Fire Jim Tressel Comment Count

Brian

[Ed: I said on WTKA this morning that I didn't think this should cost Tressel his job, but I changed my mind upon reading the Hayes piece that contained details of exactly what Tressel did in the months between April and now.]

So I was pretty pissed yesterday. It was one of those moods that's obscure until suddenly it isn't, and the moment of clarity came when one of the Eleven Warriors guy pinged me on IM, suggesting that I must be happy today. I responded that I'd be happy if Ohio State's prospects for the near future had actually been affected… and there it was.

Jim Tressel was dishonest and his team benefited to the tune of a Big Ten co-championship and a BCS bowl victory; Ohio State's response to this was to suspend him for games against Akron and Equivalent. Ask Georgia fans who watched their team stumble to 1-3 start absent the services of AJ Green how that feels:

As a partisan, my immediate reaction to the complete bullshit which emanated from last night’s Ohio State presser was a question:  what was Jim Tressel’s first thought upon hearing the news that A. J. Green had been suspended for the first four games of the 2010 season?  “Suckers“?  “There but for the grace of God go I”?

I'm a partisan too but a couple months ago I went on the Bucknuts podcast and told them I though Tressel was a top five coach who had created a problem I never thought I'd have as a Michigan blogger: lack of material. I bought the Senator act wholly. My biggest complaint was that he was boring beyond belief.

I've now reverted to default partisan conspiracy-mongering and hatred. It's hard not to when the mea culpa press conference features Tressel lying his ass off about emails now in the public domain, forcing out stumbling answers that are such obvious crap that not even the state of Ohio thinks Tressel got what was coming to him:

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Even the deepest red section of the country looked at OSU playing see-no-evil to a BCS bowl victory and said "uh-oh." In no way is OSU's response proportional to the crime. That's what pisses me off. Michigan eventually proposed penalties that were reasonable given precedence and were accepted essentially as-is by the NCAA. (The committee added a third year of probation, as they are wont to do.) Ohio State proposed functionally nothing for a far worse offense. Twelve coaches have violated the NCAA bylaw Tressel did in April, and eleven were fired.

What's more, they spent the press conference announcing their gentle wrist massage lying. Tressel invented a fiction about how he couldn't look into the matter because of "confidentiality" that absolutely would not prevent him from interviewing the accused or finding out whose frickin' names were on the pawned memorabilia and then suspending them for the proverbial violation of team rules. This would not have exposed anyone to lethal payback from ruthless drug dealers or whatever, not that anyone was actually in danger.

Ohio State's trying to pull a fast one, and the NCAA should hammer them. A show-cause for Tressel is just as viable as the one widely speculated to be heading down the pike at Bruce Pearl. Tressel's lies were repeated. OSU's official letter to the NCAA lays it out. As summarized by Matt Hayes:

• Tressel signed a document on Sept. 13, 2010 that said he was not aware of NCAA violations.

• He failed to tell school officials on or around Dec. 9, 2010 about emails he received in April explaining players’ involvement in selling memorabilia.

• He failed to tell school officials about the emails — or his knowledge of players selling memorabilia — when specifically asked on Dec. 16, 2010. He also misled school officials that day when stating he “did not recall from whom he received the tip,” and that he “did not know that any items had been seized.” …

Another significant — and potentially more damning — issue: In a Feb. 8, 2011 interview, Tressel admitted it was “inevitable” that players named in the email had committed NCAA violations and would be ruled ineligible. In other words, Tressel knew the players were ineligible and played them anyway.

Whether it's a lie of omission or commission it's a lie, and Tressel's had a much larger effect on his team than Pearl lying about whether or not Aaron Craft was at his house. It is impossible to believe he did not remember the repeated correspondence from this lawyer. He probably sent it up the chain, making this a department-wide decision, but we have no proof of that. We do have proof that Tressel had at least four opportunities to come clean, starting with the day he got the first credible email from that lawyer, and failed to take any of them. As a result Ohio State won a Big Ten title.

With serious benefits should come serious repercussions; Ohio State's incredibly weak self-sanctions are an insult to the NCAA. If the association doesn't want to make themselves a joke they will come down hard on OSU with a thorough investigation stretching back to 2001 with the potential for vacating multiple years and a show-cause penalty that should make it impossible for OSU to continue employing Tressel as their head coach. That's a punishment that fits a very serious crime in the eyes of the NCAA—eleven of twelve fired before the NCAA had a chance.

The NCAA should use this and the Pearl case as a warning.

Comments

Needs

March 10th, 2011 at 5:11 PM ^

On the other hand, AJ Greene didn't play after UGA determined he had received improper benefits. That the instituttion (in the form of Tressel) knew the players had received improper benefits and allowed them to play anyway might result in increased sanctions for the players as well as Tressel.

Fredgoblu

March 10th, 2011 at 7:34 PM ^

It's a shame that punishments are always handed down to programs after the culprits are gone. But, I don't buy the idea that these kids were just willing dupes. They saw that the program willfully ignored countless violations, and learned that they could get away with even more.

How many loaner cars will Pryor drive before he leaves OSU?

