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Assorted thoughts about the demise of the best thing. This was going to be a UV and then it got out of control.

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Iditarod, Fun, Power

The bad thing was handled well

Before we talk about Grantland at its best, let's talk about it at its worst. In January of 2014, Grantland published a story about a transgender golf-club purveyor. The story made a convincing case that this person was a fabulist and crackpot, and then at the end threw in an "oh by the way" that this person had killed themselves. It was clear the reason was at least indirectly this very article that you are reading right now. It was breathtakingly tasteless.

The internet noticed, eventually. The backlash to this story was proof that a lot of people will share a longread™ without actually reading it, so twitter was filled with a series of people saying "what a great story" while their mentions filled up with "did you actually READ this?!?!" over the course of the next few days.

Grantland—and by "Grantland" we are talking about Bill Simmons and whatever inner circle told Bill Simmons to hire all the people he hired—took stock. A few days later they responded in two parts. One was an essay by Christinia Kahrl, a transgender baseball writer for Regular ESPN, that detailed the various ways in which everyone had fucked up. The second was an essay from Simmons himself that detailed exactly what happened and how they had fucked up. While Simmons put his name on it because that was what the situation demanded, it's better—more accurate—to read the thing as a collective document from the inner circle that brought Grantland to life. To my eyes it is appropriately contrite, honest, and forthcoming about things.

There are a ton of media companies that will ignore criticism of their work no matter how clearly shoddy it is in retrospect. Not to invoke the dread specter of politics, but a recent three-part NYT series on immigrant-owned nail salons turns out to be about 110% bullshit; the Times issued some blather about how they stand by the story and moved on. Grantland seemed to take their problems seriously:

Caleb’s biggest mistake? Outing Dr. V to one of her investors while she was still alive. I don’t think he understood the moral consequences of that decision, and frankly, neither did anyone working for Grantland. That misstep never occurred to me until I discussed it with Christina Kahrl yesterday. But that speaks to our collective ignorance about the issues facing the transgender community in general, as well as our biggest mistake: not educating ourselves on that front before seriously considering whether to run the piece.

When confronted with a major issue the impulse at Grantland was to tell everybody exactly what happened and adapt so it doesn't happen again, something that is a distinct late-Gen-X shift in approaches to these things. That'll be the standard way to handle these events in 30 years. Not so much now.

My wife literally wailed about where Brian Phillips was going to go when I told her that the jig was up, and I still think that Grantland at its worst was kind of Grantland at its best.

[After THE JUMP: hiring strikes, it's not about the money, snobbery, and a third way]

They were 100% in my domains of expertise

The crazy thing about Grantland is that they hired all the people I would have hired in the areas where I have enough knowledge to offer a solid opinion: Holly Anderson and Matt Hinton in college football, Brian Phillips for the USMNT and the very important Iditarod and Sumo beats, Chris Brown for technical college and NFL analysis, Mark Titus for college basketball, David Shoemaker for wrestling.

I get the impression that everyone else thinks that. Jeff Moss hates everything and since he'd later add NFL columnist Bill Barnwell to this list…

…his complaint is that except for the things he really cares about Grantland wasn't that great. Even the insults are backhanded.

Shane Ryan, a former Grantlander, wrote an article for Paste in which he detailed the winding road towards his hire in which he struck on something that rings true: after a brief dalliance with his famous friends (Klosterman, Gladwell, etc) Simmons sought out younger versions of himself. He mostly hired the people who were already writing on the internet because it seemed like they had no choice but to do so, and he gave them a platform, and they crushed it.

At least Grantland's editors should have a lucrative second career finding football coaches for college teams. They wouldn't have hired Mike Riley, that much I guarantee.

The money is not why Grantland closed

In the aftermath, a lot of people wailed like my wife, often on the internet. This spawned the usual wave of people putting on their tweed jacket and circular 1880s glasses to declare that mourning the demise of a good thing is dumb because it didn't make money. Clay Travis was ready to dance on Grantland's grave with a bunch of condescending advice about how he made it. You too can be Sports Guy Fieri if you write a bunch of racist jokes and dress up like a lobster. This is supposed to reassure, I guess? The fact that FS1 is a money-losing entity run by an ESPN castoff largely responsible for the disaster that is First Take who also hired Jason Whitlock escapes Travis, because of course it does.

