Most Ohio State fans aren't idiots.
Today's recruiting roundup discusses (sigh) the Tuley-Tillman fallout, updated Rivals250, Derrick Green, and a group of new 2014 offers.
The aftermath of the Logan Tuley-Tillman letter-burning continues to get ugly. These are things 17-year-olds should simply never have to deal with:
"I got threats coming at me from everywhere -- death threats," [Tuley-Tillman] said by phone Tuesday. "I got somebody telling me he wants me to burn in hell. I got somebody talking about the Holocaust.
"Why, 'cause I burned your team's envelope? Stuff like that I don’t understand. I’m only 17. It takes a lot of emotion for someone to do that, just over an affiliation to a school.
"But you know what? God bless 'em. I'm moving on."
That's as reasonable a reaction as you could ever expect from anyone, let alone a high school student who's still amazed that their personal Twitter posting could ever possibly go viral. My 17-year-old self would've reacted much differently; namely, how Kyle Bosch reacted:
Before I comment on the tweet, here's Bosch's clarification of the above, via Tremendous:
On the comment: "I'm just trying to defend my teammate and my friend. Logan is like a brother to me and when somebody threatens his life and his family's life, I am going to come to his defense. The gun comment has been taken out of context. I'm only saying that if you're going to threaten my friend and brother that you better bring a gun because if you're truly threatening his life, you'll have to take mine too. I should have realized that it may have been misinterpreted, but it's hard not to be angry when he and his mother have gone through so much".
Bosch's explanation is admirable, in that slightly misguided and naïve high school way of showing true loyalty; his friend came under siege, and he responded in kind. I largely agree with what Adam Jacobi has to say on the whole matter, with one point of contention:
That's what this all comes down to in the long run—idiots. Most college football fans aren't idiots. Most Ohio State fans aren't idiots. Idiots have a way of dominating the conversation, though—particularly online—and as such it's always important to keep one thing in mind before you express yourself online: "How would an idiot respond to this?"
By dealing in death threats, intimidation and casual classlessness, Tuley-Tillman, Bosch and however many Ohio State fans were involved all brought themselves down to the levels of idiots.
What Tuley-Tillman did was not idiotic, it was juvenile, and at the age of 17 he has every excuse to be a little juvenile; his action in and of itself did no harm. The response, of course, was idiotic. Bosch's reaction was less excusable than Tuley-Tillman's initial action, but again, we're talking about kids in high school here; his intentions were good—defending a teammate whose life had been threatened—but the consequences weren't properly considered.
Should Tuley-Tillman and Bosch be more careful about what they post online, considering their new-found status as minor celebrities? Absolutely. But missteps by high school students are very understandable. It's what is being directed at these guys from fans that is truly idiotic. This isn't so much a problem with recruits these days—remember, Devin Gardner did the exact same thing as LTT, but in the pre-Twitter era faced little-to-no backlash—but the level of access fans have to recruits and their misguided* impression that social media affords fans an open forum for hatred without consequence.
Is there a solution for this? Right now, not really: the current state of unregulation makes it difficult for much to be done beyond exposing the idiots. It might not be a bad idea for the coaching staff to step in, talk with the commits about proper social media protocol, and ensure that enough is being done from that end that these situations can be avoided as much as possible.
* Though, admittedly, that impression would be far more misguided if people were actually charged for the laws they break via social media. I'd love to see some of these internet tough guys dragged to court for the threats they make to people who would snap them in half if they ever met in real life.
After releasing an updated top 100 on Tuesday, Rivals has continued updating their rankings, and now we have current commit movement for the top 250:
Obviously, the big change here is Tuley-Tillman falling over 100 spots, though this isn't a huge surprise considering his recent camp struggles, which can be at least partially explained by a nagging shoulder injury. Otherwise, the movement is pretty minor. For what it's worth, Morris features as one of the recruits on the cusp of five stars.
Conveniently heading off any complaints—Rivals hates us now, Pawwwwwl—Rivals also released their initial team rankings. Michigan is a strong #1, posting 2,301 points, which would've been good for the #5 class in the country in 2012 at the end of the recruiting cycle. The Wolverines are nearly 300 points clear of second-ranked Texas. Other notables include Ohio State (#7), Notre Dame (#9), Penn State (#16), Nebraska (#20), Illinois (#21), Michigan State (#24), Iowa (#31), and Wisconsin (#33).
