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Brian

9/20/2014 – Michigan 10, Utah 26 – 2-2

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We have a grainy screenshot that symbolizes the demise of the Carr era. It's a zone stretch against Ohio State on which every Buckeye has slashed through the Michigan line.

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Michigan would trundle to fewer than 100 yards of total offense. Chad Henne's shoulder was separated and he was still the best available option because the only other was a freshman version of Ryan Mallett who fumbled 20% of the under-center snaps he took and got in screaming matches on the sideline. That's because the quarterbacks recruited after Chad Henne were Jason Forcier and David Cone.

By the time that Ohio State game rolled around Michigan had desperately talked Alex Mitchell out of retirement so they could start him. In that context that shot is barely surprising. And then Carr went out and beat Tim Tebow, because nobody got off the mat like Lloyd Carr.

We have just received the grainy screenshot that will symbolize the demise of the Hoke era.

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As you've no doubt screamed into a pillow about already, there are ten men on the field as Utah returns a punt for a touchdown. I'm not sure that even matters since two of them are within 30 yards of the guy when he catches the ball.

This site has been complaining about the punting since Hoke's hire, and it has cost Michigan dearly in two losses—Ace Sanders also returned a punt for a touchdown in South Carolina's last-gasp Outback win—and seen Michigan dawdle at the bottom of punt return yards ceded the last two years.

Worse than the yards given up has been Brady Hoke's approach when challenged about it. Never has he given a justification that's even remotely plausible. Once he said he wasn't comfortable with it. At the time I said this was a crappy answer, and it remains a crappy answer:

MGoFollowup: What’s your opinion of the spread punt formation vs. the traditional punt formation?

“Uh, we don’t use it.”

MGoFollowup: Is there a rationale for that?

“I think, you know … I’m more comfortable with what we use. That’s the rationale.”

When pressed a couple weeks ago he said "I don't want to talk about it."

As we get more data about Brady Hoke's tenure that seems less like an isolated crappy answer than the whole damn thing. Anybody with a spreadsheet and an ability to tell up from down could have put compelling evidence of the spread punt's efficacy in front of Hoke's face. Maybe they did.

It wouldn't have mattered. Brady Hoke isn't defending it, so you can't argue back. "We don't do it because we don't do it" is an unassailable position. It is not a rationale.

So it goes. Michigan has settled into a pattern of doing nonsense things, from everything on offense last year to the punting to their continuing, shocking inability to go faster than a waddle. That stat from last week about how Michigan was faster than only Army amongst D-I teams is astounding. Michigan had spent an entire half down three scores, and their tempo was still nationally worst. These things all come from the head coach.

When Michigan goes down by ten, it's over. Lloyd Carr isn't walking through that door. You want to talk leadership and toughness? Leadership turns a mob into an army. And Michigan is no army.

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The worst thing is I don't really feel that bad. My main problem at the moment is the fact that I have to write this column, and then somehow eight more, and analyze a team that is unlikely to go anywhere and talk about a coach who is 95% dead man walking. I bet you can't wait for "Yup, Almost Certainly Still Fired: Episode VI". Here is the otter.

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HENRI THE OTTER OF ENNUI: this does not break the record for earliest appearance

I fired off some hot takes in the stands, as did large numbers of the people around me, but once I was out of the stadium it was like "okay, now I can go do something else."

I even watched football after! A Michigan loss is supposed to be a weekend-ruining event that makes the idea of watching more football an impossibility. Now it's not a big deal, possibly because I don't recognize whatever Michigan is doing as football. I cannot be reminded of Michigan when turning on Clemson-FSU because Clemson and FSU aren't playing sludgefart.

I know this isn't an aging and maturing thing because 1) obviously and 2) I almost died just a few months ago when Kentucky hit that three-pointer. There's just nothing there to care about. So you show up, and you shrug, and you get annoyed, and then you go home. Sometimes you get wet. Meh.

It was appropriate that Hoke's downfall came amidst a biblical deluge. The Hoke era started with one against Western Michigan. The game was over when the lightning came, but I stayed. A bunch of students did, too, roaring and chanting. When the game was over the stadium was still half-full.

There was no thought of that Saturday. Everyone except the players' parents, Utah fans, and the clinically insane cleared out as soon as the stoppage was announced. Maybe half of them had already exited before the lightning hit.

When Michigan returned to play in front of the obligated and deranged, it looked like the future had finally been created.

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[Bryan Fuller]

Take the cosmic hint.

When Can We Fire This Guy Section

There is still a small (very small) chance that Michigan pulls its collective head from its collective rear and gets to 9-3, at which point a transition is probably not happening. Anything short of that and it's goodbye. Hoke is at the point where you extend or fire him and you can't extend a guy who went 8-4 in the worst Big Ten ever, presumably went 0-3 against major rivals, had at least two humiliating blowouts starring coaching incompetence.