Grantland existed because Bill Simmons wanted it to and Bill Simmons made ESPN a lot of money. Ditto 30 for 30. ESPN is the kind of corporation that has to be brow-beaten by its most prominent talent to produce anything of worth instead of reality shows about eating tarantulas and Stephen A Smith implying that any woman hit by a professional athlete had it coming. It has billions and billions of dollars. Grantland was close enough to breaking even that however much they were in the red was a drop in the bucket at ESPN. OTL and ESPNW exist because ESPN thinks that the money they don't make is worth the marketing impact they have.

You can tell how concerned ESPN was about Grantland's profitability by the number of ads that they placed in their wildly popular podcasts: virtually zero. If it mattered to ESPN for Grantland to be profitable, it would have been. It just didn't matter enough to the bottom line to spend the effort. It only mattered to public perception amongst the group of people who talk a lot and don't like ESPN much.

ESPN cut Grantland because Skipper had such a deep level of personal animosity towards Bill Simmons that he fired the dude in the New York Times. If ESPN valued the site they could have kept it without any issue whatsoever; that they did not speaks to Skipper's general incompetence. People are just in charge of things because they are in charge of them, and it's clear Skipper either doesn't care about or can't identify quality.

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Artest, Ferguson, Nicki

Supremely over the moment Simmons left

Richard Dietsch finally got to talk to Chris Connelly, the guy Skipper tapped to be editor in chief after Simmons's departure. Connelly is able to get through the entire interview without saying anything of substance:

RD: Why did the site ultimately shut down?

CC: Well some of that is not really my determination. I think ESPN has addressed the definitive thoughts on that. My feeling is, for what it is worth, we found ourselves up against new economic realities that maybe had not been foreseen when I took the job. When you are doing a site that you understand is not making money, you kind of understand when times get challenging or there is a new economic climate, you will be scrutinized very closely.

I had a phone call like that once when I worked at Fanhouse. They were on EIC #3, Randy Kim. He was calling everyone up; it took me about ten minutes to reach the conclusion that I was fired whenever they get around to it and Fanhouse was doomed. I basically stopped posting (but still cashed the monthly checks) until they fired me a few months later; Fanhouse went through its "let's hire Mariotti!" phase until someone mercifully bonked it on the head and put it on the cart. I can only assume that most Grantland staffers saw the writing on the wall as soon as Connelly said something like this:

I would say on the sports side I wanted more heart and steel in some of the stuff that we did. Now, it was outstanding, the stuff we did. But I wanted a little of that. On the culture side, maybe a little more [of] how culture is made.

Connelly was there to pet Grantland's head and ask them to talk about the rabbits.

RD: Did you try to convince ESPN management not to close the site?

CC: Sure, yeah. I felt that was my job.

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On sports snobbery

Noted Jon Chait antagonist Fredrick DeBoer had a piece on the site in which he crabbed about a certain snootiness that wafted from the sports side of things, in contrast to the generally exuberant pop culture half:

The rejection of a group of hypothetical cultural elitists on the pop culture side of Grantland was always matched by the rejection of the average, conventional wisdom-spouting fan on the sports side. In this, the site reflected a sea change in the coverage of sports: the nearly universal tendency for sportswriters to now represent their work as an antidote to the bad opinions that, they claim, run the sporting world. This belief is clung to even though the online publications these writers work for long ago eclipsed newspaper beat reporters and columnists in influence. The sports blogger Tom Hitchner wrote recently about the tendency of sports commentators to find random, dumb, uninfluential opinions to dispute, even when those opinions are held by almost no one, simply to represent themselves as the wiser and cooler party. Too often, writers at Grantland played into this tendency, engaging in verbal eye-rolling about the idiocy of those who might disagree with them rather than just making their case.

I linked the Hitchner piece myself when some sporps sites tried to spin the online activities of literal children into a story of Online Harassment At The Gates Of Civilization, but the occasional eye-rolling tone from the Grantland writers is not directed at twitter eggs. It's usually directed at studio shows with massive reach, nationally syndicated talk radio, and the color commentators actually doing the game. All of these things have opinions that are eyeroll worthy, from "he just wanted it more" to "Dominicans are stupid."

There are some instances of what Hitchner calls "egg manning"—the practice of finding or anticipating a strawman argument because twitter literally lets anyone say whatever they want—which do rankle. But Grantland did not exist in a world where mainstream sports commentary was frequently useful or reasonable. Joe Morgan's gone; Pete Rose just showed up. A lot of the frustration they espoused was because they'd made a case before only for someone somewhere to bluster through it with platitudes. (I may have experienced this personally.) The hue and cry at Grantland's shuttering is evidence enough they were fighting a battle that had not been won.

