Sparty NOOOO. I love it. Great Post.
GS gets pissed-awesome
take a closer look at this very board then. Now when I say "concerned" I don't mean "OMG WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO." But there are people here that seem to pay a lot of attention to anything about MSU.
It's go to be more of the folks that are still living in Michigan. The second I leave the state, no one gives a flip about Michigan State. Because, well, you know why.
Take a look at the number of threads around here that pertain to Sparty and your opinion will change.
There are more than one here on the first page of the MGoBoard.
Come on, every day there is SOMETHING. If it's "Dantonio notes MSU hasn't had attrition" sparking a 100+ comment thread about how he's "aiming it at us" it's something else.
This thread topic
The Gholston topic
The Dior topic
The "Recruiting Sanity" topic
Yes, I posted one of them. It was more of a feeling of what he was saying than ZOMG worried/concerned for anything they do. I'm just tired of taking shit from hypocrites who have no idea what they are talking about. (Both parents and siblings went to MSU)
I thought GSimms finally snapped and killed someone.
yeah me too. damn.
an epic rant
It's just like a Big Brother.... to let little brother feel like he is gaining on him, coming close to winning..... Then slamming the door shut, in his face, fingers in the door jam !!
Now THAT was worth a read!
"You're welcome for Renaissance, bitches. Hopefully Dantonio is nice enough to give Coach Watts a reach around."
I thought it was pretty dumb. How can you consistently misspell "propaganda" in a rant about just that? Also, the author exhorts us to chastise our MSU-obsessive brethren... and then proceeds to provide a metric fuckton of detail about a bunch of Sparty crap that no one cares about.
Consider this your chastisement: D+
"I thought it was pretty dumb. How can you consistently misspell 'propaganda' in a rant about just that?"
I'm sure I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about...
(Thanks for pointing that out.)
Helluva job you did there. Too bad I can only give you a +1.
Technically, it's a +2.
That was great down to the last sentence! :)
I just hope those words are more prophetic for Brian than Nikita Krushchev who said the same about the West in 1956.
How many paper towels did it take to wipe off the spit and venom from your computer after that?!?
Very impressive on several fronts.
"metric fuckton"??? +1!
I did like the rant, though. Bur h was pretty easy on Michigan Fan.
I'm going to have to stay late at work for reading that. Well worth it.
that link and read it every day leading up the state game this year. other brian i wanted to give you a standing ovation for that, but i don't think my dogs would have understood.
from now on when one of the many douche bag state fans that i know run there mouths to me i am going to give them the link to your rant. this way i won't get frustrated when i have to explain everything to them twice.
It's "their" mouths. Let me know if you need that one explained again. See what I did there?
I was at Cedar Point, having a good time, wearing the block M, when a couple of state fans start giving me shit. I ignored them for a while, but they seemed to always make it to whatever line I was in so that as we made our way back and forth they could get there jabs in. Note that this was even before the beat us this year. So finally, I just said enough and told them just to stop (they were starting to say shit about the gf). So finally, I ask, "Are you guys even in college?" Didn't hear another word.
All I'm saying is that if we are talking about State it's a waste of our time. No explanations needed. We all know how it goes with the State folk. So whoo cares.
I think the big problem with BOTH fan bases is that the vast majority of idiots who spout off for either school comprise an immensely small segment of the population. Having gone to both schools, I can attest that most fans are reasonably intelligent and thoughtful, not prone to overreaction and unsubstantiated mudslinging that you see and hear on the blogs and radio. Taking the Freep as an example, the worst offenders are the same 4-5 people, who probably go on those boards looking to stir up trouble. Sure, the rivalry lends itself to passionate rants and finger-pointing, but I think fans of both schools would agree that they respect the other school and their programs, even if UM has been more dominant in football and MSU has been more dominant in basketball.
I would love it if MSU is able to become more of a player in the Big 10 and in national recruiting, as that would make the Big 10 a better conference and, I hope, push UM a bit in their own backyard. Because if MSU starts putting together better teams on a consistent basis, I think that will help to push UM a bit more than they currently are by OSU/PSU.
Taking the Freep as an example, the worst offenders are the ones writing the articles.
That is true, but at this point I never go to the Freep for journalistic integrity. But to be fair, they are playing to their core audience, which loves stirring up non-events between the two fan bases.
I was going to dock you for the gratuitous "I went to both schools" (or even the gratuitous mention of graduating from either one as if that has any importance to a post), but then I agreed with your take that most fans are rational enough not to really get worked up one way or another.
I usually think college graduates lead lives that preclude sitting on message boards all day frothing at the mouth in dick measuring contests. Ans they probably have more interesting stuff to do than sit on hold for 2 hours just to tell Mike Valeni he is an asshat.
But I goota tell you--I think the Sparty fan base has received a shot in their collective arm from last year's win and the percieved foibles of "DickRod" and has become mostly intolerable. I also disagree with your last point. Sure, UM can be pushed a bit by Sparty, but they will NEVER be more motivated or pushed than by a desire to keep up with, or ahead of, PSU and OSU. UM gets back to that level, and Sparty, by definition, is irrelevant. I think Sparty, all perception aside, is still the ankle biting chihuahua to UM's Bigger, Badder dog, and the true push or motivation for UM comes from Columbus--as it should.
