Sounds like if Kalis wasnt injured we would have Mags-glaslow-miller-kalis-braden. Kinda makes me sad that for first game suspension and maybe 1 more game of kalis being injured we lose a redshirt for Cole.
fair point that
News bullets and other items:
"Thanks for coming. We had a good scrimmage yesterday. Got about 140 plays in. It was about 55 for the ones and twos and about 35 for the threes so it was good. We got a lot of work and a lot of different situations of football, I think, that are important. Really thought that we had a lot of energy. Liked how they approached playing in the Big House. Today we did a lot of trying to – some of those guys, because of GPS and all the tracking, played a game and a half, you know, yesterday. We took today – did a lot of walk-throughs, a lot of meetings, a lot of film done, a lot of teaching from that perspective. Think we're in good shape right now. Held a couple guys out: Kalis we held out, Funchess we held out– gosh, I've got to remember who all we held out. Delano Hill, even though he's coming back right now, with no contact status. He's doing more drill work. And then Drake Harris and Jake Butt but everybody else participated, everybody else got a number of plays so was good for evaluations and, you know, you look at those decisions and you see where you're at and, again, Saturday night obviously we're going to go out again. Obviously probably not the same kind of play count but it will be probably 30-30-20 if you look at it which will end up being 40-40-25 most likely. But to get out and play under the lights a little bit will be a good experience for our guys to be with people there. The one thing that we've really talked about a lot of keeping stress on the players. Because there's some youth in there in a few positions, but just overall because of the mechanics of the offense, the mechanics of the defense, the communication process that we need to make sure we have on every play."
You say you wanted to keep stress on them. What kind of stress?
"Well, you know, I think that's a good question because you can do it with crowd noise, music, making where they've really got to focus in and lock in that they're hearing the calls from the guy next to them. I think in the different situations, you know- you put an offense in third-and-10, third-and-8, there's some stress there to pick up first downs and you put a defense in a situation where you're going heavy fronts, half yard line you put some stress on them that way so that's a lot of it, tempo's a lot of it. You know, I don't know which day it was. What day's today? Today's Thursday? It was Tuesday we wanted to get a little tempo for both sides of it. We were going to run what we call racks of 4-4-4 for each group and ended up instead of 12 plays it was a 44 play segment because we wanted to keep the stress on them and the tempo, Get them tired. See how they play tired, see how they think at the same time we had music – we were in Glick that day and in Glick the music can be pretty loud."
Couple things. Drake Harris- how concerned are you about that injury now at this point?
"Well, you know, obviously would like to have back. Obviously it's going probably longer than he wants and we want. I think he's getting closer to getting back out on the field we just have to keep working through it, rehabbing through it. It's not the same hamstring that he heard before and what happens with guys – and this is some of the data that I think is pretty interesting. We're getting in to GPS monitoring and what all that does and believe me, I'm not the expert. There's guys, Aaron Wellman's one of those...how much is a guy, from a symmetry standpoint, pushing off one leg than the other? Monitors all that and guys like Jake Butt, you know, he's using his other leg a lot more than he is but those numbers are coming down where he's getting a little more balance which is part of good news for him and for us. So I think for Drake's case, because he had the one, I think fatigue and some of those things because kids want to compete and that's the thing you love- that part of it and how it effects the other one."
And could you talk about how the defensive line's coming together?
"Yeah. I think as a group they're coming together pretty good. I think this thing that we're looking for, you know, because we've got- Frank has had a good fall camp, Brennen Beyer's had a real good fall camp, inside I think Willie Henry and Chris Wormley have had good fall camps. I think Matt Godin's a good player, then Willie Henry, Bryan Mone, Ryan Glasgow and [Maurice] Hurst have all- they're competing like heck out there, which is great. What I'm really looking for is some separation. You know, they're all talented and have some attributes that are all positive but we've got to look for a little more separation."
You mentioned Delano Hill coming back and participating in some drills. How close is he to participating in contact drills and how is the competition going at safety until he gets back?
"Well, I think that Dymonte Thomas has been competing with Jarrod [Wilson] and Jeremy Clark. I would say when Delano gets back that's another talented athlete that we'll be excited about. How much longer? You know, it could be three weeks, it could be two weeks. I can't really tell you. That's a doctor's deal and, you know, I think we're happy with where he is right now as far as the recovery and how the surgery went and all that but we'll see."
[After THE JUMP: piecing together an offensive line and the competition at linebacker and corner]
You said earlier today that Ben Braden's in a good spot at right tackle. Do you have anybody else in position to start or close to winning a job at this point?
