Man that dude has an awesome username
no, YOU'RE off topic
As caught by—prepare yourselves for a username—MGoUser "Every Roh Has Its Thorn," Redshirt freshman-to-be Kaleb Ringer has put an "FSU" in his twitter handle and adorned his page with that bulldog hockey fans know and no one else does. Usually this means the guy in question has left the team, though in this case Ringer does still have some Michigan stuff around.
The handle change from "Ring_RingUM" to "Ring_RingFSU" is pretty indicative, though. Further supporting data: his brother is at Ferris and he tweeted "big brah I'm on my way" recently. That could mean anything, sure. This not so much:
I put my internet sleuth hat on. I declare he's outie, as the kids said like ten years ago. I have taken the hat off. I feel bereft.
Ringer sat out last year with an undisclosed injury that I've heard was a knee issue. If that robbed him of some of his athleticism he may have chosen to keep playing instead of taking a medical scholarship. Whichever it was, I'd heard that there was a possibility he wouldn't make it to year two a while ago.
The on-field impact should mainly be felt on special teams. Ringer wasn't going to be on the two deep at ILB with Morgan, Bolden, Ross, and Jenkins-Stone ahead of him and probably wouldn't have gotten many snaps this year.
This does bring Michigan down to 85 even if they bring back suspended punter Will Hagerup. Hagerup recently said something on Facebook that suggested he'd learned he would be reinstated; it wouldn't surprise me if the two events were related. IE: Hagerup got booted down to walk-on and now has to get in line. Just speculation, that.
Michigan currently has 15 scholarships for their next recruiting class, and with normal rates of attrition should get to 18-20. Ringer is the first member of the 2012 class to leave; it stands at 24. Here's Ringer's recruiting post if you'd like to reminisce.
Man that dude has an awesome username
But, this is the start of the time of year when most transfers happen. Just reality.
It seemed like he got buried on the depth chart right away and that was with a lot of talent coming in in his class and the one behind his. Just seemed like I could see the writing on the wall for him. Good luck to you at FSU young sir
Dang Tony is bringing in quite the haul at FSU.
Good luck to the young man, but Michigan had to get to 85. It is always better to lose a young player who might not play, rather then an upperclassmen who won't play
"It is always better to lose a young player who might not play, rather then an upperclassmen who won't play"
Yes its pretty common knowledge, as of right now next season looks like 15 available scholarships, let's say Mike Jones leaves, now its 14 scholarships next season. Get it?
Cocaine's a hell of a drug.
Its a hard situation to explain
Does not compute?
It would be insidious if Ringer's departure was driven by the fact that Michigan was oversigned going into fall camp.
It's probably best not to start speculating why he left without any evidence, especially since it's not even certain yet that he has left.
The reason why or how doesn't really matter, the fact remains they got to 85
The difference between Michigan and, say, Alabama is that to us, it DOES matter how or why we get to 85.
So what would you do about it? nothing at all, so it does not matter
Are you drinking?
I would have to seriously reconsider my Michigan fandom if Hoke was found out to be Saban 2.0, like you are implying. Considering that literally every sign seems to point to that being completely untrue, I would say your "Ringer was booted off the team to make room for scholarships" theory is flat out false.
I never said Hoke made him leave, but it is a fact someone had to go
If you take off your U-M goggles for a minute, there is no denying that Hoke oversigned. The fact that we did eventually get down to 85, and had multiple options available to get there does not change anything. We had to eliminate 1 scholarship player, be it a 5th year senior, a punter who has been in trouble, a transfer, or a medical hardship. I honestly have no problem with it as long as it's only 1 spot. If it was 3 or 4 spots I would be upset but I can't think of an offseason in recent memory where we didnt lose at least 1 kid. Brian has always said that Alabama being over the limit is what caused transfers and medical hardships. It's hypocritical to say that our situation is different, and that our attrition would have happened anyway. it is what it is, at least our kids aren't admitting they took money on twitter or posting pics with stacks of cash.
It's asinine to think that the coaches didn't know about this before signing all of this year's class.
We got to 86 scholarships and it would have been easier for Hoke to just tell Hagerup to take a hike given his off the field problems. I think there is nothing to see here.
What, the "problem" that is legal in multiple states? Geez, what a society we live in right now where possessing and/or using a plant will get you more jail time than beating your wife. So what, he smoked a little. Frank Clark was arrested... if anyone he'd be worried (though big deal, he looks like he's going to be a very good player and it was a crappy laptop).
I agree with your assessment of the law, but that doesn't mean you get to break it and expect no consequences.
It would be insideous, but it may also be the truth. It might not be as flagerant as it is in the SEC, and I bet our staff of coaches are likely up front about playing time with these young men. That being said, the idea of 4 year scholarships at UM does not seem to be the case. So maybe we are somewhat less bad-guyish than LSU with our oversignign?
I'll just throw this out there but he might mean "fuck shit up." That's something the hip young kids like to say and they often put FSU just like that.
When I read it, I thought--Florida State? Really? And as I read on, the name Ferris State came up and it made more sense. I guess the bulldog was supposed to be a tip-off, but it was only confusing. Hope he has a nice career, but this doesn't surprise me.
The bulldog reference initially made me think of Fresno State, which would have been random, but best of luck to Kaleb regardless.
Best of luck to him. A number of BCS conference-->D2 transfers have ended up in the NFL after very productive careers at their second school. I will be rooting for Kaleb if this is true.
