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11/30/2014 – Michigan 28, OSU 42 – 5-7, 3-5 Big Ten

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[Eric Upchurch]

In one of last year's season preview posts I wondered if Michigan was going to end up on the wrong side of the war after Hoke's hire. I got piles of crap for this take from people waving Stanford anecdotes around. I think a lot of people read "pro style can't work" when what I'm saying is "it's clearly less likely to." I'm not going to turn my nose up at Jim Harbaugh no matter what he wants to run. Wing-T? Yes, sir.

Anyway: the crux of that argument was that if you think running a spread makes your defense soft when you have to play Wisconsin, the corollary to that is that if you're not preparing for spread elements daily you will struggle when you go up against them. For the most part this held true during the Hoke era (if I say "tempo" you will dive under a couch), and never more so than against OSU.

Statistically, Michigan has had a defense somewhere between good and terrific under Greg Mattison. Ohio State looks at that and says naw:

  • 2011: 34 points, 376 yards, about two feet from another 70 yards and game-winning points.
  • 2012: 26 points, 396 yards. A decent performance, year one of Meyer.
  • 2013: 42 points, 526 yards. An obliteration.
  • 2014: 42 points, 416 yards. Seven of those points are via a defensive TD.

These were all slow games featuring a lot of running and a lot of Michigan dawdling. This year's version of The Game had just nine OSU possessions, which is the practical minimum. Anything played at a Pac 12 pace would have been ugly.

Michigan had a vaguely acceptable performance once in four years, and two of those games featured freshman OSU quarterbacks who weren't even supposed to be the starter preseason. Hell, this game featured an eighty yard drive led by the third string QB.

The whole "Big Boy Football" thing is all the more galling since OSU has consistently ground Michigan into paste without bothering to throw the ball much. OSU QBs have thrown an average of 20.5 passes against Michigan in the Hoke era, and I'd guess about a half of those were screens and easy stuff in the flat. With most of the rest downfield bombs, OSU's offense avoids turnovers while simultaneously being lethally efficient. If the spread does get your QBs hurt more often—something that's been hard to confirm with numbers—that's not something that has affected Ohio State. Cardale Jones came in and sealed the game.

OSU is running twice as much as they're passing against Michigan and averaging 6.1 yards a carry. These are Rodriguez-at-WVU type stats, the kind that blew me away when I was looking at his track record after his hire.

The funny thing about the Danielsons of the world is that they're old school RUN THE DANG BALL types, but they manage to sidestep the fact that forcing the defense to account for a running quarterback is the best way to run the ball. I can think of no better way to make this point than a chart from back in 2008 that compared Michigan's YPC in year one of Rodriguez to the previous seven years of Lloyd Carr:

# Year YPC
1 2006 4.27
2 2003 4.25
3 2007 3.97
4 2008 3.91
5 2005 3.89
6 2004 3.83
7 2002 3.82
8 2001 3.59

Threet and Sheridan and no linemen and they still ended up above average. Michigan would easily top 2006 from 2009 to 2012. Lloyd Carr could talk about running the ball. His teams couldn't do it, at least not well.

I want to run the ball. I want to run an offense that doesn't ask the QB to make complicated reads, but rather asks him to make a decision about one guy. Hoke was a mistake for a thousand reasons, but prime amongst them was his "we're gonna run power" crap after he'd never been able to do that anywhere else.

Michigan spent the 2011 game running the inverted veer wrong and they still put up 40; that this had no impact on his approach speaks volumes about Hoke's lack of quality as a coach. Bo made the shift to a modern passing offense when he had to. Saban is grudgingly moving in that direction: I was watching the Iron Bowl on Saturday and Herbstreit made multiple references to how Alabama was now a no-huddle team. They found themselves down multiple scores in the second half and ripped off five straight TDs in short order.

The game moves; move with it or die. Michigan chose hidebound traditionalism on the field and whiz-bang idiot modernism in the pageantry. The former is a natural reaction after you get burned. The latter is a natural consequence of hiring a pizza marketer.

