At least the black stripes don't show up... good news?
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At 8:15 on a Friday, so unless they're trying to bury their publicity stunt—not likely—they were blindsided by the catalogs for like the third straight time and released them early because the cat was already out of the bag. It's 2014, guys: the internet is fast.
Goofy numbers were already known, and then the monochrome blue. They're running out of options before they start tossing around all yellow, aren't they?
At least the black stripes don't show up... good news?
It is realy frustrating hearing people on this blog continually rip a lot of the moves David Brandon makes when many of them are aimed at making us more competitive. Pumping in music to elevate the crowd noise (making the Big House a more intimidating atmosphere), scheduling marquee games like the Bama and Florida games in Arlington to start the year, and alternate jereys are all things decisions that kids my age and younger really think are cool.
Recruits obviously love all these moves as well. Just look at the high number of visitors and commits we get at the UTL games, or check the reaction to these events and announcements on social media. The players love it, the recruits love it, and we as fans should embrace it too.
Listen, I I've been watching Michigan my entire life, and I love the tradition (my old man tells me all about old time greats from when he lived in Ann Arbor) but damnit, as much as being top-15 every year was awesome, it really sucked at the end of the Lloyd era to feel like we supported a prehistoric program. I'm sure many of the same people on this board who complain about Brandon's modernizing updates to the program are the same ones who bitched and moaned about Lloyd's prehistoric playcalling on offense (waggle every third play), or soft prevent defense, our quite ass stadium (the Big House was NOT very loud until the renovations and piped in music) and our overall decline in recruiting (LLoyd was pulling in classes ranked in the teens in his last five years or so).
With stadium renovations, scoreboards and music, primetime national television showdowns, alternate jerseys, and a new coach, Brandon has addressed many of these issue. As a guy who is locked in to being a lifelong Michigan fan, I appreciate these efforts, and I think the majority of young diehard fans do too.
Just as importantly, the recuits who will eventually lead these teams to the successes and Big Ten Titles that we all long for, eat this shit up. And for that, I thank Dave Brandon.
***Before posters give me grief for posting at 10 on a Friday, I'm in watching my buddy's first preseason NFL game with the Bucs online***
Also, Denard with the 23 yard td run around the edge. Memories...
Your sense of reasoning and intellectual discourse has no place here! Blue Pants!
Name one recruit that came to Michigan or is considering us because of the alt unis.
I like em. Tradition has gotten us so far. Time to do what the kids like and let it ride if we're going to be elite again. You might cheer for laundry - I cheer or Michigan.
I'd be fine with them if they didn't have the striped numbers. Also, I really hope they won't be wearing those yellow cleats with these...
I just want the old nike "maize" back.
Now that I see the whole outfit with the blue pants, I like 'em! I don't like the striped numbers on the jersey, but overall, not bad. As an older guy, I don't mind change at all, it just has to be good change.
can I get on board with you? I'd prefer solid "maize" numbers, but this blue falcon look isn't the worst shit out there...
Hop on! If these had solid maize numbers, I'd argue this is one of the best alternate kits (okay, okay, unis) out there. And once I see these unis on TV during the actual game, I'm willing to be persuaded again.
dont care for them. My 16 year old son on the otherhand says "Freaking awesome, I want one for my birthday"
"The recruits like them."
The fact that Alabama, Texas, Penn State, and USC don't do special uniforms doesn't seem to impact their recruiting. And honestly, do we want players to come here b/c it's a good fit for the program or do we want to have to entice players with funky, fancy uniforms?
Keep on saying, "kids love what Oregon does," but they've won only one Rose Bowl and zero national titles during the Nike uniformz era. I'm not saying uniformz prevents winning championships, but it certainly doesn't improve the ability to do so.
I'm really, REALLY hoping the recruit angle is just a myth when it comes to alternate jerseys. It has to be. Sure, the young ones may like this kind of stuff but I can't believe in my heart that a recruit would turn down Michigan solely on the lack of an alternate jersey once (or in the case of 2011, 3 times a year).
An education at one of the best schools in America? Meh.
Playing in the holy cathedral of college football in front of 110,000 fans? Meh.
The fight song, the history, the tradition? Meh. Meh. Meh.
Alternate jerseys? I'M SO THERE!!!
factor but possibly a little factor. Maybe a kid takes a visit he wouldn't have because he saw Michigan vs PSU in prime time donning alternative uniforms when he was 12. In recruiting every little bit helps.
