well that's just, like, your opinion, man
All right that's out of the way...someone spin it positive.
Super Bowl Rings!!!!!!! Flash em like Fat Charlie Greg
Greg Robinson is 10-0 on Bowl Games and playoffs!!
I don't see it on thewolverine.com.
It's in "The Fort":
Chris Balas just says that he's not sure when the announcement is coming, but that the decision is made.
We all know Rex Ryan is coming, he's just f'ing with the Jets!
Well, I'm not sure if this is good news or bad news.
Hopefully, he can get his nephew Denard Robinson to commit to the Wolveirnes next Fall.
GSimmons, are you out there? Any thoughts? Chitown's earlier posting of Robinson's resume suggests middling results.
Also, I assume this means Robinson is willing to buy into a swearing-based coaching philosophy.
I'm not particularly happy with this outcome, but I'll go ahead and trust that RRod knows what he's doing. I think most or all of the information I have about Robinson has been dispersed from this website, and there's clearly not a lot to like.
I expect that there's a *LOT* of information not at our disposal that puts this decision into a state where it makes sense. Which it does not from here.
I'll hold off on passing judgment until we hear the reasons for the move from RRod, and until we actually, you know, see what the defense looks like and how it responds in actual games.
I'm not sure that waiting to make an informed decision has any place on the internet.
from five days ago. Whatever he says is not breaking news.
Regardless, if true, I think this means the RR era at Michigan will be shorter rather than longer. With all the dynamic young defensive guys out there, I can't for the life of me figure out why RR would bring this thoroughly discredited guy here; there is nothing in Robinson's body of work that merits this position at Michigan. RR will regret this hire if it comes to pass.
I hope this isn't all about money, or the lack thereof for assistants.
The link is to a post that was put up 29 minutes ago.
"RR era at Michigan will be shorter rather than longer."
"thoroughly discredited guy"
"nothing in Robinson's body of work that merits this position at Michigan."
I think these sentiments are overly harsh. Robinson's credentials have been thoroughly analyzed before, but the overall consensus has been "meh" -- not "thoroughly discredited." Ideally, Michigan would hire someone with significant coordinating experience and with consistently excellent defenses.
The problem is that most such coordinators are either (a) in the NFL; or (b) at similarly prestigious universities. And while up-and-comers may be available, those tend to be position coaches with little coordinating experience, and many on this site have been loath to embrace a position coach as coordinator here at Michigan.
The bottom line is that while Robinson's resume opens the room for doubt, let's not condemn him yet.
While I'm firmly on record as "anti-Robinson" on the hire, I agree with this. I make no claims to being an expert, or really even knowing what I'm talking about. I'm not going to carve a headstone for the RR era until we see what his results are.
Another strike against up-and-comers is that we just had one and the one-year returns were less than inspiring. Not that it's any guarantee that the defense will be better next year with Robinson, but I think last year would make everyone a bit hesitant to try it again.
Chitown, I'm not a Rivals subscriber so I guess you're able to see stuff I can't.
Southpaw, I admit to being harsh, but I guess that's my assessment of his record. When I say thoroughly discredited, I'm referring to his horrible stint at Syracuse. There's no way to whitewash it; it wasn't even mediocre. I understand that being a HC is a different thing than being DC, but I'm hardly heartened by the fact that he appears to be a lousy recruiter. I recognize that RR and perhaps other assistants may carry the load on recruiting, but I think it's a major disadvantage if one of your most important assistants is downright lousy at one of the most important aspects of running a program.
If I were a coach at another school competing with Michigan for a top defensive prospect, you can bet that I'd make sure the recruit would know that if he went to Michigan, he'd be playing for a DC who was a miserable failure in his most recent job, and was fired not too long ago for stinking up the joint in the NFL as DC at KC. That may or may not sway a recruit's decision, but it certainly doesn't make recruiting for Michigan any easier.
Obviously both RR and GR have forgotten more football than I'll ever know, and if GR's hired I'll fervently hope that it works out fantastically well for Michigan from the get-go. I'm not going to hold my breath.
it's been talked about before. Even guys like WC didn't seemed bothered by it, "My D-line caoch is still there...". While I'm not totally enthralled either, I'm not the least concerned on the recruiting front, it seems pretty apparent that RR has that nailed down.
Greg's wife stays away from the kids on the team. Here's to you Mrs. Robinson.....
Glen Mason's Hot Wife might have to change his name.