Interesting side-note: CBSSports's Brian Fischer points out that this year's class has far more consensus about the top players among the various recruiting services than any other in recent memory. As sites like YouTube, Hudl, ScoutingOhio, and others continue to make creating and sharing film a simple proposition, I think rankings will trend in this direction; the more common information, the greater the consensus.
Bleacher Report released a video feature on Kyle Bosch in which he breaks down why he committed to Michigan, his favorite play to run, and his dream prom date:
Brendan Gibbons applauds the selection of two brunettes, but how does this affect the status of Kate Upton, matron saint of Michigan commits?
VA RB Derrick Green, the newly-anointed Rivals #1 running back, remains in close contact with Michigan. According to his interview with Tremendous, Green plans to make not just one, but two trips to Ann Arbor before wrapping up his recruitment:
"I'll definitely be taking an official to Michigan. No question. I'll be up there this summer as well to talk with Coach Hoke since I haven't gotten to talk with him personally yet and then I want to make it out for a game as well".
Sam Webb reportedly had good things to say about Michigan's chances with Green on his radio show yesterday, and this is another very positive sign.
Things could move quickly at defensive tackle for the Wolverines, starting with MA DT Maurice Hurst Jr.'s visit this weekend, one that could quite possibly produce a commitment (remember to practice proper vehicle safety, recruitniks). MD DT Henry Poggi has long been thought to have a summer commitment timetable, and the same appears to be the case for recently-offered TX DT Hardreck Walker, who told GBW's Kyle Bogenshutz that he'll announce before his senior season ($, info in header). Walker is trying to set up a summer visit, though nothing is set in stone, and he has Michigan in his top six schools; we'll see if there's a spot left to take when he's ready to decide, though we'll have to see if he visits before getting hopes up for a commitment.
Quickly: MI K/P J.J. McGrath will camp in the hopes of earning a scholarship offer ($), though it's highly unlikely that Michigan will use a spot on a specialist in this class. TTB scouts AZ WR Devon Allen. Happy trails to IL OL Ethan Pocic, who committed to LSU.
Sam Webb's latest at the Detroit News covers TX CB Nick Watkins, the son of former Detroit Lions defensive back Bobby Watkins. At 6'1", 180 pounds, Watkins has great size for a cornerback, and his coach has high praise for his skill and athleticism:
"The thing about it is you have a corner that is 6-foot-plus that has speed, has great hips, and great ball skills," Bishop Dunne coach Michael Johnson told Scout.com. "I mean, the kid's got arms down to his ankles almost. He's smooth. He's the type of player that makes it look effortless. Him being great off the field in the classroom just makes him that much more marketable. He's the total package."
Watkins tells Webb that he's currently favoring Alabama, Michigan, Arkansas, and Ohio State, with Texas also in the mix, but he's still "keeping it wide open" and won't be making an early commitment.
Michigan sent out a few new sophomore offers recently:
Quickly: Cleveland St. Ignatius OT Jimmy Byrne will visit campus on Sunday. Four-star GA S Nick Glass has set up a visit for June 25th ($). FL WR Austin Roberts will visit in July ($). AL ATH Bo Scarbrough has Michigan in his top four($) along with Alabama, Florida, and Georgia.
Most Ohio State fans aren't idiots.
Replying here so it'll be seen.
The team rankings formula was changed from last year's formula. We do NOT have a top 5 class by last year's standards.
From the above link:
"Why did Rivals.com change the rankings formula?
We wanted a formula that was easy for everyone to use, most importantly our subscribers!
The past formula, though it worked as intended, was very complex, and didn't provide our subscribers a simple way of calculating their team's point totals, and class ranking, if a certain prospect committed to their school.
So starting with the class of 2013, we made some changes, using the point scales above."
but now I realize that I confused him and Pocic
Finally something I don't like about Shane Morris...
Easily one of my top five hated words (in any form). But I think I can give him a pass.
Yeah, I know what you're saying... much prefer "swag."
Ace, you appear to be in violation of the blog's stated No Bleacher Report policy. Does this represent a one-time aberration, or a change in philosophy at MoGoBlog? Inquiring minds want to know.
