i find this extremely interesting
The Feagin Reveal
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Feagin told investigators that “when I first started going to (Burke’s) house he had three big jars of weed up in his room. … One day T.J. was talking to me about some illegal stuff. He was under a lot of pressure because of his financial problems.
“I told him that I knew someone who could get him some cocaine. A few days later he asked me if I had talked to the person yet. I called right then and set up a deal.”
Feagin arranged to send $600 to a friend in Florida, whom he identified only as “Tragic.” In exchange, “Tragic” would send an ounce of cocaine to Ann Arbor.
It goes on from there. No cocaine ever showed up, this Burke guy tried to scare/murder Feagin by filling a bottle with gasoline and setting it on fire outside his dorm room, etc, etc, etc. You know, typical college stuff. Except Burke is 26. But whateva, TJ Burke does what he wants, which is apparently spend up to ten years in prison.
Feagin was a last-minute addition to Michigan's first class under Rodriguez when it became clear that Rodriguez wasn't likely to acquire a higher-rated quarterback recruit. He did not work out, obviously. The Freep article dryly notes that Feagin "struggled to learn the playbook" mere paragraphs after describing Feagin's extensive marijuana habit.
The onfield impact of Feagin's departure remains nil; the off-field stuff… well, at least when a Michigan player violates team rules he actually violates them. Woo spin!
But seriously: it's bad. It's also one guy that Michigan apparently didn't run as thorough of a background check on—or possibly any background check on—as they scrambled to reconfigure Rodriguez's first recruiting class. As long as the incident remains isolated, fine. Yes, Kurt Wermers, you get a point, which brings you up to negative four.
August 10th, 2009 at 5:03 PM | 
Specifically with regards to
Specifically with regards to
August 10th, 2009 at 5:13 PM |
There's some sort of large
There's some sort of large
There's some sort of large scale oil related violent unrest in Venezuela? I'd love to hear about it.
Galileo was also chastised.
August 10th, 2009 at 5:36 PM |
Well, there's a regime in
Well, there's a regime in
Well, there's a regime in place propped up by oil profits that has rigged elections and disenfranchised millions of voters. They set up a mechanism to identify who votes for which candidate, robbing them of anonymity, expelled Human Rights monitoring groups (http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2008/09/19/venezuela-human-rights-watch-deleg...), peaked unemployment, and generally rolled back civil liberties. It's not killings in the poppy-fields, but its bad.
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August 10th, 2009 at 6:02 PM |
BUT CHAVEZ OFFERED TO PAY FOR
BUT CHAVEZ OFFERED TO PAY FOR
BUT CHAVEZ OFFERED TO PAY FOR GAS FOR POOR AMERICANS HE MUST BE GOOD
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
August 10th, 2009 at 10:13 PM |
Irony
Irony
Americans only hear one side of the Chavez story and it's not that side.
Galileo was also chastised.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:09 PM |
Yeah that's all bad and you
Yeah that's all bad and you
Yeah that's all bad and you have a point, but the only time under Chavez that Venezuela was on the verge of bloodshed was in 2002 when the CIA tried to overthrow him.
Galileo was also chastised.
August 11th, 2009 at 12:50 PM |
I seem to remember reading of
I seem to remember reading of
I seem to remember reading of violent crack-downs during the protests around the recall vote.
But, whatever.
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August 10th, 2009 at 10:10 PM |
Yeah that's all bad and you
Yeah that's all bad and you
oops
Galileo was also chastised.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:08 PM |
Well, up to a point, you're
Well, up to a point, you're
Well, up to a point, you're only harming yourself. It's hard to watch a show like Intervention and argue that drug addicts are really only impacting themselves.
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August 10th, 2009 at 8:46 AM |
Nobody actually did the coke,
Nobody actually did the coke,
Nobody actually did the coke, you know?
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August 10th, 2009 at 9:16 AM |
Anyone here who has taken
Anyone here who has taken
Anyone here who has taken ritalin or adderall to help study or wright a paper has done a drug more powerful than coke. If you know someone prescribed to these drugs they have a far worse addiction that a coke user. Coke is just more expensive, that's all.
