Fee Fi Foe Film: Michigan State Defense Comment Count

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QBs missing wide open bombs vs. MSU: still a thing

There are the numbers, and then there's the eye test. By the former, Michigan State's defense has had a remarkable bounceback from last year's disaster; they're 16th in defense S&P+, fourth in rushing success rate, and have avoided giving up the big passing plays that were so common last year.

By the latter, well, this still isn't a classic Mark Dantonio defense. I've caught at least parts of every MSU game this season; in each game, they've narrowly avoided getting hit over the top with multiple big pass plays. State is still trying to figure out who to start in the secondary. Depth is thin. Walk-ons are starting.

While this team does appear ahead of last year's squad, there are holes to exploit. I rewatched MSU's loss to Notre Dame and combed through last week's win over Iowa to prepare for this post.

Personnel: Seth's diagram [click to embiggen]:

We used MSU's official depth chart, which held true for the first three games but should be taken with a grain of salt this week. Against Iowa, Demetrius Cooper started at SDE over Dillon Alexander, Justin Layne opened at field corner instead Josh Butler, and David Dowell took Matt Morrissey's place at free safety. MSU rotated quite a bit all around; true freshman Trey Person also got a series or two at free safety.

Base Set? 4-3 even. They'll stick with their base personnel in almost all situations. Iowa went empty a few times in this game, and while they did so with RBs and TEs on the field, that's usually what Michigan does too. MSU stayed with their base; in this screencap, the OLBs are lined up over the slots and a safety is head-up over one of the WRs to the near side:

This doesn't project to change against Michigan.

[Hit THE JUMP for the rest of the breakdown.]

Man or zone coverage? You know the drill. Michigan State is a Cover 4 team, which usually means both safeties are hanging around 8-10 yards off the line of scrimmage while the corners play press man on the outside. While it's technically a zone, it functions more like man coverage.

State mixed in some one-high looks and played some un-Spartan softer zones against Notre Dame, which had the threat of a mobile quarterback. They adjusted after getting burned for a walk-in QB draw touchdown because ND spread them out and nobody was looking into the backfield:

They were consistently in C4 against Iowa, which doesn't have a dual threat QB.

Pressure: GERG or Greg? MSU isn't as balls-to-the-wall as they used to be, especially on standard downs, but they'll still bring plenty of pressure, especially through the A-gaps. They showed a lot of okie fronts on obvious passing downs against Iowa with some very aggressive safety alignments:

This serves two purposes: it gets pressure on the QB while allowing MSU to drop some of their front into coverage, and it forces the QB to get the ball out early before the defensive backs can get beat. On this play, Iowa had a receiver get a step deep, but Nathan Stanley's pass ended up out of bounds because he couldn't step into the throw.

Dangerman: Sophomore middle linebacker Joe Bachie has emerged as the heart of the MSU defense this season. He leads the team in tackles, TFLs, and run stuffs. He looks impressive on tape, too, making quick reads and taking direct angles to the ball. He's a strong read-and-react player; he's also effective as a blitzer, as shown here when he fires through the A-gap and works his way through two linemen for a run stop:

That was one of 3.5 TFLs for Bachie against Iowa; he recorded a sack by simply powering through an attempted blitz pickup by Akrum Wadley. He's going to get talked up a lot as a proverbial lunch-pail guy because he's going to be involved in a lot of plays. And he's white, you see.

MSU is strong up the gut in general. I had Seth designate NT Raequan Williams as the other dangerman and by the time I was finished going through the Iowa game I regretted not adding DT Mike Panasiuk to the list as well. These two controlled the point of attack, neutralizing Iowa's run game. They also did more than just keep the linebackers clean; watch #99 (Williams, the near-side DT) use his hands to fend off a lineman, stretch the play out, and ultimately disengage to make the tackle:

Iowa pretty much had to shelve the zone stretch after Williams and Panasiuk wrecked a couple. While they both have a bigger impact against the run than the pass, they'd have better counting stats if they got some help from the defensive ends, about which more later.

OVERVIEW

Actually, let's get into that right now. MSU has been stout against the run this year because of their strength up the middle, but they're pliable on the edge. Notre Dame busted a big run early in their game because starting WDE Kenny Willekes, a walk-on, was comically escorted down the line and planted directly on the B1G logo:

Willekes is what you'd expect of a walk-on DE; he's a try-hard guy who makes some plays through sheer effort and gives up others because he's being overaggressive to make up for being physically overmatched. He can get moved around in the run game, as you can see above. As a pass-rusher he's largely ineffective and tries to make up for it with irresponsible speed rushes that often see him get pushed past the pocket—Iowa picked up a first down on one such play when his speed rush took him all the way past the QB and opened a huge lane to break the pocket and look downfield.