Hopefully everyone is parting ways on the best terms as possible. If injury recovery was the issue it must have sucked to have to tell Kaleb that while he was running around again, he wasn't recovered to the level of being a BCS starter and they'd have to give him a medical hardship.
In my mind, a medical hardship was designed for a player who is injured to the point that playing football again would be medically unsafe... NOT for a player who may have lost a step or two, but would otherwise still be "safe" to play. When I see players offered medical hardships going to play at other places, even if it is at a lower level of competition, that strikes me as an oversigning red flag. Should I be thinking otherwise?
Taking a medical hardship scholarship revokes the remaining eligibility a player has.
I think he means those players who are offered medical harships, but turn them down in order to go play for a smaller school
But do we ever hear about that? I feel like even in the crazy number of cases Alabama has there still aren't a whole lot of quotes out there, and I don't think any former player has actually said Saban offered them a medical hardship scholarship before going to play at UAB or whatever.
I don't know if he was offered a medical hardship by USC but Jarvis Jones comes to mind as a player who transferred because he wasn't going to play again for his school because the USC doctors were uncomfortable clearing him to play again.
We do. I don't remember the name(s) off the top of my head, but there have definitely been stories to this effect.
I think that's why he said offered. If BCS school offers me a medical scholorship, but I think I can still play, I'm going to reject their offer and transfer to somewhere that wants me and will let me play.
Not if a Michigan degree was more important to you than playing a few more years of college football. Which is the case for many of these guys, especially since the NFL is usually not an option anymore at this point.
don't think that way. They want PT and will transfer to get PT even if it's at D2 level. They still have NFL dreams. I know this from interacting with a few players on the team a few years ago. Some are starters and some are backups, but they had NFL aspiration.
I'd bet it's pretty split, with the biggest factor being age.
When these kids leave Michigan, they aren't just leaving a Michigan degree. They are leaving their friends, their girlfriend(s) their favorite restaurants, etc. Their whole comfort zone.
For a guy like Ringer who was only here a year, that's not as big of a deal, so I would imagine a lot of those guys transfer. It's a lot easier to still have NFL dreams when you've only lost one year. But for a guy who has been in the program for 2 or 3 years, it's a much different deal. Not only do they have more of the comfort zone I mentioned above, they have also seen starters, maybe multi-year starters, get cut from NFL rosters after a week and they start to at least think realistically about a back up plan if the NFL doesn't work out.
His point is that if a player is OFFERED a medical scholarship at school A but decides INSTEAD to transfer to school B and ends up playing there, it looks fishy.
Many others above mentioned more or less the same thing, but yes, this is what I was getting at. This may or may not even be relevant, since we don't know whether or not Ringer was even offered a medical hardship.
Yeah, I don't think it's all that fishy. Cutting players is fishy. But telling a player, "hey look, we really don't think you're good enough for this team, so you can transfer elsewhere, or if you'd like to stay at our school and not play football, we'll still cover your tuition." I can't get all that mad about that.
But I totally disagree with you here. If the doctors clear a guy to play, even if the player is likely not going to be 100% afterward, the school should be required to honor the scholarship and allow the player to remain on the team if the player wishes to do so.
I guess it just depends on what the schools really owe the guys they recruit. I think they owe them four years of scholarship, and everything else is gravy. If the player isn't good enough to be a member of the team, the team is not required to keep him on the squad, but has to uphold their end of the bargain and pay their tuition.
This is less strict than an academic scholarship. If you get an academic scholarship and you don't turn out to be a good student, your scholarship is pulled.
If a coaches were allowed to do the above, they should not get a reprieve from the scholarship cap. So, if they don't want the kid to suit up, fine, but his scholarship will continue to count against the cap. In this case, there really wouldn't be any downside to keeping the player on the team. I think there should be exceptions made in cases where a kid is injured to the point where playing football is clearly medically unsafe or not physically possible, but not for guys who just won't be good enough to start. Otherwise I think it offers too great of an incentive to kick a kid off the team.
Yeah, we just totally disagree on this then. I'm of the opinion that if a kid isn't good enough to be on the team, he shouldn't be able to be on the team. The program has the responsibility to uphold their end of the deal made during recruitment (tuition) but this isn't little league where every kid who signs up gets a spot.
What good does it do the team or the player if the coaches keep a kid around they have no intention of playing just because they have to?
I see it like an employee under contract, like an NBA coach because most people know about that. If the coach turns out to be no good, the team can keep him or let him go, but either way they have to pay him what they agreed to. That coach can then sit at home and collect his pay, or go coach somewhere else if he can.
Ringer had the same options. He could either collect his pay (complete his degree for free) or coach somewhere else (transfer).
but that completely undermines the entire premise of having a scholarship cap. It's also a point that in the past has been used to distinguish between UM and oh, maybe Alabama or LSU. If (and we don't know) it is what's going on, you have to admit we're playing for keeps now.
I don't think it does at all. You get to have 85 guys on scholarship on your football team. Once you get medicaled, you're done as a football player.
Personally, I have no moral qualms with how Alabama uses the medical hardship waiver. Now, the coach of a potential recruit might have an issue with it, so from a PR standpoint it's beneficial not to over use it, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it ethically. This is because I feel the free education is the part you're entitled to as a recruit, not the spot on the team. I don't have a moral issue with a coach saying "Sorry kid, all you have is this free education."
What I have a problem with is cutting players, or telling players after Signing Day that they have a spot when they don't. It's the "Sorry kid, we don't have a spot for you therefore we can't pay for you to be here so get out or pay your own way." That's not OK.