IMHE
August 10th, 2009 at 10:02 AM |
I suppose that's one way to
I suppose that's one way to
I suppose that's one way to defend your illegal, brain and body damaging, potentially fatal habit.
My uncle lost everything he had ever owned, or will ever own, to coke. His wife left him after he threatened to kill her on a coke freak out. He crashed three cars, causing numerous injuries and lawsuits while on coke at different times. He works about 100 hours a week trying to climb out from under a $200,000 pile of debt that resulted, because if he does not by the time he dies (which will be much sooner given his destroyed body systems), his debtors will come after us to cover his debts.
When any of that happens to someone on Ritalin, you let me know.
"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
August 10th, 2009 at 10:19 AM |
Just FYI
Just FYI
They may come after you, but they have no legal right to pursue anyone but his spouse for debt he incurred. Unless you're talking about drug dealers or mobsters he owes money to, you have nothing to worry about.
Collectors will lie to you about your responsibility. They will try to convince you that you are responsible for his debts and will certainly take your money if you offer to pay, but no one - parents, children, siblings, neighbors - is legally required to pay his debts when he dies.
If they continue to hassle you despite your refusal to pay, you can report their harassment to the police.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:59 AM |
Good to know. Thanks. My
Good to know. Thanks. My
Good to know. Thanks. My Grandmother paid his, uh, usury debts so he wouldn't end up on the wrong end of a lead pipe, so those are out of the way. But he still needs to pay the loans she had to take out to do it.
"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
August 10th, 2009 at 12:00 PM |
I don't really care, but I'm
I don't really care, but I'm
I don't really care, but I'm really interested to know what sort of a person gives a down vote over a post like this? Are the drugs really so all important to you that you view any personal story of the hardship they cause as a personal attack? If so, you should really, really visit a treatment center. That's not healthy.
"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
August 10th, 2009 at 12:25 PM |
I did, but I'm clearly not the only one
I did, but I'm clearly not the only one
Too depressing for a Monday morning.
I did give this one a +1 because the treatment center joke was funny.
August 10th, 2009 at 12:54 PM |
Blazefire---What Brodie was saying
Blazefire---What Brodie was saying
Is that the physical addiction of Adderal is stronger than the physical addiction caused by Cocaine. Thus, the end comment about coke being more expensive, thus; destroys lives. I'm sure Adderal can seriously screw you up too, but when your doctor is prescribing it, and insurance covers (for most) the cost; it's a lot less financially ruinous.
Edit: I didn't neg you, though I got several down votes in this thread.
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August 10th, 2009 at 1:15 PM |
I support the new meme of
I support the new meme of
I support the new meme of giving me credit for other people's posts.
When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler
August 10th, 2009 at 1:21 PM |
I hereby declare that Brodie
I hereby declare that Brodie
I hereby declare that Brodie has over 37,000 posts, as all posts on this board are directly attributable to him.
"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
August 10th, 2009 at 1:44 PM |
Does this mean Bouje is no
Does this mean Bouje is no
Does this mean Bouje is no longer our leader?
Galileo was also chastised.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:44 PM |
Shit--I thought it was you
Shit--I thought it was you
Now I see it was Baleedat. You can nega-bang-bang me the rest of the day...
Ok, anyways, my point remains.
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August 10th, 2009 at 1:53 PM |
You can nega-bang-bang me the
You can nega-bang-bang me the
You can nega-bang-bang me the rest of the day
You'd like that.
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August 12th, 2009 at 10:24 AM |
This should have read:
This should have read:
EDIT: Negga please
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August 12th, 2009 at 9:27 AM |
In my experience, the
In my experience, the
In my experience, the physical and physiological addiction of Adderall is far worse than that of cocaine.
IMHE
August 10th, 2009 at 1:28 PM |
News to me?
News to me?
Is there any basis for the claim (now repeated twice in this thread) that ritalin is more addictive than coke?
Not to mention, of course, that one (if prescribed, and used properly) is legal, and is given only in consultation with a doctor monitoring its use.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:46 PM |
Well
Well
Though I did support Baleedat in that statement, at least in regards to Adderal. Adderal is a form of amphetamine, and highly addictive. I believe Ritalin is also, but not too sure about the that one. I should have clarified.