I miss the old days where recruits were satisfied just playing at a major school and fashion changes weren't even part of the equation.
uniforms does matter to recruiting. Recruits love uniforms and it is a big factor into their decision making.
It is stupid as in uniform matters in recruiting but it's the reality of recruiting.
Uniforms and Facilities plus chances of going to NFL matters more to recruits than anything.
"Uniforms and Facilities plus chances of going to NFL matters more to recruits than anything."
Throwing in "uniforms" to that list is BS. Anyone could add any random third thing to the other two things: beer, popcorn, short walk to class, wifi in the stadium, and still have it be accurate in terms of what matters most to recruits.
Trust me, I know a few recruits committed for the uniforms.
It is not BS because it is a huge factor into recruiting whether you want to admit it or not.
I was there when football coaches told one recruit that they're in the process of getting a new uniform and their interest was piqued. They were very curious and wanted to see. They kept telling him that they won't show it until before season starts on August practice. That recruit committed a week later. Not joking.
Exactly. I don't get why people are acting as if equipment and uniforms are not relevant to recruits. On my recruiting trip to the U of Buffalo they showed us their new Nike jerseys and they were nice but they really didn't pique my interest. It's a part of the equation, small or large depending on the priorities of the recruit.
"Uniforms and Facilities plus chances of going to NFL matters more to recruits than anything."
Name me one recruit who went to Alabama for the uniforms, because they have never done uniformz. They've put together the best string of recruiting classes in history (and this would be true even w/o oversigning) And if they did, it's because they like traditional, classic uniforms. And that's exactly what we should be doing.
If uniformz was important to recruiting, Alabama wouldn't be having near the success they are.
Rank the Tide among those three factors you stated as the most important.
Before 'Bama, USC and Texas were cleaning up in recruiting. Neither of them ever had new uniforms, and never did uniformz. And they didn't have any competitive advantage among the factors you listed.
Players want to go where they have a chance to win national titles, or they go where they're going to get paid the most. Period.
It's not the Michigan I know and love, but I've seen worse uniforms...
I hate everything. PSU has great alternative jerseys. They're called away whites.
Yesterday I would have agreed with you, but having read this post, I'm sure that after this game we will win every recruiting battle with them from now on - win or lose!!
Don't hate, could do without. That is all.
Jesus H I am so fed up with this crap.
I like it but don't love it. I say 7.5/10.
if anybody says the uniforms don't alter recruits' decisions, then they're probably discounting that many of us initially fell for this team because of the winged helmet. that helmet is what Michigan is known for in college football. it draws fans and it draws recruits. the uniforms matter.
ultimately, though, Michigan's football program is populated by people who want to coach for Michigan, play for Michigan, and represent Michigan.
The blue pants makes them better. They look much better on a player. The unis aren't horrific but maybe unnecessary. Not a big deal either way.
I actually think they look pretty damn cool. And contrasted against the PSU all white road uni's they should look good on TV too.
Now...if we can have all blue home uni's can we PLEASE break out the all white road uni's for a game? They actually would be actual throwbacks to the 73-74 seasons.
And we went 20-1-1 those two years so there's that going for it.
We're in the minority here but I would enjoy seeing that for a game. Like, a real white pants uniform with the regular shirt, not the garbage they brought to State three years ago.
I'm cool with simple variations like all-whites for the occasional big away game. If Bo dressed his team like that, then what's the issue? I would love to hear Bo's opinion on all of these uniformz if he were around today. I think he'd have a little mentoring moment with DB behind the woodshed, and we wouldn't have to endure this BS.
The away jerseys should be the same style as the home. Solid white (including the collar), and lose the maize trim around the numbers/lettering. Keep it simple and clean. It's sharp and classic - striking. I'd be very happy with a return to this (below), but I'd even lose the sleeve stripes. Also, visible Under Armor type sleeves should be solid white (or blue for home). The sleaves with logos/stripes/whatever just look inconsistent, busy, and sloppy. Keep it all clean and let the helmet stand out.
Back to reality, and these all-blue uniformz... I'm in the home-unis-off-limits camp, but these are at least not embarrassing, EXCEPT for the WTF cheesy number striping that looks 100% the differentiating-alteration-for-jersey-sales sellout that it is.
I think there is nothing that looks better than our traditional home uniforms, especially at night. Having said that, I think the pants actually look really good. Would have preferred that the jersey numbers stay the same as normal, but overall this is not a bad look at all (even if it isn't the gold standard of our normal home unis).