By the way, I think I'm going to -1 anybody who utters any derivative of the phrase, "That being said" ZOMG is that putrid.That kind of quasi-half-intelligent summation is SOOO Scout Posting Guy; it's not something that should pollute this blog.
I guess your post was a compliment, but boy did it take a long time to get there.
I think you are understating the UM/MSU rivalry a bit. Beating OSU is always the goal, but the reason it has taken on heightened value over the years is because that end-of-the-season matchup tended to decide the Big 10 and the Rose Bowl berth. If OSU or UM were to become perennial second-tier teams, I think the passion behind the rivalry would subside a bit. People care about beating OSU because there usually is quite a bit riding on that win - an undefeated season, a trip to a BCS bowl game, etc. Turn OSU or UM into Iowa, though, and I'm not sure the mythology surrounding the game rises to the level it has.
I stand by my earlier assertion that a better MSU makes UM better. The same goes for a better PSU, Purdue, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc. A more competitive Big 10 makes everyone better. But if MSU can actually make this a rivalry, I think you'll see the passion between the two schools ratchet up more than you think.
And for the record, is it really that unlikely that MSU could not one day become a top-3 team in the Big 10? People keep trumpeting PSU as this established winner, but they have won a total of 2 Big 10 titles this decade, and have a combined record of 66-44 (and that includes two seasons where they went 11-1 and 11-2, respectively). Iowa - 2 Big 10 titles and a record of 69-43. Heck, even MSU, which went through perhaps its worst stretch in recent memory under Bobby Williams and John L. Smith, still finished 53-53 since 2000. So I do think that a strong MSU could still challenge UM in the Big 10, and that challenge in-state would only be a benefit for UM.
being a Wolverine from east lansing that link will be my facebook status for the rest of the day.
Even GS in his rant referred a couple times to what Spartan fans would say, to which I say "who cares?" Other than reading the occasional MSU article, I literally have never visited an MSU site, and never cared to debate other teams fans on other sites. Maybe I'm not typical, I have no idea. But one thing I hate: the stupid name calling from both sides. I hate "O$U" just as much as I hate "scUM." IMO they both are idiotic, unless you are 15 or so.
It's a good thing we don't obsess over them like they do over us.
I feel safer already. Thank you so much for fighting them over there, so we dont have to fight them over here.
Only piece of advice: Break out the Red Wings gear, will ya!?!? I mean they won in 2008. I dont know how old you are, but there have been three other Cups in the last 10 years.
Be proud of your franchise, bro. I know I am. We're fans of one the best run franchises in all of pro sports, fer gawd's sake!!!
Sparty still has their basketball team.
boy, are their feelings ever gonna be hurt if when start popping them in bball.
I obsess over Michigan
I loathe the Buckeyes
I detest Notre Dame
I have a strong dislike for Michigan State
There is no question more and more Michigan fans are obsessing over Sparty. Some pay close attention to everything Sparty says. Others go so far as to actively search the web for Sparty news. They want to know everything about what Sparty is doing. What he is saying. And who he is saying it to.
I'm not that person. This is the only website I visit when I want to hear/talk about college football.
Specifically: Michigan Football.
If it were not for the MSU threads that permeate this website I would be blissfully unaware of what Sparty is up to.
to get GS and Mike Valente in the same room for a rant-off.
There would be blood.
...was glorious. As a M fan who has tired of a year of Spartan silliness, Other Brian has vented the collective spleen of Wolverine Nation. Now let's start the season already!
By the way, and we probably knew this already, but...some Spartans are not very smart readers. Of the comments left so far (I'm letting them stew for now before publishing or rejecting), there are multiple ones by MSU fans expressing their displeasure with what I've said.
...Or at least I think they're MSU fans. I'd like to get my hands on the MSU student directory and look up Mr. "Anon Y. Mous" to see if he's really a student there.
But hey, Coach Dantonio posted a comment too! Except his comment was sort of murky, I can't tell if it's bashing me or praising me.
I didn't know Carr disliked Mallett. Does anyone know the details of how that came about? Seems like the coaches get to know the players fairly well during the recruiting process, but maybe Mallett changed after arriving on campus? Details anyone?
Uh it is rumored that absolutely no one liked Ryan Mallett, specifically Manningham and Arrington.
That ain't a rumor. That's a truth.
A masterpiece of pure awesomeness.
The in-state recruiting dominance debunking and the Rodriguezized list debunking could definitely be used against some so-called M fans as well. I still hear that weak-ass argument about how Mallett and starting O-Linemen were "run-off."
And specifically with regards to the Rodriguezized list, how the eff can you include Will Campbell when the dude PLAYS FOR MICHIGAN?
Also, that is the very first time that I have ever seen the name Casey Blackport.