This will only get sorted out when the NCAA levels the playing field and allows some nominal weekly stipends (in addition to the full room, board, and tuition, of course). But that's an argument for another day.

The NCAA imposed a two-year post-season ban on our basketball team. It was reduced to one year on appeal. I think the fact that OSU weaseled their way into last years' bowl is argument for two.

(Dang Google on the bowl payout. Guess I should've looked deeper. Still, it should be returned.)

Regarding the scholarships, we lost 1 a year for 4 years. Figure you take 3-4 recruits a year on a basketball team, and you're arguably giving up 1/4 - 1/3 of a recruiting class in an average year. One third of a 20-25 member football recruiting class is 7-8...which sounds fair. Let's round to an easy number like 10 so they don't need to hire an accountant, though.

cp4three2

March 10th, 2011 at 4:36 PM ^

and decided it would hurt their opponents too.  The death penalty will never be used again.  I submit this: No home games for a year.  No post season for 2.  5 scholarships taken off each year for three years.  

Fredgoblu

March 10th, 2011 at 7:14 PM ^

How about 10 a year for 3 years. Has any school ever been hit that hard?

 

I checked...Michigan basketball lost 1 a year for 4 years. So, 9-10 a year for 4 years for a football team would be comparable.

How about we make it a little more fun and let each of the other Big Ten coaches pick the ten!

Do you think the NCAA could impose it quick enough that they'd have to grey-shirt some of their incoming class...or sunset some seniors? If memory serves me right, our verdict came down in August last year...but only because we pushed for a quick turnaround. OSU's already shown that they're going to drag their feet on this one.

08mms

March 10th, 2011 at 5:53 PM ^

No home games for a year would be a huge hammer, I can't imagine the hole that would blow in a major athletic departments budget with lingering ramifications for years.  Having seen the response by the president and the AD, I can't say it wouldn't be uncalled for and would be shocked if they weren't broomed out w/ JT.

cjpops

March 10th, 2011 at 4:55 PM ^

Scenario 1:

NCAA accepts OSU self-punishment and goes no further. 

Scenario 2:

Tressel fired after intense pressure.  Urban Meyer hired to replace.

dahblue

March 10th, 2011 at 5:00 PM ^

I don't want him fired.

I think, just like a dog that shits on the floor, Tressel's face should be wiped in the mess he made.  As the NCAA takes forever to complete its investigation, Tressel needs to twist in the wind when he sits in a recruit's living room and the church-going mom asks how he could look into the cameras and lie to everyone.  His face needs to be in the close-up, every game, when the TV guys talk about his lying scandal.  When the NCAA does bring the hammer, I want him to watch other teams play in the postseason.  I want him to sit through multiple years of probation.  I want Tressel to worry about every little thing he says and does...and maybe write a book about how full of shit he is.

Then, when everything is calm and quiet...I want the NCAA to get Thad Matta.

Blue X2

March 10th, 2011 at 6:52 PM ^

I could not agree more.  Very well put.  Make him twist and turn for the next 9 months while the NCAA tries to figure out what to do.  Let him rot from the inside out as he worries about the inevitable retribution for his obvious intentional deception.

I love the fact that his defenders talk about his development of young man.  This is a joke too.  His team know that he looks that other way and it encourages them to bend the rules.  If you know your father is going to kick your ass if you do something wrong, you avoid it or only do it knowing that you will get your ass kicked.  If you know your father will look the other way, you are more likely to take chances. 

He is a snake.  He knows it, his teams know it, and the american people know it now.

 

TESOE

March 10th, 2011 at 5:03 PM ^

at least I can delete that shit from my kindle...it's so much easier to the conscience than book burning.  I only got his book because it was free - but the time spent given the hypocrisy is regretted.   I don't mind practice gates in the search of excellence - but this is BS.  There is nothing redeeming here for anyone except for OSU and JT who get the memories and, for the time being, the Ws.

Football is so rife with BS behind the scenes (and, I know, it always has been), but the losing streak to OSU is historic.  This is bitter given the razing and heartbreak Mich has gone through in the last 4 years.  We need to beat these twats.

nybluefan

March 10th, 2011 at 5:03 PM ^

Isn't it just a matter of time before they determine that the OSU players were buying herb + from the tatoo guy?

I am not as wired in as others on this blog, but I've got to think that those players were getting more than skin grafts at the palor.

Seriously

March 10th, 2011 at 5:08 PM ^

I agree.  OSU fans fans who say Tressel's nondisclosure is out of character have forgotten his inexplicable incuriosity about allegations that a booster paid Ray Isaac.

Tressel wouldn't go out of his way to commit a violation, but he isn't as scrupulous as he should be about fixing a problem after he's learned about it.

clarklakeblue

March 10th, 2011 at 5:08 PM ^

             The ncaa needs to drop the hammer on the bucks.I keep hearing of all these minor infractions since 2000,you add this  to those infractions and you have a big problem.

