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Illinois took the field at Camp Randall Stadium last weekend hoping that a game against a struggling Wisconsin squad was just what they needed to turn around a nightmare season. After keeping it close through three quarters in which neither team could move the ball, they gave up 21 fourth-quarter points en route to a 31-14 loss. The Badgers, which entered the game averaging just 309 yards of total offense, put up 427 on 7.4 yards per play; the Illini could muster just 284 yards of their own.

As you can see, first-year head coach Tim Beckman couldn't bear to take in such a performance without putting in a lip-full of dip. Like pretty much every other decision made by Tim Beckman this year, this was stupid:

Illinois self-reported a level 2 secondary violation to the Big Ten Conference after coach Tim Beckman was seen chewing tobacco during Saturday's game against Wisconsin.

The NCAA prohibits the use of chewing tobacco for coaches, game officials and players during practice and games.

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"It's a bad habit, and one that definitely will be corrected," Beckman said on Tuesday.

Illinois football, ladies and gentlemen!

[Hit THE JUMP for the full breakdown and definitely not more pictures of Beckman channeling his inner redneck. No, definitely not more of those.]

OFFENSE

Spread, Pro-Style, or Hybrid? Spread. Illinois mostly operates out of the shotgun, mixing in some pistol and the occasional snap under center.

Basketball on Grass or MANBALL? MANBALL. Even on read options and play-action passes, Illinois usually pulled a guard; they called one or two inside zones and otherwise stuck to gap blocking principles.

Hurry it up or grind it out? For a spread team, Illinois doesn't really go high-tempo, instead moving at around average pace.

Quarterback Dilithium Level (Scale: 1 [Navarre] to 10 [Denard]): Nathan Scheelhaase hadn't done much running this season until the Wisconsin game, but he broke out against the Badgers to the tune of 107 yards and a touchdown on 18 carries (5.9 ypc) when sacks are removed. While he sometimes scrambled before his pocket broke down, he did a great job keeping passing plays alive with his feet while still looking for receivers downfield late in the game. He scored his touchdown on a rollout pass, breaking contain and turning the corner before diving in for a five-yard tally. His legs are definitely his best asset and really the one part of the Illini offense to fear. I'll give him an 8.

Dangerman: Like I said above, Scheelhaase's scrambling ability provides the one real threat from the Illini offense. He wins this category by default.

Zook Factor: You win the Zook Factor by having your fanbase pine for the days of Ron Zook. This is not a good thing to win.

BONUS: Illinois is the only other Big Ten team I've seen that still eschews the spread punt for a traditional punt formation. It's just you and Tim Beckman, Coach Hoke. Think about that for a minute.

HenneChart: Scheelhaase had a very up-and-down day against Wisconsin. He had a terrible first half, throwing an awful interception on a well-covered hitch. His second half was far more productive, though it's worth noting that his DSR vastly improved in the late going when Illinois fell behind and the Badgers went conservative with their defense. His biggest passing play of the day, a 23-yard wheel route off play-action, should have gone for a touchdown but was underthrown—I gave him a CA (mentally insert "-minus") but it could've easily been an MA. The last Illini drive was not charted as the game was well in hand.

Opponent DO CA MA IN BR TA BA PR SCR DSR
Wisconsin 1 12 (5) 2 4 1 4   4 2 65.0%

As you can see, pressure really affected Scheelhaase; all four of his throwaways were scrambles well short of the sticks, and he rarely dropped back without facing at least some pressure.

OVERVIEW

I went over the tape with a friend who played football at the D3 level, and he was shocked by the predictability of Illinois' offense. When going to the shotgun, Illinois plans to pass; they threw on 2/3 of their shotgun snaps, and that number would be higher if not for six(!) give-up-and-punt quarterback draws on third-and-long situations. Illinois had seven charted snaps out of the pistol, running on five of them and throwing two play-action passes. From under center, they ran three play-action passes to just one run, reminiscent of Michigan's use of the I-form.

Even the plays within each set were easy to figure out. Illinois brought out a strange split-back pistol formation twice; both times they ran a fake bubble and threw a screen to a running back leaking out to the opposite side—this worked for a decent gain on the first attempt, then was completely blown up the second time around. Their runs from the shotgun were almost entirely inverted veers; all but one handoff to the running back from the gun went to the edge.

Audibles at the line were easy to decipher. When Scheelhaase checked from a run to a pass, the running back moved from an offset position behind Scheelhaase—where he'd be moving downhill for a handoff—to a position next to the quarterback, where he was in a better spot for a blitz pickup.