There's no better example of this than Brian Phillips piece on Landon Donovan in the immediate aftermath of his Malaysian vision quest:

So, I mean, not to sound too un–Jim Rome here, but at what point do we let humanity back into sports discourse? Isn’t it possible to get fed up with robotronic superstars who “control the narrative,” meaning warp their whole personas to fit some moistly goateed blood-pressure addict’s notion of how to overcompensate for masculine insecurity? Landon Donovan will never win over the guy who wants soulless cadet-destroyers trampling his favorite sports grass. He is maybe the least laser-sound-effect-friendly fast person in the history of professional athletics. But sadness is a thing people feel. Homesickness is a thing people feel. People are mostly uncool and prone to listen to terrible pop music. People get depressed. It’s normal to make decisions based on this stuff.

Donovan got left off the World Cup team by Jurgen Klinsmann largely because Klinsmann was offended by Donovan's failure to be Aaron Rodgers; Donovan went on to lead the league in assists with a whopping 19 and drive the Galaxy to the MLS title. If Grantland people occasionally sounded like garment-rending Cassandras, well, I saw Brad Davis start a World Cup game because they didn't listen.

A third way

Another inevitable and common take in the aftermath:

Is the future slideshows? Is writing things that never exceed more than 300 words all of our destinies? Because I don’t know anyone in this business that is sitting around his or her home thinking, “Man, I’d really love to aggregate some quick-hitting content that creates engagement across several platforms.”

As an almost completely unemployed sports writer seeing another wave of sports writers that are almost all better than me at this become unemployed, I wonder what’s next for me and the business at-large. Do we all need to start writing for the guys with the Volquez jokes? Is that what sells? I’m all for debate when it’s fun and smart, but are Stephen A. Bayless Shoutfests the only thing that turns a profit? Is there no room for a 4,000-word oral history about the first time Michael Jordan ate a McRib?

I think there is another way, and you're looking at it. MGoBlog is the full-time occupation of three people and has a constellation of paid contributors. Our tentpole content consists of 5,000 word game columns, 10,000 word "Upon Further Review" game breakdowns, 4,000 word breakdowns of upcoming opponents, etc., etc., etc. There are a lot of words.

I was going to talk about how we made that work but that expanded into its own post that'll go up later. I'm just saying: if you pick the right thing and hit it hard and your brother knows his way around a bash shell, you can have yourself a nice career. Just make sure you pick your brother wisely.

On leaving

I get asked sometimes about what happens when I go do something else. The answer is I don't. I have been approached to sell or move the site many times and I've never seriously considered it. Almost all prospective purchasers have no idea why this site is successful, and eventually that would lead to a bunch of overhead I don't want to do, a Simmons diva phase, and then an exit.

Even if the current boss is a good boss, maybe he goes and does something else, and then it's someone else who you don't know and doesn't know you. This is a good setup, one in which the tablecloth doesn't get yanked out on a Friday afternoon. I'd have to be an idiot to change it.

On Grantland

For four years you could type Grantland.com into your browser without having any idea what you could expect other than the fact it would be worth your time.

Comments

bored_id

November 3rd, 2015 at 3:44 PM ^

"For four years you could type Grantland.com into your browser without having any idea what you could expect other than the fact it would  be worth your time."

This.

Dolphonkey

November 3rd, 2015 at 3:45 PM ^

Nicely done as always, Brian. Here and Grantland were my two places I went for consistently quality longform writing on interesting topics. Don't go changing, man. 

Callahan

November 3rd, 2015 at 3:45 PM ^

Along with their fantastic written content, I'll miss the catalog of excellent podcasts that occupied my commute. MGoPod/Radio only gets me through three days. What am I going to do without Barnwell/Mays, Wesley Morris and Cheap Heat? 

JeepinBen

November 3rd, 2015 at 3:52 PM ^

 

Grantland was one of the few sites that I visited daily, including this one. I'm glad that you're happy here Brian, and that you wouldn't want to be another SB Nation writer (although I like them) and that you're your own boss.

Also, aren't there 3 full timers here? Brian, Ace, and Seth? I know he's got his own thing, but hosting Smart Football here until he figures out what's next would be awesome.

