Fall Roster Overanalysis Comment Count

Brian

In the spring I combed through the roster for weight changes in an effort to read the portents included therein. Today, on National Overreact To A Tiny Slice Of Information Day, we return to the Ouija board.

Unfortunately, the spring roster has been obliterated in favor of the official fall roster so I can only do the full comparison on players whose weight changes from fall 2009 to spring 2010 were deemed "significant." I do have the previous fall roster and have included any players of note from that; anyone who didn't appear in the last edition was one or two pounds off.

Presenting MANY NUMBERS. Projected starters are in bold; I didn't bother trying to guess at QB and RB:

QB
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Denard Robinson 185 -- 193 -- -- 8
Tate Forcier 188 194 192 6 -2 4
RUNNING BACK
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
John McColgan 227 -- 231 -- -- 4
Fitzgerald Toussaint 185 -- 200 -- -- 15
Michael Cox 208 -- 211 -- -- 3
Michael Shaw 178 -- 187 -- -- 9
Vincent Smith 168 -- 180 -- -- 12
WIDE RECEIVER
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Junior Hemingway 220 227 225 7 -2 5
Darryl Stonum 196 193 195 -3 2 -1
Je'Ron Stokes 181 187 193 6 6 12
Jeremy Gallon 165 171 180 6 9 15
Kelvin Grady 168 -- 176 -- -- 8
Martavious Odoms 172 -- 175 -- -- 3
Roy Roundtree 170 169 176 -1 7 6
Terrence Robinson 171 -- 175 -- -- 4
TIGHT END
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Kevin Koger 249 -- 255 -- -- 6
Martell Webb 245 257 255 12 -2 10
Brandon Moore 243 260 250 17 -10 7
OFFENSIVE LINE
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Mark Huyge 288 305 306 17 1 18
Michael Schofield 268 281 293 13 12 25
Quinton Washington 325 307 315 -18 8 -10
Ricky Barnum 275 282 286 7 4 11
Rocko Khoury 283 291 295 8 4 12
Taylor Lewan 268 283 294 15 11 26
David Molk 275 270 285 -5 15 10
Elliott Mealer 299 310 313 11 3 14
Stephen Schilling 304 -- 308 -- -- 4
John Ferrara 279 -- 286 -- -- 7
Patrick Omameh 276 293 299 17 6 23
Perry Dorrestein 306 -- 321 -- -- 15
DEFENSIVE LINE
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Adam Patterson 263 272 276 9 4 13
Anthony LaLota 256 263 270 7 7 14
Greg Banks 266 274 285 8 11 19
Craig Roh 238 249 251 11 2 13
Will Heininger 261 271 267 10 -4 6
William Campbell 318 324 333 6 9 15
Ryan Van Bergen 271 280 283 9 3 12
Steve Watson 257 -- 268 -- -- 11
Mike Martin 292 -- 299 -- -- 7
Renaldo Sagesse 279 285 289 6 4 10
LINEBACKER
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Brandon Herron 220 -- 220 -- -- 0
Isaiah Bell 220 237 245 17 8 25
J.B. Fitzgerald 232 239 244 7 5 12
Kenny Demens 236 244 250 8 6 14
Jonas Mouton 228 -- 240 -- -- 12
Kevin Leach 206 200 205 -6 5 -1
Mark Moundros 233 -- 233 -- -- 0
Mike Jones 203 207 208 4 1 5
Obi Ezeh 243 240 250 -3 10 7
CORNERBACK
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
J.T. Floyd 183 -- 183 -- -- 0
J.T. Turner 187 197 198 10 1 11
Troy Woolfolk 193 -- 195 -- -- 2
James Rogers 182 -- 183 -- -- 1
SAFETY
Player 2009 Spring 2010 Fall to Spring Spring To Fall 2009 to 2010
Brandin Hawthorne 198 -- 203 -- -- 5
Floyd Simmons 185 -- 200 -- -- 15
Jordan Kovacs 194 200 195 6 -5 1
Cameron Gordon 208 -- 207 -- -- -1
Mike Williams 188 -- 200 -- -- 12
Teric Jones 193 -- 195 -- -- 2
Thomas Gordon 205 -- 205 -- -- 0
Vladimir Emilien 198 -- 204 -- -- 6