"Well, I think Ben, like I said- I think Ben has really come along this fall. It's kind of all clicked for him and that's really exciting. I think Jack has had a really productive fall camp, Jack Miller, at center. I think the guard positions, Magnuson has been really playing a lot at left. He is a guy we're working more at left and Mason [Cole] at left tackle to be honest with you right now. They'll slip once in a while [and] Davd Dawson will come in. You know, Kyle Bosch. I think Graham [Glasgow] we're going to miss for the first game but he's had a good fall so far."
So if you went into it today would Mason [Cole] and Erik [Magnuson] be the left side of the line? Mason at tackle and Erik at guard?
"I would say yeah. That's how we'd go into it."
Mason- you've talked about him being different. What exactly has he done to earn it?
"Consistent. Every day comes out. Smart. Ends well."
Physically he's ready for that?
"Well, I think he's more ready than, you know, most freshmen are."
When you talk about looking for that separation on the defensive line, is that something that if it goes into the season so be it or would that be kind of alarming if it's not kind of settled?
"Well, I don't think anything's alarming, I think we've got some really quality, good guys from the standpoint of the skill sets that they have. I think we'd just like to see somebody separate from the rest of the group."
What's wrong with [Kyle] Kalis?
"He's just got a little bit of a back [injury]."
It's not long-term?
"Shouldn't be. In fact, the last two days we've just kind of taken it, you know, easy with him. He was having a pretty good camp when we stated and we'd love to get him back."
Linebackers- James Ross and [Desmond] Morgan obviously have a lot of experience so is this a situation where they have a lead on other guys or are those positions still wide open?
"I would tell you that James is really- him and Royce Jenkins-Stone, and that's a tribute I think a lot to Royce, Royce had a very good spring coming out of spring. James Ross recognized that and has played very well so far this fall, so they're competing and it's a really good competition. I think Desmond, Joe Bolden and Jake [Ryan] inside and Ben Gedeon, Mike McCray- Mike McCray really had a good scrimmage in a lot of things he did yesterday afternoon so you look at the three guys who have a lot of experience, all three of them may not be your starters."
Is Jake in there?
"Well, I think Jake's probably as solid as anybody."
How did you think the running game went yesterday in the scrimmage?
"Pretty good at times. Really pretty good at times. Overall, we started a little slow offensively but then I thought we started putting things together. You know, I was pleased with the protection because Greg [Mattison] gave them some five man, six man things. Excited about some of the running game and how guys- you know, I think Drake Johnson showed what he's made of, which is real positive. Derrick [Green] had a good day when you look at his numbers and DeVeon-DeVeon probably started slower than we would've liked. He's such a prideful guy and a tough guy that it bothered him so he went out to prove something."
Do you know how many fans have registered for the Saturday practice?
Is there one thing you would identify that you really want to accomplish in that practice?
"Yeah. I want us to play well, number one. I want us to handle the environment because for some of those guys, let's revert back to Mason Cole, this will be a little bit different environment. We're going to put as much stress on them as we can. So, the execution, the communication, the physicalness with which we play. That's what we'll be looking for."
Can you talk about the progress of the corners in the past week, since we asked you on Sunday?
"Yeah. I think the one thing is Ray [Taylor] has been pretty solid for us. I think Blake [Countess] has come back from a little bit of a groin [injury] he had early in camp and [is] making progress. Jourdan Lewis is still showing up every time. Jabrill [Peppers] at the nickel has done a nice job and so has Delonte Hollowell so when you look at it, we, uh- Jabrill moved out to some corner today. He's kind of got his feet wet and knowing what's going on at the nickel position and [Channing] Stribling's improved. I think all of them have really improved from a fundamental standpoint so it's competitive."
If Kalis was healthy, I mean, you had Glasgow in there, would he be...
"From the point that we were before he got hurt yeah, there's no question."
So Glasgow or Miller at center then?
"It could [be]. I can't play them both."
Well, I know, but which one has the edge there?
"Right now Jack Miller does."
With Cole you've mentioned several times it's his high school program you have to credit. What is so different about his high school preparation?
"I'll- heh. You want me to go back and talk about his high school coach or why he's ahead?"
Why is he ahead?
"I think as much as anything I still think it's the person inside. He's smart, he works really hard, he doesn't back down from anything or anybody."
You guys made a point about freshmen linemen, though, being-
"Right. There's no question, believe me."
...you need a redshirt year.
"Well, who knows what will happen. You ask me today, yeah, he would start. Now, we're not at August 30th yet."
So can I ask you when you're going to vote on captains?
"We've got a lot of great leaders on this team."
So you're not going to vote on captains?
That's not a possibility.