I'm not gonna be too pleased with the hire but at least we'll get a coach who won against ND :)
I'm not elated if it's true, but 2 pretty good defenses in the NFL that won back to back Super Bowls is at least something on his resume.
Our recruits were only out of diapers for a few years when Robinson was DC for the Broncos. I doubt they would give two s**ts about that.
I disagree.....Super Bowl rings are pretty bad ass. And to say you were the DC on those teams is impressive.
Now, his most recent coaching record?....eh...not so much.
I doubt these kids would even know who won the Super Bowl 10 years ago, let alone give a crap about a coordinator who has pretty much sucked ass since then. John Elway, Terrell Davis & Mike Shanahan are the names that they would know or care about. Greg Robinson? Nah.
You're completely missing the point. A Super Bowl ring, be it from the 2007 Giants or the 1991 Redskins, says one thing: I know how to win in the NFL and I can turn you into a first round draft pick.
Then why couldn't he recruit before?
Have you ever been to Syracuse?
Syracuse was known for locking down NY and NJ no?
It has a lot to do with the rise of Rutgers and Florida, and I just don't think Robinson is a good recruiter. He lacks the intensity, he's a laid back California type guy. The balance, though, is that Rodriguez is intense. A kid knows he's going to Michigan to win, the Super Bowl rings provide extra motivation.
Syracuse is one of the most successful football programs in NCAA history (top 25), as measured by win percentage. Pasqualoni, in the 14 years before Robinson's arrival, went to 12 bowls and had a win percentage of over 64%. Why did recruiting to Syracuse suddenly become impossible when Robinson showed up? They seem to be able to recruit awesome basketball players.
Exactly my point, Chitown. Those Super Bowl rings don't cover up the fact that he was awful as HC of Syracuse. They sure as hell didn't help to sway recruits while he was there. I doubt that they will help now.
I've just had to drive through there a few times and it's not exactly picturesque, but the point of their historical success prior to Robinson is a good one. What happened? Why was there a significant drop off in talent after Robinson went there?
Theory 1 - they were probably marginalized with the rise of parity. The number of competitive programs has increased significantly over the past five years. The talent has to be pulled from somewhere. Syracuse was most likely one of those places, maybe because Robinson and his staff weren't able to sell the school and tradition well enough.
It's not about the team who won, Jay. Yes, most of these kids are like "lol elway wut?" but the rings show them that this guy knows how to get them to the NFL. Now, I imagine he's just a horrible recruiter in general because from what I've seen he's a really soft spoken, laid back kind of guy. Combine that with Rodriguez and Barwis, though and that doesn't seem half as serious.
why I don't support it. While I grant that there have been all types of successful coaches of different personality types, I don't think a laid back, soft spoken guy is generally who you want for that side of the ball, where passion and intensity are arguably more important to success than on offense. Most, not all (I see you Wade Phillips) DC's are high intensity guys. And I'm of the general opinion that personality match among the staff is important as well, in order to create a common culture. But we'll see, hopefully the naysayers don;t know what they're talking about.
Honestly, I know that screaming, chest-bumping DC's like Muschamp make great TV, but I'm not sure "fiery" makes a difference.
Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin would like to disagree with you also.
This sucks. I think.
So the whole waiting til after bowl season and NFL playoffs was what, b.s. ?
No. We don't know who he wanted, and who he talked to. Just because he hired someone unrestricted by that time line doesn't mean that, 25 days ago, he knew he was hiring Robinson.
Yeah, I rethought my stance after posting that. I guess we'll all have to just wait and see. Here's to hope.
Clearly, I'm not thrilled, and tend to think it's a bad move. But, here's hoping that my ignorance of football is once again confirmed.
I'm not thrilled either, but I tend to think it could work. He has had some success before, so while the shitty years in KC and Syracuse are awful they don't tell the full story.
Spinners go to work! This guy cannot recruit-this from former Syracuse coach with UM ties. Sure hope he can coach.
Our detractors will have a good time with this. No opponent is wincing over this hire. Grinning, yes, but no wincing.
...beat Notre Dame in South Bend last year.
No "wow" factor for me if true. I'm interested in what RichRod will say.
What are the chances that this is NOT true?
I don't know much about this reporter, and while he is an "insider", it doesn't mean he has perfectly accurate information. Chitown, any ideas on the true validity of this claim?
Rivals track record in terms of being correct when they pass along news is pretty strong. Scout frequently scoops them, but is also wrong about 70% of the time.
