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Forcier's Shoulder: Probably More Than Bruised
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This week's lines just came out. Here's the Michigan-Michigan State one:
| 10/03 12:00 PM |  |
| 155 Michigan | |
| 156 Michigan St | Big 10 GAME OFF BOARD Michigan-QB-Forcier-Questionable |
Urgh. Here's why Forcier is questionable:
There's another one if you want it. I watched Forcier go off the field holding his arm awkwardly. It may be bruised heavily. It may be sprained. According to one long-time poster who ran into him Saturday night, it's the latter:
…he said he has a AC joint sprain and a big bruise. He said he injured himself like this before in high school and he couldn't throw until Friday of that week.
He was in obvious pain and wouldn't shake anyones hand with his right arm. We'll see, but its a little more serious than just a "bruise". That being said, he looked fine throwing the ball on that last TD pass to Odoms.
1577 points and more than a year registered. This is not a drive-by.
Sprains can be weird; you can operate with them okay immediately afterwards only to wake up the next day virtually unable to move the joint because of all the swelling. Forcier's touchdown to Odoms is no assurance he'll be fine for next week. Medical-talkin' guys on the internet on AC joint sprains:
If you don't need surgery, range-of-motion exercises should be started as pain eases, followed by a program of strengthening. At first, exercises are done with the arm kept below shoulder level. The program advances to include strength exercises for the rotator cuff and shoulder blade muscles. In most cases, the pain goes away almost completely within three weeks. Full recovery can take up to six weeks for grade two separations and up to 12 weeks for grade three separations. Since there is little danger of making the condition worse, you can usually do whatever activities you can tolerate.
Given the lack of concern expressed by both Rodriguez and Forcier in the aftermath of the Indiana game, it's probably a Grade 1 AC joint sprain that isn't a huge deal. The above link indicates that treatment for these sorts of injuries is "pain medications and a short period of rest using a shoulder sling." Don't expect Forcier to do any throwing most of the week; do expect his name on Thursday's injury report, probably as, yes, "questionable."
I bet he at least gives it a go. If there's no chance playing with it makes the thing worse, he can take a painkilling injection and be okay. There's some probability he's noticeably affected by it, though, and we should expect to see more Denard Robinson.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:53 PM | 
KILL THE
KILL THE
September 27th, 2009 at 5:57 PM |
kinda wish
kinda wish
we were playing Delaware St. this week. But, we didn't recruit Denard to sit on the bench. Let's see what he is made of.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:49 PM |
I don't think Denard is ready
I don't think Denard is ready
I feel like half of those exchange problems with mooseman were as much on Denard. I don't feel good about this week if he has to go the majority of the game. Not to be a downer....
"But it is better to live here in sackcloth and ashes than to own the whole state of Ohio."
-- Lafcadio Hearn
September 27th, 2009 at 8:50 PM |
Content?
Content?
Dilithium?
Wasting away in Ohio, a Wolverine in a sea of red and grey
September 27th, 2009 at 9:28 PM |
agreed
agreed
It sounds like Tate will be able to play, probably. But if Tate can't go then it's going to have to be the DRob show on Saturday. Maybe if he gets a couple long runs in, early, Sparty will go into full blown meltdown mode....
September 27th, 2009 at 6:00 PM |
You need to get off this blog
You need to get off this blog
You need to get off this blog and study, so you got some time to watch the Tigers during the week.
Not surprised about Brian's eval of Tate, Kid was in serious pain and arm just a hangin
September 27th, 2009 at 6:05 PM |
Michigan Student's word
Michigan Student's word
is good enough for me.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:05 PM |
ohno
ohno
Everything is ruined forever!
September 27th, 2009 at 6:24 PM |
I had the grade two (didn't
I had the grade two (didn't
I had the grade two (didn't warrant surgery) sprain while at Michigan. The pain was immense. I woke up hung over with what felt like a knife in my shoulder every time I moved it. When I checked my computer, I saw some seething IM's I sent while in pain and black out. Apparently as soon as the adrenaline of wrestling wore off, the pain got plenty worse.
Took two weeks in a sling before I could even lift anything more than 10 lbs over my shoulder. It still pulls a little bit whenever I try to throw a baseball or football. The joint between my humorous on shoulder actually dropped a little less than a centimeter.
EDIT: I've also had a mild first degree on my left shoulder, and that was much more mild, although I don't use the left as often, making it less noticeable. I was "normal" with the left hand within a week and a half.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:30 PM |
Ya I had a grade 3 separated
Ya I had a grade 3 separated
Ya I had a grade 3 separated shoulder and agree that the pain is very intense and debilitating. Its not one of those injuries you can really play with, at least not at my level of severity. I don't know how a grade 1 separation feels, but if its even remotely close to the pain I felt then we will be without Tate for at least a few games.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:20 PM |
nm
nm
nm
September 27th, 2009 at 6:24 PM |
Beating Sparty without Tate
Beating Sparty without Tate
Beating Sparty without Tate will be icing on the cake.