No wonder Illinois is 101st in total offense; if this blogger with zero football playing or coaching experience can call out plays before the snap, it's not a good sign.

Scheelhaase can make plays with his legs, and Illinois asked him to generate much of their offense on inverted veer keepers and QB draws; he was productive on the ground, in large part because their interior line handled Wisconsin's unimpressive DTs. His arm, however, looked surprisingly weak; he's not getting much zip on his throws, which led to the interception when he was late on an 8-yard hitch even though the throw was to the boundary. Couple that weak arm with some bad decisions, and there should be chances for Michigan's secondary to come up with turnovers.

The non-Scheelhaase running game was non-existent—the two backs, Donovonn Young and Josh Ferguson, combined for 16 yards on 11 carries. Illinois' line got crushed on the edge all day, so Scheelhaase rightly kept on most inverted veers, and non-option runs up the middle found little room to operate. I don't expect that to change against a suddenly-competent Wolverine interior line.

Illinois tried one end-around to receiver Ryan Lankford. He gained six yards and promptly fumbled, though Wisconsin fumbled the ball right back to Illinois on the return. Derp squared.

The receivers struggled to get separation all day, contributing to the need for Scheelhaase to pull the ball down and get any yardage he could with his feet. There's no downfield threat to speak of, no big target to serve as a possession receiver—my friend noted their wideouts all resembled freshman Roy Roundtrees—and nobody who's athletic enough to get the ball in space and create yards. Starting tight end Jon Davis wasn't a major part of the offense, catching just one pass for seven yards; there's nobody to threaten the seam, either.

The offensive line continually allowed pressure off the edge, causing Scheelhaase to get skittish in the pocket as the game wore on. As noted above, they also failed to get push on non-option plays, though the interior did manage to create some seams for Scheelhaase when they ran read-option plays.

I thought Purdue was pretty bad when I evaluated them last week, but at least they had a coherent plan and some athletes to fear on the edge. There's no such threat with this Illinois team. Shut down Scheelhaase's legs and they can't move the ball. I think Greg Mattison can find a way to do that.

DEFENSE


Any time you can make the assistant chewing gum with his mouth wide open look like less of a slack-jawed yokel than yourself, you have to do it, right?

Base Set? 4-3.

Man or zone coverage? Illinois played a fair amount of man on early downs, then went mostly with Cover 2 and Cover 3 zones on passing downs. The managed to blow coverages in both, so I guess they're equally competent in each.

Pressure: GERG or Greg? The Illini were actually more aggressive with their blitzes on early downs, choosing to sit back and rush four on third downs more often than not. This isn't a bad strategy given the presence of pass-rushing terror Michael Buchanan, speaking of whom...

Dangerman: WDE Michael Buchanan. While Buchanan only has 2.5 sacks to go along with his five tackles for loss this season, he was a constant presence in the Wisconsin backfield. If there wasn't a back or tight end helping on the edge on passing downs, he was able to go right around Wisconsin's tackles and create pressure. He'd have much better numbers if Illinois' defensive tackles could get any sort of push into the pocket, but Joel Stave always had room to step up and avoid the rush he created.

Buchanan is pretty thin at 6'6", 250, but he finds a way to affect the run game anyway. Wisconsin tried leaving him unblocked on a couple read plays and he did a stellar job of staying home and waiting to commit until the last possible moment, coming up with a couple impressive tackles. He also is able to utilize his athleticism to chase down plays that go away from his to great effect.

The one area where Buchanan is susceptible is on runs right at him; his size is an issue when he's attacked straight-up by an offensive tackle. Michigan would be wise to run in his direction instead of allowing him to chase down plays from the back-side.

OVERVIEW

If cornerback Terry Hawthorne—who was taken off the field in an ambulance after a scary collision in the Wisconsin game and is currently questionable for Michigan—can't go this weekend, this is a defense with two good players and nine below-averages ones. Buchanan has been covered; strongside linebacker Jonathan Brown is the other threat, a player who usually ends up around the ball and leads the team with 6.5 TFL after tallying 19.5 last year.

The biggest weak point appears to be the defensive tackles; both nose tackle Akeem Spence and three-tech Glenn Foster were repeatedly put on skates, allowing Montee Ball and James White to combine for 158 yards on 25 carries (6.3 ypc), most of those coming right up the gut—this isn't a great angle, but watch them get pushed entirely out of the play on this TD run. SDE Justin Staples was easily sealed most of the time, not helping matters. If Michigan can't get Toussaint going on Saturday, give up on him doing anything of substance the rest of the season; even if he's productive, it'll say more about the Illini defense than the Michigan offense.