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August 10th, 2009 at 2:14 PM |
Still wondering . . . .
Still wondering . . . .
Actually, I'd have the same question about Ritalin or Adderall -- as I understand it, they are fairly closely related drugs. I don't think either one qualifies as highly addictive, at least at the prescribed doses, but I'm open to being educated otherwise. I've seen some data on drug dependency, but not so much about addiction.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:23 PM |
Eh...what the hell, it's clear I'm a moron already
Eh...what the hell, it's clear I'm a moron already
I think the point he's trying to make (I'm probably way off) is that using Adderall or Ritalin as recreational drugs can be just as addictive.
August 10th, 2009 at 4:58 PM |
Thanks
Thanks
But what does it say that I need help from a self-professed "moron" to understand someone's point? Probably means it's time for my meds . . . .
August 10th, 2009 at 5:04 PM |
Ritalin is NOT addictive.
Ritalin is NOT addictive.
Ritalin is NOT addictive. Most ADD people I know forget to take it on a regular basis. It's not very addictive if the people that need it can't remember to take it.
August 11th, 2009 at 12:41 PM |
Adderall is amphetamine. It
Adderall is amphetamine. It
Adderall is amphetamine. It is very addictive, and very hard on the body and mind. I was prescribed to it for a few years and over time it altered my mind drastically. The shit is terrible for you IMO. If your doctor suggest prescribing you to it (they give it out like candy these days), please do some research before giving him/her an answer.
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/issues/ritalin.html
Ritalin is the most commonly prescribed medication for ADHD (attention deficit hyperactivity disorder). This treatment has helped thousands of people control their symptoms. But because Ritalin is a stimulant like cocaine, it may cause undesirable changes in the brain over time. It also has the potential for abuse. So what are the benefits of Ritalin, and what are the risks?
Like cocaine, Ritalin is a powerful stimulant that increases alertness and productivity. Ritalin and cocaine also look (on the molecular level) and act the same. Both have a similar chemical structure, and both increase dopamine levels in the brain. They do this by blocking a dopamine transporter protein responsible for the reuptake of dopamine at the synapse.
Ritalin is not addicting when taken as prescribed by doctors. Why this difference between Ritalin and cocaine? Ritalin is a pill that you swallow, so the drug takes longer to reach the brain. Cocaine is taken in high doses by injection or snorting. It floods the brain quickly with dopamine, which makes it dangerous and addicting.
Unfortunately, Ritalin is quickly becoming a drug of choice for teens. It's relatively cheap and accessible. And because it's a prescription drug, it's perceived to be safe. But if Ritalin is abused (taken in high doses) or taken improperly (by injection or snorting), it can be just as addicting as cocaine. This is because drug delivery methods can influence the addictive potential of a drug.
ADHD children are typically taken off of Ritalin when they reach adulthood. Interestingly, these individuals seem to be more prone to cocaine addiction. Why is that? Because Ritalin and cocaine are similar drugs, it's possible that ADHD adults are unknowingly using cocaine as a replacement for Ritalin. In other words, it may be an attempt to self-medicate. Cocaine may help individuals with ADHD focus, feel calm and in control.
IMHE
August 11th, 2009 at 2:33 PM |
Ritalin and Adderall are not
Ritalin and Adderall are not
Ritalin and Adderall are not the same thing. You can't just take an article about one and make it the about the other. There are other drugs like Strattera as well that are different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall
You know what else is a stimulant like cocaine? Caffeine.
While I agree that ADHD drugs are overprescribed in general, I think this is kind of a bullshit thing to link.
ADHD children are typically taken off of Ritalin when they reach adulthood. Interestingly, these individuals seem to be more prone to cocaine addiction. Why is that? Because Ritalin and cocaine are similar drugs, it's possible that ADHD adults are unknowingly using cocaine as a replacement for Ritalin. In other words, it may be an attempt to self-medicate. Cocaine may help individuals with ADHD focus, feel calm and in control.
If cocaine SLOWS YOU DOWN, you clearly still have ADHD and the associated chemical imbalance. It's also NOT unknowingly, people with ADHD are aware that certain stimulants act as depressives on them.