"It's always a possibility."
Sounds like if Kalis wasnt injured we would have Mags-glaslow-miller-kalis-braden. Kinda makes me sad that for first game suspension and maybe 1 more game of kalis being injured we lose a redshirt for Cole.
Gelling is crucial.
No. It actually sounds like Cole - Mags - Miller - Kalis - Braden.
Cole at LT is happening. Stop trying to force it not to.
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd be shocked if Glasgow doesn't take one of the guard spots when he comes back from suspension. That either bumps Mags out to LT or he sits. My money is he bumps Cole as LT and Cole is the first off the bench for both tackle spots.
I feel most of us (myself included) are assuming that Mags is at least solid at LT so if the guards are set with kalis/glasgow Mags can be at LT and we can redshirt cole.
But if Mags best spot is guard instead of tackle that all goes out the window, or even if Cole is just straight better or if Mags at LT w/ Bosch/whoever at LG is worse than Cole/Mags on the left side. last season it was assumed Mags would take over after lewan left so people are sticking with that baseline
the redshirt part of your first scenario doesn't apply. I think the safest assumption to make is performance while Kalis is out will go a long ways to determining the lineup when he comes back. That's assuming that he has to miss some games, perhaps not a certainty.
Everything coming out of the Fort seems to be pointing to the Mags at LG, Braden at RT. That pretty much only leaves Cole for LT and no one else who has been mentioned.
That being said, I agree with your hopes. Regardless of Cole staying at LT, I would be utterly shocked if Glasgow doesn't start Game 2 and beyond. He was our best interior lineman last year. And it wasn't close.
Who knows though. Hoke could be just using his statements as motivational tactics and none of what he said is true. For all we know Glasgow is your LT after game one, and it's going to go Glasgow - Mags - Miller - Kalis - Braden.
Although, Lewan tweeted at Mags saying he was going to be a great Tackle at Michigan. So maybe the Mags at LG thing is a smokescreen.
Isn't OL uncertainty fun? I mean, what would we talk about if we knew who was starting?!
Im with you. I think Glasgow comes back and takes one of the guard spots and puts Mags out to LT. It's not that I don't have faith in Mason Cole, I just think the best 5 linemen when all are healthy and not suspended is likely LT-Mags-LG-Kalis-C-Miller-RG-Glasgow-RT-Braden. I'm going to wait for the ND game before I make another judgement on the line. At this point it's just a ton of speculation that continues 95 times a day.
Someone noted this in an earlier thread -- if Cole's as good as they're saying, he's one of your top 6-8 guys on the OL, and would almost certainly play at some point this year even if Kalis was injury-free now and Glasgow wasn't suspended for game one.
I didn't read into it that Cole wouldn't be in the starting five if Kalis was in. I was thinking that Glaslow would be out (as Miller is ahead of him at center) and Kalis would be in at guard.
I am pumped up about the line. If Braden and Kalis are playing up to their potential and Mags can hold down left guard because we found something extraordinary in Cole then we are going to have a very good season. That leaves Glasgow working his tail off to make it back to starting center. I am fired up right now.
If Kalis wasn't injured, it could alternatively be:
Cole, Mags, Glasgow, Kalis, Braden.
That is what I had been hoping for, but . . . . Not going to happen with Kalis' back. And I'm afraid he was having some trouble with it last season, too.
Wow. Real, substantive answers from Hoke. We must be getting close to the season now!
If you watch the video, he seems downright eager to brag about his team. Hopefully it's genuine.
when he's stonewalling, so you figure he's hiding good things instead of bad.
I know my worries are probably all for naught, but I am concerned about Drake Harris and the nagging hamstring issues.
Hammy injuries are awful to come back from and he lost weight this summer. Unless they bring him back mid season to run a few fly patterns with his size n speed.
This sentence: "I think Ben has really come along this fall. It's kind of all clicked for him and that's really exciting." makes me optimistic. I may not be remembering correctly, but I feel like the coaches weren't saying things like that the last couple of years, especially about the Offensive Line. Instead it was position switching a few days before the opender (Mealer/Barnum).
Kinda the same thing with Peppers mastering the Nickle and moving on to Corner because he can. For whatever reason, it sounds like players are "getting it" more this year. Again maybe I'm just looking at the world through "August" colored glasses.
And this sentence regarding whether Kalis would be starting: "From the point that we were before he got hurt yeah, there's no question." Seems like he has had that breakthrough everyone has been waiting for. Now on to Bosch...
That'll happen (the light coming on for young players) when we have an OC that is more focused on executing fundamentals than another OC that ought to be a college professor somewhere, poring in darkened, stuffy auditorium rooms over powerpoint slide presentations.