But please don't bring up a midseason canning. Those are reserved for severe breakdowns of authority. Most importantly, firing Hoke now erases any chance there's a new athletic director by the time Michigan embarks on a coaching search.

Awards

10566201464_87532d4f9c_zJohn Beilein Being Good At Coaching Points Of The Week.

#1 Jourdan Lewis had an outstanding game, chasing things down that other people screwed up and hunting Utah wide receivers like they were weakened alpacas.

#2 Willie Henry scored Michigan's only touchdown and was part of a forceful Michigan defensive line.

#3 Devin Funchess powered through an obvious injury to bring in a number of spectacular catches and would have had an even more impactful game if Gardner was not having one of the worst games of his career.

Honorable mention: Ryan Glasgow, Frank Clark, Brennen Beyer.

Epic Double Point Standings.

7: Devin Funchess (#1, APP, #1 ND, #3 UT)
5: Jourdan Lewis (#2 MIA, #1 UT)
4: Willie Henry(#2 ND, #2 UT)
3: Derrick Green(#1 MIA)
2: Devin Gardner (#2, APP)
1: Ryan Glasgow (#3, ND), Brennen Beyer(#3 MIA)
0.5: Kyle Kalis (T3, APP), Ben Braden (T3, APP)

Trey Burke Against Kansas Of The Week.

For the single individual best moment.

FAT GUY TOUCHDOWN

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mr henry this is an internet meme it's not my fault please don't destroy me [Fuller]

For all the good it did. ESPN briefly gave Michigan 12 points they were so astounded, which should be the FAT GUY TD rule.

Honorable mention: Nope!

Epic Double Fist-Pumps Past.

AppSt: Derrick Green rumbles for 60 yards.
ND: Nothing.
MIA: Derrick Green scores a goal line touchdown without being so much as touched.
Utah: Willie Henry FAT GUY TOUCHDOWN.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Worst. Event. Ever. This Week.

Miami takes back a punt 66 yards after Michigan obliges with a line drive punt and two gunners. Oh, and they only put ten guys on the field.

Honorable mention: Interceptions. Fumbles. Hellacious rain. Everything.

PREVIOUS EPBs

AppSt: Devin Gardner dares to throw an incomplete pass.
ND: Countess nowhere to be found on fourth and three.
Miami: You did what to Funchess now when?
Utah: lol ask Brady about punt formations again

[After the JUMP: woo! naw just kiddin'.]

Offense

Thing you'll remember not very fondly about the Hoke Era #1: Quarterback handling. Denard Robinson regressed. Devin Gardner appears to be regressing. Their random guess at a quarterback their first year turned out to be a bad idea, and then they skipped a quarterback the next year. Shane Morris is still just a sophomore but early returns are alarming, and he's not a redshirt freshman because of the baffling decision to not take a QB the year before him.

The most important position on the field was fobbed off to a guy with a negative track record, who proceeded to do what his track record always said he would.

Thing you'll remember not very fondly about the Hoke Era #2: "trying" to come back into a game by huddling with ten minutes left. Michigan literally huddled with ten minutes left down 16 points, twice in a row. On plays where they did not huddle, Morris was still snapping the ball with 8 or 10 seconds on the playclock. Tempo has always been a disaster under Hoke, and always will be. This goes well beyond run of the mill dinosaur ball into Ferentz-level clock atrocity.

But they can sneak it now. Wave your tiny flags.

Thing you'll remember not very fondly about the Hoke Era #3: the f-ing punting. But I already addressed that and this is the offense section.

Thing you'll remember not very fondly about the Hoke Era #4: allergy to sense. Michigan kept checking whether Denard Robinson was a pro-style quarterback, found out the answer was still GOD NO WHY EVEN ASK THIS, and then resumed grudgingly deploying him on the ground for ludicrous efficiency. Presented with even the vaguest semblance of a pro-style guy they have just about completely excised the idea of a quarterback run. When they have Devin Gardner.

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juuuuuust a bit outside [Fuller]

No defense this time. Gardner was terrible. This throw to Funchess got criticized because he was "triple covered" but the play was there to be made; Funchess caught a ball way behind him only to see a defensive back a couple yards out of position rake it out. That was typical. Gardner missed, and kept missing, and continued to miss.

Sometimes he made bad decisions, like on the interception that sealed his benching. Mostly was just missing his guys. I know that some folks on twitter and Spielman took shots at Funchess on the slant interception that he tried to grab with one hand, but even if you think his effort there was substandard the fact remains that a slant was well outside of the comfortable catching radius of the biggest wide receiver in the country. A slant. That is a simple throw to put on the guy's numbers and it was botched.

Ace and Nick Baumgardner have both suggested that he was so short and wobbly with his throws that they wouldn't be surprised if Gardner was hurt in some way. I'll have to take a look myself. In the absence of evidence that will not be forthcoming the obvious conclusion is that Gardner just sucked. I don't know man. You expect people to progress, and they certainly do on the defensive line. Other places not so much. The Peter Principle is real.

