Scroll down to about midway through the article. I get the impression that Jackson wasn't exactly thrilled with McGuffie's decision to sit this game out. There are rumors now that he won't be traveling with the team to Columbus next week as well. Make of it what you will.
http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=877096
Jay, you're going to get
Yeah,
I suppose you're right. If he doesn't make the trip to Columbus, then you have to wonder if he's considering transferring. I hope he sticks around. I think he can be a very good slot receiver in this offense.
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Paging TomVH
Time to make some calls...this is a kid we can't afford to lose.
I already...
I already have a couple messages out. I'm assuming no one wants to talk tonight though, so I don't know when I'll hear back. I'll let you know.
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make me want to post another Appreciation Thread. You are the man.
that is bullshit on
that is bullshit on McGuffie's part. if he's considering transferring b/c of our current season then that's just weak.
i only respect other superfans
It would suck if he
It would suck if he transferred, but I wouldn't view it as catastrophic. All of our other backs and receivers will return (barring unexpected offseason attrition).
Not a death blow, but
almost no doubt that he will be something special in a year or 2 at the latest. I like Shaw as more of a power back in the scheme RR wants to run but McG leaving would strip us of the quick lil guy that we need.
I don't.....
I don't want to lose him, but we do have Jeremy Gallon and Vincent Smith coming in next year. But, I agree with everyone that he'll be something special.
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Can't be relying on frosh all
the time. I like Minor for next year but I'd like someone to step up for '10 or '09 if Minor's injuries continue to nag, etc.
it would be pretty shitty if
it would be pretty shitty if he transferred.
i only respect other superfans
Players decide if they want to go?
I always assumed that was a coach's or doctor's decision.
A player has to get medical
A player has to get medical clearance to play. I don't think there's any rule about players having to agree to play before they're put in the game, but I imagine that it's risky (from a team chemistry standpoint) for a coach to force a player to play if the player doesn't think he's healthy enough.
McGuffie's white, no loss.
McGuffie's white, no loss. LOL....ha ha....just kidding.
I really hope he doesn't transfer..that sucks. Hopefully this is just Jay be negative like always. boo-ya.
Hey Jay, I heard Lloyd, Rodriguez, Beilein and Red Berenson died in a fiery car crash tonight. Anybody hear about this?
No question, Jim.
Jay, I'm just playin.
Jay, I'm just playin.
No question, Jim.
Interesting
I guess I'm just imagining the world of getting the needle and going back in. It seems to me it would be worse for team chemistry to practice all week and then pull yourself out the morning of the game.
Ok....maybe I'm kinda
Ok....maybe I'm kinda dumb...what does this mean?:
I guess I'm just imagining the world of getting the needle and going back in.
No question, Jim.
Since we're not talking about baseball
Since we're not talking about baseball (bad joke), I'm assuming he's talking about when players go back to the locker room a la Chad Henne, get a shot to reduce/minimize pain, maybe rub a little dirt on it, and continue to play through an injury. Apparently, they don't always work:
"Until I read a recent Free Press article, I did not realize the seriousness and extent of his shoulder injury this year, that taking a snap under center would sometimes dislocate it, that a shot in the joint intended to be curative, touched a nerve in a rare scenario, and numbed the hand causing an untimely interception. That explains his struggle in the loss at Wisconsin."
http://umgoblue.com/absolutenm/templates/default.aspx?a=479&template=pri...
Touchdown Michigan!
Well, that's not good either.
Well, that's not good either. But that just makes the one player look bad, not the coach. If you're the coach and you start forcing guys to suit up against their will, that could alienate a lot of your other players.
Playing hurt
Was what I was trying to reference. Re-reading, it looks like a pretty poorly worded sentence.
Good Point
Well. There have certainly been a few rumors about homesickness and now this. I think RR's game works with just about any of the backs we have here. Maybe it would be better for all parties if McGuffie ended up closer to home next year.
"he practiced all week. . .i was shocked"
dude practices all week and then can't go on game day? and ur position coach calls u out like jackson did in this quote? not about asking a player to take a needle for the team, he's gone. . . .
All In Worldwide
Bad sign
either he wasn't tough enough to play after practicing all week, or he's disenchanted and looking to go--either one is bad, but then first--if he stays--is worse for us
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
i hate to be pessimistic
i hate to be pessimistic about this one but my guess is that he is transferring...
i only respect other superfans
As Ivan Drago would say:
"If
As Ivan Drago would say:
"If he transfers, he transfers."
silent sam
(see my pic for how i feel about him as a woverine). keeps his mouth shut and does not draw attention to himself, just wants to contribute. prototype M football player. hope he stays.
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I'd say he's more like Jon
I'd say he's more like Jon Riggens...or Steve Largent.....or Brandon Stokley......or Ricky Proehl.....or Larry Csonka....or Red Grange....or JACOB HESTER....OR
ANY FUCKING WHITE GUY, RIGHT?
No question, Jim.
If Sam Leaves......
..........a lot of people are going to __________. You fill in the blank. This guy was about as true blue at heart as you can get.
If he's true blue, why the
If he's true blue, why the transfer rumors? Are you suggesting that the staff has done him wrong?
When McGuffie was recruited,
When McGuffie was recruited, he was all blue! From his myspace page to whatever he said in the media. When he picked his team on the air in Houston it was MI. When Carr left, he wavered to CAL, the Jackson brought him in. The question you have to ask yourself as a player is what form of blue are you loyal to. Maybe he sees this is not a good fit for him. But if he goes it's bad juju for MI. And I am talking from an offseason PR position. Im sure if he goes, Mr. McGuffie wont say it is over Family values though. And I wouldnt be surprised if he winds up back at CAL, Texas or Texas Tech(depending on Leach).
