Fall Roster Overanalysis 2013! Comment Count

Brian

The phonebooks are here! They have different numbers listed next to the players. And new numbers for new players. Things are really going to start happening to us now.

To the bat-table!

QUARTERBACK

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Devin Gardner   210 205 206 210 210   -5 1 4
Russell Bellomy     189 201 213 215     12 14

RUNNING BACK

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Fitzgerald Toussaint 185 200 195 203 200 200 15 -5 8 -3
Thomas Rawls     219 217 217 217     -2 0
Justice Hayes     176 183 190 192     7 9
Drake Johnson       203 212 213       10
Sione Houma       221 229 231       10
Joe Kerridge           238        
De'Veon Smith           224        
Derrick Green           240        
Wyatt Shallman           237        

WIDE RECEIVER

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Jeremy Gallon 165 180 185 186 187 184 15 5 1 -2
Drew Dileo   172 172 180 177 180   0 8 0
Amara Darboh       218 213 212       -6
Jehu Chesson       183 193 196       13
Dennis Norfleet       170 168 169       -1
Jaron Dukes           190        
Csont'e York           180        
Da'Mario Jones           192        

TIGHT END

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Jordan Paskorz     246 ? 251 255     ? 9
AJ Williams       282 265 265       -17
Devin Funchess       225 228 235       10
Jake Butt         231 237       0
Khalid Hill           258        

OFFENSIVE LINE

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Michael Schofield 268 293 299 302 303 304 25 6 3 2
Taylor Lewan 268 294 302 308 308 315 26 8 6 7
Chris Bryant     341 320 325 316     -21 -4
Jack Miller     263 287 291 290     24 3
Blake Bars       282 284 291       9
Ben Braden       299 314 318       19
Kyle Kalis       292 297 302       10
Erik Magnuson       290 286 285       -5
Kyle Bosch         307 302        
Logan Tuley-Tillman         285 300        
David Dawson           297        
Graham Glasgow           303        
Dan Samuelson           283        
Patrick Kugler           287        
Chris Fox           338        

DEFENSIVE LINE

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Quinton Washington 325 315 302 299 305 301 -10 -13 -3 2
Jibreel Black   265 260 276 276 278 N/A -5 16 2
Richard Ash   320 301 301 316 314 N/A -19 0 13
Frank Clark     228 260 277 277     32 17
Keith Heitzman     251 ? 277 280     ? 26
Matt Godin       270 277 280       10
Willie Henry       302 306 306       4
Ondre Pipkins       337 308 315       -22
Tom Strobel       250 262 265       15
Chris Wormley       268 290 289       21
Mario Ojemudia       223 244 250       27
Taco Charlton         265 270        
Maurice Hurst           270        

LINEBACKER

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Cameron Gordon 208 207 222 235 233 237 -1 15 13 2
Mike Jones 203 208 224 ? 223   5 16 ? -1
Jake Ryan   225 230 242 241 240 N/A 5 12 -2
Brennen Beyer     225 252 254 250     27 -2
Desmond Morgan     220 230 227 228     10 -2
Allen Gant       196 203 212       16
Royce Jenkins-Stone       206 215 225       19
James Ross       225 223 220       -5
Joe Bolden       230 222 225       -5
Ben Gedeon           236        
Mike McCray           237        

CORNERBACK

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Courtney Avery   174 173 173 174 175   -1 0 2
Raymon Taylor     169 183 186 183     14 0
Delonte Hollowell     164 177 175 180     13 3
Blake Countess     176 182 181 182     6 0
Terry Richardson       154 162 167       13
Ross Douglas         176 176        
Jourdan Lewis           170        
Channing Stribling           171        
Reon Dawson           170        

SAFETY

Player 2009 2010 2011 2012 Spring 2013 Fall 2013 09 to 10 10 to 11 11 to 12 12 to 13
Josh Furman   208 208 204 197 202   0 -4 -2
Thomas Gordon 205 205 208 209 208 208 0 3 1 -1
Jarrod Wilson       190 196 200       10
Jeremy Clark       191 201 205       14
Dymonte Thomas         187 190       0
Delano Hill           205        

REMEMBER THE NUMBER ONE RULE OF FALL ROSTER OVERANALYSIS: All weight gain or loss is good.