But can we learn? I would like to learn. Rich Rodriguez blew it here, and he learned. He dumped his defensive staff, got Jeff Casteel back, and is headed to the Pac-12 championship game with a freshman QB after having beaten Oregon in back-to-back years. This is our opportunity to do something right this time.

Unfortunately, Michigan's current coaching staff is going on recruiting visits today when they should be taking a day with a bottle of scotch before polishing up the old resume. I have no idea what they're supposed to say on these visits.

RECRUIT: Aren't you guys getting fired?
COACH: Almost certainly.
RECRUIT: So why are you here?
COACH: I'm like a corpse still twitching. Held in this hellish no-place, I pine for my soul's release and reincarnation as the offensive coordinator at a D-II school.
RECRUIT: Whoah.
COACH: You said it.

Florida knows what's going on; Tulsa knows what's going on; Illinois knows what's going on. Michigan doesn't. Comparisons to Nebraska are invalid. Michigan's not 9-3, and no one is going to be blindsided by Hoke getting axed.

Poke the Russia Today outlet in the Michigan e-sphere and you'll hear that it's about Doing Right By The Staff and that it's about Keeping The Pressure Off Harbaugh; neither of these explanations make any sense. That coach doesn't want to be on that visit. He wants to be looking for another job. Harbaugh speculation does not start with, or even focus on, Michigan in NFL circles.

I can't see a reason to drag it out, but here we are, dragging it out. The guy in charge may be competent but he has no track record. We're stuck here hoping this guy is actually qualified and that things turn out for the best. Maybe it will. Forgive me if I have a tendency to look on everything this department does as a mistake.

That's' going to be a tough habit to break, but here's a suggestion: act like a collection of people instead of a committee for once and acknowledge that there's no good way for this to go down. The first major Brandon warning sign was when he infamously took two days of meetings to fire Rich Rodriguez when that was a fait accompli.

Get on with it, motherfu

[After THE JUMP: offensive line ups and downs, clock lol, etc.]

BULLETS

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BEHIND YOU [Upchurch]

The edges cave in. Michigan had not seen an elite edge rusher all year unless Anthony Zettel or Shilique Calhoun counts. They might; even if they are they are not in Joey Bosa's class. I can tell this because Bosa and his compatriots crushed the Michigan pocket with a consistency Michigan had not seen in a long time. Gardner was sacked five times after getting through much of November without taking a hit. He coped surprising well given what we'd seen from him; it was still a major problem.

This wasn't much of a surprise with Michigan fielding a true freshman LT and a shaky sophomore RT. It was more a reminder that Michigan had just about gotten away with it this year. Sacks allowed are not great—26, which is 75th nationally—but they are much much better than last year. With an offseason to improve in they could get to good.

Especially since…

The running game functioned. Without those sacks Michigan averaged 4.8 yards a carry. In a sack-adjusted world that's just okay, but "just" and "okay" should not go next to each other when we are talking about a game against Ohio State in which Michigan's interior offensive line pretty much won the battle against the OSU DL.

Remember that De'Veon Smith carry on which he got lit up in the backfield? That's approximately the only time that happened.

It's kind of hard to take Michigan's rushing stats seriously this year since they feature almost ten yards a carry against Appalachian State and another big hunk at 6.1 against Miami (NTM). That's the kind of thing a lot of teams get, yes, but they don't surround that with four games in which you don't break 3 YPC.

Are we confident then? Maybe not confident confident. Still, the end of the year saw four straight reasonable-to-good performances in the run game and the pass protection was improved. Michigan gets back every OL on the roster, and they've got some experienced depth in Erik Magnuson. If they make equal progress next year they could be good-ish.

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Torn ACL, same knee. [Upchurch]

Drake? I'll say this about Drake Johnson: I don't yell "THE HOLE IS OVER THERRRRRRRE" when he's in the game. I didn't think that was going to be a big deal this year; it was. Johnson still has moments where his cuts cause him to come to a dead stop, but he ran through a couple tackles in this game, has good straight-line speed, and seems to understand the blocking in front of him more than his compatriots.

