“Faith is believing what you do not see. The rewards are seeing what you believe.”
Edit: For the record, I didn't draw this from scripture. I remember it as a slogan for the Red Wings around 98-02 or something.
In spite of the fact that I have shat out things that looked better than today's game, I have to give props to ShockFX's optomism. We can all be in the Zombie Apocalypse for the weekend, but life will continue on Monday, and yes, even this football season will continue next Saturday, brigning whatever it may. I think we can all agree that any victories from here on out will come as pleasant surprises, and believe me, I hate the lowered expectations that come with losses like we had today more than anything. But if we can't believe that better things lie ahead next season, and maybe even later this season, then what have we got? Frankly, I'm not in the mood to be a believer right now either, but all of us who are true fans will get back there eventually. The bowl streak might be over, but I don't believe we will slip into the kind of malaise we've seen programs like Nebraska and Notre Dame endure. This once proud Michigan program will be proud again...just probably not anytime this year. Somebody on another MGoBoard thread pointed out that the defense was actually pretty good today and we were the victims of some pretty bizzaro plays/turnovers. Things like that won't happen every week and even though I admit to ranting on the phone an hour or two ago that we're looking at 2-10, I firmly believe we will win at least 2-3 more games, but still just miss keeping the bowl streak alive. If we have all the key players in the game and the forced/unforced turnovers more or less stop, or if we acutally get a few *GASP* takeaways, we can beat any one of MSU, Purdue, Northwestern and maybe even Minnesota. Not Penn State or OSU....not on the road, not this year. Like so many of us, I feel like that is not really acceptable, but I've prepared myself to wrap my mind around it more and more after each embarassing game. I'm struggling as much as anyone, but I have managed to keep a flicker of hope alive in my maize and blue soul. We'll see if the team ignites that flicker or extinguishes in the second half of the season. Either way, better days are coming in 2009 and 2010...count on it. End excessively long post.
"When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing."-Bo
I still think we'll get Sparty.
I've been endlessly a 'glass half full' through this whole thing, perhaps until this afternoon. Still in shock (no pun intended) a solid three hours after the fact. Today all but confirms possibly the worst season in the history of the program-- certainly the worst in most of our collective lifetimes as Wolverine faithful.
I guess I just needed this-- Thanks Shock for giving me something to react to, and possibly process what happened today. I mean, we all KNOW this team will be so utterly badass in about two years we'll forget about how utterly, well, just bad this team is now. But ohhh, it hurts. And why?
Because we have PRIDE in this team. And it's all but impossible to be proud of the 2008 Michigan Wolverines. But they're still my team-- and I promise to every last one of you that in the name of GLENN BO SCHEMBECHLER I WILL WAKE UP TOMORROW MORNING AND PULL THAT MAIZE AND BLUE SHIRT UP AND OVER MY HEAD AND WEAR IT REGARDLESS OF TODAY'S INSANITY.
AND DAMMIT, I WILL FIND A WAY TO WEAR IT WITH PRIDE.
WEAR THE SHIRT, BOYS! WEAR THE BALLCAP!
Tonight, and tomorrow, more than EVER BEFORE, they need us to. Call yourself a UM fan??? Well it's time to put your money on your sleeve.
THOSE WHO STAY... well, you know.
will lose to MAC teams?
Our MAC record is the same as our Big 10 record!
Those who stay will be MAC Champions!!!! It does have a certain ring to it.
Now, only if we can beat MAC teams!
Rich Rod must still think he's in the Big East and it's ok to lose to MAC teams.
It's never OK to lose to MAC teams, even when you're a MAC team.
I still think RR is a great choice for HC at Michigan, but I've dropped from 95% sure to 65% sure.
Before Penn State joined the Big Ten, many "experts" thought they would dominate the conference due to their record the prior 20 years. PSU's prestige was equal or better to UM and OSU at the time.
But I had my doubts. PSU played an independant schedule and was able to space their big games out and have a number of DNP's (like Villanova, Temple, Rutgers, UVa - they really sucked back then, etc.) around their few big games (which were, ND, Pitt, Syracuse, on occasion Alabama).
When Penn State joined the Big Ten, there was less leeeway in scheduling, and there were tough road games to Wisconsin, Minn., MSU, not to mention OSU and UM. I always thought that the middle tier of the Big Ten would really bite PSU in the ass. They just weren't used to that kind of competition week in and week out (particularly on the road). Bo used to talk about that.
RR was very successful at WVU. But are there similarities here?