Yinka Double Dare

November 3rd, 2015 at 5:09 PM ^

ESPN at least claimed that the sports people would still be doing their sports stuff on the ESPN site through their contracts' end, so I'm guessing Hinton, Lowe, etc may still be there, although I don't know when their respective contracts finish up so who knows.

Or they may just pay them to do nothing, because ESPN.

Braylons Butte…

November 3rd, 2015 at 6:14 PM ^

CBB was my law school classmate--I can tell you he has things figured out. In addition to presiding over the largest and most exclusive Kentucky Derby gala, and practicing law at a very high level, he still somehow finds time to put out the quality Smart Football pieces and take care of his young daughter. 

AC1997

November 3rd, 2015 at 3:58 PM ^

The biggest compliment I can give Grantland is that it made me read about topics I normally wouldn't.  I would go there to read Simmons (I still liked him after it became more popular to hate him), Titus, or Keri and stumble on to a random post about soccer, pop culture, or any other topic.  Sometimes the subject, the over-use of prose and big words, and the length of the columns turned me off, but most times I found myself interested.  

What I will miss most about Grantland beyond the sports is the Game of Thrones content.  During the season they would post three columns, 2 of which were always going to be great. 

Maybe Simmons got a little too full of himself these last couple of years as he grew from "everyman" to "I am a host on the NBA pregame show and hang out with famous people all the time".  But his heart and head were in the right place.  I hope he creates a forum with his piles of money and HBO contract to do something similar.  

SalvatoreQuattro

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:02 PM ^

I don't know why. I appreciate good writing.I read voraciously. But for whatever reason the site never piqued my interest.

Personally, I think Grantland is much better off as an independent webzine unencumbered by corporate/government diktats.Writers are free range creatures by nature. They flourish best when residing in a liberal environment. Perhaps in time the writers of Grantland will re-appear in another site where corporate or fiscal concerns are not relevant.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:14 PM ^

...I was never a huge fan for no more or less a reason than that it seemed to be part of a niche of sports journalism that, while striving to be better than the Joe Bucks of the world, takes sports too seriously.  I understand that sports can be an important part and important reflection of our culture, but mostly they're just young-ish people chasing a ball while we fans cheer like maniacs.  I try not to lose sight of that - I often fail, but I try.

wolverine1987

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:23 PM ^

It seems to me, is that (scale aside) there are enough readers to appreciate its content that it is, yes, profitable. Profitable in this case is generating enough revenue to pay three people plus contributors, including whatever owner's premium Brian has. I don't think that's a dirty word, or an irrelevant consideration. Simply put, despite its fans, including many of us, Grantland's content, good as it was, did not generate anough readers to succeed. We can bash ESPN all we want, or say that the decision was personal--but if it made money, the corporate masters at ESPN would not have allowed Skipper to make a personal decision. Maybe we should at least consider that perhaps there are not enough people in the country interested in long form discussions about the McRib. Possibly the decisions of sports bloggers about what content is engaging to large numbers of fans (and advertisers) are not infallible, or even in touch with the average sports reader? 

MGoBlog suceeds because of a large group of readers who are passionate about what the creator of the site is also passionate about, and they love the content because it reflects that shared passion. They want what he is creating. It seems to me that Grantland did not prove the same thing, despite the admiration from other writers. 

Seth

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:46 PM ^

Grantland was a subsidiary of a gigantic corporation that is itself part of a giga-corp that is publicly traded. Its was suffered to exist because Bill Simmons made them money before and was allowed to go work on his baby. To ESPN it wasn't anything more than a branding element, a thing to say they have highbrow stuff for the highbrow so they can remain the sports leader rather than be pigeonholed into the "Sports for Dummies" site.

To Disney it was lines on a balance sheet. When someone at Disney who reports to the short-term stock price had to do something to justify his position as a C-level person in the face of the first wave of the eventual collapse of the cable industry his company is built on, he made a company mandate to cut jobs everywhere. ESPN had to get names off the balance sheet and the person in charge of there had an axe to grind with Simmons, so he axed Grantland in the shittiest way possible.

