ND is putting the brakes on one of college football's great rivalries.
EDIT: But now they'll have more room for games against Navy and their ACC pals.
AP reporter Larry Lage is, uh, reporting that ND is taking the money and running:
This is good news for insane people who hate easy road trips and competitive games with glitz disproportionate to the teams participating recently. For me, it is sad. Maybe they'll patch it up at some point in the future.
Michigan now has to scramble for a legit opponent in 2015 and 2016, but at least they can go into that looking for someone who wants a home game in odd-numbered years to help offset the Nebraska/OSU games.
All of this is the Longhorn Network's fault, of course.
ND is putting the brakes on one of college football's great rivalries.
EDIT: But now they'll have more room for games against Navy and their ACC pals.
At least there's a reason for Navy:
Despite the one-sided result the last few decades, most Notre Dame and Navy fans consider the series a sacred tradition for historical reasons. Both schools have strong football traditions going back to the beginnings of the sport. Notre Dame, like many colleges, faced severe financial difficulties during World War II. The US Navy made Notre Dame a training center and paid enough for usage of the facilities to keep the University afloat. Notre Dame has since extended an open invitation for Navy to play the Fighting Irish in football and considers the game annual repayment on a debt of honor.
True, but Michigan taught ND how to play football. Michigan went to South Bend and spanked the Irish in ND's very first game.
I don't have anything against the service acadamies, but they're basically cupcakes 90% of the time.
The issue is that we don't have any other rivalries outside of the Big10, not really. Teams that we used to play a lot include Navy, Penn, and very few other teams have we even played more than 10 games against. Look at this list.
If we wanted to continue any old series we would be looking at a few FCS teams in the Ivy league. Otherwise I think we should look to the SEC for a team to play.
we need to fix that record of 0-1
although as a result of that game, we got the John Cooper era in Ohio!
I'm all in favor of scheduling a game with Princeton. Both teams were coached by Fritz Crisler and both now where the winged helmets... although Princeton's are a gross orange and black.
...I'm all for joining the Ivy League at this point. Big money college football is really beginning to grind me down.
We've played ND 40 times. More significantly, we've played them 29 times in the last 35 seasons.
To hell with NBC, ACC, BCS, Notre Dame.
Fuck the Irish!
Clap clap clapclapclap!
Fuck the I-rish!
I believe ND it's on the verge of being good and i want more "cream filled cupcakes" on our schedule
Yet I'm sure you'll beat your chest loudly about how Michigan never backs down from anybody, any time, any place.
But the ND strategy of West Coast (USC, Stanford), East Coast (ACC), and Midwest games (I assume they'll keep Purdue and MSU) is a wise one.
We'd do well to replicate it insofar as we can with one game. Our OOC schedule has to be populated with home games, but for the replacement of ND I'd love a home-and-home series with Florida. Get exposure down there and connect with all the Michigan transplants.
I'd love to rotate between games out west and down south, Florida would be a cool game. Ideally, I'd love to see the ND game cycle two years on and two off, with a big name SEC or Pac-12 home-and-home in the off years.
Agreed. We should replace ND with quality opponents. Playing home-and-home series with SEC and PAC12 teams would be great.
I'd like to see Michigan schedule games against good football schools who are also great academically (sort of like Northwestern has done with their games against Duke and Vanderbilt, except also good football schools). This would be a way to get national exposure, but also to highlight Michigan's relatively unique ability to be great academically and athletically. Who would object to playing 1-2 games a year against schools like Texas, Stanford, UCLA, and Cal? We could throw in Vanderbilt, BC, Virginia, or UNC if we already have a couple tough nonconference games in a given year.
This is just a three year break in a much longer deal, correct?
They were already going to take a break after 2017. This seems to break things off indefinitely after 2014.
Michigan and ND are good for each other. I'll miss seeing the Wolverines play them.
Am I the only one who's not that sad? I personally like games that are guaranteed wins early in the season, an ND is not that. I know the new playoff format is supposed to emphasize SOS, but I'll believe that when a one loss BCS team makes it in above an undefeated one. Until then polls and perception will drive a lot. And an undefeated brand like UM carries a lot of weight, even if it is against East Nowhere State.