Bullets on the contents herein:

  • Holy productive summer (and previous fall), offensive line. Molk bounced back from his injury-caused loss and is now at a respectable 285. The kids, meanwhile, are all pushing 300 after coming in significantly smaller than that. They're still a little light in the shorts, but they'll be significantly bigger than they were a year ago.
  • Similarly, the front seven is going to be a lot bigger even if it's Greg Banks taking over for Brandon Graham. The three returning starters put on an average of 11 pounds and Banks is 17 pounds heavier than Graham was. Not that anyone's happy about losing Graham. The linebackers, meanwhile, are all up significantly, with Isaiah Bell well on his way to becoming his own country.
  • Jeremy Gallon wins the Biggest Anti-Loser award for gaining more weight as a percentage of his starting weight than anyone else.
  • Fitzgerald Toussaint and Vincent Smith are getting up there for guys their size; hopefully they'll have the durability to last after putting on 15 and 12 pounds, respectively.
  • Turners extra 11 pounds may be the reason he's stuck behind Floyd.
  • The beefy tight ends must have been a bit too beefy; they've started backing down.
  • Not sure what to make of Quinton Washington and Will Campbell going back up after freshman years spent shedding weight. Similarly, Perry Dorrestein's 321 seems too heavy, especially for a guy who had plenty of trouble pass blocking last year and is trying to lock down the left tackle job. The other seniors-to be put on a few pounds here and there; Dorrestein's 15 is out of proportion. The Lewan-Dorrestein battle may be over before it even starts.
  • All college teams increase the size of their players year-to-year but if I had to bet, Michigan's has to be near the top in terms of beef added on. A symptom of youth.

Comments

badjuju81

August 10th, 2010 at 3:50 PM ^

I sent Brian the weight changes since spring (I had saved that roster), so he can fill this out more completely.  Another big gainer on the O-line is Christian Pace, who's put on 21 lbs and is up to 280.

Someone needs to create a Barwis metric.  Something like: weight * #225 bench presses * max squat / shuttle run time.

I am greatly looking forward to a team that is simultaneously bigger, more physical, and faster.

jbibiza

August 10th, 2010 at 4:45 PM ^

I am a confirmed Roster Weight Watcher so I expected the OL to get bigger, but I was surprised by the increased heft of the Inside Linebackers.  Mouton at 240 is much heavier than ever; Obi, Demens and Fitz are all in the 250 range.  Perhaps the scheme of our new 3-3-5/4-2-5 alignment will feature larger bodies to clog the middle whilst the various Spurs, Bandits and Wolves (Oh My!) patrol the flanks and flats.  

markusr2007

August 10th, 2010 at 5:17 PM ^

I think the determinant is player strength and agility, not so much weight.

Rodriguez's best OL player ever was probably Dan Mozes (now on UM's staff), who played guard and center for RR.  Mozes as a Scout 3-star OL.  He also won the 2006 Rimington Trophy.  I think Rick Trickett was his position coach.

Not much in terms of big gains for Dan Mozes under Barwis:

2003 Freshman Guard Dan Mozes 6-3, 290

2004 Sophomore Guard Dan Mozes 6-3, 290 (starter)

2005 Junior Guard Dan Mozes 6-4, 280 (starter)

2006 Senior Guard Dan Mozes 6-4, 290 (starter, Rimington Trophy winner)

Other great OL under RR were Greg Isdaner, Ryan Stanchek and Jake Figner. Interesting gains for some of these players, but most stayed close to original weight.  Looking at WVU's sick rushing stats, hard to argue the OL didn't improve during this period.

Greg Isdaner (Scout 2-star OL)

2006 Freshman Guard Greg Isdaner 6-3, 315

2007 Sophomore Guard Greg Isdaner 6-3, 315 (starter)

Ryan Stanchek (Scout 2-star OL)

2005 Freshman Guard Ryan Stanchek 6-4, 285

2006 Sophomore Guard Ryan Stanchek 6-4, 280 (starter next to Mozes)

2007 Junior Tackle Ryan Stanchek 6-4, 300 (starter)

Jake Figner (Scout 2-star OL)

2005 Freshman Tackle Jake Figner 6-5, 285

2006 Sophomore Tackle Jake Figner 6-5, 290 (starter)

2007 Junior Tackle Jake Figner 6-5, 305 (starter)

 

 

 

 

leftrare

August 10th, 2010 at 5:19 PM ^

Sometime over the winter I tabulated the average weights of the defensive two deeps of two groups -- the top 20 defenses in the NCAA FBS and the bottom 20.  The average player on the good defenses weighed 233, vs. 222 on the bad defenses.  That 11 pound difference was uniform across the three levels -- DL, LB and DB.