            

MaizeandBlue4life

March 10th, 2011 at 5:12 PM ^

The fact that hopefully the NCAA will finally use this violation and make Tressel the scapegoat for a ongoing underligning problem with college football, there are too many rules and no consistent punishment givin out.They should absolutely have scholarships takin away and loss of 2010 Big Ten title, but what if they do fire Tressel?  With Hoke coming in I want Tressel there,he is a good coach and I want with the right leadership and the right pro style football game plan to smack the hairless nuts in the mouth like we did in years past!GO BLUE fuck the bucks!

Seth9

March 10th, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^

Why should the NCAA use OSU as a scapegoat? That won't solve anything. The problem with NCAA enforcement is that it is very inconsistant and generally senseless. Making OSU into a scapegoat would needlessly exacerbate this issue. Instead, the NCAA should be tough, but fair and consistent. Meanwhile, they need to begin reforming their archaic rules structure such that it is comprehensible. Of course, that doesn't pertain to this case in the slightest.

maznbluwolverine

March 10th, 2011 at 5:37 PM ^

This whole mess is in the NCAA hands.  If it wants to keep getting laughed at, it will accept tOSU's self imposed sanctions.  If it wants to set an example, and it's tired of this stuff getting out of hand, it'll make tOSU pay.

maznbluwolverine

March 10th, 2011 at 5:44 PM ^

I guess Tressel really followed my signature line

                                               

                                            

outwest

March 10th, 2011 at 5:53 PM ^

I was talking to a coworker about the scandal this morning and his repsonse was that every team does this.  So naturally I can back with: “Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever.”

Being an OSU fan he was too stupid to realize that I was again making fun of his team.

lhglrkwg

March 10th, 2011 at 6:08 PM ^

the coach covered it up and knowing they were ineligible, played them the entire year. even after it was revealed they were ineligible

it seems so cut and dry, but i still have a feeling they will just suspend tressel for all of their bad games and he'll give some teary-eyed speech about morals or integrity or something

grsbmd

March 11th, 2011 at 12:11 AM ^

I'm not so sure all the blame for the cover-up lies on Tressel.  It seems to me like there's a larger conspiracy going on here.  As soon as Tressel started to answer the question about whether he forwarded the email (which sounded like it was going to be a yes), he got cut off.

OSU has to make Tressel their scapegoat here, pretend that he was the only one at fault.  If it gets out that this was covered up at higher levels, they risk "lack of institutional control" penalties.  Plus they might start digging into other areas like improper benefits for Clarrett or Smith.  To me this reeks of a massive cover-up.

BucksfanXC

March 11th, 2011 at 9:41 AM ^

I actually worried this myself. But like I say over and over, we'll never have the whole picture of what actually went on here. Not for months will we even know the half of it I think. Maybe someone will try to get at this from the other side, go after this Cicero's side of the emailing. I believe there are many more emails that would provide a much clearer picture of what's going on and what happened.

AnthonyThomas

March 10th, 2011 at 6:16 PM ^

The national media seems to be as mesmermized as us at how blatantly arrogant OSU's reaction is to all of this, which is good in terms of forcing the NCAA to do something about it.

elaydin

March 10th, 2011 at 7:02 PM ^

I think there's more to this story.  OSU's self imposed penalties have traditionally been spot on for the crime, if not too harsh, similar to Michigan's punishments.

I think the Yahoo story forced OSU to say something before their investigation was completed.    They've been talking to the NCAA for over a month so I have a hard time believing they don't think the punishment is adequate, but given what's currently public, it doesn't make much sense.  I suspect more will be released in the coming weeks that will bridge the gap between what happened and what seems like a soft penalty.

AnthonyThomas

March 10th, 2011 at 7:26 PM ^

I doubt this. For one Gee and Davis are complete tools and they're both hung up in Tressel's shed. Gee said it himself in the press conference. And the siutatuion that Tressel has gotten himself into is unprecedented. I don't recall a coach getting himself into a possible federal investigation and then not notifying anyone about it. His problems go beyond just the NCAA rules he broke, which are all serious in and of themselves.

dahblue

March 10th, 2011 at 7:50 PM ^

If that's the case, then OSU went forward with a press conference and refused to give their best defense.  If that's the case, OSU could have said, "Look, we know that we have made some mistakes but are still looking into the matter to make sure we have it totally resolved."  If you're right, then the only thing OSU is hiding is a more suitable explanation.  Not happening.

goldenmug8

March 10th, 2011 at 6:22 PM ^

There is absolutely no way the NCAA will let the current punishment slide with basically every single member of the media calling BS. Even that dirty state south can't find it in their evil hearts to agree with the current punishment!

If the NCAA has any balls they will revoke all of last season from OSU

charliebauman

March 10th, 2011 at 11:04 PM ^

Wait. That's the cat that I saw at a Michigan/Ohio State game. He pulled out a pint of whiskey, took a sip, then started singing that one song, "Oooooh. We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan, the whole state of Michigan. We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan. Weeee're from 0-hi-o".......................

Don

March 10th, 2011 at 6:52 PM ^

but I also thought he was a good deal smarter than this. He must have concluded that he was never going to get nailed, and he got sloppy and arrogant.