Non-Brown linebackers were not impressive. Middle linebacker Mason Monheim is a true freshman who was a middling three-star recruit; he played like it, getting pushed out of the hole and misreading plays with regularity. At one point he had a free run at Ball and instead ran smack into a befuddled guard for no apparent reason. "STAR" Ashante Williams is a safety masquerading as a linebacker. Again, Michigan should be able to run all over these guys.

Hawthorne was impressive in coverage, but I'd be surprised if he's able to play on Saturday. The rest of the secondary should be easy to pick on. Jared Abbredaris ran wild to the tune of 117 yards and a touchdown on seven catches; his touchdown came when safety Steve Hull bit hard on a run fake despite being responsible for the deep middle in a Cover 3, allowing Abbredaris to go right over the top for 59 yards on a post. The corners tend to play off, especially in man, so there should be ample room for quick hitters.

Michigan's gameplan shouldn't change much—if at all—from the Purdue game. The inverted veer should work extremely well for Denard against the poor Illini tackles, and Toussaint may finally find some running room this weekend. With the run game presumably moving the ball at will, play-action should create some big plays in the passing game. I honestly don't see how Illinois holds this team below 35 points—I can't say I'm surprised that Michigan is currently favored by 23 points, and I'd either stay away from that bet entirely or go with the Wolverines.

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October 10th, 2012 at 2:41 PM | Chewing tobacco = leukoplakia (Score:2 Normal)
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Of course you're free to "chews", but choose wisely because this is cancer and you can die.

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:28 PM | Cancer that that person (Score:1 Normal)
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Cancer that that person probably got from smoking. AFAIK there is not much evidence for increased cancer risk among nonsmokers who chew

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:43 PM | Wut? (Score:3 Normal)
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Umm yeah about that...

I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.

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October 10th, 2012 at 4:14 PM | Where exactly are the (Score:1)
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Where exactly are the elevated cancer rates for NONSMOKERS who chew on that page?

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October 10th, 2012 at 5:10 PM | Well ... (Score:2 Interesting)
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  1. It's something like:

    Does smokeless tobacco cause cancer?

    Yes. Smokeless tobacco causes oral cancer, esophageal cancer, and pancreatic cancer (1).

    In other words, if you use smokeless tobacco, you have a risk of cancer that you didn't have when you didn't chew. That sounds elevated to me

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October 10th, 2012 at 5:40 PM | That is a statement, that is (Score:1)
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That is a statement, that is not evidence. And in fact, it is a statement that makes absolutely no distinction between smokers and nonsmokers, which is critical here.

There is SOME evidence that smokeless tobacco causes cancer in nonsmokers, but it is not conclusive, as you can see in section 5.2 of that reference. This is why the EU removed the cancer warning from snus (which is different than chew of course)

Of course I can understand why a public health organization would not want to condone the use of smokeless as an alternative to smoking, that certainly does not mean they are justified.

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October 11th, 2012 at 10:10 AM | chewing tobacco (Score:1)
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Is American. Just like eating taco bell and drinking jack daniels

Coach Hoke once told me that a moral victory is still a (expletive deleted) loss.

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October 12th, 2012 at 8:03 PM | evidence'd (Score:1)
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Increased risk of cancers of the mouth, gum, pharynx, and salivary glands (1), 3.2 odds ratio for the risk of renal cell carcinoma (2), 3.6 odds ratio for the risk of pancreatic cancer (3), and increased mortality rates from coronary heart disease and stroke (4).

1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3623935

2. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7736400

3. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8993792

4. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15953977

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October 10th, 2012 at 4:28 PM | Obvious Troll is (Score:2 Normal)
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Obvious Troll is obvious.

MGoPoints: -466

Victors Valiant

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October 10th, 2012 at 2:46 PM | "The NCAA prohibits the use (Score:2 Normal)
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"The NCAA prohibits the use of chewing tobacco for coaches, game officials and players during practice and games."

 

Mattison dips... I am pretty sure he dips during practice. Evidence seen in his back pocket during practices.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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October 10th, 2012 at 2:58 PM | "He who is without sin, cast (Score:2 Normal)
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"He who is without sin, cast the first rock. And I shall smoketh it."  -TB

 

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October 10th, 2012 at 7:13 PM | maybe he's using big league (Score:2)
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maybe he's using big league chew?