It'll be hard to hold off a returning Derrick Green and the newly-available Ty Isaac, especially since he'll be missing spring practice after tearing his ACL on that touchdown.

It'll be interesting to see who the new staff goes with. He's in the conversation.

Oh come on, part XXXVIII. The clock management at the end of the first half was dubious for everyone. Ohio State let the clock roll as Michigan prepared to punt from their 45 with about three minutes left in the half. Michigan then punted with 15 or 16 seconds left on the playclock. That is idiotic. It's also something Hoke seems to do before the half in every game.

The ensuing drive saw OSU tie the game on a ten-play, 83-yard march, with the last play snapped with 17 seconds left on the clock. OSU had two timeouts, but with a series of incomplete passes and first-down runs the amount of time they would have saved with them was negligible; anyway the point is that it is dumb to give the opposition 15 free seconds for a two minute drill and that this dumbness is endemic to the program now. Remember the free Hail Mary Michigan gave to Penn State? Yeah.

Defense. I don't really have much to say other than it was yet another clobbering—5 TDs on 9 drives is a clobbering—in which Michigan just could not cope with the multiple exposures to one-on-one tackling that Meyer's offense exposes you to. Not many have. The key to stopping offenses like this is having a defensive line that kicks the opposing OL's ass, as Penn State did and Stanford occasionally has against Oregon. That wasn't happening without Frank Clark, and probably wasn't happening even with him.

It was disappointing that Raymon Taylor got beat on two big plays, one the 52 yard bomb to Devin Smith, the other an opportunity to boot OSU off the field on their end-of-half drive.

HERE

Best And Worst:


Best:  Why Can't They Make the Whole Season Out of OSU's Defense?

To paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld, if Michigan is only capable of playing this way offensively when they line up against OSU, they might as well just schedule the Buckeyes 12 times.  Devin Gardner did throw the interception, and it was his fumble on a sack that OSU returned for a defensive TD following Elliott's TD run, but he also threw the ball as well as he has in weeks, completing over 2/3's of his passes for 233 yards and 2 TDs, and spread out the receptions to 9 different players, 10 if you include the throwback pass he caught from Drake Johnson on a pretty brilliant playcall that helped Michigan tie the game at 21 in the 3rd.  It wasn't anywhere close to his record-breaking performance from last year, but Gardner acquitted himself well enough in his final game as a Wolverine, and it was a bit poetic that his last completion of his career was a great little throw and catch to Canteen for Michigan's last TD.  Of course, the fact it was in a game Michigan wound up losing by 14 takes a bit of luster off the rose, but this is the "happy thoughts" part of this diary.

Inside The Box Score:

When I was a kid, I heard that Bo and Woody preferred to run the ball because when you pass the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad. The Michigan offense of the past two years has redefined that calculus. I now believe that when you pass the ball, six things can happen and five of them are bad. Of course, you have the original two bad items, the incompletion and the interception. I've seen enough of Michigan's offense to realize that we have to add these additional bad outcomes: 1) throwing screen passes for negative yardage, 2) getting sacked, and 3) getting strip-sacked.

     In case there was any doubt, Michigan drove the point home to start the game. On our first play, Drake Johnson ran for 7 yards. On the next play, Devin Gardner threw an interception. On the next drive, Michigan threw a screen pass for -5 yards, ran the ball for 15 yards, took a sack, ran for 4, and took another sack. Three good running plays and four bad passing plays. The second drive ended with yet another poor special teams play, as Jalin Marshall returned a punt 23 yards.