Additionally, all of our opponents will always be up to play and beat Michigan. Just ask Utah, ND, Miami (close) and Toledo. God, even Illinois considers UM their biggest rival! West Virginia, I am not so sure.
Once RR had West Virginia winning 10 games a year, I think it's safe to say that they were a big game for everyone. Games against top 10 teams = big games, even if played in the middle of nowhere.
And really . . . this is Michigan. You can have a bad team here, but it's pretty tough to flop long-term here, given the attractiveness of the program to recruits. Lloyd Carr was a nice guy who read lots of books and used SAT words in press conferences, but he was never considered to be much of a coaching mastermind, on either side of the ball. Still, he won 75% of his games. RR came here with far more of a coaching rep. He is starting off in hole (which is not really of his making) but by the time he's finished at UM, I bet he'll have matched or exceeded Lloyd's winning percentage.
App. State's victory over Michigan (who was 0-0 for the year at the time) was big because it was against the winningest team in the country, in the largest stadium in the country, and 3rd, against the#5 ranked team in the country.
WVU was winning 10 games a year for a few seasons; they were a Johnny-come-lately and always had to establish themselves during the season. They are not a target like Michigan. Oh, and once they did establish themselves, they played Pitt.
Michigan gets the effort the Pitt players and team put out every damn game, regardless of ranking or record.
Pitt making WVU a target is what caused 4 missed field goals, Pat White's concussion (this one actually is true), then eleventy billion fumbles from his back up, which was only surpassed by the pass out of bounds on 4th down at the end of the game. All due to Pitt taking their best shot, not having every single fucking thing go Pitt's way.
has followed him to AA, I guess.
We could be Clemson, Wisconsin, WVU, or Tennessee though. It could be much, much worse.
tremdous up-side with RR. But, I will not ignore that there is a potential down-side as well (I know, duh).
I have always been impressed with coaches who make the most of the talent they have at hand and adapt to it. It would be silly to run the option with Joe Montana or Joe Nameth (although Bear may have done that, actually). This offense aint happening. I think it is counter-productive to run the spread-option with Threet. Just my opinion.
It doesn't matter what offense they run. Threet completes 50% of his passes. He misses wide open receivers. How does this change if he's operating from under center in the I-Form?
and final word on an offense's effectiveness. It has been discussed widely here that having a lead blocking FB seems to add to the effectiveness in the running game. But this may be ephemeral its success due to it not being employed very often.
How does this change if he's operating from under center in the I-Form? Cannot a different system can lead to different results? Less responsibilities on the QB (ie, not concerned with running the ball; let the players good at that do it) allow him to focus on his strengths.
Lloyd Carr... won 75% of his games. RR came here with far more of a
coaching rep. He is starting off in hole (which is not really of his
making) but by the time he's finished at UM, I bet he'll have matched
or exceeded Lloyd's winning percentage.
Personally, I really like RR and I'm am all for that!!! [just tell me which games to bet on]
Blue Durham - I don't gamble. But you can hold me to this prediction: when RR is finished here, he will have matched or exceeded Carr's .752 winning percentage.
In response to your other comment, you have to keep in mind that we're not running a full option package with Threet. We run a few read plays (in which he rarely keeps the ball) and that's about it. We basically never run any conventional option plays or QB draws. This is not the offense RR used at West Virginia. He's considerably scaled down the QB running plays and is calling far more pass plays - last year, WVU never attempted more than 25 passes in any game.
As for whether he'd be better in the I, I'm not sure. Then he'd have to work on getting his timing down on his drops, which is tough for a lot of young QBs (Mallett could never seem to figure it out). When you use the shotgun, the QB is already five yards back so he doesn't have to worry about dropping back, and he gets a clearer view of any pass rushers. Note that Threet hasn't been sacked very often.
The problems that this team has are a lot deeper than certain play calls, Sheridan vs. Threet, and a few lost fumbles. The seeds of this season were sown both by the recruiting by Carr combined with RR's implemented changes in philosophy. This team is not going to run off any kind of win streak this year.
I am sure that I am in the minority here, but this loss is more disturbing than the App. State loss last year. Last year's loss was an upset, an aberation of sorts, and that was demonstrated by the 8-game win streak and the win over Florida.
However, yesterday Michigan didn't get upset by Toledo, Michigan IS Toledo. And now it seems many posters are of the view that Michigan will be Toledo next year as well. Thats the disturbing thing.
Michigan has had freshman QB's before, had very young OLs before, and has installed new offenses before. But never all at the same time. Unprecedented situation, and we have gotten unprecedented results.