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Not the answer. Shane Morris came in and looked like a true sophomore who missed his senior year of high school and spent his freshman year getting anti-coaching. He is not the answer right now; he's going to have to be next year but one of the reasons we have been downplaying the idea that Morris would replace Gardner is that he is even more turnover-prone. He's your only backup QB who's even vaguely viable this year. Good planning.

Offensive line: a step back. This game felt a lot different than the Notre Dame game, where holes were there to be had. In this one it seemed like there was a winged helmet chasing a Ute back to the backs or QB, and that when Michigan was getting pounded at the line it was because there wasn't anything there.

Defense

WELP. They had one bad drive to start the second half and were otherwise somewhere between great and very good, again holding an opponent under 300 yards only to end up on the wrong side of a blowout.

You could argue that the defensive performance in the Notre Dame game was deceptive because the game got out of hand by halftime; that is not an argument you can apply here. The defense gave up a net 12 points, and three of those came on a 14-yard drive. That is an outstanding performance.

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Hello Mr. Lewis. Jourdan Lewis had a breakout game, tracking down the Utah screen that was the large bulk of their first-half production and single-handedly saving four points. He was over the top of all attempted fade routes even though he was going up against a couple of good wideouts, and he had a couple of pass breakups. It was a statement outing. He should be a starter until that proves to be a mirage, if in fact it ever does.

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Glasgow jammin' things up real good [Fuller]

Ryan Glasgow's probably just good. Utah returned their lead back, QB, and three OL from a high-quality rushing offense that averaged 5 yards an attempt last year; Michigan held them to 3.3 even after you remove sacks. This is a team effort of course but it all starts with the nose tackle and there is a reason Glasgow is fending off all challengers.

Safety issues. Michigan's sole touchdown ceded came on a mesh route on which no one was particularly close to Utah's best receiver. That felt like a safety issue with the corners bailing deep, and Michigan was down to Jeremy Clark and Dymonte Thomas at that point—the only scholarship safeties on the roster. Thomas has supposedly been erratic in practice and I wonder if forcing him into action was the cause of some of those problems.

But yes also factor that in to the defensive performance: Michigan is down their best safety while giving up 12 net points.

Ross reclaims his job. Have to wonder what the coaching staff saw in Royce Jenkins-Stone that caused them to make a switch at the SAM spot; RJS blew a couple plays against Miami in his first extended playing time and Ross made a couple against Utah.

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[Fuller]

They were a little fortunate. Michigan got RPSed hard on the above wheel route that featured Mario Ojemudia making a valiant but futile attempt to cover a 30-yard wheel route. The ball would zip through the receivers' hands. That'll happen.

SIDE NOTE: check the attendance in the upper section above. There's another three sections to the left of your picture that were similarly empty.

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Best And Worst:

Worst-est:  This is Michigan Football

For Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke, this is the perfect embodiment of football.  No, not the losses, but that's secondary.  To both of them, this brand of Michigan football is a perverse homage to a bygone era in football when men were men and you won because of grit and heart and having institutional advantages over smaller programs due to years of recruiting tactics, demographics, and inertia.  It's stupid punting formations, always huddling without any sense of urgency, the 100k attendance record, and wringing every last possible dollar out of a fanbase that for decades was all too happy to do so if you stroked its ego and won 8 or more games a year.  The Michigan that we all see on the field isn't what most of us want, but it's what the hive mind in Schembechler Hall thinks is good for business in Ann Arbor, and so nobody with the power to change it wants to right the boat.  And that's a f'ing tragedy, because the lights are going out and Jack ain't coming to put UM on a door until the rescue party arrives.

Michigan isn't what it was, and "what it was" was never how a certain subset of the fanbase, including apparently this administration, remembers it.  I know it is blasphemy to question the "fabled" history of UM football, but since the 1940s Michigan has been the definition of a high-level "plugger", the type of team that won games by showing up and beating the teams they should and losing to the teams they should by following a simple script.  And yet as the game kept changing, Michigan remained its anachronistic self, buffered somewhat by this conference's stupidity-sealed bubble that talks about competing nationally while the University of Kentucky out-recruits everyone not named Michigan, OSU, or Nebraska and hiring every mediocre MAC coach with a pulse while the rest of college football laughs and points.

Inside The Box Score relates things a nine year old said during the game:

"That doesn't help at all."
* Referring to Nussmeier's decision to run the ball on 2nd and 22. The play gained zero yards. BRING BACK BORGES! (/ducks for cover.)

"Another huddle? Really?"
* Seriously, my son actually said that. I don't think he reads MGoBlog, and I hadn't said anything about tempo or huddling. So if a 9-year old can watch Utah succeeding with pace, watch Michigan plodding along, and gets exasperated at the huddling, why can't Brady figure this out?

jhackney has a column as well:

Tonight, The Utes brought a thorough spiritual cleansing to Ann Arbor in unusual style.