They still apparently trust Willekes more than the other former walk-on, Dillon Alexander, who gave up his job to Demetrius Cooper for the Iowa game. Cooper is certainly an upgrade even though he hasn't lived up to the hype he had heading into 2016. He's still not an impact pass-rusher, though he'll hold the edge better than Alexander.

While I mentioned MSU's talent up the middle, I should note that talent doesn't extend too far down the depth chart—remember, one of the spots hit hardest by recent attrition was DT. It was very noticeable when the backups were in. Wadley had a dead easy touchdown run when Naquan Jones and Gerald Owens were both pushed well past the intended hole:


the two DTs are being mauled by #59 and #79

They struggled to push the pocket against the pass, too. Owens didn't do much else of note, while Jones was a little more up-and-down; on back-to-back plays he got pancaked on a pass rush to allow a six-yard scramble, then blew through a block to TFL a zone stretch. He's talented but inconsistent, and Michigan should do their best to lock the backups on the field when they can.

State is solid at the linebacker level. Bachie holds it all together. Senior Chris Frey is the most experienced defender, and he's generally good. He'll make some stupid, overaggressive plays, however, and sometimes said plays put opponents in serious danger:

That play somehow drew neither a flag nor a review. I really, really don't like the way Chris Frey plays football.

Anyway, Andrew Dowell mans the spacebacker spot, and he's improved against the run while looking capable in coverage against tight ends. He's definitely added strength since last year; he had a shed and stop on the edge against Iowa that I don't think he makes last year.

The secondary has held up for the most part thus far. I don't think that lasts. The picture that graces the top of this post is representative of MSU's first four games; they've let several receivers get behind the defense only to be bailed out by wayward throws. Notre Dame's first touchdown was set up by a 40-yard catch when Equanimeous St. Brown cruised right past Matt Morrissey up the seam. I've seen each corner—Josh Butler, Josiah Scott, and Justin Layne—get burned in similar fashion.

The mainstay in this year's secondary has been safety Khari Willis, who regularly takes awful angles against both the pass and run. David Dowell, Andrew's twin brother, at least didn't have a noticeable bust against Iowa after taking over for Morrissey. True freshman Trey Person also got a shot against Iowa and immediately blew a tackle on a bubble screen. The Hawkeyes could've had a lot of success on crossing routes to the tight ends but missed multiple open throws that would've picked up first downs; Michigan has those down better, it seems.

We're four games into the season and at least two of the four starting spots aren't settled; that probably tells you more than the numbers right now, which only account so much for the awful QB play of Bowling Green and Western Michigan.

MSU is going to try to knock Michigan off schedule with some blitz exotics, especially on passing downs. While they'll limit M's already inconsistent run game, they're going to be prone to allowing consistent yardage to the TEs, and they're still going to be very prone to getting hit over the top. Iowa blew multiple chances to score with turnovers, including a Tommy Rees moment by Stanley in a goal-to-go situation. So long as Michigan doesn't similarly shoot themselves in the foot, they'll put up enough points to win.

Comments

charblue.

October 4th, 2017 at 4:37 PM ^

that Chris Frey helmet dive into the head area of the Notre Dame player, is exactly the same contact that put Speight out of the Purdue game. If we aren't going to police these kinds of hits, then the targeting rule, is only going to be enforced when the hits appear more intentional.

TrueBlue2003

October 4th, 2017 at 4:46 PM ^

and this frey hit was a lot worse.  Because wtf are you doing leading with your helmet?  Unless he was blocked into this (and I don't even know how that would be physically possible) that should be an easy, immediate ejection every time. 

The Purdue incident was different because he didn't lead with his helmet (or make contact with his own helmet), he just made contact to the offensive players head area.  In that case, there is at least an interpretation as to whether he meant to hit the other players head or whether he could have avoided it.  Obviously, most around here think he had time to avoid it, but at least timing was open for interpretation.

war-dawg69

October 5th, 2017 at 8:36 AM ^

Frey is going to hurt himself doing that stuff. You do not want to land on your head or hit with the top of your helmet. Yes he was doing that on purpose and will eventually get caught.

The purdue hit was flat out late and the player knew it as he pretended he pulled off. The guy hit Speight while he was sitting, which is a very vulnerable position. The purdue player hit Speight late and on the ground causing injury. Harbaugh is right on this one and was very surprised he did not lose it when it happened. Thought to myself he must not have seen it, which turned out to be the case. The player is a dirtbag for the hit but Brohm's reaction is troubling. Will see how he likes it when one of his players gets hurt with a late hit that is not called. If he says a word he will be attacked because of his response to this hit. That guy is going to dig a hole for himself in the big ten. I don't see a lot of coaches liking him. Of course how many don't like Harbaugh for different reasons. LOL.