Now what we wore against Alabama, South Carolina, and MSU in the last few years, ... those were an abomination and disgrace to Michigan tradition.
Please stop painting flames on a Porsche. This is fine for a Civic, but not for us.
I like them do not love them, could be worse. The stripes on the numbers not so much, nothing beats our originals, gonna be hard to get used to these during the game.
Sorry. Call me stupid, but these will look badass under the lights. I love the all-Blues. Would I have chosen to stripe the numbers? Probably not. But who cares. Beat Penn State.
Dave Brandon is a massive, throbbing, suppurative ball bag.
I always felt the helmet was the most iconic portion of the Michigan football uniform and I honestly wouldn't even mind an alternate helmet as long as it was for one game. I noticed a lot of posters on here are vehemently against any type of alternate uniform. I understand the whole tradition thing being a third generation alumni. What's the big deal about switching it up for one game? Especially when we all know the players and recruits love it. Just curious.
Do we not count the matte helmets from the Outback Bowl?
Winning cures all. If they win in them, people will come around. Part of the reason we hate most (if not all) of the alternate jerseys we've seen recently is that they're tied to devastating losses. For me, I love seeing the UTL jersey with the big M on the chest because it reminds me of Irish tears and people rocking in the stadium for an hour after the game. Had that ball fallen incomplete, I'd probably hate the sight of those jerseys. Just win. That's all I want. Beat Penn State.
These are the best alternate uniforms we have done so far IMO. I am however of the thought process that Michigan, USC, Bama, and Penn State should never, ever, ever change anything about their jersey's because they are a BRAND!
I forgot about the matte helmet. those uniforms were horrific. If PizzaBoy touches the helmet again I'm going to cut off his johnson.
I believe in nothing...except our traditional home uniform.
What does Brandon need with his Johnson, dude?
The blue pants are really the biggest change. It's really pretty negligible for people to get up in arms about, but that's the way it goes. You do anything slightly different and it's all "rabble rabble." I think these look better than the Outback Bowl unis, Cowboy Classic unis, or white alternates against MSU.
I think these alternate uniforms look better than that raccoon that got hit on the road out in front of my house that's been rotting there in the ditch for the last week and a half, so they can't be so bad, right?
I fucking hate this tinkering...ironic how we find the current program state parallels this.
Michigan is all about tradition, most wins ever, highest winning percentage all-time, strongest SOS all-time, etc. Bo had to preach to his assistants when they started in AA hanging their coats on nail hooks when one was dumb enough to say, "Shit, we had better facilities than this at Miami." Talk about a diabtribe. "Have you ever hung your coat in the same place as Yost, Crisler, Oosterbaan, et. al. Do you realize the helmet here alone is worth three recruits a year? Do you think they've won the most games in history by how nice the coach's locker space is, how nice the uniforms? No, they've won because when you run out of that tunnel, you're on the field where greateness has become a habit. And I asked all of you to join me because I thought you had what it took to restore Michigan to the top." Guess he didn't have much to say after that, and neither did they. If we went back to our uniforms, had the balls to do there, recruits would feel the same way.
Reporter: "What do you think of the alternate uniforms?"
Player (in his head): "Those things are effing hideous. I'll feel embarrassed walking out of the locker room in them. Now I know how my sister and her friends felt when they complained about those ugly bridesmaid dresses they had to wear. Can I say all that? Hmmm, if I do, then every single newspaper and blog will write about what I said. Some will paint me as some sort of malcontent that is trying to rock the boat. They'll say that I'm not supporting the program. Coach Hoke will probably even get mad at me for airing my true feelings in public like that."
Player (out loud): "Uhhh, they're great. I love them. They're real, uhh, unique."
Players like Mike Hart, who will just say whatever truth hits them with complete and total confidence, consquences be damned, are few and far between. 99.99% censor themselves with question like that and tow the company line even if they don't like it. Which isn't to say they all hate them. I'm sure some don't. But the ones that do will never come out and say it.
Also, I disagree that the players should even have a say in this. When you join the football program, you are joining something that is bigger than yourself. It's about being part of the 130+ years of tradition, not me, me, me, and I want to wear this or that. They should have a say in certain things. But the tradition that they signed on to be part of is cheapened when it is toyed around with, and if they don't understand that, then the tradition hasn't been adequately explained.
If the players on this team decided that the line "champions of the west" was outdated and should be replaced with a more modern line, they wouldn't have any say in that. The uniforms are just as much a part of the tradition.