Why this difference between Ritalin and cocaine? Ritalin is a pill that you swallow, so the drug takes longer to reach the brain. Cocaine is taken in high doses by injection or snorting. It floods the brain quickly with dopamine, which makes it dangerous and addicting.
This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Apparently the only difference between Ritalin and cocaine is the delivery method. Come the fuck on.
August 12th, 2009 at 9:37 AM |
You're right, Adderall and
You're right, Adderall and
You're right, Adderall and Ritalin are not the same, I didn't mean to imply they were...I should have made that more clear. It was a poorly organized post. I just wanted to post a few thing about the drugs.
But I don't understand your last point. Ritalin and cocaine are very similar. If people were to swallow a pill containing cocaine once or twice daily, I doubt many would develop an addiction (unless it was an 8 ball sized pill). And it goes both ways...most people would probably develop an addiction to Ritalin if they crushed the pills and snorted them.
I should have just left Ritalin out of my original post. I was only trying to say that coke is not the most potent or addictive stimulant around. Amphetamine (Adderall) is far worse IMO, and is prescribed to hundreds of thousand of children and adults in the US. Cocaine is expensive and illegal, but it's not evil...or anymore evil than the legal drugs prescribed by doctors everyday.
IMHE
August 12th, 2009 at 5:14 PM |
Look, I'm going to just sum
Look, I'm going to just sum
Look, I'm going to just sum it up this way: Vicodin, Oxycontin, Xanax, Valium, etc are all prescription drugs that can be abused. Oxycontin, for example, is nearly the same as heroin. For you to crusade against a prescription drug as being "evil, addicitive, dangerous, as bad as coke" THEN have the caveat that this is when used incorrectly and with the intent to get high (like, fucking duh you can get high on Robotussin and I don't see you campaigning against kids with misdiagnosed colds getting too much cough syrup) is just way, way fucking out of line.
A lot of things are dangerous if used incorrectly. Don't go on a rant about shit you don't understand next time. You do a disservice to everyone.
You know what's worse than Adderall and cocaine? Crystal Meth. You can make it from Sudafed. Time to start protesting CVS as a drug dealer.
I probably shouldn't be this pissed off, but this kind of shit pisses me off. You create a ridiculous strawman against something, a strawman that is contingent on someone breaking the fucking law. "You know what's more unsafe than a garrote? The power cord to my computer, because if someone uses it wrong, they can strangle someone to death, just like with a garrote. And tons of people use power cords everyday. Dell sells one with each new computer, whereas garrotes are expensive and illegal."
In conclusion, fucking a man, fucking a.
August 13th, 2009 at 3:56 PM |
Whoa whoa whoa. I didn't mean
Whoa whoa whoa. I didn't mean
Whoa whoa whoa. I didn't mean to "crusade against a prescription drug as being 'evil, addictive, dangerous, as bad as coke." FTR I think all drugs should be decriminalized. I was actually suggesting that cocaine is not evil. I did a shitty job, and made some stupid/untrue statements. I still stand by my opinion that Adderall, when taken properly as prescribed by a doctor, can fuck your mind and body up.
IMHE
August 13th, 2009 at 4:03 PM |
+1 for clarification and
+1 for clarification and
+1 for clarification and restatement.
August 13th, 2009 at 4:25 PM |
"Anyone here who has taken
"Anyone here who has taken
"Anyone here who has taken ritalin or adderall to help study or wright a paper has done a drug more powerful than coke. If you know someone prescribed to these drugs they have a far worse addiction that a coke user. Coke is just more expensive, that's all."
This was hastily and poorly written on my part. I take most of it back. Please disregard.
IMHE
August 10th, 2009 at 9:31 AM |
That was not a cocaine deal
That was not a cocaine deal
There needs to be actual cocaine involved. Burke needed money, knew Feagin had a reputation, and approached him about a deal. Feagin just pocketed the money. It doesn't look like Feagin did anything illegal. He just took the suckers money! If you want to give me $600 I can call my "cousin" too...