Evil Empire

October 4th, 2017 at 4:39 PM ^

it was jarring to see the (Black) under Donovan Peoples-Jones. 

That got me to thinking.  Black, White, Green, and Brown are common surnames.  Gray also, to a lesser extent.  You almost never see anyone named Red, Blue, Yellow, or Purple.  There was a lineman on the Iowa teams in the 1990s named Larry Blue, who for some reason my brother insisted was a cheater. 

mgobleu

October 4th, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^

I had never seen that Chris Frey clip. Drawing your arms in and buckling your head to become a torpedo should be a full or even multiple game suspension. I don't know if this is a thing or not, but maybe someone should write the refs a letter to remind them to keep an eye on that assmuppet.

stephenrjking

October 4th, 2017 at 4:58 PM ^

Even Michigan leaves guys open deep occasionally, but teams have a hard time hitting those passes when running for their lives. 

The disappointing (as a rival who enjoys schadenfreude) fact is that Dantonio is a good coach and even if he doesn't have the manpower he'd like he knows how to get guys to execute well within their abilities. Honestly he might be more comfortable with a bunch of not-so-hyped guys--his track record with blue chippers like McDowell and LJ Scott isn't great. I wonder if he has trouble because his program only gets a few guys like that and they think they own the place since there isn't a "next man up" to replace them if they slack off, unlike places like Michigan, OSU, and Bama. 

It's judgment time for John O'Korn. Not at Penn State. MSU will bring pressure and will break through our struggling OL with twist blitzes. The running game will struggle, at least at times. JOK isn't just coming in relaxed as a backup; he's had two weeks of pressure as the #1 guy, getting the entire gameplan.

If he takes a couple of sound hits, gets back up, and hits guys down the sidelines in stride, we'll know we've got something. If he starts getting happy feet again (he's done it before, and we've seen the same regression from Speight) we'll know that we're in for a loooooong season of QB issues.

jdemille9

October 4th, 2017 at 7:21 PM ^

I agree, this will tell us all we need to know about O'Korn (and our prospects for the rest of the season). PSU at night is intimidating but the pressure MSU will bring should be a better barometer or how JOK acts when the shit hits the fan. 

The staff knows what MSU is going to do though, and JOK is mobile enough to potentially see some designed runs and moving pockets to mititagate the pressure. DPJ is the perfect guy to exploit them deep but again we don't know how JOK will respond when the rubber hits the road.

jgoblue11

October 4th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^

I really think this is going to be a slugfest. I think State is going to try and pressure O'Korn and rattle him so much to see if he can make mistakes. I don't care how shitty MSU may or may not be. This is going to be a backyard fist fight. This is O'Korn's biggest game. O'Korn will get sacked and our O Line needs to show up or it will be a long game. I really want to see our run game open up and our D play lights out. If Bush and Gary can get pressure on Lewerke and rattle him into making bad decisions, I will cackle with knowing glee. But I am worried about the O line specifically. I just don't want to see O'Korn get shaken up and fold. 

However, this is Staee's first road game. I hope to God the big house gets loud as fuck, and scares the shit out of Lewerke and Dantoni craps the bed. I believe our coaching staff is far superior and should make some great halftime adjustments if needed and win this game. GO BLUE!

 

Detroit Dan

October 4th, 2017 at 5:56 PM ^

Michigan will repeat what we did against Purdue for 3 straight 2nd half TD's.  State will be unable to stop the passing game, and that will open up the running game.

Carcajou

October 6th, 2017 at 4:17 AM ^

While that would be nice, I would expect that Harbaugh mostly does not want to put O'Korn in a position where he might lose confidence, and the team to lose confidence in him as a leader. While I would love to see Michigan throw down the field, especially on the outside, I would expect safe throws- WR screens, Play Action 2-man routes, 7 and 8 man protections, and probably more runs in this game than the fans will like.

Hopefully as the game goes on, the offense will open up.

ChiBlueBoy

October 4th, 2017 at 6:37 PM ^

While I wouldn't trade our coaching staff for any other, I'm not so sure that our staff is "far superior." Looking at what Dantonio has done during his career, I have to tip my cap and say he's as good at making a silk purse out of a sow's ear as anyone in CFB.

These games are always uglier than they should be--I think we win, but I won't be comfortable until it's final.

bronxblue

October 4th, 2017 at 5:32 PM ^

The problem I see with MSU's defense is their weakness is down field passing, something Michigan hasn't really shown is a strength. I assume the coaches will have a plan to attack some of their weaknesses, but if there was ever a game to just sent Gentry and co. deep inside, it's this game.