Of course, It's not a major revelation that bigger football players tend to be better.  As Brian alluded toward the end of his comments, it may also be more that bigger players tend to be older players and so it's not just their size that makes them better players as much as their maturity and experience and their size.

Anyway, I had Michigan's 2009 two-deep average at 224 per man and I now have a plausible 2010 two-deep at 238.  That's a lot of additional weight which is a bit slanted by the addition of Will and the subtraction of BG.  Still, a big difference.

Re Ezeh and Mouton, could it be possible that their responsibilities will be much less ambiguous?  Get your big, reasonably fast body into gap X right now!

jvp123

August 10th, 2010 at 7:52 PM ^

I know that brian thinks that rich rod was talkin about will campbell when he talked about players that were out of shape but now i wonder if you was really talking about turner

bronxblue

August 10th, 2010 at 8:15 PM ^

I just realized that Tate and Denard are effectively the same size (Robinson - 6'/193 and Tate 6'/192), yet nobody ever seems worried about Denard getting injured while running the option.  Of course, Pat White was about the same size and flourished, so maybe not much to read into it.  I just thought Denard was going to be quite a bit heavier/bigger.

Beans

August 10th, 2010 at 10:20 PM ^

64 Christian Pace OL 6-2 259 FR
7 Devin Gardner QB 6-4 203 FR
33 Stephen Hopkins RB 6-0 236 FR
23 Austin White RB 6-0 196 FR
17 Jeremy Jackson WR 6-3 196 FR
82 Ricardo Miller WR 6-4 212 FR
83 Jerald Robinson WR 6-1 191 FR
68 Mike Martin DT 6-2 294 JR
42 J.B. Fitzgerald LB 6-3 239 JR
20 Michael Shaw RB 6-1 181 JR
9 Martavious Odoms SR 5-8 173 JR
86 Kevin Koger TE 6-4 251 JR
22 Darryl Stonum WR 6-2 193 JR
24 Al Backey CB 5-10 178 RS FR
2 J.T. Turner CB 6-2 197 RS FR
90 Anthony LaLota DE 6-4 263 RS FR
67 Nathan Brink DT 6-5 242 RS FR
46 Seth Broekhuizen K 6-1 192 RS FR
26 Isaiah Bell LB 6-1 237 RS FR
54 Jareth Glanda LS 6-3 246 RS FR
94 Curt Graman LS 6-5 191 RS FR
69 Erik Gunderson OL 6-8 295 RS FR
77 Taylor Lewan OL 6-8 283 RS FR
75 Michael Schofield OL 6-7 281 RS FR
76 Quinton Washington OL 6-4 307 RS FR
34 Brendan Gibbons PK 6-1 245 RS FR
93 Kris Pauloski PK 6-3 202 RS FR
14 Nader Furrha QB 5-11 175 RS FR
32 O'Neil Swanson RB 5-10 158 RS FR
28 Fitzgerald Toussaint RB 5-10 199 RS FR
4 Cameron Gordon S 6-3 208 RS FR
15 Thomas Gordon S 5-11 208 RS FR
10 Jeremy Gallon SR 5-8 171 RS FR
27 Jordan Owens SR 5-9 163 RS FR
85 Joe Reynolds WR 6-1 177 RS FR
17 Tony Anderson CB 5-11 193 RS JR
53 Ryan Van Bergen DE 6-6 280 RS JR
81 Steve Watson DE 6-4 257 RS JR
39 Will Heininger DT 6-6 271 RS JR
62 Dominique Ware DT 5-7 247 RS JR
49 John McColgan FB 6-1 238 RS JR
36 Rasheed Furrha LB 6-1 207 RS JR
58 Brandon Herron LB 6-2 220 RS JR
52 Kevin Leach LB 6-1 200 RS JR