Instead of arid air or peep stones, They brought a torrential downpour that cleaned out the already depopulated Big House and a long moment of clarity for Michigan, its coaches, and fans. Shortly after Hoke and Mattison got done arguing over who executed getting off the field least, the team was in the locker room for over an hour to sit there and realized that they were down 16 points to a vastly mediocre team.

Elsewhere

Need a pick-me-up?

HSR on the Mandate of Heaven:


I think it's very hard to see positives in a loss when you're soaking wet.  It's even harder when you misplace your keys for 45 minutes in the Liberty Square parking structure*.  But, at some point, when in the cold and the wet, you realize that the team you love is in a treadmill of despair and ineptitude, and what's worse, you don't see a way out.

The graphic above is a simplified version of the dynastic cycle as understood in ancient China.  When you teach World History, you become very familiar with imperial decline.  Football empires are not that different.  You change a few words in that graphic, and well, it's very clear that it can apply to college football programs as well.

Nussmeter didn't go so well. MVictors with a timely Bump Elliott interview. Sap's Decals:

Devin Funchess – There is an old Canadian Hockey saying about getting or giving a “Hotel Dieu Pass” to or from one of your teammates. That means your inaccurate pass caused one of your teammates to get laid out and lit up, to the point where they have to be taken off on a stretcher and taken to the local hospital. (Hotel Dieu is a common Canadian Hospital name.)

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What that pass did, aside from Funchess taking a wicked shot, was jack up Utah even more. When you get a freebie to lay out one of the stars from the other team, you have just incited the feeding-frenzy to begin. So while it was just one incomplete pass, it was MUCH more than that. It was Utah’s cue to come after Michigan for more. I commend Funchess for staying in the game and making two huge catches after that hit. Devin Gardner, you owe Funchess a dinner, and an apology.

Compare and contrast Nebraska enthusiasm to Michigan.

Kickoff at Michigan:

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Those are not students above the concourse, those are the ex-student tickets that Brandon is trying to sell for any price.

MGoVideo:

The saddest thing on Saturday wasn’t anything that happened on the field. It was the Michigan sideline. I didn’t mind Hoke and Mattison going at it. I was glad to see them both fired up. But the players on the sideline all looked like they just wanted to go home. They looked like they’d quit. Then the rain came and 100,000-ish quit. In the end, some say the band played their full postgame show in an empty stadium, but nobody knows for sure.

It wasn’t that long ago that the chance of getting struck by lightning while watching Michigan football seemed, well, fair enough. Lately, it isn’t worth the risk.

Touch The Banner:

Are injuries a problem? I feel like injuries are a problem. I know every team goes through injuries, but it seems that Michigan's star player(s) get hurt every year. Devin Funchess got hurt in the second game and was still limping around in this one with an ankle injury that may linger for a while. Starting tight end Jake Butt is playing less than the ideal number of snaps because of his ACL recovery. Jabrill Peppers got hurt in week one, missed the Notre Dame game, and seemed to disappear for a stretch this game. Starting cornerback Raymon Taylor got hurt against the Fighting Irish and has yet to return. Both guys who were presumed to start at safety - Jarrod Wilson and Delano Hill - have missed extended time due to injuries. "Starting" linebacker Desmond Morgan has missed the last couple games, too. I would not say that the Wolverines have been devastated by injuries, but they aren't at full speed, either.

Mattison and Hoke had it out late in the first half. The issue:

There stood Brady Hoke, his arms folded and nearly 10 yards away from defensive coordinator Greg Mattison. They both looked away as if they were high school students who wanted nothing to do with each other.

The Michigan head coach had pulled Mattison back before he yelled, “get off the f-----g field” and the pair argued with each other.

He called it a “discussion,” but that’s probably not what having dinner looks like.

Cumong man:

Numbers: Michigan now 4-8 in last 12 games, outscored by 50 points in first half of 8 losses

Little things.

Comments

Kfojames

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:08 PM ^

Hoke is to Football what Amaker was to our basketball program. Very good recruiter but a terrible developer of talent. Good upstanding people but for whatever reason just don't have the gumption to get it done in AA. Let's go get our John Beilien of the gridiron!

RunTheReverse

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:13 PM ^

Stunning insight from my newly-into-football wife after the missed Funchess slant:

Wife: Do you think Funchess likes Gardner?

Me: I donno, why?

Wife: Well, sometimes he just sucks at throwing him the ball.

Hilarious and depressing at the same time.

Skapanza

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:14 PM ^

Loved the dynastic cycle as a history teacher. I also feel for the band, having played postgame after 2007 App st and Oregon. At least we beat Florida that year...

Shop Smart Sho…

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

We have the perfect candidate to take over already on staff.  

Give Mattison the HC coaching job.  Keep the staff together for the rest of the year.  