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October 11th, 2012 at 1:13 AM | There're football coaches who (Score:1)
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There're football coaches who don't dip?  I would like to meet these strange individuals and learn their ways or at least have my son play football for them so he doesn't have to deal with the joy of wiping tobacco spit off your face after a face-mask grabbing and "counsling" session during practice.  The again why deny him that particular rite of passage?

Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought.  It always defeats order because it is better organized. 

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October 12th, 2012 at 11:34 AM | Caught on film (Score:2)
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Although this is a disgusting habit IMO, it seems to me that Beckman's biggest mistake was putting his dip in on the sideline just before kickoff in a place & position that the cameras could easily catch him. Would this be an issue if he had just put it in in the tunnel/lockerrom? Or even just turned his back/bent over and put it in? He should have known that the cameras catch EVERYTHING.

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October 10th, 2012 at 2:59 PM | ... (Score:2)
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All the cool kids are doing it. You want to be cool, don't you? Don't you?

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:05 PM | Look in the Press Box (Score:0)
m garety
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Pretty sure every time TV broadcasts show coaches in the press box one of them is reaching for a coke bottle full of dip spit.  Coaches do this all the time.  The reason its a big deal is because he's the coach and because he's on the sidelines.

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:11 PM | Fuck chewing tobacco, Beckman (Score:1 Normal)
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Fuck chewing tobacco, Beckman should smoke weed, probably a lot of weed with how bad his team is. 

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:17 PM | Fuck smoking weed...even a (Score:4 Normal)
mGrowOld
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Fuck smoking weed...even a lot of weed...given how shitty his team is.

If he wants to truly imagine the team doing better he's probably going to have to up the ante a bit more....

 

 

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:22 PM | I like where your head is at (Score:2 Normal)
Andrew Jackson Jihad
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I like where your head is at my friend. You're quickly moving up the list of my favorite posters. 

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:47 PM | Acid? (Score:3 Normal)
Everyone Murders
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I'm not sure acid is the best choice for someone who's already in a "bad place".  Jes sayin'.

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:11 PM | Trust me, do not throw stones (Score:2)
KevbosLastingLessons
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Trust me, do not throw stones at Beckman. 

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October 10th, 2012 at 4:21 PM | Why not?  Please elaborate. (Score:2)
ken725
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Why not?  Please elaborate.

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October 11th, 2012 at 12:07 PM | Lot more prevalent than you (Score:2)
KevbosLastingLessons
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Lot more prevalent than you might think. 

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:14 PM | Illinois DBs (Score:2)
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I was saddened but not suprised to see Hawthorne taken off the field in an ambulance last week. I watched Illinois' first half against Penn State the week before and the Illinois secondary was repeatedly spearing ans targeting Penn State receivers with head shots. I hope the kid is alright and that the incident last week has gotten their attention. I don't want to see any of that on Saturday.

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October 10th, 2012 at 3:15 PM | Beckman (Score:2)
jamiemac
Joined: 06/30/2008
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Beckman isnt very game day smart either. Against PSU, he declined a penalty a D so it would be 2nd and 8 instead of 1st and 15. Thought that was a head scratcher and he'll have a few of these a game. I agree with Ace. Lay the points or pass

Also, in Illinois last 8 regular season games against an FBS team that went bowling/had a winning record  (I include ASU, PSU and Wisco from this year), they've scored a 80 total points

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October 10th, 2012 at 5:17 PM | Maybe (Score:2)
ross03
Joined: 08/06/2009
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If they give up 7.4 yards per play in every game like they did here then his call was correct by .4yards of expected field position.  Scary thought, but maybe he figured they'd have a better chance of holding 2 plays under 8 yards than 3 under 15.

 

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October 10th, 2012 at 4:10 PM | I couldn't even pay attention (Score:2)
MGoCombs
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I couldn't even pay attention to Beckman dipping because what is wrong with his assistant's face? I thought maybe it was just a bad still image that everyone is subject to now and then, but he maintains that look on his face through the entire GIF. Does watching Illinois football too closely make your face like that permanently?

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October 11th, 2012 at 8:42 AM | Pretty much. The Surgeon (Score:2)
SituationSoap
Joined: 09/22/2012
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Pretty much. The Surgeon General started talking about putting a warning label on Illinois Football DVDs back during the Zook years, but you know how long it takes the government to step in on public safety issues like that.

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