The Free Press article uses the term "cocaine deal" many times. Yet, it fails to stress that there was never any cocaine involved. It assumes the reader will infer that there was cocaine involved. The Free Press article is playing on Feagin's reputation to get the reader to believe Feagin is a drug dealer in much the same way Burke was lead to believe Feagin was a drug dealer/broker. The article does not provide any evidence that Feagin sold coke to anyone, ever. Feagin says he dealt drugs back in Florida. He does not say what he sold. He asserts that he never sold any drugs in MI. If there was any hard evidence that Feagin was involved in cocaine, the article would have made that clear.
I do believe that RR did the right thing by dismissing Feagin. I also think that Feagin should never been admitted to UM based on his admissions in the police report about his past behavior. This does concern me and RR needs to do a better job with the background checks. However, the Free Press article was highly biased against Feagin, and implicitly UM and RR.
August 11th, 2009 at 1:23 PM |
i say it was probably not illegal.
i say it was probably not illegal.
after all he was not charged with anything. of course, i don't know all the facts, haven't read the police report, and don't know the law. moreover, i don't really care about that. my point was that the freep called it a cocaine deal, when it wasn't. it was a scam.
August 10th, 2009 at 9:46 AM |
George Bush
George Bush
did coke and whatever in college, and we still elected him president.
Geez.
The scariest aspect of this entire story, at least to me, is the guy who started the fire. That could have ended in GREAT tradgedy. The real hero of this story are the SPRINKLERS!
And, Feagin was probably scamming that guy from the git go. Yeah right, I'm gonna 'send' your 600 dollars to Florida and an ounce of coke is gonna be sent back. Right.
And, Tubbs, go fill the Ferrari up with gas.
Time wounds all heels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwGXMryTbwE
August 10th, 2009 at 3:41 PM |
Good point
Good point
so did Obama. Man, that's two in a row.
Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:17 AM |
This incident is like our own
This incident is like our own
This incident is like our own little Aspen Extreme. You've got TJ Burke. Feagin playing the role of Dexter Rutecki with the coke deal gone wrong.
We just need the brash long-time ski instructor that has never lost the Powder 8.
August 10th, 2009 at 10:38 AM |
can any of the.....
can any of the.....
u of m law students or lawyers out there that might read this blog please help me understand something. is there any possible way that RR would not have been able to find out about his previous arrests???
August 10th, 2009 at 11:01 AM |
This kind of thing
This kind of thing
was my biggest fear when Rodriguez was hired. His willingness to give Pat Lazear a scholarship at WVU was the source of my concern. Lazear had a conviction for conspiracy to commit armed robbery and an earlier separate credit card fraud incident. OSU and Alabama withdrew offers, but WVU did not. I assumed that Rodriguez was told he would not be able to recruit like that at Michigan (and would not have to). This is not to say that Feagin and Lazear are equivalent. Lazear's background was all over the Washington Post and area newspapers. Feagin's may have required more digging to turn up and even then might not have been clear.
August 10th, 2009 at 11:45 AM |
Sealed juvy records
Sealed juvy records
Feagin appears to have admitted his prior arrests in the context of the current situation, but that doesn't mean they were publicly available beforehand or that RR knew of his arrests when he offered Feagin.
Juvy records are sealed and it's not unlikely that RR had no idea.
August 10th, 2009 at 1:14 PM |
Feagin guilty of fraud, not coke dealing
Feagin guilty of fraud, not coke dealing
My guess is Feagin had no intention of acquiring cocaine -- he did have every intention of taking $600 from Burke and not repaying it. Still incredibly scummy.
Wanting something to be true does not make it true.
August 10th, 2009 at 2:13 PM |
Hey, lets look at the upside!
Hey, lets look at the upside!
At least he was smart enough to pick cocaine instead of crack and the crazy sentencing rules/guidelines that go along with it!
August 10th, 2009 at 6:24 PM |
So, is this considered worse
So, is this considered worse
So, is this considered worse than drunk driving mejunglechop?
"I wonder if J. Boren still has 45 peeps stuck in his mouth. And a penis in his ass."
August 11th, 2009 at 2:21 AM |
It depends on how lucky you
It depends on how lucky you
It depends on how lucky you are when you drive drunk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_luck
Galileo was also chastised.
August 11th, 2009 at 11:50 AM |
True both ways.
True both ways.
True both ways.
"I wonder if J. Boren still has 45 peeps stuck in his mouth. And a penis in his ass."
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