In short - when they post something as "certainty" instead of "speculation", I don't recall them being wrong.
I gotta say, I had a feeling Vance was the man for the job.
The guy from "Vance Refrigeration"?
When Shafer resigned, I posted something like "The unknown can't be worse than the worst defense ever.." or something like that.
So, here we are. Greg Robinson. He definitely has a TON more experience than Shafer did. I think we could have done a lot lot worse here guys. Coached in multiple super bowls, the big 12, the Big East.
I think we need to trust Rodriguez on this one. He did coach against the guy in the Big East for years and I'm sure has pretty extensive knowledge of the guy and what he's done in the past against West Virginia as well as other teams.
For the money the athletic department is willing to part with, this is a great hire. I think we should embrace it and give him a chance to do well. No prejudgement. Trust the ninja football guru. Peanut. Butter. Jelly. Time.
What line of work are you in?
been one to jump on the "Michigan Man" stuff, but it would be nice to have more people on the staff with ties to the University, traditions, rivalries etc... I doubt it makes any difference, but I like the idea of having coaches who fully appreciate the rivalries with MSU, ND, and OSU. Robinson does not strike me as a guy who has that passion, but merely is finishing out his career as a coach, and found a good gig. I hope I am very, very wrong. There is no way this guy was top 5 when RRod first started searching (pure speculation), so once again we are finding that coaching at Michigan has lost it's luster a bit.
"There is no way this guy was top 5 when RRod first started searching (pure speculation)"
How can you have a definitive in the same sentence you say "pure speculation"?
Also, I think we should extend this appreciation of rivalries to players. Fuck Donovan Warren as he is from Cali and doesn't know anything about our rivalries. Also, fuck all those players from Ohio and Florida, they don't know shit about being a Michigan man. And also, fuck Bo for being from Ohio originally, we only want people that were always here. Additionally, fuck all non Native Americans for being Americans, they don't truly understand what it is to be an "American Man".
'How can you have a definitive in the same sentence you say "pure speculation"?'
Answer: Interwebs. The only thing more sacrilegious to the Internet Gods than proper grammar is conceptually valid content
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One need have no ties to the school to get the rivalries. How many people come to this school from out of state with no ties to the midwest and come away hating Ohio State? Plenty.
I'm from the East Coast, and moved back after graduation. Since I'm on this site multiple times a day (worrying about a possible DC, when history is being made) I think that I appreciate Michigan history and the rivalries. The same is true for many, many out of state fans and alumni!
is the assumption that the AD won't pay $$ for a DC? IOW, link?
also, we have to assume that RR, having coached against this guy in the BEast for so long, knows his strengths & weaknesses more than anyone of us. maybe, of all the BEast teams, Cuse was the most well prepared team defensively but just didn't have the horses? and maybe RR saw that for 4 years? IDK.
for the assistant coaches is approximately $1.9 million. Someone did some math recently and the available money was roughly $275 - $300, which is about what McGee is getting as well, so it makes sense.
his 2 Super Bowl rings on every recruiting trip he makes or at least show every kid he recruits those rings. He is not as bad as everyone on this site makes him out to be. GR has more experience than any other candidate and he must have a good relationship and/or share defensive philosophies with RichRod. I think we will see multiple front defenses with him. I want this search to end so we can focus on recruiting
Maybe Robinson could just tell recruits that he's been on Sabbatical since the two Super Bowls.
"One need have no ties to the school to get the rivalries. How many people come to this school from out of state with no ties to the midwest and come away hating Ohio State? Plenty."
what is this "ohio state" you speak of?
look, people have to separate process from product. one can go thru a good process and have the product be dogshite due to things out of one's control (Rutgers being a bowl team, Miami coming back from 2000-on, the Syracuse facilities going down hill, USF doing well, etc.).
look at the specifics... can he scheme? can he teach fundamentals? maybe he can, but he can't recruit kids to Cuse from the SE, Cal, TEx, etc. the biggest thing is recruiting. i don't see any evidence that he is anywhere near a decent recruiter. and if so, well, WTF RR?
Ron English was a great recruiter. Want him back?
Most of these idiots probably do.
Yes. You're right. People who don't agree with you are idiots.
No, not people who disagree with me. About 75% of this board are idiots, regardless of how they feel about my opinion.
We idiots appreciate the fact that you continue to lower yourself and grace us with your presence. Clearly, your superior football intellect is much needed around here.
because Ron English sounds pretty good to me. One good year and one bad year, where the bad year wasn't NEARLY as bad as Shafer's
"One good year one bad year". Top notch analysis.