If you mean teams like Air Force or San Diego, I'm sorrta halfway with you - but if you think "Eastern Michigan Week" sounds exciting, then I have to disagree with you.
Frankly I don't care that much about being undefeated anymore. What I want to watch is good football. This fall schedule, across college football, has been full of crud. If Michigan were to schedule all non-major conference teams for a preseason, well, I can find better things to do with early fall Saturday afternoons.
I guess were at a philosophical difference. I enjoyed the UMass game more than anything this season so far. Sure I will enjoy watching replays of last year's ND game more, but damn, I don't like that roller coaster of disappointment live. I like to be happy when I watch the one team I really care about. And a close loss in a good game against a good opponent means nothing to me. I will never watch the 06 Ohio game or the 05 Rose Bowl ever again. It only makes me sad. And I like to be happy. I want us to go undefeated and I will be happy all season. Maybe teams a bit tougher than UMass, but I want to look at a schedule and think "We have a high probability of winning every game". Sure if we could get to Bama levels, we could schedule anybody and I would feel that, but without JUCOs and oversigning, that seems unlikely.
There are replays of last year's Notre Dame game?
You have the right to your opinion, but you sound like someone I would hate. What is the point of an athletic competition if there is no doubt in the outcome of the game? So you would like to join the MAC and play every game as a 25pt favorite. Just enough to provide some resisitance but not enough that they would ever scare you.
You fix U8 girls soccer drafts so you can win games 16-0
You play the kids on your block in basketball and "Pack their weak shit" into the neighbors flowers.
The beauty of the win is in the struggle not the win. Anyone can schedule a win.
They show replays of 1997 Mich-OSU games on BTN and not Mich-Ind from 2001 for a reason.
Wholeheartedly agree. Spent years wishing we could play a team in the regular season in 'Bamas position, and was thrilled we did despite the pasting. We have the money, tradition, academics, facilities and other requirements neccessary to field a team that should consistently be one of the national elite, I'd rather know where we stand right away so we can set appropriate expectations and start fixing it rather than face another string of multi-year top-bowl showings where we get creamed by someone who turns out to be a much higher quality opponent.
I am not upset about this. I feel like ND benefits far more from this game than Michigan does. I hate that they have refused to join a conference and duped NBC into that ridiculous contract, and our playing them only aids in their rogue mentality. We could go out and find other teams that are nationally respected on a similar level if we really wanted to.
I'm one of those insane people that are not sad about it but not because I think ND benefits more from the rivalry than Michigan does. I'm fine with it because, personally, I'm sick of Notre Dame. The rivalry feels old and washed up to me. It was in its glory years back in the 90s but since then it just hasn't been the same for various reasons. I'd rather see other teams, whether it be the start of a new rivalry or regular opponent or one-offs here and there. Maybe distance from ND will make the heart grow fonder.
at a bad time though. This year is going to do intermediate term damage to the perception of the Big Ten, even more so than before. Michigan in particular, has some pretty major damage control to do in the next couple of years to restore any belief that the program is a real player. Granted, winning out and winning the Rose Bowl this year would take care of things, but........ Unless such miracles are before us, there are going to have to be big time programs on our schedule to play and beat to restore the national perception in the program to be in the conversation for that playoff. If the rest of this season is as embarrassing for the Big Ten as the beginning has been, I think it could be entirely possible that an undefeated Big Ten team does not see that playoff. Like or not, in the conference pecking order, the Big Ten is looking up at the ACC right now, especially considering Penn State's future.
This place on the schedule cannot be filled by East Nowhere State, and I'm afraid the Oregon States of the world may not do either (considering Michigan State is home and homeing it with the likes of Alabama and Oregon). Brandon has to come strong with an opponent to fill this.
"considering Michigan State is home and homeing it with the likes of Alabama and Oregon"
...and will probably get their taints handed to them by both.
Disagree. Big time programs like UM don't need a great conference to drive their perception. Florida State has never needed it in a terrible ACC from years in the recent past. ND has never needed it. USC never needed it in the early 2000s when the PAC was terrible. UM never needed it back during the Big 2/little 8-10 days. A big fat 0 in the loss column is all UM needs to drive it's perception as a power. Hell the only losses we have right now are to top 10 teams (one of which may be one of the best teams ever), and we're unranked. Do you really think Rutgers is better than UM at 23? The only thing that matters is wins.