MGoBlog is working on an entirely different decision tree. Take the radio. This began with a conversation with UGP when Brian and I were meeting with Rishi regarding Hail to the Victors. We agreed the Huge Show is terrible and that's a prime slot, and he said he'd find it valuable enough to sponsor and that other sponsors would as well, and how much cooler would it be for Michigan fans to have an MGoBlog radio show instead of the Huge Show leading into the coaches show at Pizza House? So we checked out the price to do that, I got enough advertisers onboard to basically cover the cost of it, and now we can talk about Michigan on the radio, and we have good clients with an investment in the Michigan community whom we can help by saying their names on air, and as long as we can keep justifying the cost we can keep doing it.

That's the key difference: the money to us is a means to having jobs where we put out the content we want to. For Disney, the consideration is how few jobs do we need to make the cheapest possible content in order ot maximize the profit margin?

wolverine1987

November 3rd, 2015 at 5:14 PM ^

What you describe has been repeated by every great and small business started by a founder. And you're right, there is a difference between the origin of Grantland and yours. However, that does not mean that financial considerations are immaterial to the decision of whether or not to keep employees or a business going. If readership here got cut in half (God forbid) what jobs would still be safe? Isn't it possible that the ESPN decision was once made for precisely the reason you suggest, but given the newly recognized reality of the media business over the past year, that same decision factor is now irrelevant? As you and Brian have often written, the media business is under fundamental change, and lots of people are going to go out of business in the future--the ones who won't, are those who provide value to their customers, enough value that they are yes, profitable. 

I still submit that even though it is sad, there in fact may not be a big enough audience for Grantland type content, unless it is run in the same fashion MGoBlog is run.

M-Dog

November 3rd, 2015 at 6:19 PM ^

unless it is run in the same fashion MGoBlog is run

There may be some truth to this.  Grantland on its own like MGoBlog may indeed be profitable in the sense of covering the wages of its writers so they can do what they love and do well.

Grantland as a subsidiary of ESPN which is a subsidiary of Disney carries the burden of overhead allocations and other corporate accounting realities.  We don't really know if it was, or could be, inherently profitable.

We only know that it was "unprofitable" (or purposely made to look that way) in terms of internal Disney accounting practices.

Michigan Arrogance

November 3rd, 2015 at 5:15 PM ^

well said here, IMO. The only thing I thought Brain got slightly wrong was that ESPN (or Grantland more specifically) didn't care about them not manking money. No, they liekly weren't losing money and no they weren't making or losing enough to make a dent in the Disney bottom line. HOWEVER, that's not how Disney looks at it- they look at it as why have an outfit that down't make a crap TON of money? B/C if every subsidiary of Disney did that, they stock would skyrocket and everyone would buy more Disney stock and so on. Having a division underperform is the same as having one lose money to them - they need to maximine revanue and to do that, they need to have every piece of the org made a metric crap ton.

sundaybluedysunday

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:22 PM ^

To me, the amazing thing about Grantland was that I pretty much hated everything Bill Simmons wrote over the last several years. But the guy had an incredible eye for identifying and fostering talent and that was enough to win me over and get me to Grantland 5-10 times a week.

StephenRKass

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:33 PM ^

Great reflective piece. Thank you, Brian. The truth is, I am pretty Michigan centric. As such, I only sporadically went to Grantland. Maybe it was my antipathy toward all things ESPN. Anyway, the piece on Nikki was fascinating and stunning. Especially as the father of a 14 year old boy on the local high school football team, I see so much of this behavior. I'm tired of MSM knuckleheads messing things up, but I expect it now. Brandon, ESPN, et. al. I subscribed to Newsweek for years, but was sad when I saw better writers leave. I'm glad you are sticking around this blog you started, at least for now.

mdp86

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:38 PM ^

I do want to comment that actually Grantland's wrestling stuff was real bad. Shoemaker lacked basic knowledge of WWE's product and had wildly inaccurate takes on how popular it is/the business behind it. It was pretty laughable analysis for anyone who knows anything about it. Of course, it's such a nerdy/embarrassing thing to know about that I assume most people were just content with anything remotely serious coverage wise.

treetown

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:52 PM ^

1. Being good at anything is hard. It is much easier to wake up, skim the internet, go into work and shout at your co-workers for a few hours.

2. It is much easier to put on a good superficial shell.

3. Owning up to mistakes and dealing with them head on is nearly always best in the long run.

4. No organization will be good simply because of its name, history or legacy. ESPN was once the honest and truly world-wide leader in sports. It really was. ONCE upon a time in a galaxy far far away. But the leadership got lazy and cynical. The preference to air shouting heads or braying guffawlers isn't just a financial one it is very deep cynical one. It shows that at the core, the leadership really doesn't care about sports, and in fact sneers at and holds the viewers in contempt.