ELSEWHERE

HSR on where they are:

I almost have begun to wonder in the past decade whether Michigan's interest in the rivalry is, in knowing how much it means to them, being able to beat them and ruin that for them, is what Michigan fans truly get out of this.  Michigan fans don't care less about the rivalry than Ohio State fans do, they just care about it differently.  Michigan fans like winning, period.  Michigan fans want to beat everybody and dread that there will be somewhere along the way in a season where Michigan doesn't win.  Michigan's season is not going to be made by beating Ohio in a way that Ohio's might be.  But it makes me sad to know that there has not been one game since 1999 where Michigan went in to The Game and thought "we should win this." *  Ohio State fans have thought this all too often since the Tressel era began.  If I have a sadness about this rivalry, it is that.

(*-If you want to argue 2011 with me, I'll listen, but even then, the best chance Michigan had to get a win since 2003 (when it was #4 vs #5, which is not a "should"), did not feel like a "should win", but like a "please dear God, let us win."  It's not the same.  And 2004, #7 in the country vs. a 6-5 Buckeye team, still had to go to Columbus.)

The Devin Gardner era ended yesterday not with a whimper, but not with a bang.  It ended with more conclusive proof about the kind of person that Devin Gardner is (see photo above), but also the maddening flaws about what kind of quarterback Devin Gardner, turnover prone, but flashing brilliance here there and everywhere.  There seems to be a desire to make a metaphor of this game as a microcosm of the Hoke era, and perhaps it is.  Unfortunately, like so many times in the Hoke era, we're left with more questions than answers.  If Hoke's era is coming to a close, then the book will be left to be written, but we've written so much of it.  In so many ways, we've known for months what is going to happen, but we're waiting for the actual moment, so we can move on and move forward.

Baumgardner column. Sap's Decals:

HELMET COLOR – After dealing with all the crap this season, I finally had enough of seeing the wrong shade of yellow on the M helmets!  It was painfully obvious to me that it was not right the correct color and it’s time we got it right!

Maybe it was the culmination of everything that we had to deal with this year, including the all blue unis, but for some reason the color of the yellow on the Michigan helmets was painfully out of synch with the rest of the uniform.   The shade of yellow/maize didn’t match the pants. It didn’t match the yellow trim on the jersey.  Heck, it didn’t even match the yellow shoes worn by some of the Wolverines. Time for Riddell to get it right! If they can’t get it right, then they need someone to help get it right. Consider myself volunteered!

Daily on Gardner.

Comments

Hannibal.

December 1st, 2014 at 2:09 PM ^

While I wouldn't call this year's O-line great, I don't think that it's getting enough credit.  4.6 ypc as a team (better than the last 7 Carr teams), with the tailacks (none of them better than average) getting 5.2 ypc.  Just to give you some perspective, Chris Perry averaged 5.0 ypc in his Doak Walker senior year when he was surrounded by seniors, and he was a much better back than anyone on this team.  Mike Hart averaged 5.0 ypc for his career and he was also much better than anyone on this team.  The passing game was dogshit and didn't keep defenses honest.  SOS was really low this year, so that offsets some of the accomplishment, but still -- when you've got four guys who would be third string (at best) at OSU or Wisconsin and they average over 5 ypc with no passing game, you are probably doing something right on the offensive line.  This team's ypc probably exceeded most people's expectations by about a yard.

Hoke needs to be fired.  The next guy comes in and he has literally the entire running game 3-deep returning, plus adding Ty Isaac.  The next guy is set up to look like an offensive genius.  All he has to do is upgrade Shane Morris to the "game manager" level and the offense will be in the top third of the Big Ten.  I hope that this point can be made to a coach that we have to pull out of his comfort zone. 

CRISPed in the DIAG

December 1st, 2014 at 2:15 PM ^

We're likely in a negotiating phase.  Has to be the reason there's been no rumbling (to my awareness).  Hackett: "We can wait till 1/1/15 and you'll make $1million rather than $3million.  Or we can do this now and get a parachute in the amount of $1.5. What d'ya say, Brades?"  Hoke: "Well......"

The_Mad Hatter

December 1st, 2014 at 2:23 PM ^

I would actually be nervous if Hoke was fired this week.  Part of what got us into this mess in the 1st place was Les being outed as Lloyd's replacement right before the SEC Championship game.