91 Tom Pomarico LS 6-4 238 RS JR
61 Zac Ciullo OL 6-1 266 RS JR
72 Mark Huyge OL 6-6 305 RS JR
50 David Molk OL 6-2 270 RS JR
97 Scott Schrimscher PK 5-10 177 RS JR
19 Zac Johnson S 6-2 200 RS JR
21 Jordan Reilly S 5-10 180 RS JR
35 Karl Tech S 5-10 199 RS JR
31 Jared Van Slyke S 6-2 206 RS JR
40 Mike Williams S 5-11 190 RS JR
19 Kelvin Grady SR 5-10 167 RS JR
46 Jon Bills TE 6-3 238 RS JR
21 Junior Hemingway WR 6-1 227 RS JR
30 Doug Rogan WR 6-1 183 RS JR
12 J.T. Floyd CB 6-0 183 RS SO
68 Alex Schwab DT 6-0 235 RS SO
25 Kenny Demens LB 6-1 244 RS SO
59 Paul Gyarmati LB 6-1 205 RS SO
66 George Morales LS 6-0 227 RS SO
56 Ricky Barnum OL 6-3 282 RS SO
63 Rocko Khoury OL 6-4 291 RS SO
57 Elliott Mealer OL 6-5 310 RS SO
65 Patrick Omameh OL 6-4 293 RS SO
20 Jack Kennedy QB 5-11 189 RS SO
15 Michael Cox RB 6-0 210 RS SO
28 Matthew Cavanaugh S 5-10 183 RS SO
32 Jordan Kovacs S 6-0 200 RS SO
23 Floyd Simmons S 6-0 197 RS SO
10 Jordan Barpal SR 5-10 160 RS SO
8 Terrence Robinson SR 5-9 173 RS SO
12 Roy Roundtree SR 6-0 169 RS SO
88 Brandon Moore TE 6-5 260 RS SO
89 Patrick Collins WR 6-1 184 RS SO
73 William Campbell DT 6-5 324 SO
27 Mike Jones LB 6-2 207 SO
88 Craig Roh LB 6-5 249 SO
5 Tate Forcier QB 6-1 194 SO
16 Denard Robinson QB 6-0 188 SO
2 Vincent Smith RB 5-6 169 SO
5 Vladimir Emilien S 6-1 202 SO
7 Brandin Hawthorne S 6-0 202 SO
14 Teric Jones S 5-9 194 SO
6 Je'Ron Stokes WR 6-0 187 SO
18 James Rogers CB 6-1 191 SR
29 Troy Woolfolk CB 6-0 186 SR
99 Adam Patterson DE 6-3 272 SR
92 Greg Banks DT 6-4 274 SR
95 Renaldo Sagesse DT 6-4 285 SR
44 Mark Moundros FB 6-1 234 SR
45 Obi Ezeh LB 6-2 240 SR
8 Jonas Mouton LB 6-2 228 SR
79 Perry Dorrestein OL 6-7 305 SR
74 John Ferrara OL 6-4 283 SR
52 Stephen Schilling OL 6-5 303 SR
80 Martell Webb TE 6-4 257 SR

CarlisleWolverine

August 10th, 2010 at 10:27 PM ^

I can't figure it out.  Today"s College Football Live had Andre Ware state thathe only sees a Michigan 5 win season, maybe six.  He stated this immediately following a statement that college football needed a healthy Michigan Football Program.  It is my theory that pliling on only serves their (ESPN) own self interest. 

1.  UM fails and they say "We told you so",

or

2.  They are trying to set upas much drama to write about a UM comback, etc. etc. etc.  5 wins?  Really?  This is NOT the same team we have seen for 2 years.

GunnersApe

August 11th, 2010 at 7:59 AM ^

I saw that too, he said he could only see five wins one the schedule.  In my opinion he was talking out of his ass. I assume he was making a snap judgment off of comparing last year’s records and rankings with no research.  

stillMichigan

August 11th, 2010 at 9:19 PM ^

Obi gaining 10lbs can't be a good thing can it? Since spring?  No way that's good weight. 10lbs of muscle? Don't think so. Hope I'm wrong but we need him bad this year and the weight gain is not a good sign.