Overblown
I am sorry, but you guys are blowing this particular quote from Fred Jackson way out of proportion. I read all of your comments before I read the actual article, and I was getting kinda worried. Then I decided to read Fred Jackson's quote for myself and saw absolutely nothing that would advise such skeptical reactions and paranoia.
For a true freshman, McGuffie has been given allot of playing time this year and is in a system that perfectly suits his skills and abilities. Why would he consider transferring? It seems like a great situation for him. I could be wrong, but I just do not have any reason to believe that Sam is going to be playing for a different team next year, and this article definitely does not suggest anything of that nature.
the issue isn't so much
the transfer, the clear implication from Jackson is that McGuffie wussed out--that is worrisome enough on its own
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
I've also heard he's
I've also heard he's very likely considering transferring, probably to Cal.
Can't really do much but say, "Oh well, he doesn't deserve Michigan," and pretend like this isn't going to be a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge loss.
...and by that, I mean helter-skelter, willy-nilly and putt-putt!
Source?
What's your source of that? And frankly, it doesn't make much sense. Cal's not closer to home, it can't be a playing time issue, and if he's a little gun-shy right now, it's not like a pro-set is going to be any easier for him.
Guys? He could just be, you
Guys? He could just be, you know, hurt.
If he stays, I hope the people proactively talking about his "lack of toughness" or other such shit get ball-smacked.
Chitown...
it's not guys here disputing his toughness, it started with Fred Jackson---not known as the biggest hard-ass in the room. If he questions you, there may be an issue no?
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
You're reading things into
You're reading things into the quote that aren't there. All he said is that McGuffie felt he couldn't play.
"He has injuries
but he has to be able to get past them and go. I was shocked". That Jackson quote seems fairly derogatory.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
I guess, unlike you, I'm not
I guess, unlike you, I'm not going to judge a kid based on my interpretation of Jackson's tone in a printed quote.
To be clear,
I'm not stating that he is gutless, and I have no idea what type of person he is, he may be outstanding in every way. But when you have a coach in a quote questioning your will, and excuse me but that quote from Jackson is not really open to interpretation, the point is that there is something up that raises a question.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
You actually, in so many
You actually, in so many words, questioned his toughness:
"the clear implication from Jackson is that McGuffie wussed out--that is worrisome enough on its own".
And clearly, the quote is open to interpretation, as we interpret it differently.
This is why I love this board...
... a philosophical point made in the context of our team. I suppose we could debate whether all interpretations are purely subjective in this world or is there an objective truth that can be grasped by those with the wit to perceive--but let's save that.
I'm concerned because Jackson questioned it--not me. I actually admired his toughness early this year in catching that one ball over the middle and getting cracked, then coming back. But when your coach questions your will, that has implications for perception and thus playing time, for someone that could be one of our best players in future.
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
Actually...
This was what the article said:
"Those were the disappointing parts. Others were downright frustrating to the coaches, including freshman running back Sam McGuffie's game time decision to pull himself from the lineup.
"Sam came [to me] right before the game and decided he was too banged up to go," said running backs coach Fred Jackson. "He's got some injuries. He's a freshman and he has to be able to fight through them and go. I thought he was ready to go. He practiced every day. I was shocked."
So the author was asserting that the coaches were frustrated with his decision not to play. I don't have a problem with the kid not playing. But if the coaches can be frustrated and shocked, I don't find it too unreasonable for fans to react negatively to this news.
Or maybe we shouldn't parse
Or maybe we shouldn't parse the shit out of an individual comment relating to a situation we don't know that much about?
Nahh, fuck that, belittle away.
What I was saying, a-rod, was
What I was saying, a-rod, was that I wasn't going to reach a conclusion about McGuffie's relative toughness based solely on Jackson's quote. I wasn't going to assume that he pussied out of playing, or whatever, due to that.
It turns out that patience was the correct thing - we've now learned that McGuffie's grandmother had died that morning, so perhaps the various comments castigating his toughness were premature, and perhaps we shouldn't have damned him based on the single quote. No?
Just because the comment is
Just because the comment is unambiguously negative, doesn't mean that all of the also-negative implications are true.
"I'm homesick." That is clearly a negative comment. No two ways about it. Nothing positive about being homesick. "McGuffie is going to transfer to another school now" is a big leap from the first statement. Just like all the conclusions that were being jumped to by commenters.
I think the common sense that was being lauded was the ability to acknowledge Jackson's comment as negative, yet not let become monumental without further evidence.
I actually hadn't put
I actually hadn't put anywhere near that much thought into my comment. I'm just saying this whole comment thread was unnecessary because we know very little and we can't change it anyway.
I agree with Chitown... maybe
I agree with Chitown... maybe if the guy had a gut feeling he wasn't able to make it happen yesterday, he was honest to his coaches about it. It's a little disappointing because he's been so BA despite his size, but let's not throw him under the train just yet. After all, this is our boy Sam.
Let's not borrow trouble here...
I was told..
I was told by a source that McGuffie told Fred Jackson he was ready to go at halftime......and was laughed at.
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Hey Chitown Blue! Stop with
Hey Chitown Blue! Stop with all the logic and common sense. This is where people go to leap to false conclusions.
Jay, you're going to get hammered for your negativity again!
No question, Jim.