While way less fun as a fan, playing cupcakes is solid way to increase the chances of getting into the BCS championship game/playoff. Once the 4 team playoff starts, an undefeated B1G champion will get a spot every time.
i'd much rather play an interesting game and lose once in a while than win a championship by playing cupcakes.
It's not the undefeated season I'm woried about. It's the one-loss season where we trip up to a middle of the pack B1G team. We risk getting shut out those years if our schedule and the B1G are percieved as weak.
This is exactly what would have happened to Wisconsin last year if there was a 4 team playoff. They would have gotten left behind for Alabama, LSU, OK State, and Oregon/Stanford. Their weak schedule and the B1G's poor reputation would have done them in.
And Florida State has consistently set sky-high expectations which evaporate once they face real talent. All said, I'd much rather be an Alabama, USC, or LSU than a Florida State or Boise State.
I think everybody would rather be Alabama, USC or LSU including Florida State or Boise. But frankly, very few programs can become Alabama US or LSU. I'm still not entirely convinced UM can attain that level. It's possible, but we have inherant roadblocks to acheiving this.
how many of those programs (including FSU back when they were actually good) were that good for that long with no hint of scandal? They all mostly got hammered, or if they're more current, have stink all over them. There aren't too many examples of dynasties in recent college football that didn't = cheating.
As long as Michigan insists on doing things the right way, it's unlikely that the football team will ever have a multi-year run of dominance the way that USC, Miami, Alabama, etc have had. The reality of big time college football is that the best teams are inevitably at the avant-garde of bending the rules if not outright cheating.
This is why I have no interests in national championships (and whatever playoff is attached to it) and would rather have Michigan continue in the traditional route of going to (and typically losing) the Rose Bowl.
I don't like creampuff games and I will simply not attend them. I have missed two home games in the last ten years....Delaware State and UMass. If I am going to invest my time going to college football games, I would rather watch a well played game to a very good opponent, even if we lose, than spend an afternoon running up 70 points against a team that is just filling space.
My hope is that in a couple of year, we will have the depth of personnel to go against anybody.
As for ND, fuck them. I wonder if DB had any notice that this was coming.
I'd like a home and home with them once a decade or so, but ND has used the B1G to fill their schedule for years....all the while spurning our overatures to have them join in the most public ways possible. Now they have a different conference schedule filler so good for them, but no B1G team should schedule them after the first conference game is played.
I'd like to still play them every once in a while, but I'm not going to miss playing this game on an annual basis. Right now, we have almost no flexibility in our OOC schedule, becauase we still have to assume that ND is going to be a tough game. That means that if we schedule Alabama, we are potentially setting ourselves up for a really rough year. 2015 is also a good example of this. In addition to ND, we are playing two PAC 10 teams. Those teams could suck, but they could also be 8-9 win, quality teams that could beat us.
We'll be in 2014, 2015 and beyond.
I agree we'll be good. But I kinda want at least two tomato cans per year. In 2015, we've only got one (unless Oregon State reverts to 3-9 suckage, which could happen).
Do you not remember 2007? We were supposed to be really good.
We can leave them losing 7 of the last 9. That'll be a fun fact to bring up for the rest of eternity.
For me, the most annoying thing (of the long list) about Notre Dame fans is they think their tradition is unparalleled or better than anyone else's.
An example is after the game, my step dad (an ND alum) wanted me to wait with him in the stadium until their alma mater song was played and the players sang with the students. Then he and the rest of my fam kept on about how cool and unique this tradition was.
For this, i'd like to send them on their merry way, with their tails between their short, stubby legs.
The old adage goes, "How do you know someone went to ND? They'll f----n' tell you." Sometimes we as UM fans can be arrogant, but ND fans go to another level. When they are relevant, college football is good. When they suck, it's even better. I say we end it next year and tell them to continue to suckle off the teets of NBC. Giving them an exception for the BCS is wrong. All schools should belong to a conference in all sports. Screw em. Let's play some SEC schools.