Now, ITEMS OF INTEREST!

Man we recruited some skinny corners. Terry Richardson is still scrambling to get up to 170 pounds, and while he's five pounds heavier than he was when he was a tiny tiny person in the spring game, you should take Terry Richardson and stretch him out a half-foot taller to get an idea of how thick Channing Stribling and Reon Dawson are. Jourdan Lewis isn't quite as extreme, but he has an inch or two on Richardson and just three pounds. Here are your redshirts, gentlemen.

On the other hand, Delano Hill comes in at the same 205 Thomas Gordon did and will probably stay within three pounds of that number for the duration of his career. Let's stop recruiting anyone from Cass Tech who's not a safety, but continue recruiting safeties.

Chris Fox is alarmingly big. 338 is not so good. Knee surgery is obviously a downer for fitness levels, but I'd be surprised if he was ready to compete for a starting job next year. He'll probably need two to round into shape.

Meanwhile in injured linemen who get too heavy, Chris Bryant is down about ten pounds from spring, which will help him see the field. Kalis and Braden are on the slow and steady gain track that generally indicates you're physically ready to see the field; would like to see Magnuson get into the 300 pound range; not sure what to make of LTT's additional 15 pounds from spring. Good or bad?

Just going by weights, if a freshman has to see the field it'll be Bosch or Kugler.

Derrick Green is 240. Would we like him to be 230 or 235 maybe? We'll have to wait until he shows something on the field to know. Shallman's actually three pounds lighter; Smith comes in at 224. The rest of the tailbacks are almost pound for pound where they were in spring.

Chesson continues to add weight. Up three from spring to 196; gain slowing down but still going. No other receivers changed significantly.

Funchess put some pounds on. Funchess is now up to 235, vaguely plausible as a blocker. Butt's already bigger, and Khalid Hill is a load at 258. That seems too big to me, but I did compare the guy to Lutzenkirchen, who was exactly that weight. Meanwhile AJ Williams is static at 265 after playing at 282 as a freshman.

The defensive line is growing slowly. No big move from Black, who adds two pounds to just pip Frank Clark in the race to not be the smallest starter on the defensive line. Eveyone else adds a few pounds; Ojemudia is up to 250 after starting last year at 223; Maurice Hurst comes in way more svelte than he was as a recruit at 270. They'll be putting weight on instead of taking it off.

Meanwhile, Pipkins is moving back up after dropping nearly 30 pounds last year.

James Ross lost weight. Merph. Desmond Morgan did too, but Morgan brings the heat on tackles and could stand to be a little more athletic. Ross had a bit of trouble getting big backs down last year and lost five pounds. In fact the only significant weight gains in the LB corps came from Allen Gant, who moved down from safety and is a very small SAM at 212, and Royce Jenkins-Stone, who added about 20 pounds from last year to actually surpass Ross.

Man we brought in some big linebackers. If Ben Gedeon is really 6'3", 236, and running 4.6 40s while lifting a billion pounds, Joe Bolden is going to have a fierce challenge as early as this year. After all the kerfuffle about McCray's weight, he checks in at a SAM-like 6'4", 237.

This has been Fall Roster Overanalysis. I hope you enjoyed it.

Comments

1989 UM GRAD

August 6th, 2013 at 1:07 PM ^

Is Heiko in charge of asking if the extra 20 lbs on Green is good weight or bad weight? Or do we just assume its good weight because this is what we do here?

Six Zero

August 6th, 2013 at 1:34 PM ^

You're that guy who stands in the cereal aisle holding 3 and 4 boxes at a time studying their nutritional value, aren't ya?
Stay away from the math, son. That stuff'll kill you.

RITWolverine

August 6th, 2013 at 1:40 PM ^

Just wondering if you could quantify what 300 rage is? Are we talking Hulk levels yet? I know we've been getting linemen with a nasty streak, but that still seems a bit high for Magnuson to be aiming.