This is a bad fucking day. I hope I'm wrong.
In his one year at UT he won a lot of their fans over because he schemed for every game, not just played the same ol' same ol' and he liked to blitz.
he has one year as a college DC to look at it, and it went well enough, so let's see what happens.
The lack of understanding of college football, recruiting, etc. is astounding on this board.
I want to argue with about 10 people right now, but that would be too big of an undertaking because I'm watching the inaugural address right now.
In short: Stop talking if you don't know what you're talking about.
i don't think anybody in this board, including you, TRULY knows what they're talking about or else they'd be up for the job lol.
True. That being said, there are too many people on here who speak with certainty about things they obviously know nothing about. It's okay to listen and learn. In the words of someone else...
"Whenever your mouth is open, you're not learning."
enjoy when people on the Internet think they know what a recruit is doing. The only person in here that I'd imagine has had any contact with any recruit is TomVH. Although, I did have a brief contact with Marvin Robinson in which he said if he committed early it would be after the MSU game. Obviously that didn't happen.
Want him back?
well, the bottom line is jimmies & joes, right? i mean, how bad was the 2007 defense compared to 2008? i don't think RE chose his staff either.
2007 was worlds better. Crable, C. Graham, Adams, and Englemon were way better than Evans/Thompson/Panter, Mouton (at the beginning of the year), S. Brown, Stewart/Williams/Harrison. App State put up 34 points on us.
Has said it's great.
I'll take that over people here speculating.
as Chitown's post demonstrated, his best non-Denver year was that year at Texas. Hopefully we get that DC and not all the other years DC, which based on fact, is not inspiring.
"Gerg" from now on?
This was RR's call and not yours. If GR is the pick, let him prove himself before you condemn him.
Well...here we go.
I don't believe it unless Herby reports it.
Awful head coach, good D-Coordinator.
Mediocre-Bad NFL coach----->Successful college coach. Hello Pete Carroll.
I'm willing to give the guy a shot. He beat Notre Lame so he is okay in my book. It's Michigan, we should be able to recruit for ourselves. Can't be worse than our D this year.
You know, i realize there are a few major differences, but Roof was a horrendous head coach, but apparently a very good D coordinator. Everyone is on Roof's bandwagon now, but if we had hired him a year ago I would have flipped out.
woulda been better off with Ron English than this pasty old fool.
I have a very, very, very bad feeling that I'm going to look back at the moment that I read "Hello Defensive Coordinator: Greg Robinson" as the moment I lost trust in RR's ability to make good decisions.
I hope I'm wrong, but yikes.
So apparently people on MGoBlog like to second guess and armchair quarterback things they understand nothing about, or very little.
Give the damn DC a shot. We have to get behind him now. Do you think RR is on this board right now, crying because some of you don't support this hire?
Rich Rodriguez blatantly disregards my opinion, no matter how many e-mails and letters I send. Or how many times I visit his house. He just doesn't care. He's a heartless bastard, just like Dex.
so it was you he told to 'get a life'...makes sense now
Syracuse being a pretty successful program before Robinson's tenure, and one with some history behind it, they probably had a pretty good pool of coaches with very good resumes to choose from, all of whom Robinson beat out. I figure, that's what we ought to judge Robinson on, since that's the role he'll be playing, not head coach.
He was actually better at recruiting then the head coach before him if you go back and look at his classes they were all better then in the years previous to him even the year after the cuse went to the sugar bowl. also his defenses were better then before with the exception of that sugar bowl year mabye it was the previous coach's lack of recruiting that screwed him and not his own. Also his offenses sucked ass so that wouls also help the demise of the defense like what happened to michigan this year.
At least i hope that is the reason and not that he is a huge screw up and ruins our defense.
Well, I'm not thrilled, but I confess that my reaction is mostly based on his work as a head coach, which isn't all that relevant. As for how he did in the NFL, I don't know what to make of that; it's a different level of football. I trust RR's judgment, so I'm willing to give him a chance.
What I can gather about GR is that he is generally regarded (by those around the country and not on this board) as a good DC. The comments from his prior players and coaches are solid. He was not a good head coach, but I believe that being a head coach for several years at a D1 program (regardless of his record) would improve his ability as a coordinator in many ways. I'm a bit interested to see how this goes. I'm looking forward to reading the posts next season. I may even cut/paste a few comments from some of you in case you change your tunes.