There are no corners in space.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:27 PM |
Denard and flaky Spartans
Denard and flaky Spartans
Psychologically, starting Denard might be effective against MSU. Why do I say that? They're emotionally volatile (historically, at least), and seeing DR out there might result in a letdown for an already shaky defense. I can dream, anyway.
"..."
September 27th, 2009 at 6:29 PM |
Pretty sure you're going to
Pretty sure you're going to
Pretty sure you're going to have to drug Tate and knock him out to keep him out of next Saturday's game...
http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.com (UPDATED: 5/27)
September 27th, 2009 at 6:29 PM |
You can bet that we'll see Sheridan in there too.
You can bet that we'll see Sheridan in there too.
Whether that means disaster has preceded it or will follow thereupon, who knows... Maybe Nick will score the winning touchdown.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:32 PM |
Nick score winning TD?
Nick score winning TD?
If that happens there will be mass head asplodage - on both sides.
Michigan Resurgent? Michigan Resurgent!
Cubby, add the wolverines!
September 27th, 2009 at 6:42 PM |
Sheridan == Death (to MSU)?
Sheridan == Death (to MSU)?
Sheridan == Death (to MSU)?
September 27th, 2009 at 6:56 PM |
I don't expect...
I don't expect...
those words to ever be used in any given situation. Never have been used together, and never will.
Andy, for the last time, I don't want your giant box of pornography.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:44 PM |
mass head asplodage would be fun to observe
mass head asplodage would be fun to observe
both at Spartinaville and round these parts. I know Nick ain't overly talented, but I get really tired of the constant negging he gets around here and elsewhere, given that virtually all of it is by doughy internet tough guys who would crap their pants if they were in his cleats.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:38 AM |
Exactly. Back off of Sheridan.
Exactly. Back off of Sheridan.
Enough with the bashing, and if anyone doesn't think he's playing next week (assuming Tate can't go) you're kidding yourselves. He'll play significant reps, and since I believe RR when he says Nick is much improved, that doesn't bother me (apart from making me far less confident of a win).
"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite."
September 27th, 2009 at 8:12 PM |
god bless Nick
god bless Nick
but if we see Nick in any meaningful minutes, hand me the whiskey
"Play hard and with great effort"
September 27th, 2009 at 6:51 PM |
At least Denard will have
At least Denard will have
At least Denard will have most of the week to practice with the ones, if Tate isn't going to play. He'll need to step it up big time if he starts.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:20 PM |
Hopefully Forcier is at least
Hopefully Forcier is at least
Hopefully Forcier is at least questionable on the injury report to keep the sparty guessing and confused!!
September 27th, 2009 at 6:54 PM |
Pain killing injection?
Pain killing injection?
Pain killing injection? Please don't let the guy that worked on Henne's shoulder near him.
Here's to a speedy recovery.
"If left isn't right, then right is all you have left. Right?" - Beagly Beagly to the Great Grape Ape
September 27th, 2009 at 6:55 PM |
New odds
New odds
Bookmaker.com has us a 2 point favorites on the road:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/odds
"We were both wrestling for it and I just Mike Barwised him."
-Donovan Warren
September 27th, 2009 at 7:16 PM |
shat. i hope he can play
shat. i hope he can play
shat. i hope he can play against msu, BUT if it isn't better by friday, don't let him play. we don't want the same thing to happen to him that happened to chad. if he can't play hopefully denard can really show the spartans what their profession is.
I have Hokeamania
40-34...Hail. I still hate tsio...10 months til we meet again.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:21 PM |
If Forcier can't play...
If Forcier can't play...
It is hard to imagine Robinson in there the whole game. There seems to be an awful lot of the playbook that he can't execute reliably. I mean no disrespect to Robinson, but Sparty will put 7 or 8 in the box and make Denard prove he is a passing threat.
Sheridan sees the field.
Marc Shepherd
New York, NY
September 27th, 2009 at 7:38 PM |
So you're suggesting that
So you're suggesting that
So you're suggesting that Sparty will be afraid of the arm of Sheridan?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:03 PM |
Sheridan is the opposite
Sheridan is the opposite
Robinson is obviously more of a pure talent than Sheridan, but so far he is too predictable. So Sparty will assume the keeper on every down, and make Robinson prove he can beat it consistently. I am not yet sure that he can.