If Hoke is fired now, every time JH or Miles steps in front of a camera, what do you think the first question they'll be asked is?  Keeping Hoke for a little while longer gives those guys some cover from the press.

If Hoke goes this week you can assume that Hoke 2.0 will be the next coach.

I Bleed Maize N Blue

December 1st, 2014 at 3:08 PM ^

BTW - and I know the Big Ten+x Championship hasn't been played yet - but wouldn't it be sort of a long-time-coming, karma-is-a-bitch payback if OSU doesn't make the playoffs because their starting QB got injured (especially if they beat WI)?

m1jjb00

December 1st, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^

We're arguing about whether Hoke is going to get fired when there's no reason to keep him around.  Those who are worried and impatient do not trust the leadership or the court denziens in the AD.  Who can blame them?  Give me a good reason to trust them.

markusr2007

December 1st, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^

Doesn't make it any less frustrating. Whether this week or 1 months from now, Michigan really needs to nail this HC hire (and the rest of the football staff for that matter) this time or there will be dire consequences for the university, football program and athletics revenue.  The schedule is good, but they have to fill the goddamned seats.

I'm sure Hackett is a smart guy and all.  He's been on the clock for 2 months, and I'm starting to question whether he truly gets just how critical this next hire is for Michigan football.

The situation assessment, data collection and consultant roundtable/ strategic workshops stuff should all have been done 7 or 8 weeks ago.  It's now December. The idea that there should be any further "deliberations" or "assessments" on grounds of anything else, but especially sensitivity of the players (Nebraska fiasco) is truly idiotic.  Football players don't run the football program.  The AD and the coaches do this.  I had hoped for swift and decisive action by Hackett here, but it's clearly not happening.   

Hoke and staff have to carry on and go through the motions, so I'm not shocked that UM football staff are out there knocking on doors despite being dead men walking.  I mean, what else are they supposed to do with no decision made yet?

 

uminks

December 1st, 2014 at 3:30 PM ^

is up there meeting with Hacket telling him the team is almost ready to turn the corner to B1G victories! All his players are just so young and next year will be the year! Ugh! The guy should be out of there ASAP

BlueGoM

December 1st, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^

Harbaugh or bust.   I don't see other coaches coming in and making an immediate impact like I think Harbaugh would.   I don't see this team doing any better than 5-7 next year if Hoke stays.

 

markusr2007

December 1st, 2014 at 3:47 PM ^

No they don't.   I laugh out loud at that idea. Not that I disagree with it.  But because  "rights to know" about your future employment is utter horseshit from fairytale land, and detached from the reality of how organizations really work.  Morally? Yes. Professionally? Maybe. Yeah, I think they should be told.  But this is seldom how things work out, particularly when organizations are in crisis mode, or having been/still being horribly mismanaged. 

This is a business. Make no mistake about it.  And it is in crisis. I also think what we are witnessing now are all the corporate hallmarks you'd come to expect: Hesitancy, lack of decisiveness, and risk avoidance behaviors commonly observed when sr. management has already performed situation assessment, data analysis and hired outside consultants only to discover that, welp, HOLY SHIT, the outlook really is shitty indeed no matter what we do (be it to shit-can brady hoke now or retain him for one more year).

I would not be surprised if Hackett had already put out feelers for Harbaugh and others and come up bumpkis or only to receive a bunch of lukewarm replies. Maybe that was the reason for his cell phone infatuation and resultant chuckles in the press box during the Ohio game? As if to laugh at himself and the situation, "what a fucking mess".

Todd92

December 1st, 2014 at 5:19 PM ^

Seriously, what are we waiting for?  How can Nebraska already have ejected Pelini and Hoke is still here?  Doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

mb121wl

December 1st, 2014 at 10:42 PM ^

Let me just say "amen" to these observations:

 

"...If you think running a spread makes your defense soft when you have to play Wisconsin, the corollary to that is that if you're not preparing for spread elements daily you will struggle when you go up against them."

