Per Rivals.
so much for that
Greg Robinson a done deal
January 20th, 2009 at 12:09 PM
#1
Greg Robinson a done deal
January 20th, 2009 at 12:12 PM | 
#$^#@$^#$^#$^
#$^#@$^#$^#$^
January 20th, 2009 at 1:20 PM |
Matt Millen
Matt Millen
What?
January 20th, 2009 at 4:56 PM |
Positive spin
Positive spin
Greg Robinson is 10-0 on Bowl Games and playoffs!!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:14 PM |
Can you share a link?
Can you share a link?
I don't see it on thewolverine.com.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:18 PM |
It's in "The
It's in "The
It's in "The Fort":
http://michigan.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=338&mid=120082039&sid=883&tid...
Chris Balas just says that he's not sure when the announcement is coming, but that the decision is made.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:22 PM |
Comon
Comon
We all know Rex Ryan is coming, he's just f'ing with the Jets!
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January 20th, 2009 at 12:23 PM |
Thanks.......
Thanks.......
Well, I'm not sure if this is good news or bad news.
Hopefully, he can get his nephew Denard Robinson to commit to the Wolveirnes next Fall.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:23 PM |
huh
huh
GSimmons, are you out there? Any thoughts? Chitown's earlier posting of Robinson's resume suggests middling results.
Also, I assume this means Robinson is willing to buy into a swearing-based coaching philosophy.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
January 20th, 2009 at 12:26 PM |
Hmm....
Hmm....
I'm not particularly happy with this outcome, but I'll go ahead and trust that RRod knows what he's doing. I think most or all of the information I have about Robinson has been dispersed from this website, and there's clearly not a lot to like.
I expect that there's a *LOT* of information not at our disposal that puts this decision into a state where it makes sense. Which it does not from here.
I'll hold off on passing judgment until we hear the reasons for the move from RRod, and until we actually, you know, see what the defense looks like and how it responds in actual games.
Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:32 PM |
strange
strange
I'm not sure that waiting to make an informed decision has any place on the internet.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
January 20th, 2009 at 12:26 PM |
The Balas article that I see on Rivals is
The Balas article that I see on Rivals is
from five days ago. Whatever he says is not breaking news.
Regardless, if true, I think this means the RR era at Michigan will be shorter rather than longer. With all the dynamic young defensive guys out there, I can't for the life of me figure out why RR would bring this thoroughly discredited guy here; there is nothing in Robinson's body of work that merits this position at Michigan. RR will regret this hire if it comes to pass.
I hope this isn't all about money, or the lack thereof for assistants.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:28 PM |
The link is to a post that
The link is to a post that
The link is to a post that was put up 29 minutes ago.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:43 PM |
Perhaps a bit harsh...
Perhaps a bit harsh...
"RR era at Michigan will be shorter rather than longer."
"thoroughly discredited guy"
"nothing in Robinson's body of work that merits this position at Michigan."
I think these sentiments are overly harsh. Robinson's credentials have been thoroughly analyzed before, but the overall consensus has been "meh" -- not "thoroughly discredited." Ideally, Michigan would hire someone with significant coordinating experience and with consistently excellent defenses.
The problem is that most such coordinators are either (a) in the NFL; or (b) at similarly prestigious universities. And while up-and-comers may be available, those tend to be position coaches with little coordinating experience, and many on this site have been loath to embrace a position coach as coordinator here at Michigan.
The bottom line is that while Robinson's resume opens the room for doubt, let's not condemn him yet.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:44 PM |
While I'm firmly on record as
While I'm firmly on record as
While I'm firmly on record as "anti-Robinson" on the hire, I agree with this. I make no claims to being an expert, or really even knowing what I'm talking about. I'm not going to carve a headstone for the RR era until we see what his results are.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:55 PM |
Another strike against
Another strike against
Another strike against up-and-comers is that we just had one and the one-year returns were less than inspiring. Not that it's any guarantee that the defense will be better next year with Robinson, but I think last year would make everyone a bit hesitant to try it again.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:41 PM |
"The link is to a post that was put up 29 minutes ago."
"The link is to a post that was put up 29 minutes ago."
Chitown, I'm not a Rivals subscriber so I guess you're able to see stuff I can't.
Southpaw, I admit to being harsh, but I guess that's my assessment of his record. When I say thoroughly discredited, I'm referring to his horrible stint at Syracuse. There's no way to whitewash it; it wasn't even mediocre. I understand that being a HC is a different thing than being DC, but I'm hardly heartened by the fact that he appears to be a lousy recruiter. I recognize that RR and perhaps other assistants may carry the load on recruiting, but I think it's a major disadvantage if one of your most important assistants is downright lousy at one of the most important aspects of running a program.
If I were a coach at another school competing with Michigan for a top defensive prospect, you can bet that I'd make sure the recruit would know that if he went to Michigan, he'd be playing for a DC who was a miserable failure in his most recent job, and was fired not too long ago for stinking up the joint in the NFL as DC at KC. That may or may not sway a recruit's decision, but it certainly doesn't make recruiting for Michigan any easier.