Depends on the content. If it's a first-hand interview with a recruit or a piece by Adam Jacobi (check that link... also Bleacher Report) and relevant to the interests of the blog, it'll show up here. B/R still has more than its fair share of amateurish writing and stupid slideshows, but there's also been a very concerted effort on their part to attract top-notch "featured writers" and generate more original content. That's a welcome change, and I'm not going to ignore pertinent and well-written information simply because it's from B/R.
Believe it or not, Brian was the one who pinged me with a link to the Bosch video, so I'm assuming he's on board with this as well. Pretty sure he's linked some of Jacobi's work on B/R already.
They also brought aboard KegsNEggs writer, Adam Kramer. They're making a concerted effort to improve as Ace said. B/R is trying to build some legitimate credibility by trying to bring in established bloggers. I think this is something similar to what SBN did right [without the whole bad rep beforehand]?
BAN ALL THE SLIDESHOWS WHO THE HELL WANTS TO SEE SLIDE SHOWS WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD MOVE PLEASE GET RID OF THEM FOREVER UNTILL THEN I WILL NEVER READ YOUR SITE BECAUSE SLIDE SHOWS ARE REALLY STUPID AND JUST A WAY TO GENERATE AD REVENUE GAA I HATE ALL SLIDE SHOWS EVER GAAAAAA
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Short term goals: Play as a freshman…maybe start…then try to be a captain sophomore or junior year…Big Ten championship, Rose Bowl or National Championship at least…and then after that, I’m going to take it one step at a time.
If we land Green, it will completely erase the bad taste of losing Isaac to USC (and then some).
Plus, the "Go Green" chants from Spartan fans will be especially amusing.
That and landing a recruit that in the beginning of the cycle was assumed to be a mortal lock to OSU.
I was just thinking the same thing. How upset will the Spartans be seeing Green on the back of a Wolverine uniform?
...about Sam Webb's comments, he stated that among Green's currently favored trio of Clemson, Auburn and Michigan, only MIchigan will feature a pro-style offense, an offense Green states is his best (but not sole) fit. Webb reiterated that this morning on The Michigan Insider during his Recruiting Round Up.
"... or Carmen Electra ten years ago." Kid was checking out the babes when he was six or seven years old. Awesome!
Carmen Electra is super hot, I'll give him that. Or at least she used to be.
People tend to take what he says too far, though. He'll say, "I think Michigan leads for Player X," and people turn that into "Player X is going to commit to Michigan." Sam will tell you he has a "gut feeling" about a guy if he means to say the latter.
It's called "creative hearing."
I embarrassed myself on this site about Jordan Diamond last recruiting season. I had direct information from people heavily involved in his meetings with school reps (like Singletary for example) and as it turns out, the kid just changed his mind 180 degrees 5 minutes after he said things out loud. He may be an extreme example but high school kids do change their mind and sometimes don't exactly entirely mean what they say. So Webb and others can just report what they see at that moment.
Sam Webb is the only reporter to state a school besides Clemson or OSU having a shot. Just saying.
I know it's sports and it's a rivalry, but it's a piece of paper. A PIECE OF PAPER. I don't know how you can get so angry about a piece of paper being burned. Some people are just...idiots.
Sure, just like "Most of the internet is not porn and cat videos."
Both of those are huge disappointments if true.
...we're talking about porn videos and cat videos, not porn and cat videos.
Would you guys please stop with the pussy jokes?
(Sorry, couldn't pass it up!)
Porn and cat is cool, porn with cat is across the line.
Wait wait wait, Bosch says "The thing that stuck out to me most was Coach Hoke said, 'Don't rush it, you'll know when it's time.'"
But I thought Hoke was FORCING these kids to commit when they visit or he would revoke their offers. That's how this class has come together so quickly.
Something doesn't add up here...
Has Derrick Green been tearing it up at camps lately or something? I'm surprised Rivals has him as the #1 RB.
He showed up at camps and looked all big and stuff, so Rivals thinks he's going to be a superstar.
Worth mentioning that the Champaign NFTC is this weekend and will include 2013 commits Lewis and Butt, as well as 2013 target Treadwell.
Question: What happens when you combine low self esteem and alcohol?
Edit: Ignore. Response was to a troll who's comment was thankfully deleted. Comment still shows up on the mobile app.