At the end of the year, if there is improvement, offer the job to Mattison full-time.  It probably keeps Nuss here too, especially if Mattison goes completely hands-off on the offense.  When Nuss was hired, people kept talking about him not getting the autonomy he wanted at Alabama, so if he was promised that, he wouldn't have a reason to leave.  To prove it to him, after the season let him be involved in any staff replacements he wants on his side of the ball.  I'm guessing Funk and Jackson will quickly be "retired" to a cushy job in the athletic department to run out their contracts.

This should have a minimal impact on the recruiting class, and it allows for the continuity that I think we're all dying for.  The biggest problem with a coaching change is the loss of recruits, transfers, and any major shift in philosphy.

Doing it this way also gives the President and Regents time to shitcan Brandon and find a replacement.

PAproudtoGoBlue

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^

So you're saying we won't make the playoffs? I love Michigan football but it isn't Michigan football we're getting. I like Hoke as a recruiter and 'up-holder' of all things Michigan. As a coach though I believe he's maxed out his potential.  Mattison has the D ranked #8 nationally in total defense. That's w/ a 31-0 L and 26-10 L and we aren't even competitive now. I hate to say it because I don't clammer for coaches to get the axe but Hoke may be the issue. His teams aren't prepared for games, his QB didn't identify the Mike until this year and he has all the talent you could ask for.  What needs to happen? Last year I said we were young and needed a year to develop. We actually have become harder to watch, tougher to explain to my GF why I take the occasional saturday off work Sept-Nov.  Ten more games of hoping after  7years of hoping just seems to much to ask for.  

bstaub32

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:21 PM ^

Hoke is a defensive guy and the defense is #8 in the country. We don't have a senior on the two deep OL or a senior at any skill position other than Gardner ( who is our BIGGEST problem). We want to blame Hoke in year 4, why aren't we blaming Gardner in his 5th season. He just looks terrified out there.

bstaub32

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

Who's going to replace Hoke? I  remember DB flying all over the country in a private jet and EVERYONE turning down the job. DB didn't make a bad decision getting Hoke, he made a bad decision getting rid of RR on the upswing (as we won the Sugar Bowl the next year).

UMVAFAN

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:04 PM ^

but getting rid of him might not have been a bad decision. We'll never know. The offense was on the right track and was steadily getting up to the level of RichRod's WVU offenses. The defensive side of the ball was a complete trainwreck, but as we saw in 2011 under Mattison, it wasn't completely hopeless. Maybe RR just needed to hire a DC and let that person run it with near autonomy. Maybe Brandon offered this up and RichRod stubbornly refused, or maybe RichRod refused because he wanted out at UM with the way he was treated, or maybe Brandon wanted to get RR out at all costs. We'll never know, but I think he deserved one more year.

 

Hannibal.

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

Any doubt that firing RichRod was the right decision should have evaporated the moment that he showed up at Arizona with Tony Gibson in tow.  It took another year of his defense being a complete laughingstock for him to finally wake the fuck up. 

There was no improvement coming in 2011 with RichRod. 

7jacks

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^

You're not going to win games with our QB play this year.  That's kinda the bottom line.  Personally, I've been relatively pleased with the O Line improvement and the defense improvement.  It's hard to judge the WR's when only one per play gets looked at.  I don't want to pile on a kid like Devin, but we're talking here about why the team is bad.  He's been awful.  Even when he's had good games, he's been pretty bad.  Complete passes are still bad throws.  The major problem is that Shane is far from ready as well.  Call it bad coaching (some), or bad luck (sure wish he hadn't missed a year of football), but it is what it is.  I have a hard time blaming Hoke for the qb struggles, and as far as I can tell the MAJOR issue with the team is the QB.  Yes, Hoke/Nuss could go spread or even shotgun more often, but it's not what we hired.  And we knew what we hired.  Disclaimer...I didn't blame Rich Rod for going spread the first year without the personnel, either.  A coach is going to coach his way, for the most part.  They have a hiring process, and they (I'm sure) let it be known what they're trying to accomplish.  Devin is not Hoke's type of QB, and I can't totally blame either Devin or Hoke for that.  I hate to preach patience, and Hoke certainly has flaws (tempo and punting), but he also has turned a defense around and seems to recruit well.  I know, I know...it's all Mattison.  But seriously, you can't give all the credit to the D coordinator and none to the coach...then turn and blame the coach for the offense.  I would think a D Line coach would have more of a hand in the defense than offense, anyway)  That's kind of insane.  Bottom line, I thought we'd lose to ND, MSU, OSU, and I thought Utah was a tossup.  I didn't expect the ass-hammerings that we took...but I also expected our QB to look much, much better.  You can put that on Hoke if you'd like, and his performance is absolutely fireable.  Personally, I'd like to wait, just once(!), to see what a coach of ours looks like with all of his personnel.  I know we've had several recruiting classes, but we're still not playing with a QB this regime recruited (and has experience)...and from what I've seen this year, QB seems to be a fairly important piece.  Sorry for the ramble, and sorry for feeling like I think patience is the play here (worst possible time for that take, I bet).  Neg bomb away, boys. 