Obviously both RR and GR have forgotten more football than I'll ever know, and if GR's hired I'll fervently hope that it works out fantastically well for Michigan from the get-go. I'm not going to hold my breath.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:43 PM |
DC's have a diminished role in recruiting anyway...
DC's have a diminished role in recruiting anyway...
it's been talked about before. Even guys like WC didn't seemed bothered by it, "My D-line caoch is still there...". While I'm not totally enthralled either, I'm not the least concerned on the recruiting front, it seems pretty apparent that RR has that nailed down.
The reason for the world, is to make us long for HOME.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:26 PM |
I hope
I hope
Greg's wife stays away from the kids on the team. Here's to you Mrs. Robinson.....
Glen Mason's Hot Wife might have to change his name.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:27 PM |
Looking at the Bright side
Looking at the Bright side
I'm not gonna be too pleased with the hire but at least we'll get a coach who won against ND :)
January 20th, 2009 at 12:28 PM |
Nothing???
Nothing???
I'm not elated if it's true, but 2 pretty good defenses in the NFL that won back to back Super Bowls is at least something on his resume.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:33 PM |
Most of our recruits were
Most of our recruits were
Our recruits were only out of diapers for a few years when Robinson was DC for the Broncos. I doubt they would give two s**ts about that.
"I'm Leslie E. Miles and I approve of this message."
January 20th, 2009 at 12:36 PM |
I disagree.....Super Bowl
I disagree.....Super Bowl
I disagree.....Super Bowl rings are pretty bad ass. And to say you were the DC on those teams is impressive.
Now, his most recent coaching record?....eh...not so much.
No question, Jim.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:42 PM |
I doubt these kids would even
I doubt these kids would even
I doubt these kids would even know who won the Super Bowl 10 years ago, let alone give a crap about a coordinator who has pretty much sucked ass since then. John Elway, Terrell Davis & Mike Shanahan are the names that they would know or care about. Greg Robinson? Nah.
"I'm Leslie E. Miles and I approve of this message."
January 20th, 2009 at 12:47 PM |
You're completely missing the
You're completely missing the
You're completely missing the point. A Super Bowl ring, be it from the 2007 Giants or the 1991 Redskins, says one thing: I know how to win in the NFL and I can turn you into a first round draft pick.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
January 20th, 2009 at 12:50 PM |
Then why couldn't he recruit
Then why couldn't he recruit
Then why couldn't he recruit before?
January 20th, 2009 at 12:52 PM |
Have you ever been to
Have you ever been to
Have you ever been to Syracuse?
'Murica & Footbaw: That's what Michigan Does
January 20th, 2009 at 12:53 PM |
Syracuse was known for
Syracuse was known for
Syracuse was known for locking down NY and NJ no?
January 20th, 2009 at 12:56 PM |
It has a lot to do with the
It has a lot to do with the
It has a lot to do with the rise of Rutgers and Florida, and I just don't think Robinson is a good recruiter. He lacks the intensity, he's a laid back California type guy. The balance, though, is that Rodriguez is intense. A kid knows he's going to Michigan to win, the Super Bowl rings provide extra motivation.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
January 20th, 2009 at 12:57 PM |
Syracuse is one of the most
Syracuse is one of the most
Syracuse is one of the most successful football programs in NCAA history (top 25), as measured by win percentage. Pasqualoni, in the 14 years before Robinson's arrival, went to 12 bowls and had a win percentage of over 64%. Why did recruiting to Syracuse suddenly become impossible when Robinson showed up? They seem to be able to recruit awesome basketball players.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:01 PM |
Exactly my point, Chitown.
Exactly my point, Chitown.
Exactly my point, Chitown. Those Super Bowl rings don't cover up the fact that he was awful as HC of Syracuse. They sure as hell didn't help to sway recruits while he was there. I doubt that they will help now.
"I'm Leslie E. Miles and I approve of this message."
January 20th, 2009 at 1:02 PM |
True
True
I've just had to drive through there a few times and it's not exactly picturesque, but the point of their historical success prior to Robinson is a good one. What happened? Why was there a significant drop off in talent after Robinson went there?
Theory 1 - they were probably marginalized with the rise of parity. The number of competitive programs has increased significantly over the past five years. The talent has to be pulled from somewhere. Syracuse was most likely one of those places, maybe because Robinson and his staff weren't able to sell the school and tradition well enough.