Great site. Keep up the good work. I believe we might be lucky enough to see a dawn of a new great era in Michigan Football.

blueinuk

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^

Since reading Endzone, I've often wondered about how often Brian merely has his finger on the pulse of the fanbase and how often he actually helps create the dominant culture of it.  

To (accurately) quote Forrest Gump i think, 'Maybe both is happening at the same time.'

It's a really unique ability and I think this article shows us why:  Brian believes in his stuff.  But he also believes in his ability to screw it all up for the shallow reward of fame.  

Thanks Brian!

 

 

jsquigg

November 3rd, 2015 at 4:56 PM ^

......Mgoblog is still the best sports blog on the internet.  SB Nation is meh at best and no one else has perfected the format that mgoblog has here.  Oh, and if you have the itch to write something and you do it well, it can be front paged!!!!  Kudos to Brian and the past, present, and future mgoblog editors/moderators/contributers, because life would suck without this site.

DM2009

November 3rd, 2015 at 5:17 PM ^

Overall, I am also sad to see Grantland go, and I think this is an excellent article. But I don't think it is the shangri-la of writing a lot of people think it is.

The biggest thing that I thought it lacked was a decent writer on European soccer. The US national team articles were definitely great, but there was no depth in the soccer coverage outside of that. I remember reading preview articles about games and rolling my eyes at how superficial, cliche, and often inaccurate, they were. Simmons should have tried to get someone like Michael Cox or Jonathan Wilson on board to handle that.

Bill Simmons' articles dragged the site down. I think he should have focused on being an editor and doing other stuff. His articles on the site were nowhere near as good as they were when he was on page 2 at ESPN.com. His self-indulgent mailbags and NBA trade rankings really stand out as mediocre content on that site.

Similarly, I am not a fan of Bill Barnwell. He was probably the site's most prolific writer, but I never found him insightful. I distinctly remember one article he tried to write about game theory and bad coaching decisions, but it got into no depth (no winning % added analysis, for example). It was just Bill Barnwell pontificating on NFL coaching decisions on his own whims. Great opportunity for an article there that was really left wanting.

All that said, a ton of my favorite sportswriters were on that site. So it does leave a void. Hopefully something else can come along to do something like this. It was great to have Grantland and always be able to find something worthwhile on there to read, which is not the case with the vast majority of websites out there.

DM2009

November 3rd, 2015 at 8:24 PM ^

No, but they gave the biggest billing to the shitiest articles, in my view. That undermines its credibility as a place that is supposed to stand out as unique for having good articles. It's like hiring, I don't know, Jason Whitlock, to run a site for black writers. Or having someone write articles here who does nothing but say O$U and suckeyes. Of course you don't have to click it, but that's the point I'm making.

I am definitively NOT a Simmons fan, though. I think his best work now is done behind the scenes.

Everyone Murders

November 3rd, 2015 at 5:42 PM ^

In the follow-up to the Dr. V story (and I read the original putter story, enjoyed it, and had no idea that it would end up being so explosive - like a lot of Americans I'm still learning about the transgender community and the challenges they face in most of the world), Simmons takes the hit.  And in doing so, he summed up the essence of Grantland at its best:

OK, so what makes something "worth it"? For 32 months and counting, we haven't made any effort whatsoever to chase page views or embarrass people for rubberneck traffic. We want to distinguish ourselves by being thoughtful and entertaining. We want to keep surprising people. We want to keep taking risks. That's one of the reasons why we created Grantland. As the Great John Wooden once said, "If you're not making mistakes, you're not doing anything." Every mistake we've made, we've learned from it.

Low Key Recidivist

November 3rd, 2015 at 6:24 PM ^

There's a fit (and a desire) somewhere for a Grantland type site, something on a more grand scale than regional Blogs, but Disney, Fox etc. isn't it.  They simply don't get the genre, the culture or the customer.  

It wouldn't require a lot of capital investment either.  Will be interesting to see how this metamorphs over the next few years.

Swayze Howell Sheen

November 3rd, 2015 at 7:50 PM ^

and I do agree: this site is the ways sports journalism should be done, for each and every team out there. the hard part to replicate: one Brian Cook.