Indiana Blue

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^

Yes this is the issue - zero QB play (actually negative when you consider turnovers).  If we score points this entire "explosion" wouldn't even exist.

I may be wrong - but Shane is not a Hoke recruit either, is he?   I thought he essentially committed during his junior year in HS.  What ever - if we had a stud QB things would be very different right now.

Go Blue!

Drbogue

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:25 PM ^

The problem with Dave Brandon and most "administrators" is that they feel as though they always to to improve upon something or else, why do they have a job? As a doc, I see this everyday - changes to justify ones existence. Unfortunately the micromanaging of the "game day experience" has ignored the only thing that really matters: a good team to root for. I do not care one bit for the fly overs, the music, the celebration when the team that takes the field is woefully I equipped to do so.

The problem with administrators is that when you fire one, you have to hire another one to take their place.

Blue Balls Afire

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:26 PM ^

For those old enough to remember, is this not the Gerry Faust era at ND?  Great guy, great recruiter, just couldn't win.  As someone else mentioned on these boards, I so desperately want Brady Hoke to succeed.  Not just because that would mean Michigan is succeeding, but also because he's a man of integrity and just what college football needs, but dammit, I've reached the point where I can't stomach being let down . . . again.  After Hoke's first season, they've never failed to underwhelm, to under-achieve, to find new ways to not meet expectations.  I had Michigan putting up 35 points against the Yoots--not even close.  I'm still going to watch every down of every Michigan game for the rest of my life, but the way things are going, that may not be too long.  Go blue and pass the scotch.  Okay, I feel better now.  Stepping away from the cliff . . .

MileHighWolverine

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^

"Most importantly, firing Hoke now erases any chance there's a new athletic director by the time Michigan embarks on a coaching search."

 

Unforunately, I think you just gave DB a terrible idea....firing Hoke mid-season might be the only way he saves his job as no one else is going to come in and start as AD mid football season. He'd be the only one "qualified" enough to run the search.

 

cstrable

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:29 PM ^

I am sad. Fire Dave Brandon. Hire someone? Or no one. Curious as to whether Hoke would like to stay on the staff as DL coach when he's fired. (Not that I'm calling for his head, but it seems inevitable)

 

But this all starts at the top, and that is on Mr. Brandon.

 

I vote for Muppets when that happens.

jblaze

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:30 PM ^

I don't understand all of the Brandon hate. Maybe, it's because I view him as the CEO of Michigan athletics and not the CEO of the Football team (that would be Hoke).

Brandon has raised revenue like a champ, renovated a lot of non-revenue facilities, paid for Mattison, Nuss, and all of the basketball coaches (who have not left). Everybody wants to fire Hoke (as do I) but why Brandon?

I don't particularly care about uniforms, or RAWK music in the stadium (the few games I went to with that music actually appeared to pump up fans) or even Groupon ticket sales. I want Brandon to continue to make money for the AD to pay for the best coaches and facilities. That's his job.

cstrable

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:42 PM ^

Because all of that would've happened with nobody as AD. College Football is a moneymaking machine. Kinda like franchising a McDonalds. Is doesn't really matter who runs it, because it's going to make a ton of money. And yeah, if you start doing stupid things to your McDonalds, people will start going to other McDonalds, but you're still McDonalds, so $$$$$.

 

 

cstrable

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:42 PM ^

Because all of that would've happened with nobody as AD. College Football is a moneymaking machine. Kinda like franchising a McDonalds. Is doesn't really matter who runs it, because it's going to make a ton of money. And yeah, if you start doing stupid things to your McDonalds, people will start going to other McDonalds, but you're still McDonalds, so $$$$$.

 

 

KBLOW

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:43 PM ^

Do you think that Brandon truly has a unique skill set that allows him to raise more money than other AD's at universities with a huge base of alums and such national prominence?  If one thinks that then it would make perfect sense to think that firing Brandon would be a mistake. But I don't see what he has done to be better than many other AD's at programs both large and small. The fund raising part just isn't that difficult at a place like Michigan.  I believe that UM could find AD candidates that could raise cash AND not be as tone deaf.

J.Madrox

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^

Personally I dislike him because I think he treats his job as AD to much like the CEO of a major corporation. I could be off base, but he seems to be hell bent on maximizing profits in the here and now without any focus or thought on what it could mean for the long-term.

Works great if you take over a major corporation, come in, slash costs, raise prices, revenues soar, you get paid the big bucks and can move on and let the long-term ramifications be someone else problem, but I don't want my athletic department treated that way. I think he is slowly (or not so slowly in some cases) alienating his customer base and all this revenue he has raised will soon disappear.

Maybe I am being to harsh but I feel he deserves very little credit for a lot of the things you gave him credit for. He ultimately might approve the paychecks, but AD's all across the country are paying soaring coaching salaries, it should be the norm at Michigan, not something Brandon gets credit for.