'Murica & Footbaw: That's what Michigan Does
January 20th, 2009 at 12:40 PM |
It's not about the team who
It's not about the team who
It's not about the team who won, Jay. Yes, most of these kids are like "lol elway wut?" but the rings show them that this guy knows how to get them to the NFL. Now, I imagine he's just a horrible recruiter in general because from what I've seen he's a really soft spoken, laid back kind of guy. Combine that with Rodriguez and Barwis, though and that doesn't seem half as serious.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
January 20th, 2009 at 1:44 PM |
That's another reason
That's another reason
why I don't support it. While I grant that there have been all types of successful coaches of different personality types, I don't think a laid back, soft spoken guy is generally who you want for that side of the ball, where passion and intensity are arguably more important to success than on offense. Most, not all (I see you Wade Phillips) DC's are high intensity guys. And I'm of the general opinion that personality match among the staff is important as well, in order to create a common culture. But we'll see, hopefully the naysayers don;t know what they're talking about.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
January 20th, 2009 at 1:46 PM |
Honestly, I know that
Honestly, I know that
Honestly, I know that screaming, chest-bumping DC's like Muschamp make great TV, but I'm not sure "fiery" makes a difference.
January 20th, 2009 at 2:58 PM |
Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin
Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin
Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin would like to disagree with you also.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:33 PM |
This sucks. I think.
This sucks. I think.
This sucks. I think.
So the whole waiting til after bowl season and NFL playoffs was what, b.s. ?
not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user
January 20th, 2009 at 12:34 PM |
No. We don't know who he
No. We don't know who he
No. We don't know who he wanted, and who he talked to. Just because he hired someone unrestricted by that time line doesn't mean that, 25 days ago, he knew he was hiring Robinson.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:48 PM |
Yeah, I rethought my stance
Yeah, I rethought my stance
Yeah, I rethought my stance after posting that. I guess we'll all have to just wait and see. Here's to hope.
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January 20th, 2009 at 12:32 PM |
Clearly, I'm not thrilled,
Clearly, I'm not thrilled,
Clearly, I'm not thrilled, and tend to think it's a bad move. But, here's hoping that my ignorance of football is once again confirmed.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:43 PM |
I'm not thrilled either, but
I'm not thrilled either, but
I'm not thrilled either, but I tend to think it could work. He has had some success before, so while the shitty years in KC and Syracuse are awful they don't tell the full story.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
January 20th, 2009 at 12:34 PM |
The ultimate MEH hire
The ultimate MEH hire
Spinners go to work! This guy cannot recruit-this from former Syracuse coach with UM ties. Sure hope he can coach.
Our detractors will have a good time with this. No opponent is wincing over this hire. Grinning, yes, but no wincing.
Expect nothing. Blame no one. Do something.
January 20th, 2009 at 9:06 PM |
Don't forget, Syracuse did...
Don't forget, Syracuse did...
...beat Notre Dame in South Bend last year.
"You gotta get it up, or you're not gonna score." - Mickey Redmond
January 20th, 2009 at 12:34 PM |
I concur
I concur
No "wow" factor for me if true. I'm interested in what RichRod will say.
Proud To Be An American But Even Prouder To Be A Wolverine!
January 20th, 2009 at 12:39 PM |
What are the chances that
What are the chances that
What are the chances that this is NOT true?
I don't know much about this reporter, and while he is an "insider", it doesn't mean he has perfectly accurate information. Chitown, any ideas on the true validity of this claim?
January 20th, 2009 at 12:41 PM |
Rivals track record in terms
Rivals track record in terms
Rivals track record in terms of being correct when they pass along news is pretty strong. Scout frequently scoops them, but is also wrong about 70% of the time.
In short - when they post something as "certainty" instead of "speculation", I don't recall them being wrong.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:42 PM |
Is he also being inaugurated today
Is he also being inaugurated today
I gotta say, I had a feeling Vance was the man for the job.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:44 PM |
The guy from "Vance
The guy from "Vance
The guy from "Vance Refrigeration"?
No question, Jim.
January 20th, 2009 at 1:27 PM |
Guess Phyllis wouldn't fit
Guess Phyllis wouldn't fit
Guess Phyllis wouldn't fit into that whole UM Coaches' hot wives theory
January 20th, 2009 at 1:28 PM |
you are correct sir.
you are correct sir.
you are correct sir.
No question, Jim.
January 20th, 2009 at 12:53 PM |
SPIN
SPIN
When Shafer resigned, I posted something like "The unknown can't be worse than the worst defense ever.." or something like that.
So, here we are. Greg Robinson. He definitely has a TON more experience than Shafer did. I think we could have done a lot lot worse here guys. Coached in multiple super bowls, the big 12, the Big East.
I think we need to trust Rodriguez on this one. He did coach against the guy in the Big East for years and I'm sure has pretty extensive knowledge of the guy and what he's done in the past against West Virginia as well as other teams.
For the money the athletic department is willing to part with, this is a great hire. I think we should embrace it and give him a chance to do well. No prejudgement. Trust the ninja football guru. Peanut. Butter. Jelly. Time.
'Murica & Footbaw: That's what Michigan Does
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All right that's out of the way...someone spin it positive.
Super Bowl Rings!!!!!!! Flash em like Fat Charlie Greg