All of that said, bash? Come on man, zsh or something the cool kids are using like fish is the way to go.

 

:)

smwilliams

November 3rd, 2015 at 8:04 PM ^

Brian, you are missing out on a great opportunity to really increase your brand visibility across multiple platforms by not embracing current marketing trends.

Have you thought about a sponsor that isn't Ann Arbor real estate?

MGoBlog Presented by Coke Zero.

What about MGoBlog merchandise? I know a handful kids of who would love to play with Talkin' Brian Cook. Hear him break down the difference between power and zone!

 

Genzilla

November 3rd, 2015 at 9:58 PM ^

Seriously, thank you for the work you guys do.  I've been reading Mgoblog since I was in middle school, I'm 24 now.  

There are few things in the world that keep your attention for 10+ years.

JBLPSYCHED

November 3rd, 2015 at 10:05 PM ^

I for one believe Simmons when he says Grantland was about creating thoughtful and entertaining content and "taking risks" (aka doing it unlike anyone else--including at great length). I think he earned the opportunity by proving his ability to find and sustain an enormous audience. Do I think ESPN (or Disney) cared if Grantland was profitable? Probably not. Simmons has made it clear numerous times that Grantland wasn't promoted. Like Brian wrote, there were almost no ads on the podcasts.

For me what really mattered was finding interesting, unique, funny, and provocative longform writing about the sports and culture/entertainment topics that I care about. I skipped the stuff I don't care about--which I suspect they knew most people would do. They had the staff and the chops to create enough content across enough areas of sports and entertainment that the numbers added up to a sizeable audience. ESPN/Disney simply chose not to exploit the opportunity, either because they don't care enough or had another agenda or whatever.

MGoBlog is a completely different animal IMHO. The content is wonderful and extremely personal for all of us here, I grew up sitting in section 21 row 82 and it's not easy to capture or inform my knowledge and experience as a Michigan fan. But this is no doubt my #1 go-to site for Michigan football info, opinions, and scoop. But I think the unique value of this site goes beyond Brian, Seth, Ace, and the other writers' content. It's in the audience and the passion with which we (you) all voice your opinions and argue and berate one another and we all know we're members of one big M community.

Sorry to blather on like the middle aged guy I am--but this place is special. And I've looked around the internet a little bit--there's nowhere else like it.

pdgoblue25

November 4th, 2015 at 9:42 AM ^

Inserting his political opinions into his writing.  I still went to Grantland though because I could always find something to read, especially Zach Lowe and then Titus during the NCAA tournament was always gold.

That's the main reason why I enjoy MGOBLOG so much.  No Politics is the greatest rule in the history of rules.  It's the reason that ESPN is on a downward trend.

WolverineRage

November 4th, 2015 at 10:28 AM ^

Brian has summed up very well the demise of a site that I now sorely miss.

 

That last paragraph alone was the perfect summation.  Whenever I was looking to kill time, I knew I could go to Grantland and find something entertaining to read.  One of the original pieces there that locked it in was a story on stadium design here in the U.S. (very industrial) to stadium design elsewhere (much more organic).  It was fascinating and was about sports without actually being about sports.  It was the kind of article I could get a non-sports fan to read and discuss it with them.

 

As a TV junkie Andy Greenwald was a particular favorite and if you follow him on Twitter, you got an explanation of why Grantland was so good.  They had one main policy: no assholes.  He said that journalism is frequently an industry where people get ahead on the backs of others and the Grantland staff worked hard to let people be themselves and write what they wanted to write.

 

When I had a break at work on Monday I was going to fire up Grantland and then sighed because I knew it wouldn't be there.

Asgardian

November 4th, 2015 at 11:29 AM ^

1. Simmons has always been a great "Entrepreneur" when it comes to sports journalism, and a pretty terrible "Employee" in terms of being able to get along with his bosses.

http://deadspin.com/390425/simmons-certain-promises-were-not-kept

2. Grantland was dead the day that Simmons time at ESPN ended.  There was not going to be institutional support from Day One unless it turned into another Simmons idea that made money (like 30 for 30).

3. Grantland had some great writers, but you can add me to the pile that 'didn't get it' with the non-sports / pop culture content.

4. This is not the first time a dynamic writer split with his original platform. (Ezra Klein & WonkBlog/Vox.com, and Kara Swisher/Walt Mossberg & All Things D (WSJ)/Re/code come to mind as recent examples).