! How dare I!
I think the point is not asking for a foul but rather, IF YOU ARE GOING TO CALL A FOUL, YOU HAVE MANY MORE BLATANT CHOICES! There, does that clear it up?
David Moyes has probably forgotten more about soccer than you or I will ever know, and he said there were at least two offenses warranting a penatly kick on the play, and no foul by the US.
BOUJE WAS JV CAPTAIN
the reason you never see that shit called in high school is mostly because high school referees SUCK. As in every game of my high school career contained an "altered" rule of offsides that relied on ball position rather than when the ball left the foot (the ball had to go past the last defender before an attacking player).
Here's the thing...that's not the rule. The rule is the same as the pros...it's about the position of the players when the ball leaves the foot. Every high school ref was so bad about the offsides rule that half the team, including myself, thought the rule had been changed.
This post is so fucking true. I hated high school soccer refs with the fire of 1,000 suns.
We're bitching that whatever the ref thinks he saw on us, there were SIX FUCKING WORSE FOULS on Slovenia. If you're going to call anything, it has to be the bear-hug on Bradley's defender.
I'm not a big soccer fan, but was anybody else completely miffed when Findley had the ball all alone on the left side (1st half) and rather than shooting, tried to cram a pass in front of the net between a couple defenders? Take the shot, man!
Also, I typically try not to be a giant homer, but doesn't it seem like the Americans flop a whole lot less than virtually every other country? It seemed as if most falls were warranted, even if it was Dempsey stepping on the ball and smashing his face into the ground...
see flops from American players. I think that it's a result of not many players playing overseas where flopping is a skill though Dempsey, Howard, Donovan and to name a few played overseas. At least, they're not like the NBA players who tries to flop to draw fouls.
9 out of the starting 11 today play professionally outside the US. 10 if you count Donovan moonlighting for Everton.
Diving isn't really a part of the US arsenal. The Home Nations (Scotland, England, Ireland, etc.) are also pretty good about it as are probably a good number of central European sides. The Italians and much of South America on the other hand deserve to star in telenovelas like "Los Dias y Las Noches de Monsignor Martinez."
You strangely omitted Portugal. And Stephen Gerrard.
I often forget Portugal is a real country, seeing as they have accomplished nothing in the last four or five centuries.
And Stevie G can get fucked. I just didn't want to be accused of racism for expressing my hatred of all things English.
Does that mean we can't laugh at England for starting Heskey again?
I bet the over/under on how many pies that fat fuck is going to wolf down at halftime. Nothing but nervous tension for me the next 45 minutes.
Why else would it be so hard to understand a fecking word he says?
It's 2 hours later and I still can't figure out whether to be mad, elated, or both. Usually Brian's columns help me figure this out, but it seems like he is stuck, too. Let's all just agree to take it out on Algeria and be done with it.
Mad and elated are, I believe, the proper emotions to have. Having the luxury of going through by tying Algeria would have been nice (I'm assuming Alg will lose to Ingerlund) but in the end we basically control our own destiny. Beat Algeria and we're through, save a bizarre, high scoring draw between England and Slovenia.
Yeah, admittedly, I was figuring a 2-2 SLV-ENG draw as unlikely. I doubt England's going to gift Slovenia as much space as our CBs did, and they certainly didn't look like scoring much otherwise.
Sorry Ikesotys. I didn't see you already went over the new scenarios.
Two Thoughts. I wish goalkeepers had to put water bottles on top of the goal like in hockey so Donovan's roofer would have exploded it. And also dude, I wish I could hear the awesome Eastern European club beat that was at the heart of the Slovenian goal dance.
On a serious note though, Bob, what they hell is Benny doing in there over Holden?
Watch Landon's goal. The reason he has no choice but to roof it is that Benny literally runs over Dempsey, taking both of them out of the play.
was surprised Benny didn't run directly in front of LD to block his shot. Which was, by the way, an incredible shot!
Let me begin by saying that I come in peace with a honest question.
I was unable to watch the game and saw the replay on an old laptap in the YouTube square on Mgoblog. So I could be wrong, but weren't we offsides on that last kick? Couldn't that be what was called and the ref just wasn't very clear about it?
(For the record, I only played soccer as a kid, 25-30 years ago, on a lousy rec team, and I wasn't very good. I recall that I cheated - a lot.)
Flag stayed down. That's the AR's (linesman) call, and Bradley wasn't involved in the play's development, so, given the current interpretation, he shouldn't be whistled for offside (I think he was on, in any case).
that the Slovenian bear-hugger is keeping the play onside by staying even or behind all American attackers.
Someone for the U.S. was called for a pull prior to the goal score. I say that's a pant-load, but that's what they're saying the call was.
I guess "pulling" is a foul, but an outright bear hug is seen as nothing more than a diplomatic gesture of kindness.
If someone was off, it may have been by an inch or two, and they are not going to call that on a free kick cross into the box while the defense is retreating (not surging forward on a trap trying to draw an offsides call).
I thought it was kind of offsides at first but that was because I couldn't see the guy bear-hugging Bradley. rule of thumb: if someone has locked his arms around your waist, you are not offsides.
That and there was a guy on the far side keeping everyone onside too.
USMNT games join Michigan football in being sporting contests that don't end with the clock in my mind. It takes a Brian recap for me to finally settle down. You brought this on yourself sir.
I am so, so glad that someone else said it first: when Findley got that pointless, ridiculous yellow, other than swearing at a lost opportunity in the box I was giddy. He's done less than nothing as a striker, and I'm glad to see him sit. His entire raison d'etre is to run onto the long ball (as stupid a strategy as that is). This game featured a whole lot of Findley jogging downfield as the ball sailed over his head (or Findley suddenly finding himself with no one between himself and the goal, and then lazily passing the ball to God knows who in the middle followed swiftly by clearance). Put in a legitimate scoring threat. Gomez or Buddle or even Ching. Anyone but Findley.
Sorry, I am so angry right now so I need someone to unload on - and I can't find my asshole of a cat.
Totally. PETA frowns upon "unloading on your cat's asshole" or whatever it was he said.