As for the facilities, the revenue has to be spent somewhere and you can't directly pay the athletes, so every other major university is pouring money into new facilities as well. The athletic department was making a lot of money before he got here, he may have raised those numbers slightly (or more than slightly) but at what cost to the long-term fanbase?

Brandon seems more concerned with the bottom line than I would like my AD to be, maybe other university AD's are the same way and I am just uniformed, but I don't think thats the case.

Blue Balls Afire

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^

Thinking out loud.  Does anything work on offense????  What a mish-mash.  I mean, we have a QB who's better suited for the zone-read option but we run pro-style play-action.  We have RBs better suited for the power-ISO, but we run inside and outside zone.  We have an OL that can't do either well, but is getting better very slowly.  I think we have to get Jabrill on the offensive side of the ball if we're going to run inside and outside zone.  Is it time to move Glasgow to center and bring Kalis in at RG?  We need someone with a mean-streak on the OL.  What's left to lose at this point? 

evenyoubrutus

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:35 PM ^

Since it was brought up, who makes the decision on whether to fire Brandon?  Is it Schlissel, or the board of regents?  If it's Schlissel, that feels like kind of a wild-card as to whether the decision will actually be made.  He has all but said he doesn't care about sports.

bstaub32

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:37 PM ^

Everyone wants to fire Hoke, but no one has a replacement?? Who do you think we are going to hire?

Mattison - is only there because of Hoke, just reiterated that (almost in tears) at the presser today

Nuss - 0 TDs in our two loses.

Can't give Hoke all the blame for the offense and no credit for the defense.

I agree with 7jacks, we need to give Hoke one year with a quarterback he recruited and a team of upperclassmen and not redshirt sophomores playing everywhere.

robpollard

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:54 PM ^

I'm not being glib. Unless we rattle off a (very unlikely, but hey, who knows?) B1G championship-performance these next 8 games, we'll have significant proof it isn't going to work for Brady Hoke at Michigan. Even if we kept him here for four more years.

So while there is no guarantee someone else would be better, there is a better chance "Mr. Random New Guy w a Better Track Record than Hoke" will compete for titles than Brady Hoke. Because we already know (with 98% certainity, with only the next 8 games to confirm it's 100%) that Brady Hoke can't do that.

MileHighWolverine

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:55 PM ^

No, he doesn't get that because Michigan already set the precedent that you get fired if you don't win. And he hasn't won...even with great recruits at his disposal!!

Every QB he has had in his 4 years has regressed badly....it's time to stem the bleeding and get rid of him before he causes more damage. 

I would be in favor of Nuss as interim pending a full national search led by independent search firm.

J.Madrox

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:02 PM ^

People around here have named a myriad of possible replacements, some realistic and some a pipedream. None of us have any idea whether the names we throw out there would actually be interested or not. But simply because you, or me, random internet message posters, don't know whether Dan Mullin or Kevin Wilson would take this job does not mean there are not viable candiates out there.

You can keep making all the excuses for Hoke you want. Next year when the team struggles it will be because they have a first time starter at QB and the defense lost some talent (Ryan, Clark, Morgan). You can always find reasons to let the coach stay on. Plus, I bet Hoke would have recruited Gardner if he was at Michigan at the time.

If you honestly believe Hoke is the best candidate for the job, good for you, glad some people around here can still keep the faith. But simply because you cannot think of a coach that you personally believe would be hired is not a reason to give Hoke another year.

Red is Blue

September 22nd, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^

You have to either fire him or extend his contract, which I think is a point Brian made.  Unless you want to seriously hurt your program, you can't bring him back next year without an extension as without long term coaching prospects, he will be completely neutered on the recruiting trail.  Can you imagine the uproar if Hoke gets extended?

amaizenblue402

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:38 PM ^

This stat is bad enough, but when you see who we beat (Indiana, Northwestern (3OT), Appalachian St, Miami OH) that speaks volumes.

Blue in Yarmouth

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:49 PM ^

That drop DF had was a direct result of that throw you pictured above. When you have a QB that hung you out to drop a few series earlier, you tend to be a little apprehensive going over the middle and laying out for balls. I was angry at the time, but it wasn't long before I remembered that hit he took going over the middle on the earlier throw. If Gardner doesn't make that pass and lead him right into the defender, he probably stretches out with both hands on that slant and makes the catch. 

On the other throw you pictured I actually think DG was throwing there intentionally (which may be giving his accuracy a little too mch credit). I think this because (if this is the play I think it is) there is a defender just outside of the screen coming in for the kill shot on DF and if he leads him on this throw the same result will occur. This throw forces DF to slow down and reach in the opposite direction of the hit and thus cushions the blow. Either way he shouldn't have thrown it as he was triple covered, but at least the location of the throw made sense to me at the time. 