FWIW, they made a pretty big deal about Kalis clicking as well last spring. In fact, I'm pretty sure they used the same words.
But who will be captains?!?
Your avatar fits well with the FREAKOUT line.
I wonder how good Frank Clark is really going to be. I think some people have an expectation that he's going to be a game-changing player, and I think he has the potential for that, but I really wonder if he will be that kind of guy. If he's on a spectrum between Craig Roh (steady, solid performer who did his job and not much else) and Brandon Graham (game-changing, dominant player), I think his performance is going to be end up being closer to Roh than Graham...which, based on some of the comments I've read, would be a disappointment to some.
The Michigan Drill video (Countdown to Kickoff Day 21) is an interesting look into his abilities. He absolutely explodes Braden back 2 yards in one matchup, and gets easily handled by Williams in another. I think for Big 10 media days, anonymous opposing players/coaches said he is one of the best DEs for about 6-7 plays a game; the rest of the time, he's just kind of there.
That's the nature of that position though. You're generally going up against guys bigger and stronger than you, but you use your speed and quickness to your advantage. WDE either make tackles look silly or they plow into a brick wall, depending on how well the tackle reacts to them on any given play.
Story of my high school career as a WDE.
Would take Roh or Graham type contribution. But Frank Clark is not a Roh type guy. They actually play 2 different positions. Roh sealed the edge, while Clark is more of a prototypical Rush End. Naturally, Clark should have more "game changing" plays throughout the season than Roh ever did. I just don't think Clark will have a Brandon Graham year. But that is a lofty goal to live up to. Just take a step forward from last year, and I will be pleased. Even if it shows up more in the UFR and not on the stat sheet.
Roh's last season, while not flashy, was very respectable IMO. His contributions to the team that year were a lot closer to RVB type numbers than most would probably admit to themselves.
is the first thing I think of anytime someone mentions Brandon Graham. ...I could watch that all day.
May God have mercy on the souls of opposing offenses if Frank Clark finishes turning the corner he started late last fall.
If Pipkins, Henry, Hurst, and Mone can demand double teams in the middle and keep the linebackers clean, and Clark can come off the edge like that .... giggle.
Absolutely. I didn't mean that as a knock against Roh, or saying that Roh-level production would be bad. And I know they play different positions, but I think some people, based on Clark's size, athleticism, and media hype, are expecting a Graham-type player. With that expectation, Roh-level production would be a disappointment.
case that he is probably a very good lineman and not gaining his spot by default.
I'm telling you....looking back in the future .itll be Cole who is recognized as our current best OL. hes a bad Mofo like Everitt. we need another four of them.
Kalis would be starting, Green is performing well, Cole actually sounds like a pretty good player, and not just the best of a bunch of bad options.
It seems that a lit of the general freaking out around here has been for nothing.
No mention of Pipkins on the DL? Meaningful omission, or just an oversight? I thought I had read that he was having a good camp.
It's hard for a coach sometimes to remember who he's already mentioned when you're talking about so many guys -- if you watch the video, you'll notice Hoke even mentions Willie Henry twice in that answer.
Count me extremely excited about the DL. Pip, Henry, Wormley, Hurst, Mone, even Glasgow -- that's some darn good talent, size, and most importantly, depth in the tackle spots. The end spots should be at least very solid, too -- and if Clark, Ojemudia, or Taco can be a difference-maker as a pass-rusher, we could be scary good.
I bet one of the Willie Henry mentions was supposed to be Pipkins. It'd be nice to know which one.
I desparately want him to succeed. He now has his horses and it is up to him and his staff to get the job done. No excuses. His players need to understand that as well.
Destined to red shirt anyways. This will give time to mature and bulk up.
(Meant as reply to Harris concern)
Shouldn't be a concern, unless you thought he was going to be a key contributor this year. Harris was already in need of time in the weight room, and the repeated hamstring injuries suggests he needs some dedicated attention to resolving muscular imbalances as well.
But with proper attention, neither should affect his long-term potential.
Someone help me see how this year's O line is going to be an improvement on the unit that... Let's just leave it as: ...an improvement over last year's O line? We all know how that unit was last year. Undersized, esp in the middle, and young, they got run over for much of the year, esp toward the end, and embarrassingly in the game against they in green & white who shall not be named (as opposed to they in grey & red who also shall not be named). Aren't we still undersized & overpowered and a year older in only some spots? We should expect little better, maybe 1 win, than last year, then? (IIRC: Schedule looks tougher too, in terms who home & away, right?) Someone help me get optimistic!