*ding*dong* Jesse Helms is DEAD!
Finally! (OT: Political)
Why are we discussing this NOW? Jesse Helms died on the 4th of July, 2008. This thread is entirely random.
are you really defending this bag of shit?
* Said of Civil Rights protests: "The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights."
* Forged personal alliances with Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and Salvadoran death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson.
* Tried repeatedly to abolish the National Endowment for the Arts.
* Attempted to make African-American Sen. Carol Moseley-Braun (D-IL) cry by singing "Dixie" repeatedly while in an elevator with her.
* Led a failed filibuster against the establishment of Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
* Announced in 1994 that if then-President Bill Clinton were to visit North Carolina, "He better have a bodyguard."
Indeed, we get a lot of our belief structure from him
not really, you get morals from evolution, that's why people from different cultures have different specific morals but the same moral structure.
I'll cosign that.
I really don't care either way. I was just stating he tried to kill that art program after the "pissing christ" thing. Believe me, I have no problem with offensive, have you read my posts? I purposely attack things I find retarded, and I know I offend people. However, I fail to see how anyone can find art in human excrement on a religious symbol. I disagree wtih the perversion of Islam (terrorists lol), but I wouldn't consider someone shitting on the Koran [sic for American spelling] art.
BlueSeoul, I don't know why you think I'm arguing against you. That was probably my most impartial comment of the past year. 20% of people having no religious affiliation doesn't mean they are offended by Christ, btw. It's possible to have no religious affiliation and still believe in god (deists), or to take the best tenets of each faith. Jesse Helms was a total asshole, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING he stood for was wrong. I don't think everything is binary; I like to pick the best parts from everything. The biggest problem today is that people don't think for themselves, they align with a group. Turns out, a person can be against abortion and agree with other "Democratic" principles. A person can also be for universal health care and still agree with the Iraq War and vote McCain. The moment you limit yourself to an all or nothing scenario is the moment you become a mindless drone full of fail.
grow the F up... I do not know where you think %20 of anything is a large majority...
Bet you think that democrats in power since 2006 have no control over the gas prices either.... it's always somebody elses fault not theirs... they have good intentions...
but by karmic standards tony snow was somewhere between weasel and worm.
when people cannot look beyond politics for a little while to honor and give due respect to the dead. You don't have to agree with him politically to mourn his passing.
edit: the least you can do is call off the political dogs for a few weeks.
He lied UNDER OATH, I don't see how that is so hard to get for so many people. It was his choice to perjur (spelling?) himself. I admit it was stupid of the republicans to go after him about the afair, but Clinton commited an actual crime, unlike Snow.
And I'm sorry, but celebrating a persons death because they held different political beliefs than you is disgusting. While they may have done some things you strongly disagreed with, they also did things many people appreciated. They both had families and friends who cared for them, and they were important people to many in their lives.
The President should NEVER lie under oath, unless our security is at risk. If the goddamn PRESIDENT can't be held to a higher standard than most, well, we're all gonna die.
I'm no fan of GW Bush. I didn't vote for the SOB, but, you know what? I didn't vote for the other scumbags, either. I can guarantee that you're not interested in true freedom, nor do you care about the death of "innocent" people. You have a political agenda and you're choosing to force feed it to people on a freakin sports forum.
You're little quote about the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few just shows how ignorant and foolish you are of the beliefs that this country was originally founded upon. We were founded as a constitutionally limited republic, NOT a socialist democracy (mobocracy) as you would have it. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights gave us the exact opposite of what you summarize. It is supposed to guarantee that the many would not and could not vote away the rights of a few. Each individual is his own king, his own priest, and his own ruler. You don't care about people. If you did, you would ditch the socialist BS, get educated on the Constitution and Bill of Rights and realize that BOTH parties are guilty of treason and sedition against the American people and are destroying this once proud republic. This is all I'm going to say about this right now. This conversation belongs on another message board, not here. My advice to you is to grow up. Get out of this left/right demoRAT/republiCON paradigm and learn about TRUE freedom and what it really means. You just might become a useful person.
1. Jay, I'd like to have your babies.
2. I hope Brian closes down further political discussions like this one that are essentially designed to produce deranged snipefests like this one, or simply put, troll jobs.
And i'm a little surprised that you think I think differently. you seem to have jumped to a lot of conclusions based on one star trek clip. What socialist BS are you referring too??? The part where I called for universal health care? ooops I didn't. You are projecting your own prejudices into this discussion, assuming I said things I didn't. I've said two basic things. Jessie Helm's death makes me happy. Tony Snow's death makes me happy. I'm a happy guy.
Where is the socialist propaganda in that?
But I do have an agenda. An agenda of fighting stupidity and lazy thinking. So in a way this thread is a tangent to my criticism of sportswriters like rosenberg, dodd, mandel, etc.
"And if you think you've never been happy that someone died then you're either a hypocrite or a simpleton."
The reason I haven't been happy about some one's death yet is because you're still alive. Oooh! Free speech! Free speech! If you whine about me saying that you're a hypocrite!
Bleeding heart, hard - line fuck stains like you are what's wrong with this country. If everyone was a little closer to the middle - meaning hard lefts and hard rights - we'd all be much better off.
Hey, I'm having a bad day. Could you go kill yourself?
absolutely. You think annoying message board posts are reason enough to be happy about someone's death. I think aiding and abetting war criminals commit mass murder is a reason to be happy about someone's death.
What's wrong with the country is the erosion of the freedoms it was founded on. And it's sad when people like you can't stand to hear the truth.
Is your avatar supposed to be something other than the pizza now? If so I'm not seeing it.
not that it matters but i'm a independant/libertarian. Personally I think the dems are chickenshits for letting bush get away with all the crap he has. But since you bring it up:
have we been attacked? what do you mean by we? the world? the western world? americans? or just americans in the U.S. Because if I remember correctly, milan, london, and daily bombings in iraq and afghanistan, that's a lot of dead westerners. Have we caught bin laden? what happened to 'dead or alive'? Oh yeah, it turned into 'he's not that important, i don't think about him that often' sayeth GW.
You do realize that the countries with the best quality of life have the highest taxes. might be something to think about. i don't like taxes (that's part of the whole libertarian thing) but i think its the job of the government to do those things that individuals can't do for themselves and business won't do. The narrow minded, black and white, propaganda fed bullshit that you believe marks you as a sheep that's being led around by the anus.
Yeah those iraqi's are really free. Free to be killed by blackwater without legal recourse. Let's go take an opinion poll and ask them how they feel about it. OH YEAH, they have. they want us to leave. Bush said we'd leave if they asked us to. But, of course he lied. because he always lies.
And just to make you feel better, I pay 3.3% tax. Foreign income, the first 75,000 or so is not taxable in the U.S. plus housing and hazard pay. so do the math, what's my take home pay on the first 75,000, and then compare it to yours.
I don't think it's the Federal government's job to bail everyone out of those situations. That is the local govt. responsibility.
cool story bro
Negative for thread necromancy, specifically a non related political thread.
Why has this thread been resurrected? Talk about shit we don't need.
JG2112 linked to it on the Scorn; I didn't realize that commenting on it now would bump it to somewhere visible. Apologies to all for the unnecessary revisiting.
Thank god that fucker is dead. More people need to die.
Wait.....who are we talking about??? Blue Seoul? I wish that fucker would die from HPV. Then his daddy could tell him "Not Good Enough" die fiercer!