Der Alte

October 5th, 2017 at 10:06 AM ^

Especially given that M's WR attack is in the hands of a capable but true frosh (DPJ) and a soph (Crawford) who's yet to live up to his high school hype. Still, the way Staee crowds the box with its safeties, leaving the back end to its meh corners invites attempting a few downfield throws, especially if JOK can buy enough time to get off some reasonably accurate heaves.

In the last AA game --- the 2015 debacle --- Staee outgained M through the air 328 to 168; that was the one stat that truly separated the two teams (Staee rushed for a net 58 yds). But Staee had Connor Cook and Aaron Burbridge who, despite Jourdan Lewis covering him, caught 132 yards worth of passes --- 40% of their total air attack. Staee has nothing like that combination this year, its O-line is not as good, and M's D-line and LBs are improved over the 2015 versions --- look out Lewerke.

In the O-line, Onwenu has graded out pretty well in the first four games (Brian: "Best OL on a per snap basis but this is not a great thing.") Ulizio, however, will be severely tested, especially on pass pro --- let's hope his chin strap is tightly buckled. 

Anyway, I still like our guys by two scores.

ST3

October 4th, 2017 at 5:50 PM ^

I was going to make a joke about Panasiuk so I looked him up. He's actually got a decent resume and should get the star down treatment (No. 248 to Rivals) unless that is just for composite top 250 guys. Anyway, this opened my eyes:

"set a bench press record at The Opening camp in Beaverton, Oregon, by benching 185 pounds 43 times in July 2015"

I know the combine looks at reps at 225, but this is when he was in high school. And doing anything 43 times takes some stamina.

He has 1.5 TFLs on the year, which means he'll probably get 3 against us.

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mike_panasiuk_1021119.ht…

churioz

October 4th, 2017 at 6:55 PM ^

One of Dantonio's basic strategies seems to be taking advantage of the generous officiating that prevails in rivalry games.  What might be considered holding or pass interference in other games may be more readily overlooked in rivalry games.  Even if Michigan could capitalize on MSU's purported secondary issues, Dantonio will try to negate that by getting hands on the receivers throughout their routes.  I imagine he will devote more personnel to stop the run and count on officials not calling interference or holding on his pass defenders

ToledoBlue

October 4th, 2017 at 7:39 PM ^

This reads like sour grapes before the game is even played. I get it "B1G refs are terrible and ALWAYS screw us"-Every B1G fan ever. Every ref has certain tendancies and any good coach will learn them along with the players on what typically gets called or doesn't. Saying that it will be part of the gameplan is a garbage hot take in my opinion

churioz

October 4th, 2017 at 11:44 PM ^

otherwise this statement doesn't make sense: "Every ref has certain tendancies and any good coach will learn them along with the players on what typically gets called or doesn't."  So they gameplan for the refs is what you are saying. 

 

All I was trying to say is Dantonio and other coaches realize that refs aren't going to call a rivalry game close.  They are going to let a lot of stuff go.  Dantonio may be better at using this to his advantage than others especially when he doesn't have the talen of his opponent. 

A State Fan

October 5th, 2017 at 8:23 AM ^

I mean, shouldn't every CB do this? Did you get upset with the refs when it was Jourdan Lewis doing it? MSU perfected grabbing the receiver with Dennard and Waynes, Michigan copied it when they had stud CBs and now still do it with this new crop of good CBs, and MSU is getting back to it now that our CBs are able to stay within 5 yards of the WRs. 

Carcajou

October 6th, 2017 at 4:06 AM ^

This does concern me. Michigan's receivers have not yet shown an ability to overcome and dominate physical coverage. I would expect very physical play from MSU's DBs, and Michigan's young receivers will have to fight through that.

Ty Butterfield

October 4th, 2017 at 8:47 PM ^

Running up the middle will be a complete waste. Michigan needs to find a different way to move the ball. If Michigan really does “prepare like Bama” they better show it.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

October 4th, 2017 at 10:21 PM ^

in the B1G. They compensate with a high risk defense that works against the pedestrian offenses in the B1G. This game will probably be tight and it shouldn't be - all of our talent and NFL coaches should be able to carve up this defense by creating the matchups necessary for chunk plays.

GordonG

October 5th, 2017 at 12:17 AM ^

....to be running around like Rick Leach back there...that is asinine,,,..he gets hurt and we put in a wide eyed rookie in a big rivalry game!!!!...no way Coach is that dumb. Still see Sparty getting the better of us 20 to 16