In reply to by MichiganMan14

ken725

August 6th, 2013 at 1:49 PM ^

Poggi is 6-4, 260.

I'm guessing the coaches want him a bit bigger regardless of where he plays.

Most of our DTs are around 300, except for Black who is at 278.

GreatBamBeno

August 6th, 2013 at 1:45 PM ^

Shane Morris is listed at 201, so no surprise there.  Henry Poggi (also not listed above) checks in at only 260, so his chances of redshirting have gone from likely to almost certain.

Heiko

August 6th, 2013 at 2:13 PM ^

The interior D-line is pretty stacked, so if Poggi plays it will be at SDE. I don't think he practiced yesterday but I'll ask about him in the coming weeks.

WolvinLA2

August 6th, 2013 at 2:38 PM ^

He seems to me like an RVB-type who could rotate between both spots, depending on down and distance or who needs a breather. Considering we have more guys at the 3-tech it seems, I'd like to see him start out at SDE, unless two other guys really emerge at that spot. Right now everyone there is a near-total unknown.

JeepinBen

August 6th, 2013 at 2:42 PM ^

Coming off an ACL injury carrying a lot of weight. I'm not saying he got fat, but if all he could do was lift upper body and rehab, he's got a very different body than he did pre-injury.

If he can be effective at about 6'6" and 290... well..... Julius Peppers anyone?

WolvinLA2

August 6th, 2013 at 2:46 PM ^

Well, Wormley is only 6'4", but speaking of Julius Peppers - holy Taco! 6'6" 270 as a freshman. He might not be a weak side end for too long, especially if he puts on any more weight. But if he gets hai technique down, his size/athleticism combo would make for a dirty strongside end. We could certainly rush 4 then.

boliver46

August 6th, 2013 at 2:37 PM ^

One name missing from the Fall Hype Machine (FHM - Trademarked!) is David Dawson.  Is he such a lock to Redshirt?  He just always seemed to be highlighted as "college-ready" IIRC - seems incongruous with scouting reports that he would seem to just disappear this fall.

Don't get me wrong - I like being able to stockpile talen - but just surprised there hasn't been much buzz about Dawson like we've seen from other incoming recruits.

reshp1

August 6th, 2013 at 3:17 PM ^

I think the assumption is that OL players all redshirt. Even with the need last year and Kalis being billed as college ready, at least physically, he still redshirted. Hopefully Kalis and Braden are an upgrade and Dawson doesn't seem as ready as Kalis was last year, so I would be shocked if he didn't redshirt.

boliver46

August 6th, 2013 at 3:30 PM ^

maybe more will come out of Fall camp - but I just remember there being "buzz" about last year's OL freshman - how they looked physically and early returns once on campus.

He just had a ton of hype it seemed last year and now nada.  I was eager to see how he fit into the longer term plans - but even recent projections seem to have him on the outside looking in.

Butterfield

August 6th, 2013 at 3:12 PM ^

I remember Magnus saying that a freshman who was 240 would never play running back but rather be a fullback or hback specialist. How funny that Green, and not Shallman, would now be minimized in Magnus' offense. That crazy Magnus, a genius in his own mind.

Butterfield

August 6th, 2013 at 7:06 PM ^

4 inches, sorry - saw Green listed as 6'0" somewhere, but obviously not on the official roster.  But I asked Magnus way back when that specific question - are a few extra inches in height the difference maker? - and he insisted it wasn't, it was other things (that were keeping Shallman from being a HB).  But then he said it wasn't the weight either.  So it must just have been athletic ability/measurables.  But then he said it wasn't the measurables.  So who the f knows. 

This has gotten off track - My point is Magnus talks in circles and he's not to be taken seriously. 

Magnus

August 7th, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^

If you want to say that I talk in circles, why don't you talk about how you make things up to try to take shots at me?

When you asked me that question, I believe that I said it was a combination of things. You're right that it's not JUST his height. It's also not JUST his weight. It's also not JUST his athleticism. Combine all of those things...and you've got a pretty good argument about him becoming a feature back.

I guess time will tell.