If we take Rodriguez at his word, Sheridan has more command of the whole offense, although with less of the physical skills to execute it. He operates at a lower level than Forcier, but the defense can't assume he'll keep it on every down. Indeed, for Sheridan the keeper is probably the least attractive option.
Believe me, I am not pining for Sheridan. Far from it. I am just saying that I don't think Robinson can run the offense for 60 minutes.
Marc Shepherd
New York, NY
September 27th, 2009 at 10:07 PM |
He won't have to. 8 10-second
He won't have to. 8 10-second
He won't have to. 8 10-second drives. Sparty wins TOP battle 58:40 to 1:20. UM wins ballgame 56-10. Book it.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:22 PM |
Denard is at least as
Denard is at least as
Denard is at least as effective of a thrower as Nick Sheridan, if not a little bit better (though not that great at this point) and his legs are considerably better.
Time to dust off the old Pat White style playbook, play running ball with some short passes mixed in... take an occasional shot downfield and hope for the best.
Strictly business...Not personal.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:25 PM |
FWIW
FWIW
I had a grade 1 in my Left shoulder about 10 years ago(I am left handed) and while it was very tender and sore,it did not really limit me,on the other hand I had a grade 3 in my right 3 years ago (no surgery) and it was useless for 10 weeks,4-5 months until I could use it normally,and it still flares up occasionally!
You’d rather tame a bucking bronco than to motivate a lame mare.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:13 PM |
Can you give a guesstimate on
Can you give a guesstimate on
Can you give a guesstimate on what grade Tate's injury is?
September 27th, 2009 at 7:50 PM |
Sprain and separation
Sprain and separation
Are they the same thing? Is "grade one" just a sprain, while "grade two" is considered a separation?
September 29th, 2009 at 8:00 PM |
ac joint sprains
ac joint sprains
AC joint sprains are graded 1-3 depending on the amount of ligament damage. Grade 1 will heal nicely in a few weeks (if allowed to rest). Grade 3s usually go to surgery, 2s need longer rest (6-8 weeks). Forcier needs an expert surgical opinion right now. KF
KF
September 27th, 2009 at 8:03 PM |
shoulder
shoulder
let's get Mr. Miyagi in house to slap those palms together and rub down Tate's shoulder. Stat!
"Play hard and with great effort"
September 27th, 2009 at 9:18 PM |
I don't know much, but it
I don't know much, but it
I don't know much, but it seems like the play calling with Denard in there has been a bit one dimensional. Most of the plays are catch the snap (maybe) then run like the wind. They should be working the option read more like when Tate is in to keep the defense guessing a little bit. I'll still be scared if Tate doesn't see the field, but we wouldn't necessarily be screwed, especially if the running backs keep tearing it up.
BTW who was the gomer that thought slapping Tate on the shoulder was a good idea...what a putz.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:33 PM |
Why Worry?
Why Worry?
Do we not have the power of the forcier? Concentrate, feel the forcier, feel the power of the forcier make all pain and bruising disappear...
September 27th, 2009 at 9:50 PM |
In the famous words of "Good Times" Florida Evans
In the famous words of "Good Times" Florida Evans
D***! D***! D***!
"To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield" --Alfred Lord Tennyson/ John Sheridan B5
&n
September 27th, 2009 at 10:06 PM |
Maybe his shoulder isn't that hurt...
Maybe his shoulder isn't that hurt...
Maybe that was just Mike Martin tapping his shoulder....
September 28th, 2009 at 3:12 AM |
Wildcat at MSU?
Wildcat at MSU?
First off, can we come up with a new name for the "Wildcat"? Robinson is a QB (sort of) so its not a true Wildcat. It's more of a Kordell Stewart "slash" thing.
But my main point for this is if Forcier cannot go, is there any chance we could see Michigan do what the Dolphins did against the Colts last week? Could we see a Wildcat formation 80% of the game and just run 5 plays out of it?
1. QB keep (what Robinson does a lot of)
2. Hand off to RB
3. Hand off to WR
4. Bubble Screen
5. Fake bubble screen and throw to same side WR up field
It isn't an ideal situation but I think it would give us more of a chance to win then opening the full playbook up to Robinson.
P.S. If Sheridan comes in I might turn off the TV
Alex: Backup QB is the best position in sports. In fact I get drunk all the time, I don't have to show up to class, and it's just like being a real QB but without all the pain.
September 28th, 2009 at 3:46 AM |
dont forget the little
dont forget the little
dont forget the little reverse action thing where every now and then its a real reverse... you could also throw out of that...or have Carlos Brown throw a HB option pass....
crazy...i know, hopefully it wont be that desperate of a situation.
The ideal situation would be for DRob to run around and if in trouble do a little dump pass like Vince Young did against us in the Rose Bowl...that was maddening to try and stop!
Strictly business...Not personal.
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