"...Forcing the defense to account for a running quarterback is the best way to run the ball."

"Lloyd Carr could talk about running the ball. His teams couldn't do it, at least not well."

"I want to run the ball.  I want to run an offense that doesn't ask the QB to make complicated reads, but rather asks him to make a decision about one guy.  Hoke was a mistake for a thousand reasons, but prime amongst them was his "we're gonna run power" crap after he'd never been able to do that anywhere else."  [mb:  Is our program in the business of preparing NFL QBs or winning college games?]

"The game moves; move with it or die."

Roc Blue in the Lou

December 2nd, 2014 at 12:05 AM ^

Does Alabama run the spread?  How about Harbaugh's Cardinals at Stanford--and everybody wants JH, right??  Just an historical reminder about the great RR's spread performances against OSU:  7 points, 10 points and 7 points...that's it for offensive production with, quite possibly, the greatest running QB in our lifetime, during RR's 3 games against our main, hated rival.  27 TOTAL points in 3 years!!!!!!!!   Hell, Hoke & Co. put up 28 on Saturday...and prior to that, it was 40, 21, and 41 points.  Hmmmm that can't be right, or is it just getting history right???  That must have been RR's DC's fault...

mb121wl

December 1st, 2014 at 10:54 PM ^

Yes, you're right.  The problem is the clear-coat they put on the helmets to make them more scratch-resistant.  That's why teams with white helmets (e.g., PSU) have a shade of white that doesn't match the rest of their uniforms.

Part of the problem, too, is TV.  It exaggerates differents between high-impact plastic and woven-fiber jerseys/pants.  In "real life" the difference is muted.

The manufacturer needs to compensate for the protective coat for both the maize and the blue (which appears naby istead of lapis lazuli).

'72

December 1st, 2014 at 11:57 PM ^

There is no telling what Hackett may do. Even he doesn't know:

1.  He's busy considering whether he'll get the AD job, which he clearly wants but is not qualified for.  Wants to make Schlissel happy. And Schlissel is probably just fine with Hoke returning.

2.  He keeps making weird comments about a "deliberative process", and stuff like this:

"In a leadership sense, you wait for the moment when you're really going to (go through the evaluation). It's almost like a solemn ceremony. And that's out of a deep respect for him and a deep respect for the process that you go through to make a decision like that."  

"Process"??  Look at the weekly box scores, JH.  Done.  "Solemn ceremony"?  Needless.  The K payout is quite enough.

3. As of post-game Sat. Hoke said as far as he knew he was returning and no date for/discussion or a review.  How is that possible?  And now he's recruiting. 

 

 

 

 

BLHoke

December 2nd, 2014 at 8:10 AM ^

I'm so fuckin tired of hearing Jim Harbaugh's name constantly drilled into our brains as the ONLY option to be the next HC and turn this program around.

1. The odds of it happening appear to be slim to none. Rumors are swirling about a potential trade to another team. Is there a special clause/exception that is made once a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoff picture that allows NFL teams to make trades with NCAA D-I schools that I hadn't heard about??? Not to mention that he has never once shown, or verbalized an interest in returning to college or his alma mater.

2. Have we learned nothing from the whole "Michigan Man" premise? We need an AD and a coach that is going to change the culture of this program... Without being rattled by the press and alumni and undervaluing the history and tradition. I don't care if the next coach runs a spread, run and gun, triple option, run and shoot, wing t, or lines up and runs the annexation of Puerto Rico every 3rd play... As long as the offense can consistently put an adequate number of points on the board against good and bad teams alike. Same goes for the defense... I wouldn't mind whoever coming in retain Greg Mattison as our DC, he fields defenses that will have us in the conference championship hunt as long as our offense can put up 24-31 ppg.

3. Name shouldn't matter. Ability, acumen and track record should. Could be from a D-II or D-III school for all I care, or non AQ D-I... Seems to have worked out well for other programs in the past! (Hello Ohio St., Auburn, ND, Florida.)