This just plain hurts. I don't know what hurts more, the current state of our program  or the fact that all these losses don't hurt like they used to. I hate that these are becoming the norm and thus a part of everyday life. As Brian said, there was a time that a UM loss had me down in the dumps until they won again. Now I simply turn off the tv and carry on with my night. Honestly...it hurts that the losses don't hurt...this is depressing.

westwardwolverine

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:50 PM ^

Most baffling thing to me: 7 out of our first 9 drives (the ones with DG) made it to Utah territory. We got 3 points out of it. 

Utah managed this 4 times in their first 9 drives. 

We're in pure 2009/10 RR mode right now on offense: Promising start to a drive/game and then crippling mistake every time we seem to be getting into a rhythm. 

BlueMan80

September 22nd, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

QB play is bad, offensive execution is bad, defense gives maximum effort and keeps the team in the game.  Devin just has no confidence and looks like he has PTSD from last year.  He's definitely more capable than Threet/Sheridan, but he is just not showing it.  You look for the offense to improve from week to week, but as one thing gets fixed another thing becomes broken.  I know it is a new scheme, but is it really as radical as the shift from Lloyd to RR?  There's definitely more offensive talent than 2008.  I hope they can fix the offense in time to at least have a fighting chance to win the remaining games.  MSU game doesn't look very winnable now.

nmwolverine

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:26 PM ^

What does this offense do that is better than the tire fire in 2008 when we had lost Henne, Hart, Long, Manningham, Arrington, etc.  We had Threet-Sheridan, plus played freshman running backs instead of Brandon Minor and Carlos Brown, receivers may have been Stonum and Mathews.  Won three games.  Was a bad offense.  How is this 2014 offense any better than the 2008 disaster of an offense.

readyourguard

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:06 PM ^

Has there been a greater fall from grace than Michigan football over the last 10+ years?

And the absolute worst part?  Brandon seems completely oblivious to it.  As long as multi-millionaires keep lending their name (and money) to the program, all is well in his eyes.

Fuck.

matty blue

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^

this is a poorly coached football team.  period.

i've never been a 'fire the coach' guy.  ever.  it's too pat, too simple.  but it's time.  thanks, brady, we appreciate your efforts and wish you well.  but it's just not happening.

bhallpmthe2nd

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:40 PM ^

I never thought *coaching* would be Brady Hoke's un-doing. 

And now we're in that Notre Dame phase where we have to bring in someone, like Brian Kelly, that is every single thing you hate about college football and is every single thing that is the opposite of your vaunted, storied program all because we've seen this great program reduced to nothing left but please win a game. 

True Blue Grit

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:52 PM ^

I've become much more numb to the losses and actually can walk away relatively non-bothered by it, sad as it sounds.  I remember back in 1985, being so angry when Michigan lost to Iowa in the huge #1 vs. #2 game, I stormed out of the house to walk around aimlessly for an hour and a half.  Then returning later to drink.  Now, I just move on to something else (but still drink). 

What's really depressing about the current state of affairs is that it appears to be inexorably headed towards yet another coaching change.  And that would be bad for the program, at least in the short run.  I hate the idea of becoming another Notre Dame.  I really, really, really want Hoke to succeed.  But with each passing week, he gives me fewer ways in my mind to rationalize that things will turn around and the program will be successful again. 

Waves

September 22nd, 2014 at 2:58 PM ^

Sparty used to give the Michigan Lakeshore area grief because we all rooted for UM—and we did. Didn't see much Sparty gear being worn here. Now it's green and white everywhere, which just goes to show how fickle most people are. And when two UM wearing people pass each other, we kind of offer each other a sad little nod. Of course all the bs Sparty gave us about "not even going to that school" doesn't seem to matter much as they don't seem to mind non-alum fans at all. Funny how that works.

I used to get so worried that we "might lose" the MSU game. Now I just hope it's not 73-9. This sucks like a Hoover.

DocV313

September 22nd, 2014 at 3:02 PM ^

Hey! Michigan is still relevant. Peter King mentioned the Utah loss in his column. Seems like all of college football is waiting for Michigan to come back and we will, but the wait is killing me! I'm taking my kids to the PSU game, and hope witnessing that game doesn't kill their enthusiasm for UM. I'm not just talking about the football, but also the atmosphere of a full Michigan stadium.

B-Nut-GoBlue

September 22nd, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^

We need an offensive line and a quarterback who can play the game.  We have neither thus making this not a good team.  I'm not sure that's completely Hoke's fault, but yea, it partially is.  I'm sick and tired of watching every other game and seeing competent play and fun looking games but then having to sit through and watch Michigan's offense struggle to do the most basic fucking things an offense is required to do (and proceed to score field goals at best).  The defense is there for this to be a real and competive team (though I have my personal and admittedly pessimistic opinions on the defense and do not think it's as great as advertised).

Again, the offensive line and QB (and punt team) are where this team falls apart; how do we change this?  Is a new head coach going to help this?  Do we need to rid of other coaches instead of Hoke to fix these issues?  Hell if I know but I'm sick and tired of watching a terrible offense trod out there and look completely incompetent.  I fear we're a ways off from being such a unit, though.